2016 Draft Discussion, March 13th

Judging by the comments in last week’s Open Discussion, it seems appropriate to institute a weekly Draft Discussion.  This will make it possible to have all relevant draft news, reports, and discussions under one category and in one place.

A.J. Puk works a scoreless T1. 95-97, great command of his slider at 84-85. Counted at least 15 scouts behind home plate.

119 thoughts on “2016 Draft Discussion, March 13th

  1. Love the velocity but worried about Puk’s control. Walks have been an issue consistently. He will probably go in top five.

    I’m leaning towards Groome at the moment. Looking forward to reports on his spring.

    I also heard at 20:80 Baseball (http://2080baseball.com) that Pint was recently scouted throwing 100+. If that’s truly the case, than we’ll have an interesting debate as to who goes 1.1.

  2. Until mid May it might be difficulty to gather agreement on the best choice. One reason to follow both HS & College games on our own. Unless something “radical” happens by then, #1 will be a pitcher…as we know by now In the next 2 months somebody could emerge that we have not now considered. Having said that, I believe that Puk may play himself out of the #1 status.
    He seems to lack the consistency (so far) that a #1 should have. Too many walks and too few Ks for a “power pitcher.” He knows that the scouts are watching and that everything he does will be analyzed to the smidgens. So is his “modest” start of the season due to his pressure? Yes, so far the New Jersey HS lefty is hard to ignore.
    2 more months of speculation….

  3. The Phillies should select the best available position player. I hope they stay away from HS Pitching. Picking HS Pitching in the top 5 is unnecessary and screams failure.

    1. I hate that mindset. Take the bpa regardless of HS or college. There are plenty of examples of high first round picks who were HS pitchers and have become elite MLB pitchers with long healthy careers.

      1. Name 10 HS pitchers selected in the top 5, in the last 20 years that went on to be stars.

        1. Here is a list….but not all stars……Kerry Wood, Mark Mulder, Kris Benson, Josh Beckett, Mark Prior, Gavin Floyd, Zach Greinke (6th), Justin Verlander, Luke Hochevar, David Price, Stephen Strasburg, Drew Pomeranz, Jameson Taillon, Gerrit Cole, Dylan Bundy, Kevin Gausman.
          However, after reviewing all the 20 drafts….fact of the matter….position players clearly outnumber pitchers in that category for best results.

          1. And as for HS pitching players….Beckett and Verlander seem to be the only two in the top 5 last 20 drafts.

            1. Yes you are correct…..my bad.
              So there is only one at the end of the day from the top 5…Beckett.

          2. Nearly all of those pitchers you list are college pitchers. Which is part of the point. Nobody can name 10 (top 10 draft pick) High School pitchers who’ve become stars, because there are only two or three in a generation (the last 20 years). You’re just as likely to get the best HS pitcher of the draft in middle of the 1st round as the top, if not more likely. HS Pitching is that volatile.

            The Phillies need to hit on this pick, and position players are much more likely to hit than HS Pitching. When position players bust at #1, like Billy Beene and Matt Bush it’s a surprise. When Pitchers bust it doesn’t raise an eyebrow, because it happens so often.

        2. “selected in the top 5” is an arbitrary limiter. it is also irrelevant. each selection is an independent event. each prospect has his own unique strengths and weaknesses. painting all HS pitching prospects selected in the top 5 with a broad brush is a horrible way to make a decision.

      2. Don’t all statistics point to HS pitchers being a far more volatile/ risky investment than college counterparts?

        Dylan Bundy and Hunter Harvey disasters in Baltimore come to mind first.

    2. If you look back far enough you can find plenty of examples that support and disprove that argument. For example, while Jameson Taillon clearly hasn’t worked out, I imagine the Dodgers and thanking the Lord every day that six teams passed on Clayton Kershaw for college pitchers like Andrew Miller, Brandon Morrow and 1.1 pick Luke Hochevar (2006). Mark Appel was the consensus #1 pick when he came out of college, but he has yet to show consistency. Ultimately, the Phillies should take the BPA. While high school pitchers are risky, that doesn’t mean you should automatically select a less talented college player simply because he’s a safer option.

    3. Anonymous VOR- I’m not sure that I understand your logic on this one. Why not take the bpa? No one knows who that is at this point hopefully there is a clearer picture by June. To completely rule out 25% of the available players doesn’t seem like a smart idea.

      1. I am for taking the best player available. And history has shown, that when picking in the top 5, that player is a position player. Kershaw and Beckett are the only two outliers in the last 20 years.

        I don’t know if there has been studies to determine why the top HS pitchers has failed, but there has to be a reason. Maybe it’s they are throwing so hard at a young age, that they injure they’re arms from all of the torque. Maybe the very top guys are already “maxed out” physically and can’t get any better. I don’t know. But one Beckett and one Kershaw for every 10 Kohl Stewart’s and 10 Tyler Kolek’s isn’t the enough to ignore those odds or the history.

          1. John Manuel mentioned two weeks ago that he wouldn’t select HS Pitching in the top 10. Also mentioned there are a number of organizations that feel the same way. So some experts in the industry seem to also have an “arbitrary” point at which they consider HS Pitching.

          2. It’s not arbitrary; there’s a big difference in the value of the 5th pick and the 15th pick, and we have #1. He could have limited it to top picks only, but then we wouldn’t have enough data points.

            I agree with VOR that unless there is a true standout can’t-miss pitcher, we should be going for a position player. Pitchers bust and get hurt more often, so we should save SP picks for later rounds (like Rd. 3) where the picks are less valuable and we can get safety in numbers.

            1. If you don’t think the scouting grade difference between an 18 year old High School pitcher taken #5 and one taken with the #15 pick are arbitrary…then you really don’t understand how this thing works. it is all based on projections and kids fall into buckets. The absolute difference between a 60 grade and a 55 grade is nothing when you project out 3-5 years. It is completely a guess.

            2. Would you have felt better if he had limited it to #1 picks only?

              No matter what your standard, you still have to compare to position player stars in that same drafted range. But #1 picks historically are much more valuable than any other picks, and those picks are overwhelmingly position players.

              Is that not enough reason?

          3. I disagree. Let’s expand to the entire first round. HS pitchers fail at a significantly higher rate than college.

            Not saying Groome isn’t the best option b/c as you stated earlier, each pick is an individual event in itself but when looking at the numbers of HS vs. college – its not close.

      2. Of course you should give very strong consideration to bpa, but exactly what is bpa? It is not just ceiling. It has to be a combination of probability and ceiling. History has shown that H.S. pitchers have a very low probability of success. This is determined by looking at many years of picks and calculating career (or in some cases career to date, WAR). For top 5 picks, which are the guys that the teams evaluate as the best, which will include some truly socks knocking high school pitchers, the worst results are achieved by taking a H.S. pitcher. Best result is for a college position player, then a college pitcher/H.S. position player and chugging far in the rear, H.S. pitcher. Maybe the Phillies take Groome and get incredibly lucky that he is one of the very few H.S. pitchers who have a great career, but the odds are really against them.

    4. MLB draft is probably more volatile than stocks – the mere number of draft picks just shows the volatility of the draft results can be. Given the different philosophy and needs of teams drafting #1 and the additional 3 to 4 years development time in the minors – predicting the eventual results is hard.

      IMO, using Anonymours VOR theory of using the % of success of HS pitcher as a gauge “doesn’t prove and/or doesn’t disaprove” a true fact given the volatility of the drafts – there are a lot of busts and there are also a lot of gems whether in the late 1st rd, middle rounds or late rounds.

      The best approach is for the scouting department to do their homework – and draft the player (whether HS, College, Pitcher, Position) that “check the most boxes in their scouting report” and do the same for the next 40 rounds.

      If Groome checked the most boxes, so be it.

      1. KuKo….with that being said, I would hope the new commish will eventually let teams trade draft choices other then the ones that are arbitrarily designated to a team thru Competitive Balance lottery winnings or Compensatory picks on lost players.
        Phillies with the 1.1. could draw some interest.

        1. @romus – i’m with you here. i like the thought of trading future draft picks even in my fantasy leagues i lobby for that.

          IMO. this will good for the sports since it adds more value to the scouting department and make teams more active in the trading deadline as they can keep some of their top prospects in place of future draft picks.

    5. Agree that HS pitching is a scary proposition, but I just want them to take the bpa. Whether that’s a pitcher or position player, don’t really care.

  4. They bust, they all bust HS/College, Position/Pitcher it just happens from time to time. You do your due diligence as an organization and the rest is luck at 1:1.

    Plenty of college arm busts as well if you review the draft history and plenty of College bat busts also.

  5. Aj Puk is rounding into shape….IMO it will be two dog race between him and Groome for the Rule 4 1.1 prize.

      1. Saturday’s start with one hit in 5 innings is not good enough for you for ’rounding into shape’…..sheeesh!
        What do you need no-hitters every time out….and it isnt even St Patty’s day yet!
        Relax…he will be fine.

      2. This was his line from Saturday…..IP5.1….H1….R1….BB4…..K3……FO8……GO4……Pitches84.
        He walked one in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th when he was taken out.
        He didn’t have that ‘miss the plate’ for a whole inning ordeal.

        1. 4 walks and 3Ks in 5.1 innings is not exactly amazing pitching in my book.

          last week, Alec Hanson struck out 12 in 5 innings. while he also walked 4 (and gave up 5 hits), at least he showed elite strikeout stuff.

          1. There you go again with that whiff factor thing!
            Lets see how it all plays out when he gets into the SEC play shortly
            Weather gets hotter and also the SEC hitters will be a real test for him and a better measure on whether or not he will eventually go 1.1.
            Though, not sure he will ever reach the David Price threshold for his last SEC season with a K/BB of 6.3.

            1. yes, there i go again…i keep valuing pitchers who make batters swing and miss and don’t walk people. i am really thick headed.

            2. Walks, Strikeouts, and HR rate. I don’t think any other stats are even worth looking at.

        2. About Puk’s line on Saturday … He was facing Harvard. Harvard’s team slash line for the 2016 season so far is .223/.279 /.366 .

      1. He’s a center fielder type 5 ft 11 185 we would have 3 Herrera , Quinn and him Groome until someone comes up and knacks him off.

        1. But that is contrary to bpa. It doesn’t matter who we have in CF, that doesn’t change Ray’s value.

  6. Joe Jorden on 97.5 The Fanatic this morning. Said Johnny Almarez and his staff will make the call on who to take at 1.1. Said the team will select BPA, doesn’t matter if it’s HS or college, pitcher or position player. He did say they’re comfortable with the upper levels of their farm system.

    1. Agree with Joe Jordan here. The Phils will have a lot of financial flexibility post 2016 so the Phils can reload the team with some premium FAs.

      I actually like Almaraz’s draft philosophy – don’t use picks to draft a pitcher unless in will be a potential top of the rotation type, give hitting tool and plate discipline more value than overall raw power (i.e. Corny, Kingery, Lucas Williams) and draft pitchers with good command and control (i.e. Falter, Gilbert).

      I personally like Groome, but Alamaraz might surprise most fans and experts again with his pick – like drafting Corny at #10 last year (which I prefered either Allard or Whitney).

      1. I generally like Almarez’s philosophy a lot as it comes to hitters and top-of-the-rotation pitchers. As for mid and late round picks, while I think it’s a good idea to emphasize the importance of command and control, I think you can never underestimate the value of a really strong raw arm; it’s how we got Ken Giles in the 7th round and Cosart in the late rounds. Yes, you need some balance, but you need some good raw talent too – there’s a reason the draft is more than 40 rounds. Go for some lottery picks.

        1. He certainly did well with Atlanta in the international area. Julio Teheran was one of his signings I think.

        2. @J64 – i see your point. 2015 was almaraz’s 1st draft – given the state of the farm in the upper minors when almaraz took over, i understood the strategy of drafting college players to replenish the teams. almaraz did drafted 3 HS kids in the 1st 5 rds, so it’s still a good mix of college and HS prospects.

          since the farms improved a lot due to trades and high $$ allocated, i can see almaraz take some risks with higher upside prospects in this coming draft.

          1. Look at what he did in Falter and Williams 2 high picks who he took a chance on. . That’s totally taking a big chance high picks.the Thing is both C and Williams had high walk rates . Falter and Eshelman are control pitcher’s.

          2. Almaraz followed the Braves’ philosophy of placing significant bets on H.S. kids. 2015 was not a college-centered draft, it was the most H.S.-centered draft we’ve had in a while. The play-it-safer, replenish-the-upper-levels-with-college-kids draft was Wolever’s last draft in 2014, which was the most college-centric draft we’ve had in quite a while.

  7. It really stinks that the year we get 1.1, not only is there no Harper, but there doesnt even seem to be a sure-fire all star. Puk’s lack of control is beyond concerning. I don’t think you can take a guy there who you fear could never find control. Isn’t that the biggest thing that separates college and minor league stars from MLB stars? He’s walking way too many as it is, and wait til he gets to the higher levels where more hitters know to lay off the balls out of the zone.

    Groome is fine, I would be fine with him if we had, say pick 9, but at 1.1 hes just a little underwhelming. I really hope that somebdoy goes on a run in the next two months that shows that they could really be something special

    1. I’ve seen this sentiment often, wait to see if someone goes on a run during the next two months. Isn’t that akin to making a decision based on a SSS?

      I would be surprised if Almarez and his staff haven’t decided who their 1:1 is and only a complete implosion by that player could change their minds. I would be concerned if the unexpected surge of some dark horse could change their minds.

      1. I tend to hope the people that say this are less about drafting the hot hand and more hoping that one of the young kids shows development of a new tool or refinement of an old one. Sort of how we keep hoping Tocci’s power tool will take another step forward.

        1. Kris Bryant didn’t get drafted #2 because he went on a run – he was a dominant college hitter his freshman and sophomore years hitting over .360 with 23 HRS over those two years. He was already on the radar as a big time college hitter.

          I agree with Jim – I think teams know who their guys are already and won’t base the decision on a player that gets hot the last 1-2 months.

    2. What is underwhelming about someone who has the upside of Kershaw? Seriously am I missing something?

      1. Seriously. He dominated some of the best high school competition in the country when he went down to florida for a stint. In NJ he was even more dominant. besides working on his command he has little else to prove. changeup will get better in time as he throws it more. could add even more velo to his 94-97mph fastball. #1 starter profile if everything develops as it should.

        1. i’ve read scouting reports saying that with his stuff, size and pitchability there really is no ceiling for him. He is the 1-1 pick.

  8. I know a lot of people will hate this but this may be the year to go signability at 1.1 and then go overslot later on in the draft

    1. I know it’s not something I see the new management doing, but what about going for someone they know they can’t sign. That way, if they were a bottom team against this year they would have 2 top 10 picks in 2017. Of course it would depend on how they think the 2017 draft is shaping up.

      1. There’s no one you CAN’T sign at 1.1. The only way this would happen is if they low-balled a player significantly. And the only way they could POSSIBLY talk their way out of it is by saying something in the medical records worried them after they drafted him, ala the Astros. And even then, did anyone truly believe the Astros until Aiken actually went under the knife? That was some shady business going on and doing that can hurt you in future draft negotiations.

      2. Bad move because the team also loses the $$$ associated with that slot. Astros got burned with Aiken when they had to withdrawl offers to other picks that they had gone over-slot for..

  9. BaseballBetsy gets Hoskins on Saturday.
    Looks more sculpted then last year if that is possible.

        1. Romus its old age. Try doing crossword puzzle to help you not get confused. Write down all the threads. Its getting old, you need to try to keep sharp. And no more hotdogs

  10. Remember what Klendak said—that his idea is to develop pitching first and add hitters through free agency.. We DO have a good position and $$$ to sign bats in the int’l market. Depending on who we get as FA in May-June (?), that could influence our draft picks…beginning at #1.

    1. I think they go bpa no matter what. If you need a catcher you don’t just draft the best catcher you draft the best player. Just my opinion.

  11. Agreed BPA is the only philosphy any org should follow. That said it is a term used too loosely…as if there is some absolute science to figuring out who that is in every draft.

    1. DMAT…your point is well taken…..Mike Trout was far from the BPA in ’09 at 28….even Randy Grichuk at 27 was a considered BPA by the same Angels.:)

    2. The idea of best player available is that a team doesn’t skip a player that they have more highly rated because it’s not a position of need.

      How teams choose to rate players is an entirely different discussion.

      1. Exactly, and that rating includes risk as well as ceiling. It also includes the team’s willingness to take a 50% chance of a total whiff at 1.1, as opposed to taking a safer pick with perhaps a 15% total whiff likelihood, but a lesser ceiling.

        1. By total whiff I mean a guy who doesn’t put up a cumulative WAR of at least 1.0 during his 6+ seasons of team control. There are a lot of 1.1s who failed to clear that bar.

        2. In Almarez I trust so whichever players they take with their first two picks I will be confident in those kids.

  12. Barnegat HS starts on March 30. As the season goes on and we get to see how Groome pitches, we will have a good idea of who the Phils pick. Because, I believe, that if he has the kind of season it is hoped he has, he will be picked 1.1. Just my opinion, of course, but drafting Pitching, buying hitting, seems to be the team’s philosophy, and Groome has a #1 ceiling with great character.

    1. He really dropped OU’s Hansen…almost out of the first round.
      If the Phillies go with Groome at the 1.1, …then hope in some way Vandy’s Bowden is still there at 42 or Eric Lauer.

      1. TBH … I would be disappointed with either Bowden or Lauer at 2.1. I’m hoping for a player with a higher ceiling. Either work out a deal to guarantee Quantrill money nobody else can give him or take a HS guy like Jesus Luzardo, Alex Speas or Joe Rizzo. I like Rizzo a lot.

        1. IMO, Quantrill will be long gone prior to 42. Washington could do it again as with Giolito. Luzardo will more than likely be picked by a Comp Bal team between 31 and 38, since his upside is too high and those picks are ‘house money’ for them.. Rizzo or Speas (right now a MSU commit)will probably be there.

          1. Yes, Quantrill (when healthy) is one of the draft’s top arms and should be long gone before 2.1. However, according to Keith Law, if the Phillies really want him, they can make it happen by promising him money most other teams can’t match.

            Mike: How good is Cal Quantril and Is there any chance he could fall to the Phillies at 2.1 this June ?
            Klaw: If he does, it would probably be a Daz Cameron type deal where they’ve worked it out for him to fall. It’s not legal but I’m fine with it – the system basically forces teams to do it, and it means elite players get paid.

  13. Keith Law on possibility of Phillies selecting Groome: “… If we were talking Brady Aiken – who was historically good at the time of the draft – that might be different, but there is no Aiken in this draft…”

  14. Also from Law’s chat:

    Adam: Corey Ray — real deal or role player at the big league level?
    Klaw: I think he’s an average to above-average regular. Top player in the draft class now, although to some extent that’s by default.

  15. It is all a matter of opinion, but KLaw, who doesn’t think Groome should go #1, still has no real negatives about him. OTOH, he thinks Ray is the top player in the class, but he’s, maybe, above average. I take my chances with a potential Ace SP. He has been wrong many times before, and he is wrong on Groome. And, before you tell me I have less credibility than KLaw, I already agree. It is only a matter of opinion.

    1. The funny thing is Law has Groome the #1 ranked player in the draft. He just feels like MacPhail/Klentak have a track record of not taking HS pitchers that high… “do not think they’ll take a HS pitcher at 1-1, though. It goes against draft history and the specific philosophies of the new regime.” I believe they’re going to take Groome because no one else has really risen to challenge him for the top spot.

      http://espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/insider/post?id=2466

      1. Every year there is a HS pitcher that everyone projects to be the next Kershaw, Verlander or Clemens. Because we’ve been paying more attention this year, due to having the #1 pick (and Groome being local) some have convinced themselves Groome is “once in a lifetime”. There is a “once-in-a-lifetime” HS pitcher every year.

        The 1st HS pitcher selected in each draft, in each of the last 20 years:

        (Warning: look away if you are squeamish)

        2015 Tyler Jay
        2014 Brady Aiken
        2013 Kohl Stewart
        2012 Max Fried
        2011 Dylan Bundy
        2010 James Taillon
        2009 Matt Hobgood
        2008 Ethan Martin
        2007 Jarrod Parker
        2006 Clayton Kershaw
        2005 Chris Volstad
        2004 Mark Rogers
        2003 John Danks
        2002 Chris Gruler
        2001 Colt Griffin
        2000 Mike Stodolka
        1999 Josh Beckett
        1998 J.M. Gold
        1997 Goeff Goetz
        1996 John Patterson

        1. Not a very good stat for success…maybe 3..
          Though, probably should discount the last three drafts and start at ’93, since ’15, ’14 and ’13, still have to be played out for Jay. Aiken and Stewart..

          1. 2013 Kohl Stewart (the next Roger Clemens) has already started down the road to bust-town. But if you need more:

            1995 Kerry Wood
            1994 Doug Million
            1993 Kirk Presley
            1992 Jim Pittsley
            1991 Brien Taylor

            1. The track record for HS pitchers is not a resounding success. So for the last 25 years , the first HS pitcher selected in each draft has failed to live up to expectations except for the following four…..Kershaw, Beckett, Danks and Kerry Wood.
              Taillon, Bundy and Aiken are all injuring affected and the jury is still out, but looks kind of cloudy for them.

        2. Anonymous VOR, Tyler Jay was not a HS pitcher. He played for Illinois.
          Kolby Allard was the first prep arm taken at 14 by the Braves.

        3. Just so I understand … Who exactly do you think should be picked at 1.1 instead of Groome ? It’s easy to pick the field, or to say anyone other than a HS pitcher. But, if you’re the Phillies, who are you picking ?

          1. Just so it’s clear, it’s March 18th and it’s stupid to pick ANY player as the pick. HS Baseball hasn’t even started in most of the country.

            1. Yes. I understand it’s only March 18th. But … that doesn’t mean you can’t have an opinion. We already know your thoughts on picking Groome this far out. If the draft were held tomorrow night (and you only had the information currently available), who would you pick ? I won’t hold you to this choice come June. I’m just interested in your opinion at this time.
              The evidence you put forth concerning HS pitchers picked near the top of the draft is valid, but there is something to be said for looking at each draft individually. If money isn’t an issue, I don’t see another player worth taking at 1.1 (on March 18th).

            2. Of course everyone has an opinion, but at this point they are all poorly informed opinions. Regardless off what some say, guys take off in the spring all of the time. A few months ago I leaned towards Blake Rutherford… then I saw his age. Delvin Perez then became the pick. But if you’re saying I have to pick somebody right now, with no more information available to me, It would be Corey Ray, because there is enough data available to conclude that he should be a good major league player.

              I’ve seen Puk, and there is nothing impressive about him. Wouldn’t consider him. Alec Hansen and Matt Krook are the two most impressive pitchers (delivery) to my amateur eye, but both have work to do. Nolan Jones and Will Benson haven’t started playing yet. It’s too early to say any player is the pick. But I still hold that a HS pitcher would not be my pick, unless there was something ‘other-worldly’ about him that stuck out.

            3. Anon VOR … Thanks for your opinion. I like Corey Ray, too. But, I’d still choose Groome based on his current talent, his age, and projection. I guess we’ll wait and see how things turn out.

  16. I’m going off if what I’ve seen in person coaching against him. The kid is legit, his stuff is legit, his character is legit . . . I’ve seen mid 90s before but have never seen mid 90’s as easy and free as it explodes outta his left hand.

    1. How many times have you seen Riley Pint and Delvin Perez in person? What can you tell us about their character?

      1. I’ve seen Pint at a showcase tournament as well, he’s very impressive but doesn’t top Groome to me and it’s not exactly close. There’s a lot more effort in Riley’s delivery and if I remember correctly he’s really low 3/4 which scares me. Never seen Perez in person, to be honest I’ve never heard of him either tho.

  17. From last night …

    Alec Hansen (vs Cal St Bakersfield) … 4.1 IP, 4 H, 3 BB, 1 WP, 6 K, 3 ER, 102 P

    Connor Jones (vs Wake Forest) … 7.1 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 1 HBP, 1 WP, 0 ER, 9 K

    Robert Tyler (vs Kentucky) … 5 IP, 2 H, 7 BB, 2 ER, 6 K

    Jordan Sheffield (vs Miss St) … 6 IP, 5 H, 5 BB, 0 ER, 9 K

    (The other Fla pitcher) Logan Shore (vs Missouri) … 5.1 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 2 ER, 10 K

    1. Florida’s Logan Shore is also considered a first round pick by many publications, though further down later in the round.

  18. I have not seen a negative item yet about Groome other than he is a HS Pitcher. I know that it is way too early, HS has not started yet, College is early in the season, and there is much to learn, but we have this site devoted to the draft, and I enjoy the back and forth. So, until he doesn’t pitch well, I am in on Groome.

  19. AJ Puk doesn’t want the Phillies to give up on him. He just shut down Missouri tonight. 7 IP, 3 H, 1 BB. 11 K !!!

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