34 thoughts on “Daily Discussion; 5/23

  1. David Price, with the win 5IP 3H 1BB and 4Ks

    woulda been great if the threshers could have got to him… But still, its always good to face tough competition…

  2. Michael Taylor with another good game. 2 for 4 with a Triple and an RBI.

  3. Tyson Brummett with another solid outing for the Threshers, yet he was unable to get a win. The team just won’t hit when this guy is on the mound. The team has a grand total of five runs in the four games he has pitched.

  4. Marson went 3-4, nice.

    I’ve got Marson Fever, or is it MarMania, or is it a case of Lounacy? I’d better get to a doctor.

  5. While I generally don’t buy in to people who quickly want to promote prospects, Taylor is a guy who should probably get bumped soon. He’s 22.5, hes definitely too old for the SAL.

  6. “More Cowbell!!!”

    Marson rocks!

    Looks like Steve Kline is starting to turn it around in Lehigh…his ERA’s down to 4.03 although lefties are still batting over .300 against him.

  7. Hey Jeff, love your updates, I’m more of a lurker here but I’ll take my time to say something stupid when I can.

    …but yes, I think I need about 10cc of cowbell stat.

    I was hoping I could devolve this thread into how we’ll describe the Marson phenomenon if he stays hot.

    A. Marson Fever
    B. Marmania
    C. Lounacy

  8. Golson is really starting to impress me. In his last 10 games (40 plate appearances), he has whiffed just 7 times.

  9. They should just go ahead and promote Durbin. If he’s going to suck he might as well do it at Lehigh Valley and stop dragging the R-phils down.

  10. Durbin felt he wouldn’t be able to get enough innings at Lehigh to gt back on track so he asked Amaro if he could be sent to Reading. Amaro agreed and it’s likely he’ll be an upgrade over Youman. He pitched fine yesterday, but Slayden dropped a fly ball that led to four unearned runs.

  11. Is it me or do we have real long shots in the rotaions now at all levels. OUTMAN, CASTRO,BRUMMET BASTARDO and a few others.

  12. I don’t think Outman is a longshot. He’s a legit prospect who could probably be a good 4th starter…He could easily help the club out of the Pen in the second-half and he likely will.

  13. what do we know of lakewood’s apparent closer Jared Simon, good stats it looks like especially against righty hitters.

  14. Agree Outman is a solid prospect, but isn’t he relieving rather than starting of late?

  15. Yup…Gillick moved him to the Pen so he could theoretically help the big-league club this season as a 2nd Lefty out of the Pen. His stuff is good enough for the back end of a rotation though and the Phillies haven’t given up on him.

  16. I agree too, but he is out of the rotaion and I did not use the right words to make my point. At the start of the season there were four or five good starters at each level(excluding Lehigh Valley). Now with injuries and changes there are only three at each level. I guess my question is are the other guys in the rotations longshots or real prospects?

  17. Longshots is my opinion on anyone pitching not named Carrasco, Outman, Naylor or Savery.

    Brummett and Bastardo have a decent shot of making something if they both keep developing…IMHO.

  18. NEPhilliesPhan – how can you rate Savery as less of a longshot than Bastardo? they are the same age and Bastardo is much, much more advanced at this point in his career than Savery. Bastardo has pitched 3 of 4 quality starts at AA. Bastardo clearly has an “out pitch” with his change as witness by his great k/9 ratio in the minors. he also has a much better whip at all levels which suggests much better control. his low BAA suggests he is smart with his stuff and knows how to use it. savery shows none of that.

    i just don’t get this love afair with Savery. what am i missing on this guy?

    i do agree with the marson comments. and his lack of power doesn’t bother me at all. the Twins have a pretty decent catcher that doesn’t hit for much power. doing what he is doing at AA at his age is extremely impressive.

  19. i just don’t get this love afair with Savery. what am i missing on this guy?

    we get it. We know where you stand on Savery. Even if it was explained to you, you’d say it didn’t matter and you didn’t buy into it. Just move on, and if he doesn’t make it, you can come back and gloat about being right.

  20. Just as Julian Sampson was starting to make progress he winds up on the DL after taking a shot to his left ribs. At least it was not his right arm. He joins Michael Durant on the DL who twisted his ankle. Sampson is going to be a good one. The story was they asked him to dial it down form the high 90’s to the low 90’s so he could work on his location. With 10 homers Durant was on pace to break the all time Lakewood home run record of 22. Playing in a pitchers park Ryan Howard hit only 19 one season there plus 1 on a rehab assignment as a Blue Claw.

  21. ** Even if it was explained to you, you’d say it didn’t matter and you didn’t buy into it. **

    that’s not true at all. i ask questions to learn and hear other’s perspective. they are not rhetorical. i really don’t understand why you knock my posts. i am a genuine guy. i ask a question to learn.

    ** Just move on, and if he doesn’t make it, you can come back and gloat about being right.**

    that also is off point too. i don’t gloat. have i gloated one time on this blog? no i have not. i honestly don’t care. seriously, why would i gloat? who would i gloat too? i don’t write on this blog to feed an ego. i post to engage in discussion and to learn from other people’s perspectives. i have asked you several times to explain how you grade prospects. i ask to learn. whether i “buy it” or not is irrelevant. the fun part is engaging in debate and discussion.

  22. first off i a big time lurker, have been reading this sight for almost 2 years now and am a fan of all of it! Thanks to all the reagulars and the host for an excellent site for a diehard Philly fan.

    second towards PP Fan i understand where you are coming from but if you want to be genuine then watch the tone you use it’s as simple as one word. in you first statement you wrote “how can you rate Savery as less of a longshot than Bastardo?” change can to come and you statement is less confrontational. thats it don’t want to get off track but this is from a lurkers’ standpoint.

    also saw Benson pitched in extened spring training yesterday. do people get to go to these games and was wondering if Jeff or anyone saw him and what were their feelings of his outing?

  23. Savery is not a long-shot…He, despite his struggles, is a legit prospect. He has the stuff to be a major league starter.

    Benson had a decent start though his velocity was low at best. He hit 87 once or twice but apparently his fastball hovered in the mid-80’s for most of the night. That puts his progress about where he was before his original aggravation of his shoulder back in early March. It will probably take him at least a couple of weeks to get his velocity up again.

  24. “also saw Benson pitched in extened spring training yesterday. do people get to go to these games and was wondering if Jeff or anyone saw him and what were their feelings of his outing?”

    No, extended games are in the afternoon, and I got a new job last week where I actually have to go into the office 8-4:30. Anyway, I get enough baseball with the Threshers.

    Another point…the Threshers are out of town this week, and their park has been hosting the Big East baseball tournament all week. I’ve always heard that high-A ball was supposed to be comparable to college ball, and even heard more than once that used as a reason why Savery should be in AA because he is languishing at the same level and needs better competition.

    Maybe the Big East just sucks in baseball, but I can definitely say that the quality of play I’ve witnessed in the tournament this week is nowhere close to what I see in the Florida State League games…just throwing that out there for what it is worth.

  25. All other considerations aside, let’s remember that Savery was a well known uber-prospect when he went to Rice.

    For some unknown reason, too many pitchers at Rice who are outstanding prospects begin to have arm troubles there; Savery joined that unfortunate group at Rice, too.

    So…he inderwent arm surgery, and only returned to pitching in ’07…and his results were very promising; so despite his arm history, the Phils chose him late in the draft’s first round before the Dodgers could grab him.

    After signing, he worked sparingly with lots of TLC from the Phils’ coaches and only this season has BEGUN to take a regular turn in Clwtrs rotation.

    After being drafted he said that he was looking forward to some real good PROFESSIONAL pitching coaching to iron out some of his own inconsistencies. That is what is going on at Clwtr.

    And, because of his supposed tremendous upside tempered by his past surgery, IMO they’ll proceed with caution…and work on getting him in a consistent arm slot/groove. That takes some time. Be patient…I bet he’ll be well worth the effort and wait.

  26. “The story was they asked him to dial it down form the high 90’s to the low 90’s so he could work on his location.”

    He was 94-98 mph in the first two innings of his first start, but his control just unravelled overthrowing. But his delivery is super smooth (if a tad inconsistent with somethings right now), and his body clearly has room to grow even though he looks strong now- I would think he’ll get to the point with age where instead of trying to throw 90-92 with control (which is what he’s doing now- or at least trying to control it), a more regular 93-95 mph is in his future as predicted when he was drafted. Needs to find a better breaking ball along the way too.

  27. fair point buckwampum birds fan. please change “can” to “come”. the intent was to spur futher discussion. not to attack. i will be more conscious going forward. thanks.

  28. Jeff, the Big East (and really, all northern college baseball) is pretty weak. When people talk about the comparisons to High A, they’re really referring to the ACC, SEC and Pac-10 and probably only the top 1/3-1/2 of each league and even then probably only 1/3-1/2 of the upperclass players on each team.

  29. I heard on the broadcast today that Blueclaw Karl Bolt got hit in the face with a foul ball. He was bleeding when they took him to the hospital. Does anyone have any update?

  30. I’m impressed with the way Derrick Mitchell is playing
    lately. He’s bringing up his average and showing some
    power. A very good high school athlete, he has become
    somewhat to watch…at least for me.

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