57 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 7 Aug 2011

    1. Wow, a 24 year old, 7 year minor leaguer, batting 270 in AA, is a top 30? Doesn’t say much for the top 30.

      1. No one said he’s a top 10 or 20 prospect, I’m not sure what you expect out of a 30th ranked prospect? His numbers are very similar to Mayberry JRs age 24 season (slightly better but Mayberry Jr was mostly at AAA), I’d give him a decent chance of seeing some time as a 4th outfielder. That’s probably saying more then a lot of systems 30th ranked player. You could swap him out for a younger player with a higher risk/reward ratio if you like.

        1. 5th outfielder upside is not a prospect. Replacement level reliever upside is not a prospect. They are organizational filler. Yes. Replace those types with younger players with more upside.

          1. The thing is that Mitchell was one of those “younger players with more upside” and he seems to be putting it together, albeit late. Huge didn’t say that 4th outfielder was his ceiling, but that it looks like that’s where he has a good chance of panning out. Not quite ceiling, not floor, but in between. And there’s a big difference between a guy like Mayberry and someone like Spidale, in terms of value, the difference between a fringy prospect and org. filler.

            And most minor league systems just don’t go 30-deep with starting-level prospects, sorry.

      2. no sir, 65 rbi, 17 hr, 16sb, great speed, great power, great athletic ability, likely to finish 20/20, that’s why he is a top 30.

    1. That stood out to me too, wondering if it was that heater or if Tallion threw a mistake and Franco clobbered it. Either way nice result

  1. I guess that is all you can say — “What a night for Mitchell”. During the day Franco tried to put some life into Lakewood’s offense, but they stalled in time for the Johnsons to blow the game slowly, inning by inning until they lost. Look at Reading’s line-up. This is supposed to be the team with the best prospects in the system, but I see Mitchell is the lone, but borderline “prospect”. Reading lost Garcia; then everybody either went to LHV or the disabled list. Look at the line-up!
    Things are not good at present. Martinez’ error opened the floodgates on the Crosscutters after they came back from a four run hole in the first inning. I saw Biddle’s comment that nothing can prepare you for they 10 hour bus trips. Williamsport has a lot of road games left.
    There are tons of wild pitches and passed balls that can have devastating effects on pitchers’ ERAs. Thank you Maikel and Derrick for two highlights.

  2. and they said they were not so surprised at the distance but very surprised @ how quick the ball left the yard

  3. Asche finally flashes some hitting. Shaky start for Morgado.
    Home run Franco! And off the #2 pick of last year’s draft, encouraging.
    Good to see a double for Mattair. But shame to see Colvin get crushed again.
    Nice relief outing for Rosenberg.
    Great outing for DeFratus tonight.

    1. Morgado started bad with 4 runs allowed in the first inning, then threw 5 scoreless. Something good to take out of that start.

  4. Clean sweep for the Phils from the big leagues to Williamsport. Losses all the way ’round. Interesting how a trade can change the complexion of the minor leagues. It seems like there are a ton of AAAA and other organizations castoffs filling out the lineups. I’ve taken to looking at the LHV boxscore and only Galvis and Overbeck’s lines. I look for anything interesting after that. Reading is very weak on the prospect side. Clearwater even has a couple of retreads. I just have to wait for some of the younger guys to start moving up and filling in holes.

    1. I don’t know how much of this is due to trades, though. Only one position player left the organization. I think it’s more promotions (the fact that we’re even looking at the LHV box these days is an improvement over earlier this season) and injuries (there would be a lot org filler in the outfield if Castro, Gilles, and even Susdorf weren’t on the DL).

      1. I love the boxscores. I love looking at trends up or down. But when I can only find 2 prospects in a boxscore, I get depressed. At the beginning of the year, only LHV was devoid of position player prospects (PPPs). Now Galvis is the most exciting guy all the way to CLW. Don’t get me wrong, anytime the Phils use the pharm system to improve the big club, I’m all for it. That’s what it’s for.

        1. I find this D. Brown fellow in the LHV box scores somewhat interesting to follow too. 😉

        2. I think Rich makes a good point! Up through July 27th, those ‘castoffs and organizational fillers’ at LHV were 62-43, and led their division by 4 games. Since then with the force fit of Polanco (rehab), Brown, Galvis and Rivero all into the left side of the defensive line-up (plus losing Bocock), they’ve gone 3 & 8……and are at best tied for first in division. Whether it’s chemistry, bad luck, players learning new positions / levels, or taking proven performers out of the line-up, who knows? I understand why this is good for the big club, but right now LHV is sucking it up and paying a price.

  5. Gillies should not be a topic until he gets his butt on the field.
    Asche four hits to build on. Let’s hope he does.
    Brummett is sealing his own fate.

    1. Steve Noworyta on Tyson Gillies:
      “It’s already the first week of August and now we’re saying the end of the month,” said Steve Noworyta, the Phillies’ assistant director of minor league operations. “You really can’t show much at that point. Somewhere along the line, he has to show us what he’s got.”

    2. I think people should lay off of Gillies. The dude is hurt. He clearly wants to play from reading his comments on Twitter. It is a little unfair to get tough on someone without knowing their specific circumstances. It is reasonable to say that it is impossible to evaluate him, but wrong to criticize.

      1. Boston——-if the asst to the director of minor ops is saying that—what do you think his boss is thinking? No way he would say something like that unless it is a prevailing thought among the senior management group.

        1. I more meant third-party observers, not the Phils. It’s not fair for guys like you and me to question Gillies. The Phils probably know what is happening better than we, so they have a right. Then again, it is one thing to be frustrated with a person and another to be frustrated with something out of that person’s control. Injuries tend to be out of one’s control. All a person can control is their approach to rehab. If they think he’s been slacking off, then fine. If they’re just frustrated that he’s been hurt a lot, you can’t really blame him. Either way, hopefully he heals up and is able to play again because he looked really good pre-injuries.

          1. Agree—-but I primarily just report what I have see personally or read. SImilar to the messenger. But everyone evaluates what is reported –some with a grain of salt to the source and others more open-minded. This happens every day in every media forum.
            Personally I do not degrade a players capability since there are so many external factors that may cause a person to perform below average.

  6. I went to the Lakewood game last night. Only made it for 5 inning since game started late and my kid had to get home.  But here are my first hand notes:

    – pre game thoughts: Santana is a monster. Significantly bigger than others.  But Biddle just as big. Rupp is thick.
    – first inning: Wright looks terrible.  3 walks.  Pitches are up.  Location is terrible.  Threw a bunch of breaking balls that fooled no one.  Only 2 swinging strikes.  Pick off saved him from a huge inning.  Rupp took control of the game three times.  
    – Hewitt swings at first pitch.  Ground out to 3b.  At least he hustled up line 
    -2nd inning: Wright getting hit hard.  Everything is up. Can’t hit Rupp’s target.  Line drive double off (nice play by Franko) saved big inning. 
    – Collier first guy to take a few pitches. Hustle triple to gap.  Should have been a double.  Ball didn’t make it to the wall. Rupp works a full count walk.  Deep homer by franko. He is short, but has pop. 
    – 3rd inning: Collier almost made a good catch.  Turned into a double. Could have played it to a single but dive allowed guy to go to second. Didn’t seem like he took a good route. Passed ball by Rupp allowed run to score. They gave Wright a wp, but i think it should have been blocked. 
    – Hewitt struck out on a slider way outside after fouling off a few pitches
    -4th:  nice charging play by franko.  Player of the game so far.  He has a strong arm
    – Santana 4 pitch walk. Collier has a real quick bat.  Just lined a foul ball. Then worked a walk. He looks good so far. Franko’s ab: Stayed off 2 breaking balls away. Works full count.  Weak grounder off end of bat.  Bummer. It is only one game, and he did hit a homer, but with those caveats, Franko seemed to have a presence about him.  A quiet confidence.  
    5th:  hard hit double of Wright.  But two pop ups and a nice back hand stab by franko with a solid throw accross to get runner easy.  Not a laser, but pretty strong throw
    – Rice hustles up line for an infield single.  Kids got some skates.  Hewitt swings at first pitch and hits a weak grounder to third.  Clearly learned nothing from first ab.

    Overall thoughts:
    – Collier looks like a good prospect.  Got some wheels and a very quick bat.  Shorter than I thought.  Looks like Victorino. Needs to work on angles in outfield.  
    – Franko was my pleasant surprise. I didn’t know much about him before the game, but will be following him closely now. 
    – Rupp seems to have a plan at the plate and behind the dish. Acted like a field general taking control several times. Had 2 walks, but even one of his outs was a full count.
    – Hewitt on the other hand was hugely disappointing. I have been holding out hope. Thinking he would turn it on at some point. Looking through box scores and getting excited when he runs into one. Maybe this is it. The turning point.  But after watching him in three abs, one thing is clear.  He has no idea what he is doing up there. No plan. Doesn’t watch pitches and learn.  If the pitcher runs into his bat it will go a far way.  But that won’t happen at upper levels. He looked terrible in all three abs. Like a lost kid.  Very disappointing. Hope he banked that big signing bonus.  
    – Wright did not look good at all.  I know it is his second start at this level.  But his control was awful.  Didn’t get swinging strikes on breaking stuff.  Might have been related to location. I couldn’t tell quality of break from my seat. But don’t be fooled by 1 ER in box score.  He could have easily given up 7 runs. And this was against a lineup that didn’t have one guy hitting .280 or higher.  

    1. Thanks a lot PPFan, that was a great review! I noticed from the box score that Wright did not have as a good a start as the 1ER seemed – nice to have it confirmed.

  7. Colvin is looking more and more like he will get a return trip to Clearwater next year.

    Nice to see Asche get some hits -he’s been scuffling lately

    BTW, thanks PPFan for the firsthander. Always appreciated. Rupp sounds like he might be Tuffy 2.0, and Franko sounds like a stud prospect

    – Jeff

  8. Interesting article written before the season on baseball america, it was about the different hitting stance martinez took to hit 21 homeruns the previous year. said it raised his status to second or third round,but a lot of errors mostly on throws had a strong arm but bad throws hurt him. a scout said any fastball over 90 he will struggle with, the coach of miami disagreed with that report.

  9. Reigning No.1 – OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.314) 1 for 4 with a 2B (3), K

    Current Mid-season Top 30

    4. RHP – Brody Colvin (CLW-8/14/90)- (2-6, 4.65) – 4 IP, 10 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
    5. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.267) 0 for 3 with a BB, K
    6. OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.255) – 1 for 3 with a 3B (6), run, BB
    8. RHP – Justin De Fratus (LHV-10/21/87) – (2-1, 4.18) –2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K
    9. SS – Freddy Galvis (LHV-11/14/89) – (.316) –0 for 4 with a run, 2 K
    10. 3B – Maikel Franco (LWD-8/26/92) – (.158) – 1 for 4 with a HR (1), 3 RBI (3)
    13. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.278) – 1 for 5
    14. RHP – Michael Schwimer (LHV-2/19/86) – (7-1, 1.85) 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, BB, K
    17. 3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.262) – 2 for 5
    19. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.274) – 0 for 2 with a run, 2 BB, K
    23. 3B – Carlos Rivero (LHV-5/20/88) –(.063) 0 for 4 with 3 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.286) – 0 for 4
    26. OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.256) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (3), 2 BB
    27. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.279) – 1 for 4 with n RBI (12), SB (18)
    29. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.255) –2 for 4 with a run, RBI (31)
    30a. 2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.206) 4 for 4 with a 2B (10), run
    30b. OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.271) – 3 for 4 with a 2B (18), 3B (2), HR (17), 2 runs, RBI (65)

    Other names of interest

    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.223) – 1 for 4 with 2 K’s
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.254) 1 for 4 with a 2B (7), K
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.250) 0 for 3 with a SB (13), BB, K
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.236) – 0 for 4 with 2 K
    LHP – Austin Wright (LWD-9/26/89) – (1-0, 1.64) – 5 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, K
    LHP – Bryan Morgado (WIL-12/8/88) – (1-0, 2.15) – 6 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (REA-9/17/85) – (4-5, 4.52) –2.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

      1. I think it is save to say that nobody is more dissapointed about his stats then Hewitt himself. I don’t see the need for people to ridicule him on top of it. From all accounts he seems to be a nice kid and he tries to get better.

          1. I’m with the Oldtimer- ridicule the organization’s affinity for toolsy prospects, but there comes a time to leave a kid alone.

        1. He can take heart in that the last victim of so much venom was Mayberry and it seems things are working out ok for him.

        2. This site analyzes players, its not ridiculing oldtimer, it is voicing an opinion, and hardly unfair. Dude Sucks!

          1. While he has exhibited poor pitch recognition, he hardly sucks. His baserunning, fielding and throwing are all well above most of his peers. He has massive power. He could still figure things out.

  10. I’m not sure why Brody Colvin wouldn’t return to Clearwater; frankly, he’s lucky not to be in Lakewood. I don’t even think he’s one of our top 10 prospects anymore. Of course, he could jump to the top of the list with a solid month or two, but ranking him high just makes our organization look bad.

  11. The CSN article calls Hyatt a “power arm”, is he? I didn’t think he threw particularly hard, but if he does, it certainly helps his profile…

  12. Aumont is looking like a beast at the back of the bullpen. Another good outing, 1.2 IP and 4 Ks. Good to see.

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