Reader Top 30 #23 – Andrew Pullin

Andrew Pullin and Mitch Walding were separated by only two votes so we have a runoff for #22 and #23.

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48 thoughts on “Reader Top 30 #23 – Andrew Pullin

  1. I took Walding and what appears to be a much higher ceiling. Pullin probably has a better chance of making the majors, but I Walding has some intriguing upside and many of the scouts just love him. Given that neither play has proximity going for him and both have warts, I’ll take the upside.

  2. Remind me what’s exciting about a 0.635 OPS hitter? Pullin had a nice year, this shouldn’t be close.

      1. That doesn’t excite me at all. Batting practice power is the cheapest skill in baseball. You swing really hard with a natural upper cut swing against a pitcher who isn’t trying to get you out. Doing it against a real pitcher is another story entirely. Why don’t we just evaluate the ceiling of hitters by letting them hit off a tee? It makes about as much sense as raving about ‘batting practice power’.

        1. He said Walding’s hitting ability reminded him of Nolan Arenado, if that doesnt excite you than idk what does.

          1. I don’t even understand what that means. He has the same bat flick? He looks like him, but from the other side? He saw him on a hot streak, he tailed off considerably after that. He will be like Arenado when he hits like Arenado. Really, I think this guy just fell in love with his batting practice. That’s the first thing he mentions. Then the bat flick reminds him of somebody else he’s seen. There is a danger in evaluating a guy based on one good game. Walding’s OPS dropped 200 points from the time this reviewer saw him. He may take off this year, at which point I’ll rank him a lot higher. For now, he’s a guy with a .634 OPS. Possibly NYP league was simply a bridge too far for him in his first season. We’ll know more this time next year. Meanwhile, he’s simply a big guy, a fifth rounder, and a guy with some tools he hasn’t harnessed yet.

            1. It’s true that Newman saw him on a hot streak and based a lot on batting practice. He said himself that it didn’t translate perfectly in-game. But other scouts have said similar things, so this wasn’t a one-day thing.

      2. People talk about scouts raving about Walding, but I think that’s based disproportionately, though not entirely, upon that one article.

        Which isn’t to say that I think that this is a clear call one way or the other; it’s a close vote because it should be a close vote. I somewhat discount Pullin’s better numbers for reasons which others have stated – SSS in short season ball, and BABIP driven. The first three performance metrics I look at for minor league hitters are K%, BB%, and ISO, and the two prospects are remarkably similar in those metrics.

        I don’t necessarily think that Walding has a higher ceiling. Maybe slightly higher as a hitter because his frame suggests he may be more likely to develop some power, but positionally Pullin has an edge. Yes, that assumes he can make the transition to 2B, but we are talking ceiling here.

        Slight edge to Pullin for me, but I can certainly see the case for Walding.

        1. There isn’t that much difference between 3B and 2B.

          A quick look around the net shows that fangraphs and Tango Tiger apply the same positional adjustment to 2B/3B, while BR gives a 1-run edge to 2B.

          When you factor in that Pullin is a little shaky at 2B whereas Walding should be fine at 3B, I would give the positional edge to Walding if anyone.

    1. Cody Asche’s OPS as Williamsport was .537 in a limited number of ABs, and he was two years older. Sometimes players have the tools but need to adjust to the professional game.

  3. Andrew Pullin this round. After this, Kenny Giles, B Colvin, Mitchell Walding then Gabriel Lino.

    1. Do you have Diekman on your list? I think a reliever who is going to pitch in the big leagues this year is a better prospect than one who will be in AA.

      1. I agree. Although I think consideration has to go into ceiling. If you think Diekman will just be a LOOGY, even a good one, and Giles might be a closer, then I can see ranking him ahead. Personally I think Giles has a lot to prove before he gets hit with that ceiling, based on his age and walk numbers, and a I think Diekman could be a set-up guy if he reaches his full potential.

      2. No, I do not have Diekman on my top 30.
        I do not rate relievers who I perceive as having non-closer celings, as serious prospects. The only relievers in the system, in my top 40, are Aumont, De Fratus and Giles. The rest are ‘throw away’ arms and ‘cup of coffee’ guys, IMO.
        I rate all starting pitchers, position players (who have ceilings of regulars) and closer types as significant prospects. Middle relief and LOOGYs are low value players, IMO. Deikman is a LOOGY. It doesn’t matter to me that he is close to making the roster. He, along with Rosenberg, Knigge and Friend, have little value.

      1. Asche was a college guy tinkering with the mechanics of his swing and playing out of position. Not saying we should put too much weight in either guy’s SS numbers, but to make that comparison, to me anyway, doesn’t prove much.

      2. This is true and that’s why I don’t think anyone saw Asche making the jump he did from last year to this year. You can’t say “well walding had better numbers than Asche had in SS and Asche made a ridiculous jump, so therefore Walding will make a similar jump”. A lot of guys had better numbers than Asche in SS, and almost all of them will fail to put up the numbers he did in high A and AA. Now I know it isn’t the same situation b/c Walding is younger and the scouting reports on him are very positive, I just don’t think there’s any point in comparing Walding and Asche’s SS stats.

    1. If that remains true after this year, your point is well taken. But at this stage, the scouting reports are, to me, more important than mediocre results of a young player in short season ball.

    2. If you base that kind of logic on first year rookies that come right out of high school on hitting low A ball a lot of our Big Leaguers would of never made it.And as far as Walding being able to hit I think he did hit pretty well out the gate it just kind of fizzled.

  4. I took Pullin, because he has shown that he can actually hit. Walding has tools, but threatens to join a long list of Phillies toolsy HS position players who never could learn to hit. Yes, they are both distant from the majors, but I give Pullin a much higher probability of success. His bat plays very well at 2B.

  5. Pullin for me now in FEB13. Walding wouldn’t be the first prospect however to have a rough year and turn it around. I think there are issues with his swing that if corrected could allow him to rocket up the boards.

    1. Perfectly true. If he does that, I’ll move him way up my list next year, as I did this year. Hey, if Walding had the tools that scouts generally projected into a quality major league 3B, he would have been drafted before the end of the 5th round. Yes scouts like him, but it was a sort of cool like. That doesn’t mean he can’t succeed. It means he needs to put up some numbers to earn a high rating on my top 30 list.

      1. His draft position was at least partially caused by what was believed to be a solid college commitment.

        1. Didn’t they wind up paying him a pretty nice chunk of change to buy him out of that…$800K unless I am mistaken. Ouch!

      2. Walding being drafted in the 5th round was based on his commitment to Oregon. He got more money in the 5th round than Roman Quinn got in the 2nd round. And I don’t know what issues your talking about on his swing. The scouts seem to love his swing.Adjusting to the higher level of pitching is what he will need to do.Also Walding was drafted as a Short Stop but out grew that position when he checked in at 6’4 . Apperantly the Phillies do not believe in tall Short Stops. He fits perfect at 3rd.

        1. This is just my opinion but I think his swing is a little long, I think he is not getting inside the ball. I think he is compensating to get to FB’s he wasn’t used to seeing and early in the season he was feasting on them but as the season went on the breaking pitches started getting better is when he struggled.

          Having said that I hope you’re right and I am wrong…

        2. Are you like related to this kid. Every single comment on here from you is about how great Walding is and how the Phillies “are happy with him, and how they love how he is progressing.” Hey parents love their kids, I get that but I dont believe you can be objective about what everyone else sees.

          1. If your are so objective why do you post under Anonymous & as far as seeing what everone else sees. The scouts see good things on Walding but you with all your Major League Knowledge see nothing but bad based on one short season. Why don’t you post under a real name so I know who to go back to at the end of the year and have you eat crow.And no I’m not a family member but I do know and like the kid..

            1. For the record, everyone who posts this is anonymous. Just because you have a screen name doesn’t make your opinion any more valid. It also doesn’t make those who don’t a troll. Seems that you just want a name so you can call someone out which is just as immature as the “anonymous” comment directed at you. But you have a name so now I know who to call immature and petty

            2. Just for the record your the one who question my post, so if anyone is inmature it s you. But I’m glad I have your attention. Look foward to questioning & correcting your future post, because I know they will be rarely right. And for the record I also like Zach Green another local boy, so I hope you don’t think he is related to me to..

      3. Pullin was also drafted in the 5th round so what are you saying? I’m starting to think you have a hatred for Walding.

          1. Wait, now I’m confused who you were replying to. Either way, what I said is true. Don’t know if I’m on your side or not, though I think I am.

            1. Pullin needs to sue his representation for malpractice. He was rated higher than Cozens and Z Green, but settled for 5th round slot.

  6. I have seen neither of them play at all, so I just made up future projections to base my opinion.

    I am pulling for Pullin (ha ha). I figure he will be a scrappy type player who does about everything average: hitting, power, speed, fielding, arm. He has to stay at 2nd to be anything more than a backup.

    But, if i had to make a trade, I’d rather give up Pullin than Walding. Walding has upside to be an above average 3B (still a step down from 2B though) and hit will above average power, even for a 3B. He will have less speed but I think the power potential gives him a chance to be an above average 3B.

    Of course I also think Tyler Greene has a chance to bounce back this upcoming season.

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