Daily Discussion

A couple of quick talking points to get the day started:

–The struggles of Vance Worley continue in Reading during the second half of the season with another very rocky outing last night in the 12-6 Reading loss.  Worley went 5 innings and gave up 10 runs (5 earned) on 11 hits, including 3 homers.  Since the all star break, Worley is 1-6 with a 7.61 ERA in 9 starts. 

–Huge games for both Travis D’Arnaud and Jim Murphy who had 4 hits apiece in the 9-3 Lakewood victory last night.  After a slow start to the season, D’Arnaud had hit .304 with 5 HR 32 RBI and 7SB since the all-star break.  It will be interesting to see where the Phils decide to start him next year.

–Six shutout innings from Phils 12th round pick Nicholas Hernandez (8-1) who gave up just 2 hits and struck out 8 in the 4-1 Williamsport win last night.  Hernandez lowered his ERA to an impressive 2.70 in his 15 starts.

24 thoughts on “Daily Discussion

  1. Looks like if Reading wins the last 4 games vs. the Connecticut Defenders they’re in the playoffs. Erie’s a game back, So maybe Connecticut starting Madison Bumgartner in there on Sunday (?) might be a factor. If they make it and go full out on the schedule they will finish on September 19, something like that. So those expecting to see Quinton Berry right off, might have to wait awhile.

    For some more other stuff, I see Francisco (not Javis) Diaz led off and played Center Field for Clearwater yesterday.

  2. I am sure that is a roster malfunction with Diaz. GCL players often show up on the Clearwater roster for a day or two when there is an injury. Whoever did the box score probably entered the wrong Diaz.

  3. d’Arnaud had a pretty remarkable second half considering the lost start he had. Listening to a game this week, the announcers stated how good of a catcher he is. His pop time is excellent and his throws are laser-like and accurate. Reading the recaps over the season, a lot of his extra base hits seem to go into the gaps all the way to the walls, and many go the right-center. No telling how much power this kid could have when he learns to turn on the ball. I think d’Arnauld is as valuable to the Phillies as much as Brown and Taylor. The Phils never had a catcher like this in their system since the draft was instituted back in ’65.

  4. “The Phils never had a catcher like this in their system since the draft was instituted back in ‘65.”

    That is stretching things a bit. The Phillies have produced several good catching prospects. Bob Boone, Darren Daulton, Ozzie Virgil, Mike Lieberthal. Virgil hit .303 with 29 home runs in the Carolina League when he was 21. Can you imagine how we’d rate such a player today?

  5. I like D’Arnaud a lot but don’t think he has reached Taylor/Brown status yet, nor do I think he has clearly surpassed Lieberthal as the best Phillies catching prospect out of the draft. In fact, although I give D’Arnaud a slight edge, it is really a close call as to whether he or Valle is the best catching prospect now on the farm.

  6. Alan said: “The Phillies have produced several good catching prospects. Bob Boone, Darren Daulton, Ozzie Virgil, Mike Lieberthal. Virgil hit .303 with 29 home runs in the Carolina League when he was 21. Can you imagine how we’d rate such a player today?”

    Good point, Alan.
    The Carolina League is Advanced A ball, equivalent to the FSL, right? Those slugging numbers are better than what Dom Brown produced this year at Adv. A ball at the same age. While Ozzie was a good major league catcher who made a few All Star teams, I think most of the fan base would be disappointed if DBrown posts similar career numbers. Of course, it’s a bit of an orange v. apple comparison anyway. DBrown was not completely healthy all year. Maybe Ozzie was very healthy that year. He did play in 2X as many Adv A games that year as Dom has. And, Ozzie grew up in the Caribbean, I think, so he may have been more advanced at an early age.

    My only point: a reminder to MYSELF not to get too carried away with my expectations with the young players.

  7. In fact, although I give D’Arnaud a slight edge, it is really a close call as to whether he or Valle is the best catching prospect now on the farm.

    But you have to consider that d’Arnaud grades out as an above-average catcher defensively, while Valle may or may not stick behind the plate. That, plus Valle’s free swinging ways (just 25 in 339 at bats this year) have to give d’Arnaud the edge at this point.

    As for where d’Arnaud starts… it has to be Clearwater, right? He’s had a pretty good year with the bat — we know how to look past batting average and see how he’s really doing, after all — but double-jumping him to Reading would be a mistake. As phuturephillies always says, the leap to Double-A is the toughest in the minors, and I don’t think it would be a good idea to rush d’Arnaud into anything. He’s earned his promotion to High-A with a solid 2009, but let’s let him take it a step at a time.

  8. I think you have to keep D’Arnaud ‘on track’ and send him to Clearwater.

    Worley’s workload this year jumped significantly so I’m hoping he’s just tired. Perhaps he should have been shut down sooner, a la Drabek?

  9. I’d to comment on this stuff right now, but watching Brad Lidge makes me feel as if I’d eaten bad clams.

    Blech!

  10. I think D’Arnaud starts at Clearwater. If he struggles mightily, he can go back down but Valle needs to be at Lakewood anyway and we have no catching in the upper levels to block Travis anyway. Thus, he needs to be at least at Clearwater to start the year.

  11. Reading Phillies clinched a share of 2nd playoff berth tonight.
    2 games up on Bowie with 2 to play.

  12. i spoke to alex hinshaw and dan runsler of the giants when they were in town last week. they both had non complimentary things to say about bumgarner. they spoke highly of jack taschner and said hamels was absolutely filty. they also said lincicum is the best pitcher in bb and a great guy. very interesting convo. good guys. i will have more interesting conversations in the future, now that certain people have cleared them. i also find it interesting that jim murphy continues to hit and where is he? there is no option left but myers. lidge is toast.

  13. On the Santana article- Agostinelli says he could start in Lakewood or be back in GCL, and that Lino Martinez will start off in GCL. He also mentions Cesar Hernandez and Jonathon Villar as promising players at the lower levels. Maybe they can alternate those 2 at 2B and SS with Barnes and Buschini to start next season at Lakewood and see who goes back to Williamsport after next season’s draft.

    Yes , Hyatt’s been at Lakewood, as has Valle and Luke Wertz and maybe some others. Hyatt pitched 4.2 innings in a Lakewood start , gave up some runs to take the loss, but on the upside he got 8 strikeouts, so he’s pretty much shown he can get strikeouts. Looks like he will lead Williamsport in strikeouts, with around 71 in only 54 innings when pitchers have had around up to 88 innings. Brian Gump pitched the last inning in relief in that game.

    Francisco Diaz has been at Clearwater for a few games now. If there was a boxscore mistake, there was a corresponding mistake on the stats page. The recap states Francisco Diaz in the narrative, and Diaz is about the right size and speed to play CF , so I don’t think it was a mistake, records wise.

  14. Oh yeah, in the 2nd game at Reading, Schwimer may have had a off game, Looks like he faced 5 batters , gave up 2 runs on 2 hits and a walk, while getting 2 fly ball outs in the last inning. He still was credited with a hold , however. Bastardo came in to strikeout the last batter and get the save.

  15. i have seen Darnaud play and I would describe him as “ok”. I wouldnt go getting my hopes up. He looks like a doubla a catcher to me.

  16. I know this site doesn’t like talking about the majors but I thought it would be ok since it’s a former philly minor leaguer. It seems Michael Bourn has finally put it all together– he’s batting 297 with 50 stolen bases and playing stellar defense. Just another sign of what a good job phillies minor league development in the past 10 years.

  17. d”arnaud is a double a catcher? That to me is the first negative post on this kid, I never saw him but all indication are he is a up and coming player with power potential. sorry he isnt? very disappointing.

  18. http://www.readingphillies.com Lots of videos of Reading Phillies in action here, those who haven’t seen ’em much might look. Mostly all batting and fielding.

    Valle – if you wanted the proper Spanish pronunciation, you might go with BY-yay. Something like that. I imagine most media announcers and fans would go with just like valley.
    I seen Valle up at State College (in game he sat out) . He was in a pre-game Hula Hoop contest. He had Siulman LeBron answer for him from the girl doing the contest, he was out there to listen and speak for him , so maybe Valle doesn’t understand or speak English real well, or it is some kind of in-joke for the team or something, but Lebron gave the name as BY-yay.

  19. The pronunciation that I’ve heard for Valle was vee-YAY. But, that was a Mets broadcast of a minor league game, so take it for what its worth.

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