114 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 8 August 2011

    1. Can we add a wow for Mathieson there too. Zagurski putting a blemish on a superb LHV pitching performance

  1. i hate to be that guy to bring it up, but you can’t tell me rich thompson wouldn’t help the ML team more than Ben Francisco. With all hes done, I think he deserves a chance to show that he can maybe spend 1 or 2 years of his career as a 5th outfielder/pinch runner at the major league level.

    1. Ben Francisco is a much better hitter than Rich Thompson. Thompson is a better defensive center fielder and a better base runner, but Francisco is in the majors for his bat, and he is an average fielder, has an average arm, and is an average base runner.

    2. Why the hate? I agree with you. Francisco is a one-dimensional player who’s average to below average in nearly every area. At the very least, Thompson brings a better glove and speed, two criteria that can be used to our benefit in late games.

      I’ll say it again, chances of Francisco making the post-season roster are prob less than 50/50 and he has no chance of being offered arbitration. Good guy and I wish he was able to lay claim to RF. I think it’s a certainty that he’ll be with another organization next season

  2. •The Phillies have signed seventh-round pick Kenny Giles to a contract with a $250K bonus, reports Baseball America’s Jim Callis. Giles, a high-schooler who had committed to the University of Arizona, “has touched 99 mph with his fastball.”

      1. This comment got me thinking – how would we react today if Schilling were in our system? He only had one minor league season that showed he might be a future star, and that was at low-A (when he was 20). The rest of his minor league work shows good ERAs but poor strikeout rates (believe it or not). He didn’t have his first full season in the majors until he was 25, and that only happened because the Phils sucked and took a chance on a guy with stuff. He didn’t have his first real “Schill the Thrill” season until 1995 when he was 28.

        I just think we would have said things like “future reliever, move him to the pen already” and “not a prospect” on this board when he was 23 in AAA with a good ERA but a K/9 of 5.3. I think this is why you always have to give guys with tools or stuff lots of chances to succeed.

        1. Think you need to take a 2nd look at Schilling’s minor league numbers. at 23 in AAA his strikeout/9 rate was 8.6 and he had already made his ML debut 2 years before. He was 5.3 at the age of 22 in AAA which was his longest AAA stretch.(according to baseball reference website). I would guess if we had a hard thrower holding his own in AAA at the age of 22 most people would consider him a prospect.

          We have a 28-year old hard thrower in AAA ball today that people still believe is a budding ML starter.

  3. Aumont moving up the prospect rankings..he has been real strong at Lehigh Valley..overall his is 1-5 2.22 ERA 7 saves with 65Ks/17BB in 44 2/3 innings. Buchanan with another nice start at Clearwater. He should move up to Reading next yr with the the others. James with the walk off single. Lakewood with a nice comeback. Rupp and Franco with two hits apiece. Murphy hits 22 Hr for single season record at Lakewood.

  4. Aumont looks like he’s adjusted to AAA. He’s only allowed 5 baserunners in his last 9 innings, and he’s got a fantastic 24/6 K/BB ratio overall.

    Wow, Cameron Rupp is all the way up to .278 now. A .355 OBP is respectable too. He’s probably old for Lakewood but after how bad he was at the start of the season that’s fairly impressive.

    I wonder if Shreve’s stuff is playing up out of the bullpen. It seems like strikeouts have been much easier to come by lately. Hope he’s sucessful in Clearwater.

    1. Shreve has been unbelievable since June. On June 30, he gave up 4 runs in an outing where he took the loss. Since then he’s pitched 24 innings, given up 1 ER, has 31Ks and 3 BBs. He went the entire month of July without giving up an ER. The change corresponds with his K/BB ratio. In June and prior he had 34 Ks and 24 BBs. Since then 31/3. Young pitchers everywhere should take notice, If you don’t help your opponent by putting guys on base, those guys won’t score.

  5. Two hits for Franco and a hit and walk for Santana.
    Nice start for Buchanan.
    Great start for Mathieson tonight and a great relief appearance for Aumont.

  6. Mathieson is gaining value as a starter again. He may be the Phillies #7 starter right now, behind Kendrick, ahead of Hyatt. I’d like to see him decrease his walk rate, but he’s been tough to hit, gets lots of strikeouts, and he has averaged 6 IP per his last 3 starts.

    1. He (Mathieson) should compete for the 5th spot in the rotation next year. He still has a very interesting upside – he’s just been delayed by about 4 years because of injuries. If he develops decent command of his breaking stuff there’s no telling what he could do.

      As for Aumont, I cannot wait to see him pitch. It’s hard to believe that this is the same guy who was scuffling last year in Clearwater. If they are smart, they will promote him and give him time to fill a spot on the postseason roster. It is so cool to see all the young relief pitchers we’ve been watching for a few years mature at the same time – and not a moment too soon. I still think they will sign Madson and it’s certainly not a bad move since he is now an elite reliever but, truth be told, I don’t think that is really necessary.

      1. Mathieson is a nice story but he’s not making the Phillies rotation as a 5th, 6th, or 7th starter come 2011. He best hope is to catch on somewhere as a ML FA and get the opportunity somewhere else.

    2. Mathieson was DFAd this weekend. Given how long he’s been around, and granted I’m doing no research on this, but I can’t believe he won’t be a minor league free agent this winter. If that is the case, I would shocked if he chose to come back.

      1. You can believe he won’t be a minor league free agent if he remains on the MLB roster. If a player began play in 2005 or earlier and not on 40 man they are scheduled to be minor league free agents. Philly- repeater Fidel Hernandez, also new additions: Tim Kennelly, James Gosewisch, Derrick Mitchell, and if not carried on 40 man rosters: Harold Garcia,
        Scott Mathieson, Mike Zagurski, and John Mayberry. Drew Naylor also. Maybe a few of the newer signees recently also.

        1. He probably was promised a September call up.

          People do not think of it but he is probably working on a percentage of a post season share. If the Phillies go all the way it could be worth $300,000. By waiting until the season is over to gain FA status or be traded, he probably stands to gain $100,000 in added bonus.

  7. I heard that Dubee was bouncing around the idea of a six man rotation. I think Mathieson is really opening some eyes in the Phillies front office and maybe this is his chance. Some might say Kendrick would be the sixth starter but Kendrick is valuable as a long man out of the pen.
    Aumont also is doing amazing. He could be called up soon. The Phillies feel like they need to round out their bullpen.

      1. LOL, right. The move into the rotation was a bit of a headscratcher for me. If he’s unsuccessful out of a bullpen role which requires only two pitches, how could he have continued success in a starters’ role?

        I don’t think the switch was about giving Mathieson another shot at starting. I think LV had a need, and Mathieson fit the bill. This was more a result of the Phils brass giving up on him that interest in seeing him start a few games. I agree with Jumpin, he’ll be somewhere else next season

        1. Reportedly, Scotty asked before the season if he might have the opportunity to start again. He was told ‘no.’ Circumstances, plus I’m sure the successful transition for Brian Gordon, changed the answer, and he was more than happy to oblige. It was the day they were visiting the hof that he was approached about his continued interest in starting….

      2. Actually, I think there are some answers to this question. Mathieson throws hard, but his fastball is straight so he needed to throw more breaking pitches. Oddly, his breaking stuff is not that bad, but he lacks consistency. When he starts, he gets more repetition and he appears to get more comfortable as the game goes on. Additionally, he appears to have excellent stamina, so he does not lose a lot a lot of velocity as the game goes on. In other words, like Justin Verlander, he appears to throw as hard as a starter as he does as a reliever – which is not a common trait.

        And it’s not that odd for a starting pitcher to be better in that role than in a relief role. How good would Cole Hamels or Roy Halladay be as relief pitchers? I think nowhere near as good. Their effectiveness comes from getting into a rhythm and setting up hitters over many innings.

          1. And that is irrelevant to the fact that they both have the endurance to maintain the speed of said fastball, whether it be straight or curvy.

            1. ……so in the 7th inning Mathieson is throwing a straight heater at 97 and JV is throwing the same but breaking down and away/in on the batter—I guess that is irrelevant!!!!
              They both have stamina but different results.

      3. I don’t think he’s ever been given the chance to show he can’t be an effective major league relief pitcher. I concede at this point that the Phillies don’t think he can be, but I strongly believe that AAA numbers translate pretty consistently to the bigs, and given a big enough sample size, I am pretty confident Mathieson would indeed be a competent, if not stopper-material, big league reliever.

        1. “the Phillies don’t think he can be”. I think that’s the key. While I don’t doubt he could have ‘some’ success as a reliever, I think it will be elsewhere. There’s something going on there that has the brass thinking he cannot contribute. Perhaps something not evident by even avid followers of the franchise. At this point he’s clearly fallen out of favor and I suspect he will part ways this offseason.

          1. I think Phils have always delayed or aborted Scotty’s ML stints, waiting for him to get more effective with his braking stuff. They don’t see that process completed yet. Sometimes it’s there, sometimes not. Then Scotty expressed some displeasure at times, think he was dominant at AAA and warranted an extended audition, I am speculating a bit there, but the idea fits. Phils are 50-50 with Scotty. Still some upside, so they don’t want to cut him loose. But they see the cup half empty, not half full.

    1. I believe that when Oswalt went down, Amaro said something to the effect of “Mathieson would have gotten the start if he had been stretched out.” It is certainly an odd situation, but I get the feeling the organization does not want to let him walk. I guess we’ll see.

  8. I think the next time Mathieson next pitches a significant game in the majors it wll be in someone else’s uniform.

  9. The VSL seasion is over. DSL has a few games to go. Interesting guy in the DSL. At first blush, Gregorio Santos is a young kid having a lousy rookie season in the DSL but if you look a little deeper… He’s 18, 6’3″ right-hander with a 5.76 ERA but look at his last 3 games, 2 as a starter. He hasn’t given up one ER in his last 14 innings. Over that stretch he’s given up 11 H, 1 R and has 9 Ks and 2 BBs. I mention the 1 run because in SA a guy often gives up tons of runs but few are earned. It shows he’s allowing few runs earned or unearned. 14 innings is a small sample but it is worth noting.

  10. Man ever since Aumont started dating the pigs’ bullpen catcher’s sister the guy has been absolutely lights out!

    1. Maybe he started a trend. Does the catcher have other sisters?
      Mathieson frankly I am confused.
      Ruf another HR and a OBP approaching .400 . Time to move?? AFL??

  11. It will be interesting to see if they pull any guys from Reading/LHV because of their playoff push. I know, it’s just the minor leagues, but I wonder if we won’t see some of these guys until later in September until the playoffs end.

  12. If they DL Polanco again does Frandsen get a call up? He has come back very quietly from his suspension and picked up where he left off.

    1. Unlikely. Orr is higher on the list than Frandsen. They’ve also been playing Barfield in the outfield, which leads me to believe they have some sort of a plan for him.

  13. I just dont get it. Idont want to get into it again and write a long involved post, but I just dont get the Scott Mathieson love.

    He has never been successful at the major league level. He is 27. 2 arm injuries. One pitch ( a straight fastball). Has repeatedly been treated like a non-prospect by the Phillies.

    But yet people consider him a real option for the Phillies. Talking about going to a 6 man rotation and calling him up. Haha. Why in the world would they do that?

    It has been a good year, in that the Rizzotti-lovers have slowly but surely faded away. Hopefully we are witnessing the death rattle of the Mathieson-lovers too….

    1. It’s understandable, I think: Mathieson is a former top prospect who has had tremendous success at AAA. He throws hard and can obviously dominate hitters at that level. The success he’s had moving into the rotation shouldn’t surprise anybody.

      The problem is the guy has consistently failed to get anybody out at the major league level. Maybe it’s the lack of movement or the lack of a refined breaking ball, or something we (as non-scouts) are not equipped to answer. It’s just not there for him, and as you’ve pointed out, the Phillies obviously feel this way as well, and have treated him accordingly.

      I’ll be rooting for him wherever he ends up next year, but I wish the Mathieson Truther squad would cool it until he proves something at the next level.

      1. How can anything be “consistent” over 5-6 innings? That is not a significant sample size at all. Literally no conclusions can be drawn from that.

        1. ans333………….2010/2011——check his WHIP—-3 plus for only 6.2 IPs. WHIP for 2006—1.7(which isn’t all that great). Plus he was able to pitch 37 innings, he didn’;t even get to 7 innings in two years–granted 2010 was coming off the 2nd TJ surgery from the previous year.

    2. 97-98 on the radar gun is the reason for the love. Not that I think it’s a good reason, but fans are always attracted to the big fastball. Unfortunately, Mathieson’s is big in all the wrong ways

  14. saw mathieson two weeks ago said he has no breaking balll that he can control. and people said what game was I watching he had a lot of strikeouts on breaking balls. laugh then and laugh now, he is 27 with one pitch,and if you dont have at least a change up or other pitch you are not going to get out big league hitters.

    1. Yeah, the problem with that is that I have actually seen him pitch when his breaking stuff is working and, when he is on, he is lights out. I am not guess on this – I have actually seen him do it.

      I am hopeful because his development has occurred in the most uneven way due to his injuries and then his usage. Until this year (late last year), he did not work on his breaking stuff as much because the team was trying to make him into a back-end reliever out of concern that he might get hurt again.

      And I don’t think they’ve given up him. More than anything, I think they are interested in him but don’t know what to make of him or do with him. They are as puzzled as everyone else.

      1. I don’t think he is in their plans anymore. I think he moves on after the season. He was DFA’d and was optioned back to LV. There is no real interest in him, except as an organizational type pitcher. Command always looks to be an issue at the big-league level. He’s lights-out at AAA, like alot of other pitchers. Moving up is a another story. His time has just about run out with the Phillies organization. Woulnd’t at all be surprised if he is included in a very minor deal for another body.

        1. He might be traded but he’s a lot different than Zagurski and Carpenter because he has much more ability than they do. And the DFA was just a roster adjustment move – not an attempt to set him free.

          1. Some of these posts are really comical, regarding Mathieson’s ability and status with the club.

            1. Yeah, whatever. If people had written the same things about Ryan Vogelsong last year, I’m sure you would have found them amusing too, and Vogelsong is about 5 years old than Mathieson and does not throw as hard. But, yet, a year later, he is, one of the better starting pitchers in a the NL.

              Are we saying that Mathieson is going to develop into an frontline or even middle line pitcher? Not really. The odds are against his being anything more than a lifetime tweener between AAA and the majors. But there’s maybe a 20 percent chance that he develops into a solid major leaguer and a 10 percent chance that he becomes a special pitcher. He reminds me a lot of a young Mike Scott. Scott threw hard, but lacked command and threw the ball straight as an arrow. For about 5 or 6 years he pretty much sucked. But he mastered a splitter and became one of the more dominant pitchers I have ever seen. If Mathieson can throw a decent breaking pitch for strikes, he has some serious potential.

            2. Love the old “if Ryan Vogelsong can do it” argument. I doubt people wrote much about him period since he was stinking it up in AAA-ball, including for the Phillies.

              I would only point out that Ryan Vogelsong was in the major leagues at the age of 22, spent 6 years pitching badly, went to Japan for 3 seasons and is now having a miracle season that beginning to show cracks. As for the Mike Scott reference, I believe Mathieson will need to visit Mike Scott’s medicine chest and also learn how to scuff that splitter.

              Yes, it’s possible Mathieson could be the next great recovery story but its more likely that he will remain in AAAA land.

            3. You are making my point. I agree he most likely ends up in AAAA land. All I am saying is that, with this player, there really is a legitimate possibility he will end up being something more than that.

              As for Scott, he is one example of a hard thrower who found a breaking pitch or improved command of his FB and his career took off. Remember Smoke Stewart? The Phillies released him and he went on to have 4 20-win seasons. There are plenty of others.

            4. I guess if your point is that anyone can suddenly see the light then I certainly can’t argue with your point. Guess I’ll keep the flame burning for Anthony Hewitt 🙂

          2. But the DFA gave anybody the opportunity to claim him, which didn’t happen. There’s no real interest in him by other organizations, even at this time of the year. If there was, someone would have put in a claim on him. Classic example of putting a higher value on a player in the Phillies system, because with know them better and follow them more closely.

  15. Reigning No.1 – OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.315) 1 for 3 with a run, RBI (12), SB (3), BB, K

    Current Mid-season Top 30

    3. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.305) – 1 for 4 with a K
    5. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.267) 1 for 4 with an RBI (32), BB, K
    6. OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.252) – 0 for 4 with 2 runs, SB (28), K
    9. SS – Freddy Galvis (LHV-11/14/89) – (.261) –0 for 4
    10. 3B – Maikel Franco (LWD-8/26/92) – (.208) – 2 for 5 with a run, RBI (4), 2 K
    12. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (LHV-1/7/89) – (0-0, 1.98, 3 SV) – 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K (save)
    13. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.277) – 1 for 5 with an RBI (27), 3 K
    19. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.278) – 2 for 4 with 2 runs, RBI (32), BB
    25. RHP – David Buchanan (CLW-5/11/89) – (1-0, 2.19) – 6.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER,2 BB, 8 K
    29. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.253) –0 for 1 with a run, BB, CS (2), 2 K

    Other names of interest

    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.224) – 1 for 4 with a K
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.246) 0 for 4 with 2 K
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.237) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (16), run, 2 K
    OF – Miguel Alvarez (LWD-8/27/89) –(.268) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (16), RBI (20), K
    RHP – Eric Pettis (CLW-6/9/88) – (2-2, 2.84) –1.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K (win)
    RHP – Garett Claypool (LWD/8/21/88) – (3-7, 3.85) – 4 IP, 7 H, 7 R, 6 ER, BB, 3 K

    1. Like I said before on this subject, if it is a position player who was not drafted last season, what are they waiting for? The players drafted last season, would be eligible to move after August 15, I believe, so there’s that, and they may want to look over a starting pitcher further, before deciding, that would seem to be the only reason for waiting. So, the University of Texas Rupp , I say, a strong possibility, Also , both a starter and drafted last season, Garrett Claypool. Also starters Ervis Manzanillo and Lisalberto Bonilla. Shreve looks out after promotion to Clearwater, but Maybe relievers: Mario Hollands and Tyler Knigge ( also last season draftees) Lendy Castillo, Longshot Chase Johnson.

      1. They might just want to take an extended look at the guys on the list? I don’t think there’s anything strange about that. If it’s Rupp, for instance, maybe they want to see his game-calling over several series, rather than doing an evaluation based on on game.

      2. As I stated before, it is one year from the date you signed your first professional contract. August 15 would only be important if that player was signed on 8/15, which Rupp was not. He was signed much earlier. So, you can drop that from your “predictions.”

        1. Have seen recent articles on MLBTR which seem to imply that August 15 has some significance. Though it is not stated as this in their glossary, the glossary seems to be lifted ver batim from Cot’s and they have ommitted certain pertinent facts before. Therefore I declare this to be indeterminate until the Player to be Named Later is Named. Continue to hope it is one of those vastly overrated by those who simply repeat what another set of vastly overrated types say.

          1. Marfis you called for Rupp to be sent back to Williamsport just 6 weeks ago. You have changed your mind? That was around the same time that you said that Bonafacio is a guy “to hide on your bench” (30SB and .300 avg). LMAO

            1. Don’t recall calling for Rupp to be returned to Williamsport, it doesn’t seem right because they don’t have anyone with even the experience level to replace him. What I say above is that Rupp is a candidate to go to Astros and I would OK that. Doesn’t mean I think he is great.
              What I said about Bonifacio is he is somebody you find a hiding place for on defense, and alot of those defensive numbers favored by many on here backed that up and
              probably still do. In Philly they would not have moved him ahead of any of the veteran infielders, so the bench is where he would have been assigned. The topic was trading for Bonifacio, and they would have had to give something up for him, Marlins had no reason to trade him because he makes only minimum salary, and the defense would not have been to the standard..
              Bonifacio- 3 MLB seasons – 3 different teams. A proposed trade to Philly would have made 4 teams, that says something. Those other teams he went to were all enthusiastic when he arrived, by the end of the season, they could not wait to get rid of him. And despite Bonifacio’s numbers, the defensive shortcomings and other flaws alleged seem to be backed up by the fact the Marlins are not winning. And since the issue back then was a proposal to trade for Bonifacio, the facts were: Bonifacio does not add much toward the actual winning of actual games,despite what some made up numbers may or may not say, Marlins had no reason to trade him because he is useful and makes only a minimum salary, and you would have to trade a prospect or something to get a player not appreciably different from Michael Martinez.

            2. “With regular playing time Michael Martinez will hit as well as Emilio Bonafacio…Bonafacio is someone you find a hiding place for.” Marfis 6/27/11. “They can knock Rupp down to Williamsport because of his hitting issues” Marfis 6/13/11. and more…”Cameron RUpp is now praised to the sky for getting his batting average above his playing weight”. 7/14/11. Your are simply incredible.

      3. Understand Rupp is a UT guy and Texas native, but 24-year old Jason Castro has the position locked up for the ‘Stros for a few years–and then they have a few young guys in AA/A (Wallace and Garcia) who they are high on also—Rupp better go into a two-week slump fast—–he has a better chance reaching the bigs with the Phillies, since Ruiz is 31 or so and Seb Valle still needs to improve his defense more.

    2. I think (hope) Rosenthal is just talking off the top of his head. The Phillies need their outfield prospects and especially need and want Santana. I’d be shocked (and pretty mad) if he’s the extra guy. I think it’s much more likely that it’s a pitcher (Bonilla? Manzanillo?) or Rupp.

  16. Re: Mathieson’s other pitches. Did He abandon the Sutter Split or what? That was a big deal when Sutter was brought in, yet I don’t remember what happened thereafter. Does he still throw it?

  17. Can Santana even be on the list? That’s outrageous. And if he is, what’s with all the waiting around. Who would Wade even consider ahead of him? Rupp? Doubt that.

    1. I agree. If Santana was one of the names on the list, I would find it hard to believe that they’d be waiting this long.

  18. I’m not talking up Mathieson without basis. There was actually an article in which Amaro said that he would have taken over Oswalt’s spot in the rotation if he weren’t needed in the bullpen at the time. Amaro said that he had never seen Scott pitch so well. This surprised me as well. All the points made are valid- straight fastball, inconsistent breaking balls, big arm is not enough to get by. But I did see this quote. And wouldn’t it be amazing to see a beleaguered guy like Scott finally break in to the bigs and have success?
    As far as the PTBNL, I am not a reporter or baseball insider, but the Santana rumor seems ridiculous. We have already given up two elite prospects. Santana, probably because he hasn’t had the success of Singleton or Cosart, is a level below them, but the tools are there for him to be as good. My gut feeling is that the PTBNL will be a guy on a par with Zeid- a reliever like Knigge or Castillo, a throw-in type. I think Rupp is off-limits because he is one of only two legit catching prospects in our system. I also think Bonilla is off-limits because he’s too good of a prospect. That’s my gut feeling.

    1. This news about Amaro doesn’t surprise me. Once the Phillies essentially lock up the division and HF advantage, I could easily see them going to a six man rotation to help rest the big guns for the postseason and, in this scenario, I could see Mathieson as the 6th starter or long reliever. Hopefully, it’s the former.

      1. I would be astonished to see a six man rotation, given that Halladay, Hamels and perhaps Lee are in the running for the Cy Young award and Worley is in the running for the Rookie of the Year award.

    2. I wouldn’t be as surprised to see Rupp on the list given Valle is ahead of him easily as a prospect amdorr advances in the system and younger, or Bonilla, though the Phils may like him and have kept him restricted from the deal. They know way more about him than we do. I just can’t imagine dealing two of your three best position players and the #1 pitcher for Pence, who is quite good and under control, but not a superstar.

  19. My bet is on Lisalberto If they wanted Rupp they would have made that call already. If not Bonilla then I agree it would be someone they drafted last year. I sure hope its not Santana but what are you going to do.

  20. We can almost guarantee that the Phils gave Wade a choice of the PTBNL but withheld several of players from that list. I believe (hope) that Rupp and Santana are on the excluded list.

    1. For sure. But the only name I think we’ve confirmed isn’t on the list is Biddle (duh). And as much as we think we’re experts on the minor leagues, the Astros might have a completely different take on things. Maybe they see Collier as a future MVP, and Santana washing out in AA (or secretly being 24, like some folks here). Maybe the Phillies do. We just don’t know.

      But on a purely statistical basis, Santana has been great, and it would be a big loss in the system, at least from my point of view.

  21. Here is some clarification on Mathieson I found on BA. I didn’t realize he could have chosen to become a free agent immediately.

    The Phillies designated righty Scott Mathieson for assignment last week, and because it was the second time he had been exposed to the process he could have opted for free agency. He elected not to, and accepted an outright assignment to Triple-A Lehigh Valley. (He will qualify for minor league free agency in November if he’s not added back to the 40-man before then.) Used primarily as a reliever in recent years, Mathieson started yesterday and went seven solid innings for the IronPigs against Norfolk, allowing one run on four hits. In seven starts he’s been mostly effective, going 1-1, 2.56 with 41 whiffs in 31 2/3 innings, albeit with 16 walks.

    1. DFA in his case included optional waivers, which he cleared, as essentially everyone does, and he’s on the 40-man still, I believe. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong. Doesn’t that mean essentially he’s a big-leaguer next year until or unless the Phils release him or try to bump him back to AAA? He’d be a real DFA at that point.

    2. And not disputing that he had the option to become a FA this past DFA. That’s a new one to me, but so is a second time through DFA/optional waivers issue. He’s unique, this guy, in many ways.

      1. But the DFA gave anybody the opportunity to claim him, which didn’t happen. There’s no real interest in him by other organizations, even at this time of the year. If there was, someone would have put in a claim on him. Classic example of putting a higher value on a player in the Phillies system, because with know them better and follow them more closely.

        1. That is incorrect. This was not irrevocable waivers. Someone could have chosen him, but the Phillies could have pulled him back. Teams don’t waste the time putting in claims on players that can be pulled back. Having said that, I don’t think Mathieson is a player that other teams place that high of a value as some think. I don’t think he would be missed, but I do think he would be claimed, if he was put on irrevocable waivers.

  22. I don’t believe Santana is on the list. It supposedly doesn’t have any top prospects.

    Kendrick will be getting expensive as a 6th starter and long reliever. Mathis on could be an inexpensive option. Additionally, if Blanton can’t pitch and Oswalt retires Mathiason would be an option as long relief. Let’s see how he doesfrom here. So far, he’s done well as a AAA started.

  23. Austin Hyatt reports to CSNPhilly.Com, “I’m throwing my changeup and slider better than I was a month ago. That’s helped build my confidence a little”. The work he has been doing with pitching coach Bob Milacki has played a big role in Hyatt’s recent success. The pair have been working in the bullpen on refining Hyatt’s grip on his slider and the results speak for themselves. “We’ve found a grip that’s more like my four-seam fastball,” Hyatt said. “It’s slightly off-centered and I’ve been using it and throwing the ball better. It’s more like a cutter than my slider was, with less break. It’s a bit harder and looks more like a fastball coming out as opposed to a slider. “Guys can’t sit on the fastball as much anymore because I’m able to throw that cutter/slider for strikes.”

    1. Must have been before he got shelled tonight. Perhaps the Bowie Baysox saw the article and just figured it out from there.

  24. Houston loves Santana(he is on the list), and if my sources are correct they also love Lisalberto Bonilla(Also on the List) and I think they want a pitching prospect. they will see a few more starts of bonilla if they think bonilla is not that guy they will take santana. Who should we take? I hear Bonilla is a 90-95mph fb with a great change up and a good breaking ball with solid comand or should we go with huge upside of Santana?

  25. Phillies Single-A outfielder Domingo Santana could be an intriguing possibility for the Astros as the player to be named in the Pence trade.

    Santana, 19, is a raw talent with tremendous power, a high-ceiling type who might be worth a shot for the Astros if the Phillies are willing to part with him.

    “Reminds you of Vladdy,” one scout says.

    1. Hmm, I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think Amaro said there is a list of five guys they have to pick from.

      1. Amaro said list of four, and Jason Stark reported around the time of the deal that none of the four is a significant prospect.

        1. Anthony Hewitt may be the guy Ed chooses—–he is a toolsy guy and a former numer one pick! If it truly is not a significant prospect

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