Box Score Recap – 5/31/2016

Lehigh Valley (26-25) Lost to Norfolk, 8-6.  Jake Thompson had a rough night, failing to finish the fourth inning.  Three relievers shutout the Tides the rest of the way.  J.P. Crawford, Cody Asche, and Brock Stassi had two-hit games.  Andrew Knapp was ejected after arguing a called third strike in the seventh inning.

  • (#2) Thompson (3-5, 4.23) – 3.2 IP, 9 H, 8 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 5 K, 1 HR.
  • (#28) Ramos (0.00) – 2.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K.
  • (#1) Crawford (.195) went 2-5 with 1 K.
  • Asche (.238) went 2-5 with a double, RBI (4), and K.
  • (#3) Williams (.279) went 0-5 with an RBI (23), and 3 K.
  • Ruf (.241) DNP.
  • (#9) Knapp (.239) went 1-3 with a BB, RBI (22), and 2 K.
  • Stassi (.236) went 2-3 with a BB and 2 RBI (12).
  • Perkins (.311) DNP.
  • (#23) Sweeney (.230) went 1-4 with 2 K.
  • SB – Featherston (1), Stassi (1), Venable (2).
  • E – Asche (1).

Reading (34-18) Beat Portland 6-4.  In spite of some spotty defense, John Richy allowed one earned run in six innings.  Roman Quinn led off with his second home run.  Quinn and KC Serna had three-hit games.  Jorge Alfaro had two hits.  Christian Marrero hit a home run.  Quinn had 3 RBI.

  • Richy (2-1, 4.99) – 6.0 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K.
  • (#7) Quinn (.274) went 3-5 with a HR (2), 3 RBI (12), and a CS (5).
  • Valentin (.276) DNP.
  • (#6) Alfaro (.336) went 2-5 with a double.
  • (#22) Cozens (.272) went 0-2 with 2 BB and an RBI (44).
  • (#19) Hoskins (.253) DNP.
  • (#27) Brown (.238) went 1-2 with 2 BB and a CS (4).
  • E – Marrero (1), Richy (1), Brown (4).

Clearwater (30-21) Shane Watson got spanked early.  Alberto Tirado got spanked late.  And the Tampa Yankees out hit, out pitched, and out played the Threshers, 11-3.  Malquin Canelo had 3 hits and 2 RBI.  Mitch Walding had 2 hits.  The Yankees starter was a fellow named Chance Adams.  He’s a RHP and their #20 prospect.  He looked sharp, striking out 8 Threshers in 5.1, 2-hit, 1-run innings.  A Yankees scout told me that they are converting him from a reliever to a starter.  He left after 84 pitches.

  • Watson (0-2, 11.88) – 3.1 IP, 7 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 6 BB, 2 K.
  • (#20) Tirado (16.20) – 1.10 IP, 2 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 1 WP.
  • (#11) Kingery (.266) went 0-5.
  • (#14) Tocci (.254) went 0-4.
  • Pullin (.221) went 1-3 with a BB.
  • Martin (.234) went 0-4 with 3 K.
  • Green (.277) went 1-4 with a double and 3 K.
  • Walding (.272) went 2-4 with a double.
  • Sandberg (.250) went 0-2 with a BB, SF, and RBI (15).
  • (#12) Canelo (.228) went 0-3 with a double and 2 RBI (17).

Watson made his second start for the Threshers and fared even worse last night.  He began the evening by getting ahead of the Yankees #1 prospect, SS Jorge Mateo, 1-2 before the prospect poked an 85 mph off-speed pitch into left field for a single.  Watson had his last bit of good fortune when a 1-2 pitch out to the next batter resulted in a caught stealing of Mateo.  A subsequent single, base on balls, and single led to the Yankees first run.  Before the inning was over, Watson had dug a 5-0 hole for the Threshers.

Watson required 37 pitches in the first inning.  He settled down and faced 4 batters in each of the next two innings, and even struck out a couple batters.  His pitch count dropped in those two innings to 16 and twelve.  He came undone in the fourth.  After a one-pitch out on a fly ball to center, Watson missed the strike zone on 12 of his next 14 pitches.  Acting pitching coach Ray Burris visited after the second walk.  Watson was pulled after the third walk.

Watson throws a fastball, change, slider, and curve.  In all, he threw 80 pitches in 3.1 innings.  His FB was 90-92, t 93,94 mph.  He didn’t induce a swing and miss until his 35th pitch, on a 2-0 count to Mateo during his second AB in the first inning.  He induced only 6 s&m among his 80 pitches.  He threw first pitch strikes on 14 of 22 at bats.

Tomorrow, Ranfi Casimiro pitches in the series finale against the Yankees.  It is also the end of a stretch of games against teams more difficult than those they built their early 15-6 record against.  During the 31-game stretch that started on April 29th, they have so far gone 15-15 and have slipped into second place behind the Yankees.

Lakewood (20-31) Lost to West Virginia, 6-1.  Luke Leftwich had a quality start, but the offense went toes up with 4 hits.

  • Leftwich (4-3, 2.83) – 7.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP.
  • Tobias (.292) went 1-3 with a double and a BB.
  • (#29) Grullon (.222) went 0-1 as a pinch hitter.
  • (#24) Pujols (.253) went 2-3 with a double, RBI (32), and HBP.
  • Cs – Pujols (1), Biter (2).
  • E – McLoughlin (1).
  • Outfield Assist – Pujols.

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • Herlis Rodriguez homered in the XST game today.  He says he expects to return to the Threshers next week.
  • XST has seen the departure of the players who returned to the Dominican Republic for the DSL season which starts on June 4th.
  • They only played one XST game today.  Probably not enough players to play two.
  • C Rodriguez watched the game from the seats behind the screen with the coaches.  He’s still wearing the blue shorts, red shirt (no name/number) that has come to designate players under medical supervision.  Don’t see how he can be expected to return this week or next as has been speculated.
  • For anyone who was wondering if the Phillies might have rushed Crawford up to Lehigh Valley, Dickie Noles says that’s absurd.
  • The Rosters are up to date here.

70 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 5/31/2016

  1. Asche ready I hope seems like most players toke the day off.Altough it’s nice to see Pujols hitting again Leftwich looks to be better then advertised . JIM any sighting of the Cuban outfielder ? Glad to see Herlis Rodriguez going to come back.Quinn and Alfaro having nice days too.

    1. Tirado is pitching into a release. Hope Watson bounce back in next start. Crawford will adjust. Leftwitch, Arauz and Gilbert are pitching well. Arauz starts today, let’s see if he can extened his 21 scoreless innings.

  2. Crawford is obviously challenged by the pitching in AAA, but I guess they figure that with his exceptional patience and good batting eye he will adjust favorably to the good off-speed stuff he’ll find there. This holds for most prospects who the opponents have a “book” on. They will have too adjust. Cozens seems to be handling it well.

  3. Jim, did you mean ‘C’ Randolph and not C Rodriguez?

    I hate to say it but the Phils can start playing the Rascal Flatts song, “Here Comes Goodbye.”

    I think Will Venable can be released anytime now. When is that Cuban OF’er, they signed recently, going to be ready? Will he start in AAA or AA?

    Hoby Milner hasn’t given up a run in 16 games over 23 innings. He’s K’ed 24 and BB’ed 5, one of them intentionally. He pitched well in 2 outings in LHV earlier in the year and I’m not sure why he’s not back there. Cozens is getting a little more respect from pitchers. He has 4 BBs in his last 3 games. He also has 6 Ks over that time interval. In his last 10 games, he has an eye-popping 17 Ks and 5 BBs. Pitchers know they can strike him out but sometimes you face the bull and get the horns. 3 HRs and 12 RBIs over those 10 games. It seems to be boom or bust with him. Aaron Brown, who I was calling for the Phils to demote him earlier, has caught a little wind in his sails. He’s hitting .345 in his last 10 games and has 3 Ks and 4 BBs over that time frame. Nice comeback!

    A big PU to Thompson and Watson.

  4. Does anyone have a profile on the Cuban outfielder? Does he project to be more than a stopgap?

  5. you gotta love Tirado’s line 1.1 IP 3 BB 3K’s and a WP…is that the 3 true outcomes for a pitcher!

    1. Lets hope Happy Ben’s return for the other half in the trade fares better this season.

  6. I believe Asche will get called up today. Lough or Burriss?? It wasn’t good to see Thompson (2) and Williams (3) have such weak games. However, I love what Quinn is doing now. Anyone notice that Tobias had a little slump but has bounced back in a big way? Question – why is Venable still here and getting at bats?

  7. Question why is Tobias still in Lakewood??? Move him to reading now. Send valentin to triple a. We know that Sweeney isn’t a starter. But Valentin and Kingery we don’t know what we have yet. Why not move them and see. Or Kingery to reading. Tobias to Clearwater at least.

    1. From the minors on up, aside from Crawford, the Phillies have done a very poor job this year of promoting and emoting based on merit. Its like they decided March 31 where they wanted everyone and with few exceptions, have refused to budge from that, from the majors on down. If you don’t hit, no consequences. If you are clearly overmatching your league, no reward. Overall I like how this organization is run, but it is really time to start having more of a “put up or shut up” attitude towards its players. Guys like Perkins should be in the majors, Joseph should be playing every day, Tobias should be higher, and there are a few more throughout the org. Time to start making moves based on merit.

      1. I’m going to disagree with most of your post. Most promotions do not come before the draft. There’s no reason to be shuffling players up the ladder when you don’t have anyone to fill in behind them. Expecting this year to be different because you are following it more closely is pretty ridiculous. Joe Jordan has done a good job of promoting guys when needed and is one of the more aggressive promoters out there. The draft is a little more than a week away. You’ll get your promotions then.

        1. I’ve been following the org from top to bottom for over 10 years now but thanks for the assumption bubba

          1. So you should know that the org generally waits until after the draft to backfill players, slick.

        2. As a fan, i’m also curious to see new bloods (propects) rather than old guards (veteran placeholders). my patience is less with the major league team (Phils) than minors – so i’m not happy why the FO will not start Joseph (over Howard) and Blanco (over Cesar) and DFA either Buriss or Lough for Perkins.

          But for the minors, development (and service) time needs to be considered. Majority wants to see Eflin (and some of the top prospects) in the majors, that’s nice but how about the roster space?? so just drop every scrubs like hot potatoe? for what? the Phils ain’t winning this year.

          Those AAAA players or placeholders have their specific purpose. Be the extra warm body and play 2 to 3 months and see if they can provide leadership and trade value while the prospects play 2 to 3 months to determine what level they need to be.

          Player movements come from the top (injury from the major league team) or bottom (thru draft and signings). So exercise few more weeks of patience. Those AAAA will be gone soon. Expect promotions after the Rule V draft and 3 months of playing time.

      2. I completely disagree with this. We are all looking at stat lines and every once in a while we get to read a story about one of these kids. The bottom line is that for some of these kids, having success by staying longer at one level is a necessary part of their development. Some of these young players come out of college or high school and are in a faraway place for the first time without a support system, and they’ve been used to having huge success in their young careers in high school or college, and below, and now for the first time they might struggle and question their ability. Having some of them, depending on mental makeup and specifics of their situation, have success is a necessity. If you have a player who got drafted last year as an example, and really struggled in his first few months in pro ball, and then this year is having a good first 2 months, to rush him to the next level so he can immediately start struggling again is a real risk.

        Having said all of that, there are also things like small sample size and the fact that they might be working with him on aspects of his swing or delivery or defense that are critical with a specific coach. There could be a player who is having to work on some things defensively, and the team might want him to just be at a level where he will be successful hitting so he can focus more on his defense, just as an example.

        My point in all of this is that it is not as simple as look at his stats and if he’s doing well, move him up. There is a lot more to the decisions of who plays at what level than just the stat line in the minor leagues.

    2. I’m shocked that roccom is scouting a boxscore. How is Tobias in the field? Why does he need to be double jumped?

      1. 9 errors at 2 base. Its one of the things I talked to romus about .I remember this kid at florida. He was consider a plus fielder at third. But at 23 in Lakewood makes me tend to believe they don’t think he is a real prospect. Blanket just because I don’t come on and post all the numbers like whip. obp. Doesn’t mean I don’t look. I Guess on here you have to post all the saber numbers. or people think you don’t know anything. amazing..

    3. rocco…..patience for the patients…its June 1st.
      After the draft, with new arrivals, and then a week or two later at the all-star break you may see a lot of movement. Happens every spring.
      All those guys you mentioned will probably start packing their bags and rosters re-shuffled.
      WTH…do you shout at your microwave for being too slow!

      1. Dam tv and microwave broke yesterday. Plumber put my toilet in and it leaks. I SHOUT that favorite song of mine, Shout
        Let it all out
        These are the things I can do without
        Come on
        I’m talking to you
        Come remember this song?

        1. Ahhh Orzabal and Smith…..rocco in life just so many Tears and so many Fears.
          I feel your pain.

  8. My original post seems to have been lost in the Weekly Discussion thread so I will post it here because I’m curious about everyone’s opinion:

    ok, I guess I’ll start the “sign Alex Guerrero” bandwagon. Dodgers designated him for assignment. Early reports are that the Dodgers will not be able trade him because he has a clause in his contract that he becomes a free agent this off-season if traded to a new team. So he is basically a rental if he’s traded for. This means the Dodgers will either release him or place him on waivers. I’m all for the Phillies acquiring him through either one of those avenues (release or waivers). His contract is the pro-rated portion of $7.5 million for the rest of this year and then $7.5 million next year. I would pay that to take the chance that he could straighten himself out playing every day in LF. Would much rather run him out there instead of Lough/Bourjos/Asche.

    1. Guerrero batted .136 in the minors this year, has a bum knee, and no one is willing to take on his contract. Why would we want to pick him up mid-season? I’m expecting it’s going to be a small bandwagon.

      1. Because he absolutely killed the ball in AAA two years ago then slugged .436 in majors last year. Yes I am aware of all of his warts but I’m not sure if you missed it but we start Peter Bourjos in our OF and also give ABs to David Lough and Emmanuel Burris. Guerrero only hit .233 last year with 11 HR in 240 Abs for the Dodgers, but I’m staring at Phillies stats right now and Lough is hitting .254 with a .328 SLG% and Bourjos is hitting .199 and Burriss is hitting .121 and both of them are slugging under .300.

        $7.5 million a year is nothing for the Phillies, especially considering the current payroll and its only a year and a half commitment. Its a good buy low opportunity for a guy that could potentially upgrade the OF for the next year or two without a big financial or time commitment that would preclude you from calling up Williams (or Quinn or Cozens) when ready.

        And who knows, maybe something clicks and he puts it together and you got him for nothing. Youre in a rebuilding year, use that opportunity to take chances on guys, especially if they make you better in short term when you’re halfway competing right now

        1. Just because the Phillies have money doesn’t mean they should waste it on bad contracts for players that are not healthy. I get that we are getting little offense from certain players but you don’t replace them mid season with damaged goods. While Bourjos is providing little offensively, he contributes defensively. I’d rather see them promote from within organization than to pick up bad contracts.

          1. He’s not healthy? He had a knee contusion. That’s a bruise for you non-medical guys out there. And just completed a 20 day rehab assignment. Which one of the Dodgers teams doctors did you talk to, to get your inside info on his health?

            Anyway, I can see that you’re an inside the box thinker that would rather have Bourjos on the field than Alex Guerrero, so whats the point of debating this any further with you…

            1. I think it’s pretty clear who the inside the box thinker is . have you ever played the game? And You have access to the Dodgers medical records to confirm the knee contusion? You are right in one thing and that is that it makes no sense to debate with you. Some how I have a feeling our GM may not agree with your position. Guess we will see within the next few weeks.

    2. If he’s waived, I think the Phillies would be sixth in line to claim him. Five other NL teams have worse records than the Phils.

      1. Would they claim him though?

        Early reports are that he probably wont be claimed with that salary. Phillies are in unique situation where they are a big market team with very few financial commitments.

        I’d claim him, but its not my money haha. I think hes worth a shot, but in reality, the Phillies probably do not

        1. He owes a lot less than the $14M for the remaining two years.
          2014:$4M, 2015:$4M, 2016:$5M(1/3 off now), 17:$5M……..looks like approx. $9M now.
          I assume the $10M signing bonus was not prorated over four years …but not sure how the Boras Corp would do that sort of thing..

          1. Yes, I saw that $5 million a year number in an article as well, but Baseball Reference says $7.5 million a year. Either way, I’m claiming him. Good buy low opportunity in my book

            1. your take is more short term which only applies if Phils is competing but they are not. the $$ are peanuts, but the roster space in 2016 and 2017 will give the Phils better flexibility and use the spot to protect/select prospect from Rule V.

    3. @Tommy – even if Guerrero is better than Lough/Bourjous/Asche – that move will not push the Phils to the playoffs or even stay competitive in the NL East so the $$ and roster space (on top of the potential head ache) are just WASTED resources. It’s different if the Phils will get a comp draft pick just to carry Guerrero and pay his $$.

      IMO the $$ spent to Guerrero is better spent in July 2 signings (either for the premium LA prospects or spend <$300M for 20 prospects) – this has more upside than claiming Guerrero. On top of that, the Phils might need to protect at least 10 of their top prospects (and some more for next year) so the ROSTER space that Guerrero will take if valuable than whatever production he might produce.

      1. If the Phillies claim Guerrero and he plays at or above replacement level he can be flipped for prospects (granted probably not great prospects but you never know) if he plays like crap they can cut him from the 40 man roster and protect a prospect. Granted that could end up as wasted resources as far as the money goes but it’s not a guarantee (I personally do not think that the Phillies are on a tight budget so I don’t think they would use the money elsewhere). I don’t see Lough more valuable at any point than Guerrero so in all reality the roster spot would probably not be wasted.
        I highly doubt this is an either or situation (Guerrero or July 2nd prospects) more than likely they would just spend on both. You would have to assume that is the smarter decision. If Guerrero sucks they can remove him from the 40 man roster after the year and protect another rule 5 prospect so I don’t really see the downside. If the Phillies think there is even a remote chance he bounces back I think they would have to claim him. It’s not my money and I’m not a doctor or talent evaluator but I don’t see how it would be a bad move.

  9. Top prospects ETA for permanent callups (IMO):

    JPC – Aug ’16
    Alfaro – opening day ’17
    Williams – Aug ’16
    Eflin – Aug ’16 if not sooner
    Cozens – mid season ’17
    Randolph – mid season ’18
    Thompson – unprojectable at this time
    Ed. Ramos – Aug ’16
    Quinn – mid season ’17
    Kingery – opening to mid season ’18
    Knapp – contingent on position change; possibly mid season ’17
    Lively – April ’16

    1. These guys may not be ready to play in MLB by your time frame. Plus you nare starting their MLB clock by bringing them up early. They will be Fee Agents a year or more earlier than you would like.

    2. unless the Phils stay in contention, but ready to see the Joseph, Asche, Goeddel, Ascher, Murray, SevGon, Morgan to join the core of Nola, VV, Eickhoff, Franco and Doobie. Most of the top prospects will be added when the rosted expands in September. I think the FO wants to play next “core” (JPC, Nick, Quinn, Knapp, JT, Eflin, Ramos, etc) together to keep the bond and be confortable with one another.

      We might see Quinn and Ramos, for a cup of tea since they are already in the 40-man. Eflin ot Thompson might make 1 start to put fans in the stadium but their service time will not be started early.

      1. I’m no more interested in seeing Asche and Severino Gonzalez as I am of re-signing Ryan Howard.

        1. @anonymous – so am i. as i mentioned in my other post, i have less patience with the big league club than the minors so i don’t want to see placeholders.

          but my post is just reality check. as much as we want to see the next great phillies team, we may need to suffer 3-4 months of watching ave to below average players.

    3. I’m in the minority but I don’t think JP or Williams will be up for good before next June to gain an arb year and because they haven’t earned it.

      1. @murray – i don’t expect to see JPC and Nick too except for a cup of tea in September. but i do expect JPC and Williams to be major players in the next Spring training. and if both will do well, they’ll be in the 25-man roster by the start of next season.

        i see the Phils keeping the core together so i don’t expect the FO to manipulate JPC’s service (by calling him up at a later date compared to others).

        1. KuKo….that’s the business side of it. Unless the new CBA changes those aspects of service/Super Two/controlled years….they will probably let them play into the month of May in the minors. Didn’t they do something like that date last year on Franco?

  10. No Paredes talk yet?

    I say play him in the same corner OF spot everyday vs a RH & pull him for defense with a lead after 7.

  11. Ryan Howard benched for next 4 games ,Pete says after an ADULT CONVERSATION with Howard, says he wants Joseph to get more ABs

    According to Gelb via Twitter

  12. Man I give up I just got a Burriss jersey . Paredes my phone 2nd base he played a lot of 2nd for Balt . Yikes has the eye of Howard 19 b 119 k’s . Maybe Doobie can teach him how to take a walk. He does have some power maybe take over 2nd.

  13. Interesting day and days ahead….Paredes taking Burriss’s spot is a no lose situation, he cost nothing and can’t possibly be any worse so this move is worth a shot. Now tomorrow they must activate Cody Asche so that might make for an interesting choice – barring an injury you’d have to think it’s either Lough, Bourjos, or Howard. I really think it’s just time to move on from Howard, not because Bourjos and Lough are long term solutions, but I think the situation could become a distraction and at least with Lough and Bourjos they bring something to the table with speed and defense, whereas Howard doesn’t really add anything. If he stays on the roster, he should be nothing more than 2008 Matt Stairs – a PH when a HR would really help, and start at 1B maybe once every week or two.

    As for pitchers, I’d really like to see Hollands or Milner added as a LHP in the bullpen. I believe the challenge is outside of Brett O, everyone is pitching pretty well and I think they want to keep him as a long man. But at some point Milner, Hollands, Ramos, and others will be pushing for opportunities.

    1. I was just wondering did you ever look up lough and Asche numbers?? They are one point different in obp and batting average. asche has30 rbi more in 250 more at bats. Now the real difference asche cant field or run. Lough can.

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