91 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 5 August 2011

  1. Reigning No.1 – OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.328) 1 for 4 with a BB, 2 K

    Current Mid-season Top 30

    3. C – Sebastian Valle (CLW-7/24/90) – (.303) – 0 for 4 with a K
    5. OF – Domingo Santana (LWD-8/5/92) – (.273) 1 for 4 with a run, K
    6. OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.256) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (21), run, RBI (25), SB (27), BB
    7. RHP – Jon Pettibone (CLW-7/19/90) – (8-9, 3.08) – 6.2 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, BB, 7 K (loss)
    9. SS – Freddy Galvis (LHV-11/14/89) – (.333) –2 for 4 with a run, RBI (2)
    10. 3B – Maikel Franco (LWD-8/26/92) – (.167) – 0 for 4 with a K
    12. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (LHV-1/7/89) – (0-0, 2.25, 2 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    13. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.281) – 1 for 4 with a CS (12)
    17. 3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.257) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (10), run, RBI (15), K
    19. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.280) – 1 for 4 with a run, RBI (31)
    20. OF – Brian Pointer (GCL-1/28/92) – (.254) – 0 or 3 with a BB, K
    21. OF – Kelly Dugan (WIL-9/18/90)–(.290) – 0 for 3 with a run, 2 BB, K
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.290) – 2 for 2 with a HR (20), 2 RBI (67), 2 BB
    26. OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.255) – 0 for 5 with a run, K
    27. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.280) – 1 for 4 with a run, RBI (20),2 SB (14), BB, K
    29. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.252) –0 for 3
    30b. OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.266) – 0 for 3 with a BB, CS (6)

    Other names of interest

    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.227) – 1 for 4 with a K
    2B – Carlos Valenzuela (GCL-9/18/90) – (.331)- 0 for 3
    2B – Alejandro Villalobos (GCL/8/20/91) – (.270) 0 for 3
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.254) 2 for 4 with a 2B (6), SB (4)
    SS – Edgar Duran (LWD-2/10/91) – (.254) 1 for 3
    SS – Jair Morelos (VSL-2/2/94) – (.280) – 2 for 3, CS (7)
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.239) – 0 for 4 with 2 K
    OF – Miguel Alvarez (LWD-8/27/89) –(.266) – 1 for 4
    OF – Herlis Rodriguez (VSL-6/10/94) – (.291) – 3 for 3, 2 RBI (19), BB
    LHP – Mike Zagurski (LHV-1/27/83) – (3-0, 2.20) – 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    LHP – Joe Savery (LHV-11/4/85) – (3-0, 3.48) –1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, K (win)
    LHP – Ervis Manzanillo (LWD/8/25/91) – (7-6, 5.34) – 0.2 IP, 3 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, K (loss)
    LHP – Ethan Stewart (GCL-1/19/91) – (3-3, 3.22) – 5 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 7 K (loss)
    RHP – JC Ramirez (REA-8/16/88) – (8-12, 4.63) – 2.2 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 2 K (loss)
    RHP – Colby Shreve (LWD-1/15/88) – (5-5, 2.83) – 3 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
    RHP – Juary Gomez (WIL-5/23/90) – (4-0, 2.96) – 1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, BB, 0 K
    RHP – Mike Nesseth (WIL-4/19/88) – (3-2, 2.28) 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, BB, 5 K

    1. Rupp was 3-4, not 1-4, for anyone casually just checking ketch’s much appreciated updates!

      1. Can’t believe I messed him up of all people. I knew he was 3 for 4, too. Almost tweeted about it.

  2. Not hearing much from the “Mayberry will never hit” or “Galvis will never hit” contingents here lately that were so aggressive and confident in their statements before the season started. Where ya at?

    1. Where are they? They are reformulating their saber formulae to determine what could have possibly gone wrong in their predictions.

      1. There’s a reason you don’t put too much stock in a guy’s minor league numbers. Age, level, maturity, etc. play far too much of a role.

      2. What the hell are you talking about? No one was saying Galvis couldn’t hit due to any sort of Sabermetric stat. It was a pretty much a unanimously held belief by respected Prospect Mavens around the game that Galvis would never hit. Also, scouts were the ones saying Mayberry couldn’t hit a curveball.

        There’s a time and a place to try and insult sabermetricians, this isn’t one of those times.

        1. I’ll let Ron insult the saber guys, I was insulting the fact that people won’t acknowledge that players can develop and improve during the course of a year or over time. Just because a Galvis or Mayberry struggled in the past, does not mean they are incapable of becoming better players. Not a question to me of saber metrics or any other metrics, its an acknowledgement that little changes can make a big difference. I hope people learn from these two examples next time they want to make grandiose, absolute claims. And let us not forget that Galvis’s performance this year doesn’t mean he will continue to hit at the next levels. He could look like 2010 Galvis in 2012, who knows.

  3. Sorry if i might be late to the party but there is an article on csn.com that says RHP Kenny Giles has signed and Marti Wolever feels confident L.Greene, R.Quinn, and M.Walding will sign. “I’m confident we have a chance to get these done” “I feel real good about Walding. We spent a lot of time with him and his family prior to the draft and after it. He wants to play pro.” But J.Overbey will not sign “We can’t meet the demands,” Wolever said. “They’re totally unrealistic. That’s not going to happen.” Also marti mentions OF R.Garvey “We really have a lot of interest in him,”

    1. Garvey in Philly Thursday Aug 11th. I assume he and father will stay for the Nats game Friday night.

  4. Former Phils prospects

    DH – Adrian Cardenas (Sacramento/AAA) – (.298) 3 for 4 with a 2B (22), RBI (37)
    1B – Jonathan Singleton (Lancaster/A+) – (.292) 0 for 4 with a BB, 3 K
    SS – Jonathan Villar (Corpus Christi/AA) – (.236) 2 for 5 with a 2B (13), run, K
    OF – Anthony Gose (New Hampshire/AA) – (.260) 2 for 5 with a HR (11), 3 runs, RBI (47), BB, SB (51), 3 K
    OF – Michael Taylor (Sacramento/AAA) – (.297) – 2 for 4 with a run, K
    OF – Matt Spencer (Iowa/AAA) – (.000) 0 for 1 (first AAA at-bat)
    C – Travis D’Arnaud (New Hampshire/AA) – (.331) 3 for 5 with a 2b (30), 2 RBI (58), 2 K

    1. I know im in the minority but I miss Michael Taylor the most out of this group, including the pitchers not listed. I assumed he was going to replace Werth when he left and was ready to start watching him on a nightly basis.

      1. Disagree, I would say D’Arnaud and Singleton, followed by Gose.

        Still, that list is a very nice group of players, especially when you add in the pitchers included in those trades (Gonzalez, and Drabek). And this doesn’t even consider the Cliff Lee trade.

        1. I miss Gio González the most. The 2005 trade of him and Gavin Floyd to the Chicago White Sox for Freddy Garcia will go down as one of the worst in Phillies history. At least the Phillies won a pennant with Ivan DeJesus at SS (for Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa) and at least Larry Jackson (for Fergie Jenkins) gave the Phillies 3 good seasons of starting pitching. Garcia was 1-5 in 59 bad innings for the 2007 Phillies.

          1. Yeah, that Gio trade was a complete abortion in hindsight. I hated it at the time too.

        2. Given his bat’s potential at the catcher position, I’d have to say D’Arnaud will sting the most when all’s said and done. Not that I wouldn’t do the deal 100 times over …

  5. Mike Nesseth pitched well again…should have gotten the win but bullpen blew it. I see him getting a call to Lakewood. I think Manzanillo has hit the wall and has maxed out his innings for the year. Freddie Galvis with 2 hits tonight. Aumont continues his strong pitching. He might be passing De Fratus on prospect chart. JC Ramirez struggling now 8-12. Pettibone pitched 6 good innings. Too bad he pitched into the 7th.

  6. Enthusiastic as some of have been about DeFratus, it looks like he IS now behind Aumont. DeF has kinda hit the wall at LV. Don’t know what pitch is missing for him nor whether lack of command are the isuues…but IMO Aumont may be called up after Sept 1st to give him a taste since Madson and ? might be going away over the winter.

    1. De Fratus is a figment of some guy’s imagination. He is the average prospect that every team has. Reading his name here has convinced guys that he is great.
      Of course Aumont is, and always has been the better prospect.

      1. John Sickels had De Fratus 12th and Aumont out of the top 20 of the Phillies prospect list at the beginning of the season. He said of De Fratus “At worst a very good reliever, and I think there is a chance he could close eventually.” Clearly he isn’t just a part of the apparent phuturephillies hype machine. He was highly regarded by outsiders as well.

        1. He also had Aumont #3 and DeFratus #17 heading into last season, so even he knew Aumont was a better prospect in ’10.

  7. Nice to see multi-hit games from Morelos and H. Rodriguez.
    Decent start for Ethan Stewart. And Minarik appears again. Not good to see a HR surrendered by each of them, but Stewart certainly wasn’t bad and getting Minarik some innings is good.
    Altherr and Dugan on base twice each is nice. Two steals for Altherr is great too. It’s encouraging to see Nesseth have some Ks. Still more groundouts than flyouts, and only one walk, so that’s a strong start.
    Really nice batting lines from Collier and Rupp (plus a pickoff!) but a night to forget for Manzanillo.
    Two hits and a steal for Mattair.
    Galvis with two more hits. Aumont with a nice scoreless inning. It would be nice to see Galvis have a respectable run at LHV to end the season.

    1. I wish Mattair’s split against righties wasn’t so bad. He’s hitting .221 against righties versus .441 versus lefties. At least all 6 of his A+ HRs are off righties. His 4 SBs in A+ are impressive (in 36 games). He’s a big guy 6’5″ 210. He must be sneaky fast.

  8. We’ll miss Gose, D’Arnaud, and Singleton most among position players. They are looking like performing future major leaguers.

    1. It goes to show you that you have to give something up to get something. D’Arnaud is a beast. I’m surprised he’s still in AA. Gose with 51 steals is game changing. Villar was, for the most part, double jumped so his average is reflective of that. He was a Lakewood a year ago and now he’s in AA. He had some games at A+ but Houston is moving him aggressively.

      1. Since moving to the Cal League, Singleton has a similar batting average to what he had in the FSL, but, admittedly based on a very, very limited sample, seems to have changed to a much more free-swinging approach. Before the trade (FSL): B.A. .284: after the trade (CAL): .292. Before the trade, (FSL) 58 BB, 83K, OBP .387. After the trade (CAL) 1 BB, 9 Ks, OBP ..320.

    2. Still would like to get Cardenas back as a extra man next year. Even MT back to fill the Ben role. The A’s have proven they can screw up anyone.

    1. I think it’s more that he’s just an average prospect. He’s got talent but is probably nothing more than a backend starter or decent bullpen piece. Guys like that tend to struggle at times

  9. ? for the experts here:

    Does the fact that the Phils often trade top prospects have any bearing on drafted players wanting to sign with us? As is.. will some be less reluctant because they know there is a decent chance they could due dealt somewhere less desirable (like Houston or Toronto).. Or alternatively.. do players see our rich farm system as a place they want to go because we develop our players well?

    1. This is a really interesting question. Might want to take it to one of the national guys?

    2. Good question. I don’t think young kids or agents are thinking that far advance, you’d kind of have to extrapolate a little bit too much for that. Actually, I think kids are more excited to play for a quality organization like the Phillies, where they’ll be groomed to be winners. Even a guy like Cosart, who is FROM TEXAS, wanted to be a Phillie

      1. If they were traded they would most likely be much less blocked from reaching the big leagues which is of course the ultimate goal of a minor leaguer so the higher threat of being traded may not be a deterrent

    3. Here’s a thought : amateur players sign an MLB contract because they would like to play in the Major Leagues.

  10. DON’T understand cardenas back theory. no power and no position, why him??? Imo nomatter how good d’arnaud becomes rather have halladay,Gose to me so far looks like a michael bourn type.

  11. This site to Derrick Mitchell is like Samson and his hair. We talked about him and he got hits every nite raising his average. No mention of him for the last 2 weeks and hes in a steady slide. So we need more D Mitch talk so he can get himself right again.

  12. If Worley doesn’t start on the major league team next year say, Oswalt comes back on a cheaper deal and we still can’t unload Blanton (scenario a unlikely, scenario b is likely) then would Worley be our #1 prospect? Maybe not overall but he would have to be for pitching right?

    1. I figure since Blanton has nerve damage in elbow, he will be forced to retire, freeing up some dollars through an insurance payoff. Then the pseudo experts will have to issue a whole new “this will certainly happen next season ” rant. Why would Oswalt return for less money? Worley can never again be a prospect because he has established himself with a season in MLB.

      1. Why would he retire…? there’s been guys with nerve damage in their elbow before… I think they mentioned a bunch of them.

    2. Surely you JEST. If you just got here from the moon and didn’t know the names you might think VW (luv it) was the ace. What are you smoking?

      1. No, I don’t think Blanton will go to the pen, but rather he will be treated as a sunk cost. Either traded or we collect the insurance money. Also I don’t think Worley is a “true” ace but he’s had some serious good results at MLB level. We fall inlove with guys with potential but a bird in one hand is better than two in the bush. Also to all the Worley detractors, how can you NOT look at his BB rate and be encouraged?

  13. Oswalt comes back and Blanton is healthy? They’re not going to pitch Heavy B in the bullpen.

  14. Marfis – You would be correct if Blanton’s contract were insured. It is not. The Phillies haven’t insured a contract in many years. I believe I’ve heard the Phillies’ front office complain that insuring contracts has gotten so expensive that they don’t bother anymore.

    Blanton is now a completely sunk cost. He won’t retire because he can “rehab” and still get paid 8-ish million dollars. Why would he walk away from that? If he’s won the Cy Young this year the Phillies wouldn’t have given him a raise. Did Adam Eaton walk away? Did Freddie Garcia?

    The Phils are on the hook for Blanton regardless and he is one of many factors that will make bringing Oswalt back pretty difficult, even if he restructures. That’s why Worley and Kendrick and the pen arms in AAA are so important next season. If Aumont/DeFratus/Scwimmer or any one or two of them can make a significant contribution for the major league minimum, the major league team will benefit by being able to bring back Rollins and Madson and maybe extend Hamels. And if Mayberry and Brown can handle left field/backup outfielder next season, more inexpensive talent.

    And if Galvis looks like he will be ready in a couple of years, they may decide to save money and not sign Rollins (though I doubt that.)

  15. Wow love to find out if that is true that the phillies dont insure players. how can we find out from them. seems to me like a stupid business decesion to me.

    1. They probably do for the big ones. Amaro said during spring training that Utley’s contract was insured. They probably have some on Halladay, Lee, and Howard’s.

  16. Scott Mathieson DFA’d, even though he could have been optioned. I guess they are setting him free… Wonder whether someone will pick him up.

      1. Opening Day Lineup 2014 – Houston Astros:
        1. Jonathan Villar SS
        2. Anthony Hewitt CF
        3. Jonathan Singleton LF
        4. Ben Francisco RF
        5. Matt Rizzotti 1B
        6. Cody Ransom 2B
        7. Rick Schu 3B
        8. Dane Sardinha C
        9. Scott Mathieson P

    1. Probably clearing a spot on the 40 man in order to sign a player who has passed through waivers. My guess: Arthur Rhodes.

    2. Semi-surprised to see this. I think he will end up in a mlb rotation somewhere. Good luck to him.

    3. Cue the “Mathieson still has a chance!” chorus. I guess we’ll see. Surely some team will give him a chance, and best of luck to him. My hope is this means we’ll see somebody else out of the Pig pen come September.

  17. why let mathieson go when you have all those older pitcher at triple a who have no chance to pitch for you? makes no sense to me.why???

    1. They didn’t let him go. They dfa’d him. He passes through waivers, he’s right back on the iron pigs, only not wasting a 40 man spot on him.

      1. False alarm. This is the same “optional” waivers as last year. We’re gonna have to start calling him “Nine Lives” Mathieson at some point soon.

  18. If someone picks him up off waivers then they will have to add him their own 40 man roster. I’m not so sure that he will get picked up. Most 40 man rosters are pretty full right now. He might be back with Lehigh Valley. We’ll see.

    1. Teams out of contention will select him based on his potential for 2012. And drop one of their lower rated guys, who they know no one will pick up.

  19. Placido Polanco was removed from Saturday’s game due to soreness in his left hip.
    The hip soreness is not related to his recent back injuries. Stay tuned for updates on the extent of the injury, reports Todd Zolecki on Twitter

  20. I’m guessing Galvis is going to get a shot late september…? Phillies are looking at 9.5 game lead in the division if the score in New York holds up. Ruben was talking about how they need to see how he handles the next level and it couldn’t hurt to get a look at him… similar to what they did with Marson in 2008.

  21. According to David hale at philled-up:
    Mathieson was DFAed due to restrictions based on his service time. He’s expected to clear waiers and return to Lehigh Valley (and the 40-man roster).
    Does anyone know what “due to restrictions based on his service time” means?

    1. Interesting—restriction on service time—Mathieson’s service time actually started in June 2006 —-total of 2.071 years (2010 and 2011 time included)—-but he is listed as starting his service time at 01-2010. —-I also am in a quandary?

      1. The following is what I wrote last year concerning DFA’ing Mathieson. The same rule applies with this DFA.

        Recently, the Phillies asked for waivers and designated for assignment (DFA) Scott Mathieson. This is causing much concern with the Philly fans that the Phillies would lose Mathieson to another club. The people who are exhibiting this concern clearly do not fully understand how waivers, options and designating a player for assignment work. There was about as much chance of losing Mathieson to another club on waivers as there will be to lose Chase Utley when the Phillies ask for waivers on him in early August (more in this latter).

        What is occurring with Mathieson is standard operating practice for players that are more than three years removed from their major league debut. Major League rules require that those players clear optional waivers before they can be sent to the minors.

        First you must understand that there are 5 types of waivers. The 5 types of waivers are general waivers, release waivers, outright waivers, trade waivers and optional waivers. General waivers, release waivers and outright waivers are not recallable while trade waivers and optional waivers are. Once a player is put on general or release waivers that player is lost if any other club claims him. A player put on trade or optional waivers can have the waiver recalled if another team put in a claim. 99.9% of the time no claims are made on trade or optional waivers. Trade waiver are used to make player available for trade while optional waiver are use to option player to the minors if they are more than three years removed for when they made their major league debut.

        When a player is called up and is eligible for optional waivers the team usually asks for optional waivers after 24-hrs of the call up in order to be able to send the player down whenever they want in that waiver period without having to wait for the player to clear optional waivers. I might add that when the club asks for optional waivers there is no immediate intention of sending that player down. In general 99.9% of the time the person put on optional waivers clears waivers. Waivers usually take 3 to 4 business days to clear. If he clears waivers he will be added back to the 40-man roster and optioned back to the minors. If a person does not clear then the team has the option of adding that person back to the 40-man and designate someone else for assignment.

        Mathieson was called up around noon on June 17. The Phillies probably asked for optional waivers on him about noon on June 18. Latter on June 18, Ruiz was hurt in the night game. Because the waivers on Mathieson had not yet cleared since it will take 3 to 4 business days (Monday thru Friday). The Phillies then needed to designate Mathieson for assignment in order to open a roster space and allow time for his optional waivers to clear. Designating a person for assignment is a temporary holding area and a quick way to remove him from the 40-man roster to clear a spot for another person. The person designated for assignment continues to get paid and earns major league service time while he is on it. A person designated for assignment can remain on it for up to 10 days at that point he must be added back to the 40-man roster, traded, or released. It was designed to be use with waivers so that it gives the team time to allow for a person to clear waivers. Many people react to the Designate for Assignment for Mathieson because they think that it is used only to release or trade a person. This is not true although probably 75 to 80 % of the time it is used that way.

        The only way the Phillies could possibly lose Mathieson is if someone puts a claim for him (99.9% unlikely) and the Phillies determine that he has less value than someone like Quintin Berry or Brian Bocock and then they ask for general waivers on him. I should point out that once a person is call back from optional waivers when claimed then he would need to clear general waivers (none recallable) within that waiver period in order to be sent to the minors. Since the Phillies only need the roster spot for backup catcher Sardinha for a couple of days, the Phillies will probably reinstate Mathieson when Ruiz is ok’d to play and designate Sardinha for assignment.

        Earlier, I indicated that the Phillies will probably ask waivers on Chase Utley in early August. Most Philly fans will be surprised to learn that the Phillies probably will be asking waivers on Halladay, Hamels, Utley and Howard in early August and even more surprising is that they all will probably clear. The waivers that we are talking about are trade waivers.

        Virtually all players on the 40-man roster except for player with no trade contracts and 5/10 year player are put on trade waivers in early August of every year. This is done because in order to be ready to trade players before the trade deadline. Players must have to cleared trade waivers during that waiver period in order to be eligible to be traded. Even players that the team has no intention of trading are offered on waivers in order to mask the players they really want to trade. Just like optional waivers 99.9% of the players offered for trade waivers clear. August 1 opens the new waiver period that controls the critical late August trading period. Starting August 1, teams can put up to 7 players a day on the trade waiver list so by August 5 or August 6 virtually all the players on their 40-man roster could have been put on trade waivers. Teams can only make one claim per day and the fact that teams do not want to step on other’s toes so the others do not step on theirs so 99.9% of the players put on these waivers clear. If a player does not clear then the team recalls that waiver and that player can not be put on trade waivers again in that waiver period nor can he be traded.

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