Prospect Discussion: Week of September 21st

Here’s an open discussion thread about minor league prospects.  Phillies’ talk and other non-prospect discussion should remain in the Open Discussion.

This is an open format for any minor league prospect you want to discuss.  Last week, I started the ball rolling with Angelo Mora.  How about another player who isn’t on anyone’s top 30 but impressed me with his appearances in Clearwater, Jesen Dygestile-Therrien. For the past couple years, I have thought of him as the kid with the hyphen who showed up alphabetically between C and E even when they listed him as Jesen Therrien.

  • Jesen Dygestile-Therrien, relief pitcher
  • Bats right, Throws right
  • 6’2, 200 lb.
  • Born 3/18/1993 (age 22)
  • Drafted by the New York Mets in the 36th round of the 2010 MLB June Amateur Draft from Polyvalente Edouard Montpetit (Montreal, QC) – the US equivalent of high school.  He was drafted by the Philadelphia Phillies in the 17th round of the 2011 MLB June Amateur Draft from Ahuntsic College (Cap-Rouge, QC) – the US equivalent of a Junior College.  He was drafted after his FR year, at the age of 18.
  • 2012; GCL Phillies (age 19, -1.4)
  • 2013; GCL Phillies (age 20, -0.6)
  • 2014; Lakewood (age 21, -0.7) spent 4 weeks from 7/12 thru 8/9 in Williamsport (-0.4)
  • 2015; Lakewood (age 22, 0.0) promoted to Clearwater (-1.0) on 5/16
  • Assigned to the Glendale Desert Dogs on 9/16 for 2015 Arizona Fall League Season.

Therrien pitched well enough early in his career to remain on the organization’s radar.  In 2015, he broke out in 9 appearances with Lakewood.  He had a gaudy 0.52 ERA, 14 K in 17.1 IP (7.3), and only 2 walks.  He allowed 13 hits and his WHIP was 0.865.

He continued to pitch well in Clearwater posting a 1.77 ERA, 40 K in 45.2 IP, 15 walks (and a spike up to 3.0/9).  He allowed only 37 hits and his WHIP rose to only 1.139.

The past two years Therrien has thrown his fastball consistently in the 89-92 mph, touching 93-95 mph.  In his first game with Clearwater, I watched him throw 93-94 (pumped up by the promotion or our “hot” gun).  But as the season wore on, he was more 90-92.  He keeps the ball down in the strike zone.  Toward the end of Clearwater’s season, he was their most consistent reliever, IMO.  I was not uncomfortable when he took the mound.

He made one appearance in the playoffs.  He pitched 2.0 innings against Daytona and retired all 8 batters he faced. Eight in two innings?  Yeah, he had to pitch around lead off fielding errors by infielders in both innings he pitched.

49 thoughts on “Prospect Discussion: Week of September 21st

  1. I got the idea to match Jesen against Alexis Rivero. Alexis is 2 years younger and both finished the season in CLW. Alexis pitched 71 innings and Jesen 63. Jesen had the better ERA: 1.43 vs 2.64. Alexis had the better WHIP: .921 vs 1.063. Alexis had better K/9 and BB/9: 8.4 & 2.3 versus 7.7 & 2.4 respectively. Alexis had 10 saves and Jesen had 5.

    They are both nice pitchers. Jesen is Canadian so that requires a little patience and maybe this year he hit his stride. The comparison is a little unfair but the two may be intertwined throughout their careers in the Phils organization.

    Jesen’s other competitors are Joey Denato (23), who had a taste of AAA simply because they needed a reliever who wasn’t in a playoff situation, Edubray Ramos (22), who moved fast all the way to AA by the end of the season, and Ulises Joaquin, who became the primary save guy for CLW throughout most of the season. Jesen won’t get many or any votes for top 30 but as an under-the-radar guy who popped onto the radar this year, he’s a nice prospect. If he keeps improving, he could see Philly in the future but for now he’s mixed in with a bunch of other talented relievers who have a better chance of seeing Philly.

    1. I got to see Therrien pitch several times this season for Clearwater. He impressed me by consistently keeping the ball down with what I would call crisp pitches.

      As Bellman points out, there are several other relievers he’ll have to contend with. It should be fun to watch.

  2. over the aeons there have been comments on whether the phillies lack of drafted talent reaching the majors is poor drafting or poor developmental work, and while I had thought that there had been a spattering of very positive comments about Ray Burris as pitching coach at LHV I was wondering whether there are any perceptions about improvements being still NEEDED in minor league coaching, and improvements having being MADE in minor league coaching.

    1. The prospect that will be of interest to me is Alberto Tirado. Maybe, just maybe we have a top of the line pitcher (if someone can teach him to pitch).Wouldn’t that be a nice return for Revere!

  3. Therrien is definitely in the group of relief pitchers who could be in Philly by 2017. I would also include Roibal to the list above, in addition to Windle. I think this year’s draft had a few interesting arms also in addition to some young latin kids on the GCL squad. There are lots of good arms to hold the fort in the pen by 2017 (the year we hope to win 81 games again) on.

  4. As far as non-top 30 players I will be interested in following next year: Gabriel Lino will probably be a Major League catcher, but has spent his time with the Phillies under the radar. And of course I cant wait to see what Jay Ortiz does in the GCL.

    As for players at the end of the top 30, I’m really looking forward to big leaps from Jonathan Arauz and Sam McWilliams, next year. Arauz had the best season of any 16 year old the Phillies have ever sent to the GCL (other than maybe Domingo Santana). Sam McWilliams up’d his velocity to mid-90’s over the past season, and with him being young and 6’7, there is probably more to come.

    1. Sammy Mac suffered some sort of unspecified injury toward the end of the GCL season and was shut down. He said he felt fine and expected to throw during Instructs. But, these kids think they are indestructible, and always think they will return sooner than is realistic. I hope to see him with a glove and not one of those “sleeves” on his throwing arm.

      1. I hate to hear that he may be injured. But since there is already news that he is headed to instructional league and hasn’t been shut down, that would indicate it wasn’t a serious injury.

  5. Kiley McDaniel mentioned in his most recent prospects chat on Fangraphs that his No. 1 ranked amateur for the 2016 draft would likely be Blake Rutherford in his next draft preview. He apparently has helium due to his performance this summer. This throws a different wrinkle into the discussion of which high ceiling prospect the Phils could wind up with at 1.1 (should they wind up there). Do you take a CF who can run, throw, hit and hit for power? Or a potential top of the rotation arm?

    I’ve got to admit: I like the idea of taking an everyday player with the first pick if one proves himself worthy this spring.

    (Disclaimer: wasn’t sure whether to put this in Gen Disc or here. As it dealt with prospects, albeit ones who are not yet on the Phils, I chose here.)

    1. All things being equal, I’d rather take the position player, if he is legitimately a top 3 talent. I’d definitely select the position player over the HS arm.

    2. Then a few minutes later Kiley McDaniel writes:

      1:05
      Comment From Dave
      Phillies fan thinking of the future question: what pitcher would you take #1 if the 2016 MLB draft was today?

      1:05
      Kiley McDaniel: LHP AJ Puk from Florida, but that’s still muddled for now, lots of guys in the mix.

      1. I always get very, very nervous about high school position players. If the player doesn’t hit good breaking stuff or does not have the ability to make adjustments, you can have a total bust on your hands. Although, all things being equal, I’d prefer a young stud position player over a young stud hitter, in most cases, I think it’s a little easier to project the high school pitcher as compared with the high school hitter. You know that one or two of these guys are going to be perennial all-stars, maybe even more of them, but several will be huge disappointments. They have to nail it.

          1. We will see how things go, but if the rankings remain similar (nobody emerges as THE guy), my guess is they go with a player like Groome. High school lefty with power stuff – it’s kind of hard to argue with that and it just sound like the Phillies kind of pick.

            1. Although, with the new regime, it’s hard to know what a “Phillies” pick will look like going forward.

            2. Andy MacP may have doubts…….the entire draft history LHP HSer first picks is poor….though there were only three, David Clyde, Brien Taylor and technically unsigned Astros pick Brady Aiken,
              They will have a decision to make. Groome will probably get to the majors in 2018 or 2019, normally after 300/350 IPed in the minors. Puk may get to the majors in 2017 if he is anything like Nola. And coming out of one of the best conferences in collegiate baseball, he may have a slight edge. Plus the track record, ie David price, is there also. .

      2. I’m going Rutherford all the way with the 1 pick. Everything I’ve read says he is a legit next Trout or Harper. He is the guy you hope to have the #1 pick for.

        1. DMAR……it would be great to draft a kid if he is a Trout/Harper clone. But think MacPhail is leaning pitching since he already said they were ‘thin’ there. But you never know.

    3. Mike, I think this is the better spot for prospect discussion, even potential draft picks. Gen Disc was a concession to people who want to talk about the Phillies. That’s the type of discussion we try to keep out of all the prospect threads.

  6. Cornelius Randolph came in #5 on the top GCL prospects.

    1. Anderson Espinoza
    2. Victor Rob!es
    3. Kyle Tucker
    4. Daz Cameron
    5. Cornelius Randolph

    18. Adonis Medina
    20. Jonathan Arauz

    1. Wow…didn’t realize there was someone rated ahead of the Nat’s kid Robles!
      That Espinoza must be something else.
      I guess Tucker and Cameron had better ‘eye-on’ talent more so then Cornelius…..metrics favor Randolph.

    2. The BA article notes that this was the best year, talent-wise, the GCL has had in awhile. Pretty cool to see Medina and Arauz only a couple spots down from guys who were first round picks this year.

    3. Interesting how much reputation carries a player. Tucker was pretty much a bust in the GCL with a slash of .208/.267/.317/.584. He posted 2-18 with a double and 5 K against the Phillies. I saw 3 of those games. In one he went 0-4 with 3 K, one each against Shane Watson, Adonis Medina, and Horace Stubblefield.

      1. Rep does seem to go a long way in the ratings game, though mostly in the initial stages of a prospect..
        The national publication ‘scouts’…. the .Badlers, McDaniels, Laras, Laws, Callis’…..give much deference to the traditional team affliation scouts.
        The ones who selected and scouted prospects and selected high on their respective draft boards.
        At some point along the way, the prospects though will need to show why he was drafted or bonus that high.

  7. I think David Clyde was a Righty, so I don’t think there has ever been a HS LHP taken 1.1. However, Groome is supposed to be special. I think that the season has to play out, and both or neither could continue to show they deserve to go #1. Whichever stand out, and if it turns out to be Pint or Hansen, I think the Phils pick is a Pitcher.

  8. Romus, you are absolutely correct, and I should not have questioned that! Hopefully, there are at least of couple of those Pitchers who have great years and the Phils brain trust can have a choice.

    1. matt13……seems everyone has a favorite on who the Phillies should select number one next year. I like to look at it this way, if it is a pitcher.
      1. Puk maybe David Price
      2. Groome maybe Clayton Kershaw
      3. Pint maybe Justin Verlander
      4. Hansen maybe Matt Harvey

      More or less cannot lose.

      1. The reality? One and maybe two will reach their potential. One will get hurt and one and maybe two will be a bust. But nobody know who will fit into each category. The college guys will be a somewhat lower risk, but may have less upside.

      2. Nice read on Groom courtesy of the Inquirier

        http://articles.philly.com/2015-08-22/news/65710886_1_img-academy-school-baseball-vanderbilt

        My prediction? Phillies take Puk first overall (1-1). Groome, after a middling senior season at Barnegat, reinforces his commitment to Vandy, and the Phillies sign him for top 10 money in 2-1.

        I’m more realistically just hoping that either or both of Puk and Hansen have big seasons. Puk in particular was hardly dominating in the opening month or two of 2015 so we will need to reinforce any claim to be drafted at 1-1. I’d love to get Groome but the Phillies really need to hit the mark to help a system which lacks a true front line starter type (though Kilome is flirting with that distinction). Begs the question – Is a high schooler too risky if comparable collegians are available? I’d say yes

  9. BA’s Ben Badler on Phillies and their prospects from the GCL:
    Dan (Atlantic City): How highly respected is Sal Agostinelli in the scouting world? He keeps finding gems despite a somewhat limited budget (outside of this year’s Ortiz signing).

    Ben Badler: Very highly. And if you saw today, he won the organization’s Dallas Green award today. Carlos Ruiz, Carlos Carrasco, Maikel Franco, Domingo Santana, Galvis and Hernandez on the big league team, other guys scattered across other big league teams, and the next wave of guys coming with Tocci, Kilome, Medina, Arauz and probably more I’m leaving out off the top of my head is impressive for a team that, like you said, hasn’t been giving out 7-figure deals outside of Ortiz and Luis Encarnacion.

    JW (CA): Like to see Randolph and Arauz from the Phillies on the GCL list – any other Phillies considered?

    Ben Badler: A few other names came up from them as longer-range projection types, including Ranger Suarez. He’s a 6-foot LHP with excellent command of an 88-92 mph fastball, hows how to mix and match his stuff and locate his stuff on the edges of the plate and at the bottom of the zone. Not going to blow you away with stuff but a savvy pitcher who could sneak up through the minors and become a back-end starter.

    x (Philly): What kind of upside does Arauz have?

    Ben Badler: I have a hard time putting an upside or a ceiling on someone when they just turned 17 years old, because even the physical tools like speed and arm strength can improve at that age. I don’t expect Arauz to be a high impact player, but he’s a smart, steady player who will play somewhere in the infield with an advanced bat. Nothing flashy—Gamboa is a quicker twitch guy with more tools but more crudeness to his game—but an instinctive player who won’t have the loudest tools on the field but could have the bat to be an everyday guy up the middle.

  10. Asher and Eickhoff pitched nice games and lose. The problem is who they are playing. It seems like the Phils have played the bottom of the barrel teams for weeks. Red Sox, Atlanta and the Marlins nearly every night with some teams fighting for their playoff lives sandwiched in between. I’m not sure we’re getting a good read on these guys. Asher, last night, was the only hitter too but is he a 3 hitter type of pitcher who can hold good teams to 2 or fewer runs? It’s nice to have these guys but are they Pettibone and Buchanan type of pitchers or do they have higher upsides. They’ll get a couple of years to figure it out because the Phils will be switching from rebuilding to contending in 3 years (hopefully). I’m assuming Asher and Eickhoff will be top 30 eligible this year but not next year. Choose wisely my friends and stay thirsty.

    1. The Red Sox have the 3rd most runs scored in baseball so they’re not an easy lineup to face. Eickhoff has made 6 starts: one against ATL and one against MIA, both of which he dominated. But he also faced the Mets twice, the Cubs once and the Red Sox once, so he has seen good offensive teams. In 24 IP against those three teams, he walked 8, struck out 19 and allowed 13 ER, but the start against Boston was a total disaster. He shut down the Cubs and was solid against the Mets.

      To me Eickhoff looks like a very safe bet to be a #4 (which should get him pretty high placement on a prospect list by itself, if he’s eligible). If he can improve his changeup, he could be a little better than that.

      Asher is a different case because he doesn’t seem to have any secondary pitches as good as Eickhoff’s curveball, or maybe even as good as Eickhoff’s slider. I think Asher is a #5 if he can locate better.

  11. I believe that Eickhoff is clearly someone with a higher ceiling than the Buchanan/Pettitbone type, and I have hopes for Asher as well. I am not saying that Asher is in the rotation if this team ever gets to the playoffs again, but he can pitch on a .500 ballclub. That makes him, alone, a better return than the Phils got for Cliff Lee.

  12. Franklyn Kilomw is the #5 prospect in the NYPL.
    It must have been a down year in the NYPL, Jose Pujols was #13 and Josh Tobias was #19.

    1. And Kilome lost innings to a muscle strain (rib cage, I think). His effectiveness probably took a slight hit while he pitched himself back into shape upon his return. Imagine how much more impressive his season might have been without the injury.

  13. It’s the local kid all the way. Saw Groome in person when he was 15 and he was sitting 93-94 with solid command and control. Secondary pitches were advanced as well. The ball just exodes outta his hand with what can only be called ZERO effort . I’ve talked to some scouts and coaches who think he can be Kershaw with more upside, WITH MORE UPSIDE!!! Also heard he’s a better prospect then Aiken was pre injury concerns. Id go with Groome every day and twice on Sunday

  14. Glad to read Maikel Franco hit a triple in yesterday’s instruct game.
    And Roman Quinn doing well also.
    Hopefully Franco’s wrist is fully healed, along with Quinn’s leg issues..

    1. I was wondering how Maikel Frsnco’s wrist was progressing because the Phillies don’t offer that information usually. I hope his wrist is healed properly and he has a productive Winter League and continues his MLB improvement in 2016. He is a key building block for the Phillies in the future.

      1. I can only assume him playing yesterday is indication it is healed.
        Still bothers me what D-Back pitcher Jeremy Hellickson did to him as just the third batter in the game..

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