Box Score Recap – 8/25/2016

The GCL Phillies, one of the youngest teams in the GCL, opened up a 2.0 game lead over the Blue Jays with their second victory in as many days over the team with whom they are contesting the division.  They received stellar pitching from Kyle Young, Jordan Kurokawa, Oskerlly Sanchez, and Tyler Frohwirth coupled with timely hitting from Mickey Moniak, Lenin Rodriguez, Jose Antequera, Nerluis Martinez, and Danny Zardon.  Total team effort.

Phil Klein pitched Lehigh Valley to an imporatnt win.  John Richy pitched Reading to a much needed win.  As did Elniery Garcia for Clearwater.

Alberto Tirado pitched the rampaging BlueClaws to another win as they remain atop their division.

Cole Irvin rounded out the role call of starters who pitched well.  Shoddy defense cost the Cutters 2 unearned runs.

Lehigh Valley (78-54)  Beat Pawtucket, 6-1.  Phil Klein (4-1, 1.72) pitched 7.2 innings allowing 1 run on 5 hits and 1 walk while striking out seven.  The IronPigs hit 4 home runs – Darin Ruf (20), Cody Asche (4), Brock Stassi (12), and Logan Moore (4).  Ruf had 3 hits, J.P. Crawford and Moore had two.  Moore and Asche had 2 RBI each.

  • #1 Crawford (.256)  went 2-5
  • #3 Williams (.265)  went 0-5
  • #5 Thompson (11-5, 2.29) – promoted to Philadelphia.
  • #11 Appel – DL, season-ending surgery to remove a bone spur.
  • #12 Knapp (.259)  DNP
  • #18 Pivetta  DNP
  • #24 Lively (9-5, 3.29)  DNP
  • #28 Ramos (0.38) – promoted to Philadelphia.

Reading (83-47)  Beat New Hampshire, 6-1.  John Richy (4-3, 4.63) pitched 8.0 innings allowing one run on 4 hits.  He walked NONE and struck out four.  Roman Quinn had 3 hits, a home run (6), and two RBI.  KC Serna had 2 hits and an RBI.

  • #4 Alfaro (.279)  went 1-4 with an RBI (61)
  • #7 Cozens (.282)  went 0-4
  • #8 Quinn (.284)  went 3-5 with a double, HR (6), and R2 BI (23)
  • #13 Hoskins (.278)  went 1-3 with a BB
  • #14 Kingery (.257)  DNP
  • #16 Pinto – (5-6, 4.20)  DNP
  • #18 Pivetta – (11-6, 3.41) – promoted to Lehigh Valley
  • #19 Eshelman (4-3, 4.75) – DNP
  • #26 Cordero – (0-1, 3.48) – 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K

Clearwater (76-52)  Beat Brevard County, 5-2.  Elniery Garcia won his 11th game, pitching 7.0, three-hit innings.  He have up 2 runs (1 ER) and 1 walk.  He struck out seven.  Austin Davis (4.35) and Ulises Joaquin (2.72) each struck out two in one inning.  Joaquin earned his 9th save.

Malquin Canelo had 2 hits.  Aaron Brown drove in two, first inning runs on an RBI single.  The Threshers added 3 runs in the sixth on Kyle Martins RBI double (77) and Jiandido Tromps 2-run HR (8).

  • #20 Garcia (11-3, 2.85)  7.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K, 1 HR
  • #22 Canelo (.251)  went 2-3 with a double
  • #23 Tocci (.282)  went 1-4

Lakewood (66-63)  Beat Greensboro, 4-2.  Alberto Tirado struck out 11 in 5.0 innings.  He gave up 1 run on 3 hits and walked four.  Ismael Cabrera (3.71) struck out 5 in 2.0 innings.  Jacob Waguespack (3.46) and Sutter McLoughlin (2.38) struck out 2 batters each in their inning of work.  McLoughlin got his 11th save.

The BlueClaws unleashed a 12-hit attack on the Grasshoppers.  Mark Laird, Cornelius Randolph, Damek Tomscha, Grenny Cumana, and Emmanuel Marrero had 2 hits apiece.  Laird, Randolph, Tomscha, and Wilson Garcia each drove in a run.

  • #6 Randolph (.284)  went 2-4 with a triple, BB, and RBI (26)
  • #9 Kilome (4-8, 4.14)  DNP
  • #27 Pujols (.246)  went 0-4
  • #29 Edgar Garcia (4-1, 2.63)  DNP
  • #30 Tirado (5-1, 3.75) – 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 11 K, and a pickoff

Williamsport (33-30)  Lost to West Virginia, 4-3.  Cole Irvin (2.04) pitched 5.0 innings and gave up 3 runs (1 ER) on 3 hits and 3 walks.  Julian Garcia (3.16) struck out 8 over the next 4.0 scoreless, 1-hit innings while the Crosscutters rallied to tie the game in the top of the ninth.  Will Hibbs (3-3, 1.08) gave up the game-winning hit in the bottom of the tenth.

Davis Martinelli had 2 hits and an RBI.  Luis Espiritu tied the game with a two-run double in the ninth.

  • #17 Medina (4-3, 2.91)  DNP
  • #25 Romero (2-1, 2.60)  DNP

GCL Phillies (40-14, .741)  Beat the GCL Blue Jays (37-15, .712), 7-2.  They have a 2.0 game lead with 6 games to play.  They have another home-and-home series to end the season.

Kyle Young (2.67) pitched four, three-hit innings.  He gave up two runs, walked one, and struck out three.  Jordan Kurokawa (1-3, 4.42) got the win with two, two-hit, scoreless innings.  Oskerlly Sanchez (5.14), Randy Alcantara (1.76), and Tyler Frohwirth (2.20) each pitched a hitless inning.  Sanchez and Frohwirth struck out two batters apiece.

Young’s fastball was 87-89 mph.  He has a nice easy rhythm.  More so than you would expect for a kid that young and tall.  He has to duck to pass through the openeing in the fence to get into the dugout.  Young gave up 2 runs in the first inning.  Then he and the bull pen shut out the Blue Jays for the next eight innings on 3 hits and a walk.

The Phillies amassed a 12-hit attack.  They broke through with 3 runs in the fourth to take the lead.  They tacked on 2 runs in the fifth and pulled away with 2 more in the ninth.  Mickey Moniak and Lenin Rodriguez had 3 hits apiece.  Jose Antequera had 2 hits.  Danny Zardon and Nerluis Martinez had 2 RBI each.

Moniak made solid contact in 4 of 5 at bats and came with 2 doubles and a triple.  His fly ball double down the left field line (the outfielder was shaded to far toward center) started the three-run rally in the fourth.  His triple drove in a run in the 2-run fifth, he scored later on Danny Zardon’s sacrifice fly.  And he led off the 2-run ninth with a double.

  • #2 Moniak (.289)  went 3-5 with 3 runs scored, 2 doubles, a triple, and RBI (28)
  • #10 Gowdy (0-1, 4.50)  DNP
  • #15 Stobbe (.259)  went 1-5
  • #21 Jhailyn Ortiz (.236)  DNP
  • Stephen (.267)  went 0-4 with a BB
  • Miller (0-0, 1.50) DNP
  • Andrew Brown (0-0, 2.75)  DNP
  • Stewart (2-2, 4.35)  DNP
  • Fanti (7-0, 1.51)  DNP
  • Sixto Sanchez (5-0, 0.50)

DSL Phillies (28-40)  Postponed, rain.

  • Jonathan Guzman (.295)
  • Keudy Bocio (.225)
  • Simon Muzziotti (.256)
  • Dixon Gutierrez (.257)

DSL Phillies2 (42-27)  Postponed, rain.

  • Leonel Aponte (2-4, 2.83)
  • Rafael Marchan (.339)

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings:

  • 8/25 – Phillies traded cash and C Carlos Ruiz to Los Angeles Dodgers for Player To Be Named Later, C A.J. Ellis, and RHP Tommy Bergjans.
  • Organization Rosters are up to date.

82 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/25/2016

  1. What’s the deal with Lenin? Stats look good although SSS. Was he a big money sign?

    Congrats to Alfaro on making the show!

    1. Yes he was a big money sign two years ago as I recall. I watched him in spring training last year, and again this year, and came away very impressed by his bat. I was surprised they decided not to place him on the GCL team last year. He’s in with a group of hitting catchers now though and has hit the ball great, as have some others.

    2. He was signed as a 17-year old in 2015 for $300K. Most of the catching duties this season have been split between Nerluis Martinez and Rodolfo Duran, both of whom look like exceptional defensive catchers with strong arms. Martinez is batting .253 and Duran .318.

      20-year old Martinez has seen time at first base the past few games. I think they are short-handed there. With Raul Rivas called up to the Threshers (with Green and Campbell on the DL), Zardon has been required to play third full time. Zardon had been getting some starts at first where Edwin Rodriguez and Caleb Eldridge had been platooning. But Eldridge hasn’t seen the field in weeks and E. Rodriguez has only played in 6 games this month. (the large roster they carry in the rookie leagues affords them the opportunity of NOT putting players on the DL).

  2. Alfaro will be called up toi Philly for a few games until Ellis gets into town. Bergjans is a 2015 8th round draft pick from Haverford College. He’s 23 and in A+. I guess he’ll go to CLW when he arrives. He’s already pitcher 130 innings and has 21 starts. He’s given up 138 hits but also has 133 Ks to 29 BBs. He’ll be a project who can throw a lot of innings. I’m not sure if we’ll see him this year unless he’s really needed.

    1. Will Alfaro get to start a game or just hanging out in the bullpen? Interesting move but I guess because Knapp isn’t on the 40-man roster.

    2. Why not bring up Logan Moore and let Ellis stay in LA as he wants to finish this year out and retire as a career Dodger. Grab some slot money in the inter market ilo for him.

    1. He’s known as a clubhouse guy. He can help all the young guys and hopefully Alfaro gets to sit next to him at some point. Bergjans is a project but also from Haverford College and who know who the PTBNL is. I like the trade because they got something back. We don’t know exactly what yet but we got something for Ruiz. I hope they told him that he has a job in the Phils organization after his playing days are over. They need to keep him in the family.

    2. Agree but Klentak was “adamant” that Ellis be included in the deal because of his leadership and clubhouse presence. Good thing is we’re stacked behind the plate, and Rupp becomes a serious trade piece by next year’s deadline (if not sooner) if they think Alfaro is ready come spring.

      1. I will guess that Klentak was not adamant that they get Ellis back, My guess is that Klentak was helping Friedman by taking Ellis back and leaking that he was adamant in obtaining him rather than Friedman being forced to DFA Ellis, a lifelong Dodger who is understood to be a good guy, by acquiring Ruiz. To be clear, I’m not saying Ellis wouldn’t have value, but Dodgers evidently viewed Ruiz as an upgrade over Ellis and given the injury issues they have, they likely need the extra 25-man and 40-man roster spot and can’t afford to have 2 backup catchers.

        1. Agreed. Why would Klentak possibly be adamant that Ellis was included on the deal? He’s a 37 year old back-up catcher hitting under .200.

          He was helping the Dodgers save face and not have to DFA a popular player in the clubhouse.

      2. 8mark,

        Was Klentak adamant or just saying he was adamant to get the Dodgers front office off the hook with their fans, who aren’t happy losing Ellis?

        In the great scheme of things, the Phillies don’t need Ellis’ clubhouse leadership for five weeks. I think this was just a favor to Chooch, and getting the local kid pitcher is a nice touch.

    3. Agree……MK should modify the deal today…..we have catchers in the system to bring up for these last six weeks….Alfaro, Knapp and even Logan Moore, What is so hard about that.

  3. Phil Klein is sitting in the cheap seats waving to be called up to Philly. He’s on the 40 man so I’m not against it. The pitching was excellent up and down the organization yesterday. I guess Invest 99-L is wreaking havoc on the DSL and soon it could impact the GCL and A+. Too far off to tell right now.

    Nick Williams is close to passing below Crawford in BA. He’s having one of the worst August’s I’ve seen in AAA in a while (.184/.193/.322). Nothing more to say or do here. He’s playing his way out of a ML call up. Damn, I said something.

    Austin Bossart (CLW) is playing every 4th or 5th day and is hitting .341/.375/.409. He’s hitting .480 in his last 10 games which date all the way back to July 20. I thought his defense was pretty darn good. Who’s playing in front of him, Johnny Bench. Oh, Numata is… never mind ( he says in his best Rosana Rosanadana voice).

    With Coppola and Tocci in the same lineup, opposing teams OF’er can play almost on the infield grass. Luckily Tromp and Aaron Brown can keep everyone on their toes.

    LKW has won 7 in a row and 9 of their last 10. They’ve had two 5+ games win streaks in August. It’s a great time to be peaking. I’m now eating (chomp, chomp, chomp) all my negative words on Tirado. I guess they were trying to move him too far too fast. Now he’s found his rhythm. Grenny Cumana, the pint size SS, is hitting the heck out of the ball lately. He’s 7 for his last 13 and he’s hitting .389 in his last 10 games. I don’t want a team filled with guys like him but I’ll take this one guy.

    Julian Garcia, this year’s 10th rounder, has given up 1 run in his last 14+ IP. He’s given up 11 hits and has 25 Ks and 8 BBs. He’s definitely a work in progress but I like those last 6 outings. As a team Wmsprt is tied for 9th in hitting in the league but is 3rd in team pitching. They could use a top of the order table setter and they aren’t getting it. If the pitching cracks at all, the team loses the game. Don’t worry, hang on help is on the way… next year.

    Moniak was like a wind up toy that had run down until yesterday. 2 dbls and a triple. I hope that continues. Lenin Rodriquez is 5 for his last 7 and hitting .458 in his last 10 games. The GCL team’s big problem this year is trying to find ABs for it’s 4 very good catchers: Rodriguez, Martinez, Duran and Garner. Nerluis played 1st yesterday as they try to get their bats in the lineup.

    1. Nick Williams’ brutal month of August continues – 0 for 5 with 4 strike-outs.

      In 23 games since July 30, Williams has a batting average of .170. He has walked ONE time in that period. In his last 11 games, Williams has three games with 4 strike-outs, and another four games with 2 strike-outs.

      He is in a serious funk.

  4. Great to see Mickey Mo bounce back with a good game, especially in a big game. All of our teams are playing for playoff spots and that is amazing. It’s also very good experience for them. Klentak has been very up front with the fact that he wants his players to get that experience over giving them late season promotions. I like that attitude. Let’s develop winning in the organization everywhere. Klein has certainly earned s few starts in Philly after his playoff run but so has Lively. I’m impressed by Ruf hitting 20 homers down there, also Tromp is up to 18. Nice turnarounds by both

    1. Ruf is the prefect man to make my point. You cant go by minor league stats, We know he cant hit major league pitching. Yet he is doing great in minors. He has 20 homeruns. How many of those were against guys who will be good major league pitchers.? Please show me that stat? I have for two years said you have to see the players to get a feel for them , Just looking at a guys stats and saying he is hitting 280 in minors with a 380 obp. Doesn’t mean he will be a good major league player, I told catch about two months ago after seeing Nick Williams I was on the fence about him. I saw a guy who I felt didn’t have the bat speed, scouts said. He had poor at bats. Didn’t look like he hit the breaking ball or recognize it fast enough. but I only saw him three or four times. That’s why I am on the fence. But unless he improves his approach, I don’t see this great player. Even looking at nola, I told my man romus, I was concerned with him because of his lost of velocity, and he was going good then, I wont get into velocity, but a large percentage of right handers need it to be good starters in this league. So point is you need to see players and look at how they hit and field to get a good read on them. If major league teams only went by stats. Why do they send there scouts to see a Alfaro play or Williams. They could save the travel and just look at his stats.

    2. Yesterday, someone put up a post suggesting that Mickey Mo is a bust. Of course, this comes just weeks after another group of posters insisted that he must be promoted immediately. It’s like sports radio around here sometimes.

      1. LOL.
        Check out philly.com and you will see more of the same.
        Posters want to keep Freddy at ss and move a 21-year old like JPC….because he will never be a Seager/Lindor/Bogaerts clone!

        1. Romus who the hell said that? The kid can field, and is the future of the team. Freddy just doesn’t hit enough, to be a everyday player.

        2. agreed!

          there’s one article on philly.com about how hernandez and galvis are fighting for the same spot next year and galvis is losing the race.

          and then there’s another article implying galvis sticking around is a foregone conclusion and they are considering moving crawford to 3rd and franco to 1b to keep galvis’ amazing defense at SS.

          1. The article is right I’d say. JPC is going to be the SS but who gets 2B? Do they shift glavis to 2B for the glove (and some power, yes he has some) or do you take the average defender who has mental lapses all to often but can hit (with no power tho).

            Right now I’d go w Hernandez.

      2. Having hindsight at your disposal is quite a benefit. I advocated Moniak being promoted a couple weeks ago but I wouldn’t say that I was insistent and I didn’t say immediately. He was handling GCL pitching very well at the time and I thought it might be of benefit to let him see a few weeks of more advanced pitching.

  5. Tirado – 15 outs with 11 of them being K’s. Sounds like a dominant performance. Now, to bring down the BB’s! Would love to see him continue to work as a starter.

    1. Tirado in August: 5 starts, 4-0, 1.73 ERA, 1.13 FIP, 15.92 K/9, 3.46 BB/9.

      Someone’s going to try to stash him in a big league bullpen this offseason if he’s not protected on the 40-man.

    1. This is good. It sounds like the team and Almaraz gave Marti’s staff a reasonable period of time to prove themselves and when they didn’t, they moved them along.

      For the most part, I like what Almaraz seems to be doing and I love what Sal and his staff are doing. Think of all the best talent in the system now, including the majors – given the resources, a disproportionate number have come from the Latin American community. They look to be doing an outstanding job.

      1. But wait…..the guys they just let go….are the ones who have brought in the low A guys now in the system,
        Though not the Latin groups since these two scouts were Texas based and the one national xchecker.

        1. There are networks of people – these guys easily could have been the weak links or over time, their judgments on players may have been off. I’ll give Johnny the benefit of the doubt on this and Marti did such a poor overall job, his guys have no built in credibility with me. I’m fine if they get new guys in the door.

          1. Doesn’t matter to me also.
            He wants his guys in place…and he did give them time to move on if they wanted to.

      2. Sal is in Clearwater this week. He was at the Blue Jays game and made the mistake of making eye contact when he walked by me. So, I got the chance to tell him how great a job I and you guys thought he was doing. He thanked me, patted me on the shoulder, and smiled. So, here’s a (pat) and (smile) from Sal for all you guys who appreciate his work.

    2. I don’t understand this move as the last two to three drafts have been very good and the farm teams are doing well also.

  6. Not much love for C going on. After a ruff first half or so has really seemed to have put it together. Stays hot a 300 finish is possible. And I don’t think to many thought that was possible 4-6 weeks ago

    1. Good to see Randolph finally knocking the rust off and getting his timing back after the long layoff. The hit tool and advanced approach are still there, so it was really just a matter of time before he started to hit again. I would like to see more power (46 of his 59 hits in 2016 have been singles), but hopefully that will come in time.

      1. Lofton’s a pretty good one – that’s his ceiling and it’s a damned high ceiling. Kenny Lofton is one of the more underrated players in major league history. Lofton, who didn’t arrive as a regular player in the majors until he was 25 had a 68.2 bWAR!!! There are a lot of great players who made the HOF and had a lower lifetime WAR scores than Kenny Lofton (as hard as that is to believe) including Ernie Banks, Ryne Sandberg, Duke Snider, Willie McCovey, Mike Piazza and many other luminaries. I’m not saying that Lofton was necessarily better than those players – but he was truly superb, especially in his peak years (and had a nice little season for the Phillies in 2005) – and he made $60 million in the majors when it wasn’t easy for a leadoff hitter to do that (it still isn’t!).

        1. Lofton was a late bloomer to the majors, because he started late in baseball…played basketball on the AU NCAA playoff team. Only played baseball his last year or so at AU and stayed for his degree…so he was time-wise behind a little.

          1. Yeah a lot of people don’t remember he played for us for a year. Blame thing with Juan Pierre who had a pretty good year w us as well.

  7. I just cannot give up on Quinn. He brings so much to a team with his D and speed. I hope he gets a September call up. Obviously the key with him is his health.

    1. I’ve been saying that again and again and again – Quinn has among the highest ceilings of any of our players – if he hits his peak, he’s a star in the major leagues. Not a good player – a star. And it’s not just his ceiling – when you watch him, you can just see the talent jump off the field. He has the ability to almost everything very well – hit, hit for some power, get on base, steal bases, field and throw (he may have one of the best outfield arms in baseball – it’s a rocket).

      So, yeah, it’s been frustrating watching him get injured again and again and, obviously, his being injury prone not only has delayed his development, it’s hurt his intrinsic value, because there’s always the concern that he’ll never be able to play a full season. Still, when he plays, damn he’s good!

      1. Yeah. Quinn has been one of my favorite Phillies prospects. I am going to the Reading game on Saturday night. I hope Alfaro is back in the minor by then but that seems really unlikely. Probably next week. If he isn’t in Reading tommarow I really hope that he will get to play in the majors on Monday so I can see him play before he becomes the starting catcher for the Phillies sometime in 2017 or 2018.

    2. matt I don’t think anyone is giving up on Quinn, Its just the injurys are really limiting his status, He just keeps getting hurt, and that is not good. Hopefully he gets rid of this injury bug. I heard from people, who attend reading games ,his speed is game changing. which I love.

      1. I am thinking Quinn is a better prospect than Williams at this point. If Nick Williams could start working walks and have a better eye he could keep his top 3-5 prospect ranking, but with his season this year I can see his stock falling a bit. Now mind you he is still young and its his first shot at AAA and has produced decent stats.

  8. You can not bring up all these minor leaguers today because there are 25 on the roster and the 40 man is full and you have to have at least 23 on the AAA and AA roster to finish out the season. They will be able to make changes for the last 2 weeks of September.

  9. Kyle Young is definitely a guy from this year’s draft that’s caught my eye. Of course, being a 6’10” lefty is enough to draw attention, but he’s only walked 2 hitters in 27 innings. Lots of tall, young pitchers struggle with control and keeping their mechanics in sync, so maybe that bodes well.

    Unsurprisingly, he’s also getting a ton of ground balls. 69% of his balls in play have been on the ground. I’m guessing that hitters have had a lot of trouble with the downhill plane that his fastball must have.

    1. Wait til they break down his delivery and build it back up at Instructs. Right now it is at 3/4 and looks a little compact for a guy as tall as he is. He steps toward the plate and doesn’t appear to drive off the rubber. When they address any deficiencies they see in his delivery, and he implements the changes, he could see a jump in velo and efficiency similar to the 4-5 mph that Bailey Falter seems to have added since ST. He’s already ahead of the 6’9, Yavapai College kid they drafted in 2013 (and released in 2014, Sourthard). I’m quietly excited to see if/how he progresses the next 12 months.

  10. Alec Asher started the GCL game today. Ho Hum… another win. Asher pitched the 1st 2 innings and Llovera pitched the next 5 innings. So much for Llovera … he gave up a run for the first time in 20 innings. Bum! Stephen hit a 2 run HR. Nin gave up 1 run in his second straight game. Still.. a win’s a win.

  11. JT (Philadelphia): What do you think of how Jhailyn Ortiz has developed so far? Big power but lots of Ks.

    Ben Badler: Yup, that’s him, but he’s performed better than I expected, especially considering he’s skipping the DSL. When I saw him (and a lot of scouts saw him) last year before hs signed, he looked lost at the plate. I figured the strikeouts would be higher and the home runs would be lower just because of the contact frequency problems, but he’s looked solid in his pro debut, especially before getting tired down the stretch, which isn’t uncommon.

    1. Fanatic (Philly): Jorge Alfaro is set to debut. Is his future as bright as Contreras, of does his strikeout propensity limit the ceiling?
      Ben Badler: The raw power and arm strength are outstanding, and he deserves credit for improving his blocking and receiving behind the plate this year, but the hitting approach is still raw for a Double-A player and eats into a lot of his value right now.

        1. rocco….here is BP’s take on Alfaro in accordance with his call up.
          “Going back as far as his signing, every Alfaro scouting report worth its salt will mention two standout raw tools: arm and power. The arm is a no-doubt elite weapon from behind the plate, a true 80 tool, one of the best in baseball. The power, well, that’s gotten a bit more complicated as he’s moved up the ladder. He’ll still flash 70 raw or even higher for you, but it’s never really shown up as a plus-plus tool in games. For example, he’s only hit 13 home runs in 403 plate appearances in 2016, despite playing half his games in slugging paradise Reading, where lesser prospects Dylan Cozens and Rhys Hoskins are both making runs at 40 dingers.”
          ……. game day raw power it seems is still a question mark.

            1. rocco…..I guess it would be a concern of sorts, since Cozens and Hoskins are smashing. But they are power guys with plenty of strength, along with Alfaro who also has bulk and muscle. But the catching defensive side does weigh on a prospect…look at Joseph’s ISO numbers when he was healthy to catch with the Giants and Phillies, nothing indicative of what we are seeing now in the majors , no less.
              So I give him a pass on the power game. The Krate at 24% is not terribly bad, but his BB rate at 5% is low.
              And I think the Phillies formula for catchers is spot on….keeping them in the high minors a little longer than the average bear….worked with Chooch and so far Rupp and maybe they will also do that with both Knapp and Alfaro..

          1. dam My man Stephen won the game today. Romus I am ready almost to make one of my prediction. My last one was about Williams. but I hope I am wrong on that kid. I just cant see Stephen not being a good hitter.

            1. rocco…I thought you said until you see them play you cannot tell. Better wait. Check out BaseballBetsy and see what kind of videos she has on Stephens.

            2. Romus I watched film on that kid. Him playing the outfield, and hitting, I Just fell in love with his swing. I would have taken him in the first round. based just on his film. That’s why I am not a scout. but jim said the other day, how nice his swing is. But I think it was viagin who posted a scouting report on him, Which wasn’t that great, about his overall game. I hope I am wrong on luke Williams. who I didn’t like on film as you know.

            3. Rocco,
              He crushed it. It was loud, and it stopped all conversations. For those familiar with Ashburn Field, the ball cleared the RF fence by the flag pole and hit the Tigers team bus. The driver had pulled up anticipating the end of the game (it was the bottom of the 8th, but it was tied, so I don’t know what he was thinking). After Stephen hit the bus, the driver backed up about 100 feet as Moniak came to the plate.

    2. A lot of Ortiz’ recent slump is because the teams they face have changed the way they are pitching to him. They face the same teams over and over. They have adjusted. Ortiz rarely sees a fastball in the strike zone any more. he’s getting a steady diet of off speed pitches away and fastballs at his chin. Earlier, teams tried to bust the 17-year old in with heat He handled it, now they’re testing his patience with soft stuff away. He’ll learn.

  12. Does anyone else have any concerns about JP’s lack of power? He’s barely showing doubles power right now in AAA…

    1. Of course – well, somewhat.

      It’s the one tool he has (aside from raw speed, which isn’t a huge deal given how he plays) that is in serious doubt. The degree of power he develops will determine how far along the spectrum he develops as a player. Even if he develops, say, 45 power (8-12 home runs – which is sort of where he is now), he’s probably an above-average shortstop (3+ WAR), but if he develops 55 power (15-20 homers and a lot of doubles), he’s probably a borderline all-star or better. I think, this off-season, JP is going to be all about getting stronger – which is a good thing. I’m actually glad he’s hit this road block in the minors and not in the majors – it should make him hungrier (and, if my impression of this guy and his mind set are accurate – he will be hungrier).

      But people also need to understand that the J.P. Crawford that we see debuting for the Phillies in 2017 is probably not going to be anywhere near as good as the J.P. Crawford we might see in 2020 – he’s the kind of guy who I think will improve substantially after arriving in the majors and we might not know for 4 or 5 years how good he can be.

      1. He’s 21 and a half in AAA, not even close to an issue. As catch says, he will get stronger.

        But what’s great about him is 100% of his raw power will turn into in-game power. He makes good contact, and has a great idea of the strike zone, so pitchers HAVE TO give him good pitches to hit.

        1. I recall the same thing being said of Tocci and that didn’t exactly work out… I’m not in the “OMG he’s a flop” category, but I don’t think he’s had a “great” year.

          1. You can’t even begin to compare Tocci and Crawford when it comes to adding strength. Crawford has an athletic build and will be fine even if he doesn’t get much stronger. Tocci has the build of a high school distance runner – small shoulders, no discernible muscles or strength to begin with anywhere on his body – it’s a miracle he can do what he’s done so far.

  13. Someone mentioned Kenny Lofton and it made me think of other players who many have forgotten have played with the Phillies (not the more intense fan like most of us on here however i’ll admit there were some I found who I had completely forgotten about). I’m only going to go back to the early 1990’s and the newer ones are players who I think will be forgotten about in say 20 years (forgotten about in terms of having had played with the Phillies at some point of their career) ***Also will be shifting some positions but all to positions that the player has played before, maybe not in Philly tho.

    All Phillies Forgotten Team

    1. Kenny Lofton CF 2005 Hit .335/.392/.420 in 367 AB

    2. Juan Pierre LF 2012 Hit .307/.351/.371 w 37 SB in 130 games

    3. Ron Gant RF 1990-2000 2X All Star over 300 career HR

    4. Mike Sweeney 1B 2010 5X All Star Hit over .300 5x

    5. Danny Tartabull DH 1997 250 Plus career HR

    6. Benito Santiago C 1996 5X All Star Hit 30 HR w Phillies in 96

    7. Michael Young SS 2013 7x All Star

    8. Dave Hollins 3B 2002 Yes we all know Hollins from the early 90’s but he was resigned
    in 2002 as well.

    9. Jose Hernandez 2B (2006) This is a stretch but he was an All Star.

    BENCH
    Andy Van Slyke (1995)
    Jose Offerman (2005)
    Jeff Conine (2006)
    Michael Bourn (2007) Of Course we know he was a Phillie but who many others do?
    Brandon Moss (2011)

    Rotation:
    Pedro Martinez (2009) If it wasn’t for the WS this would be forgotten by non Philly fans.
    Fernando Valenzuela (1994)
    Freddy Garcia (2007)
    Andy Ashby (2000) The return of AA
    Chan Ho Park (2009)

    Bullpen:
    Norm Charlton (1995)
    Todd Jones (2004)
    Ugueth Urbina (2005)

    Anyone I missed?

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