Reader Top 30 #17 – Deivi Grullon

Cameron Rupp narrowly edges Deivi Grullon for #16

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19 thoughts on “Reader Top 30 #17 – Deivi Grullon

  1. A little surprised w/ Rupp. Guess it’s because he’s close to MLB ready. He certainly doesn’t have the upside of the others left. I’ll stick w/ Sandberg for the 3rd time.

  2. We all know how much Adam Morgan’s stock has dropped because of injuries, but let’s not forget his potential.

    Just last year, he was our 6th best prospect on and some scouts even preferred him to Jesse Biddle.

    Even with the injuries, his floor and ceiling is still high, and he can develop into a solid starter.

    1. Unfortunately, with the injury, his floor is pretty much zero. It’s too early to tell how much the ceiling has changed. Certainly losing a year hurts it at least a little, even if he has a full recovery.

  3. Grullon for the 3rd time. A few years ago I would have been more of a Rupp guy, but as time goes by I seem to find myself favoring ceiling more than I used to.

    1. It’s a proximity issue. He looks good and promising, but he’s a really long way away at this point. Rupp could end up being a very good backup and might even be a starter – but he’s a major leaguer. That’s nothing to sneeze at. Grullon will rise higher if he continues to perform like this.

      1. Thats why Rupp has been getting my vote the last few times. Rupp is going to put up major league WAR. Is grullon. Who knows. but if he gets there he should be good. Proximity should have a big pull on who gets a vote. expecially someone like Rupp who plays a premium defensive position with some pop.

        1. I went with Grullon over Rupp because I have to squint pretty hard to see Rupp as a possible starting C. It looks like he’ll have a tough time keeping his OBP above .300 in the majors, which would limit him to a backup role. Grullon’s defense seems like it should carry him pretty high up the minor league ladder, so he’s probably a safer bet than most players his age.

  4. Changed my vote to Cord Sandberg (from Knapp). If Law likes him THAT much, it tells me something. Knapp next, but Grullon is a heck of a nice little prospect.

  5. Can I vote for Nick Foles? I mean, he’s Nick Foles, right? He’s got to be able to play baseball and play it well.

  6. Sandberg again. I hate this, it happens every year, I get stuck voting on one guy for days and days, and I run out of things to say.

    That said: Adam Morgan? I’m sorry, but no. The guy is about to turn 24, he has the sort of injury that has been known to end major league careers.

    1. He’s also reached levels that we can only project to some of these guys. You would remove Morgan from your Top 30 altogether because of his injury? Seems kind of harsh. Morgan was a top 100 prospect when healthy. I doubt you could ever say the same over the next 5 years about most of the guys on this list

      1. The list is supposed to be a projection of his potential going forward. It shouldn’t weigh his past performance one way or another if it appears unlikely he will ever be able to return to that level. And just a correction: I don’t think Morgan was ever on any Top 100 prospect lists. Biddle was our only consensus Top 100 guy last year, I think Quinn might have sneaked onto some lists, but I don’t think I saw Morgan. Baseball America ranked him our #5 Prospect last year, BP #3, and Keith Law had him #1–but that was as much an indictment of the system of a whole in Law’s opinion as it was an aggressive endorsement of Morgan.

        I could certainly see an argument for ranking Morgan in the 20-30 range, based on the possibility that the shoulder thing turns out to be less severe than it sounds, he’s able to get back on the field this year and start making up for lost development time. If he’s back at full strength this time next year, you could see him starting the season at AAA as a 25-year-old, and who knows, lots of good things can happen from there. But there’s a lot of “ifs” in that sentence. It doesn’t give me any pleasure knock him down, but that’s the situation as I see it.

        1. Keith Law had Morgan 92 and Biddle 95.

          Also I don’t think it’s just about potential for these lists. It’s about potential plus your likelihood to reach that potential.With Morgan the only major question mark he has right now is his injury. Granted, it’s a sizeable one but look at the other side of the coin here. Some of these lower level guys may have some tools to work with but the caveats to a lot of them are “if they can ever learn how to play baseball and put their tools together.” Plus they’re all injury risks as they toil away in the minors.

          I like having high potential lottery tickets like Tocci, Sandberg, etc but a lot of the time as we see these lottery ticket guys progress their tools come into focus more and the tools aren’t as good as we thought they were originally or they just aren’t very good at baseball.

          I’d like to note that Morgan was not without his upside as a 3/4 starter and pre-injury he was all but destined to hit the majors last year ahead of guys like Pettibone and Martin. For me it comes down to whether you think a guy is more likely to recover from a significant injury and return to form or if you think a guy is more likely to realize all his tools as he progresses through the minor league system and avoid injury along the way.That’s what we have to weigh when we talk about some of these injured prospects near the top level when comparing them to the high beta guys

  7. Shane Watson for me at #17. Shane sounds like he is ready for a year of pitching after Jun. That is good enough for me.

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