101 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 30 August 2011

  1. Reigning No.1 – OF – Domonic Brown (LHV-9/13/87) – (.261) 1 for 6 with a K

    Current Mid-season Top 30

    2. LHP – Jesse Biddle (LWD-10/22/91) – (7-8, 2.98) – 4.1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, K
    5. OF – Zach Collier (LWD-9/18/90) – (.247) – 0 for 6 with an BB, 2 K, SB (33)
    7. RHP – Justin De Fratus (LHV-10/21/87) – (2-3, 3.83) –2 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K
    8. SS – Freddy Galvis (LHV-11/14/89) – (.324) –3 for 6 with a 2B (5), K
    9. 3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.295) –0 for 1 with a run, 3 BB
    10. RHP – Julio Rodriquez (CLW-8/29/90)- (16-7, 2.73) – 6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 10 K
    11. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (LHV-1/7/89) – (0-0, 3.54) – 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K
    12. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.268) – 1 for 3 with a BB
    13. RHP – Michael Schwimer (PHI-2/19/86) – (0-0, 3.60) 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    16. 3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.259) – 0 for 3 with a run, BB, K
    17. LHP – Adam Morgan (WIL-2/27/90) – (3-3, 2.01) – 5 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 0 R, 2 BB, 7 K (win)
    18. C – Cameron Rupp (LWD-9/28/88) – (.267) – 0 for 1
    21. RHP – Austin Hyatt (REA-5/23/86) – (12-6, 3.77) – 6 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 ER, BB, 8 K (win)
    22. 3B – Carlos Rivero (REA-5/20/88) –(.280) 0 for 4 with a BB, K
    23. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.290) – 2 for 5 with 2 HR (23), 2 RBI (77)
    25. OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.272) – 1 for 4 with an RBI (18), K
    26. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.270) – 0 for 4 with 2 K
    28. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.267) – 0 for 3 with 2 K
    29. 2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.195) 2 for 3 with a K, CS (3)
    30. OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.264) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (25), 2 runs

    Other names of interest

    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.262) – 3 for 6
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.216) 1 for 3 with a K
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (LWD-4/27/89) – (.241) – 3 for 5 with a 2B (19), run, 2 SB (36)
    OF – Miguel Alvarez (LWD-8/27/89) – (.260) – 0 for 3 with a K, SB (16)
    LHP – Joe Savery (LHV-11/4/85) – (4-0, 2.05) 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K
    LHP – Austin Wright (LWD-9/26/89) – (1-1 1.50) – 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 10 K
    RHP – B.J. Rosenberg (REA-9/17/85) – (4-7, 4.43) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, BB, K
    RHP – Justin Friend (REA-6/21/86) – (1-4, 3.25) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, BB, K

    1. Hopefully that means they traded for a LH reliever who passed through waivers. That would make them eligible for playoff roster since it’s before 8/31.

        1. Seems the Phils are still looking for that elusive lefty power bat off the bench? Doubt that Bowker is the answer though.

  2. Franco three more walks. Good start for Morgan.
    Anthony Hewitt has one strikeout in his past four games. Unfortunately this means nothing. Holy batman Austin Wright. Ten strikeouts in five innings! Biddle not so sharp but at least he wasn’t disastrous.
    Another ten strikeouts for Julio Rodriguez. Great game.
    Strong start from Hyatt. Suffered from the HR ball and some hits but great K/BB there.
    Three hits each for Galvis and Overbeck. Good relief appearances by Savery and Aumont.

    1. Biddle left the Lakewood game with an “apparent knee injury and there is no word on his status” which is straight from the Blue Claws website. Hopefully it is a minor injury and he was taken out for precautionary measures. I seriously doubt the Phillies would risk anything with him at all.

  3. I wonder if Austin Wright has a chance to start next year in Reading. It would be aggressive, but he’s been dominant at both levels he’s seen this year.

    Hewitt is on fire. He’s even got 3 walks in his last 10 games. Too bad it’s probably just a blip that will be soon forgotten.

    1. Actually I read that the Phils are pleased with Hewitt’s progress. He is going to compete for a job in the FSL next season. They like his power and speed, not the average.

      1. The guy should take a risk and have LASIK and improve his eyesight to 20/15. Maybe he could see the spin better on the curve.

    2. I was thinking the same thing regarding Wright. Same deal as what they did with Worley and Stutes in 2009.

      There should be openings in Reading; J-Rod, May, and Pettibone look like they should start there, but after that it depends on what the Phils want to do with JC, Cisco, and Cloyd. The possibility certainly exists for Wright to get bumped up to AA to start next year.

      1. Best guess: Cisco stays as a reliever. Cloyd and Hyatt move to AAA. Pettibone, May, JRod, JC will be part of the Reading staff.

  4. The Phillies acquired John Bowker for Sebastian Valle and Brody Colvin.

    That’s just mean on my part. Haha. I am wondering who they really traded for him? I hope that this is a two part move, getting Bowker on the roster, as well as DLing Ross Gload and bringing up Brandon Moss. Moss has 23 AAA HR’s. Bowker has 15 AAA HR’s. I don’t really get this move at all. But the Phillies know more than I do, obviously. Sorry if anyone spit out their beverage while reading my first line. haha.

    1. Bowker hit 40 points higher than Moss both this year and in their AAA careers. I love Moss but he’s not a good contact hitter. Bowker has career minor league stats that suggest he can be a decent hitter yet in the major leagues. Actually Bowker has an excellent chance of filling Gload’s role into next season.

      1. yeah with this move I guess the Phils felt Bowker was a better choice then Moss. I’m wondering if Schwimer just stays with the Phils and they activate him on Thursday. Put Contreras on the 60 day for Bowker.

        1. Schwimer must spend X # of days in the minors once he’s sent down unless there is a injury where he’s replacing someone on the roster. So Schwimer will be down at LHV for a couple days.

      2. Just as an aside, those with real good recall might recall I had put up a suggested trade with John Bowker coming to Philly, which was immediately panned by some as ridiculous. How ridiculous is it, NOW?

        1. You also “predicted” that they would trade for Alex Gordon and sign Scott Hairston and Matt Diaz in that same post. All nine of your PTBNL “predictions” in the Pence trade were wrong. So much for batting .800.

          1. LOL. Remember when it was suggested that the Phillies offer Michael Taylor for Alex Gordon and 95% of the site said it was a ridiculous overpay.

          2. Yeah, that’s the post I was talking about, so much for the “didn’t say it ” thing. Just one thing, not a prediction, a proposed roster adjustment in a speculative thread. Not predictions. And, of Course did not predict 9 players as PTBNL when it was common knowledge only 4 would be offered. It was simply a list of possibilities, not a prediction. Jayson Stark had said all 4 would come from Lakewood and not be top prospects. Many considered Domingo Santana as a top prospect, and Leandro Castro and Jiwan James were on the Clearwater roster. And who predicted Juan Sosa would be on the list? How about some criticism of the bad information passed by Jayson Stark?

            1. Marfis is nothing if not consistent. If it comes true, then he predicted it. If it doesn’t come true, then he merely speculatively suggested it. It’s that simple folks.

      3. Bowker is not as good as Gload. He is healthy. Don’t think he is really better than Moss so I don’t really understand this. Bowker’s good AAA years were in the PCL in good offensive parks. Moss may strike out more, but he has more power. Bowker also does not walk much.

  5. Lehigh Valley: Two games behind Pawtucket for the division, tied with Gwinnett for the wild card.
    Reading: Four games behind New Hampshire for the division, a half game behind New Britain for the second playoff spot.
    Clearwater: One game behind Dunedin for the FSL North Second Half crown.
    Lakewood: Fourth place, four games behind Hickory. Elimination number is two.
    Williamsport: Two games behind Auburn for the division, percentage points behind Brooklyn for the wild card.
    GCL Phillies: Season over.

    Season ends on Monday for LHV, Reading and Lakewood. Sunday for Williamsport and Clearwater.

    Today’s Games:
    Clearwater @ Brevard County, 5:05pm (DH): J. Rodriguez and Colvin
    Reading @ Akron, 7:05pm: Brummett vs Steven Wright
    Scranton/Wilkes-Barre @ Lehigh Valley, 7:05pm: Bush vs Hector Noesi
    Williamsport @ Mahoning Valley, 7:05pm: Probables not available

    MILB.com has an awesome schedule page where you can click and see a list of games by organization.

    1. J-Rod pitched last night, so he won’t be part of that DH today. It’s not clear to me who will start the second game; perhaps a bullpen game?

  6. This is a little bit off the track, but two days ago we were talking about strikeout totals by Phils minor leaguers. I think we forgot to mention Hyatt, who last year had 181 Ks across two levels. He won’t get there this year, but he has one more start left and should clear 160 at least.

    1. You are correct. Hyatt had 181 last year. My post yesterday was by top minor leaguer K totals by year. May had 182 last year to top the list.

    2. His overall numbers aren’t dominant, and he’s kind of up there in age for a prospect, but his ability to get strikeouts makes me think Hyatt will be able to pitch in the major leagues. Might be as a reliever but I always like finding his name in the box scores. I’m curious to see what he’ll do next year in a (I think) less hitter friendly park.

  7. I wonder if Franco’s stint in Lakewood approved his plate discipline or if people are just pitching around him now.

    1. It certainly looks like it didn’t hurt him.
      I am really interested to see how they place Franco and Harold Martinez next year. It would seem that Martinez could handle the jump to A+, considering he played major college ball for 3 years.
      Lakewood could be very interesting if they decide to start Franco and Tyler Green on the left side of the infield together.

      1. I believe the Phils think they have somebody special in Franco, and thus he needs to play at Lkwd in ’12. HMart would clear the way for that by moving up to Clwtr in ’12. IMO, they regard Franco more highly than HMart. HMart didn’t exactly tear the cover off the ball this season though he fields the position very well. In order to awaken his pre-2011 season in college he will need some good ideas to straigten out his swing/approcah which they would concentrate on in post-season work in the FIL…and spring training.

        T.Greene seems the apparent choice for SS at Lkwd. He could move qucikly up the ladder with the tools he’s displayed so far. Another question is whether Quinn or Walding will be playing SS in the GCL. Asche is suddenly starting to hit, aqn expectation seemingly fulfilled for now. He could start at 2nd base at Lkwd…then where would the one not playing SS play?

        There had been some mention in pre-draft reports that Asche has limited lateral movement which doesn’t suit any infield position…and maybe why he was tried at 2nd to see if that’s true. A suggestion was also made that he could end up at catcher. Lots to follow in ’12.

        1. I’ll guess: They will jump Harold Martinez to Clearwater at 3B. They will start Franco at 3B at Lakewood. They will start Tyler Greene in extended spring, similar to how they handled Jon Singleton, then move him to Lakewood. They will play Quinn at SS and play Walding at 3B in Williamsport.

  8. I’m already excited for next season. The farm is infused with new young talent and surely 2-3 of them have the potential to be better than avg big leaguers. And we can always dream a couple of them come out of no where to become all-stars.

    I am most looking forward to seeing if we have a legit 3B of the future in HMART or Franco. Galvis had a very nice season and he could be an MLB SS I just don’t see him being an impact type SS so can Tyler Greene or Walding be that guy.

    Last but not least what will Valle’s progression be. I love Chooch and can’t ever imagine the Phils without him but Valle has a certain type of make-up, a Rollins type swagger that face of the franchise type player you need on a championship team. Can he continue to hit and improve behind the plate.

    1. Valle will move slowly. Look at Travis d’Arnaud. He ate up AA this year in the Toronto system. I was wondering why he wasn’t pushed to AAA. The answer is he’s only 22 and they’ll move him up one level at a time. Valle will get the same treatment. He’s only 20 and based on his tail-off at the end of this year, he needs to get stronger. Put him on the Galvis regiment and let him progress and learn on the way up. I would not be surprised to see him repeat (spend 2 years) either AA or AAA on his way to the Majors.

      1. I don’t quite understand what D’Arnaud and the Jays have to do with Valle and the Phillies but I will entertain the point its likely he goes to Reading next season to start and as long as he holds his own he’ll spend a few seasons there.

        I don’t however see them making him repeat High A.

        1. Is it me, but it seems MLB clubs keep catchers longer in the minors these days and bring them up after 5/6 years of minor league seasoning. Maybe I am wrong on this, but I remember the Big Red Machine bringing Johnny Bench up at 20, and Munson was up at 22/23. And Pudge I and II were in their early twenties also. Now Posey is an exception, but he did play college ball for few years.

          1. Believe part of that is that catchers coming up don’t know how to call a game anymore. From little league through high school/college, coaches have decided that they need to call all the pitches from the dugout. As a result, the kids never learn how to sequence pitches, read the pitchers “stuff”, etc.

            When they get to the pro game, they need to learn how to catch.

          2. No one in the minor leagues is as good as those guys. Heck no one in the major leagues is as good as those guys.

      2. Catching in Clearwater is a draining experience…wicked hot and humid. Not really a surprise that he’s tailed off.

  9. Ironically, just before being optioned down, Schwimer had his first scoreless inning in the majors. Still waiting for a “clean” inning though. Manuel and Dubee did a good job of bringing him in at a time when there were no left-handed batters in sight!

    1. His first outing with the Phils on 8/24 he pitched three innings, two of which were scoreless, one of which was clean (he struck out Desmond, Ankiel, and Zimmerman 1-2-3).

  10. Schwim will probably be back tomorrow. At least I hope so. He just has to learn to be intense from the first pitch. Most everyone has to adjust .

    1. Any player optioned down to the minors within a ten day span prior to September 1st still has to wait the full ten days until he can return to the majors.

    2. Well, he also has to find a solution that will allow him to get left-handed batters out. In the majors, it is ,333 (left-handed hitters BA) vs. .167 (right-handed hitters BA) in a very, very small sample. In AAA, in a larger sample, it was .303 (left-handed hitters BA) and .135 (right-handed hitters BA).

  11. Last night was the first time I actually got to see Schwim pitch. It seems like he throws a lot of breaking balls and off speed stuff. Hanigan was visibly upset that he let a high curveball go by too. It’s just one inning, but I’d like to see him establish the fastball a little more and/or keep those breaking balls down more.

    1. Not the first time I’ve seen him pitch. Still not sure why there was such a clamoring for him to be placed on the MLB team. There must have been a need to see a pitcher throw average pitches up in the zone continuously.

      1. Well most of us hadn’t seen him pitch before he was called up to the Phillies. All we knew is that he’s a likeable guy and he’s dominated everywhere he’s been in the minors. I’m not writing him off. We knew he didn’t have electric stuff, but there’s still more he can and will improve on I think. Besides, he earned his shot at the majors.

  12. Attended last night’s Lakewood doubleheader.

    – Biddle not especially sharp. I was sitting in OF grass and couldn’t see radar gun readings on him much, as the sun was shining right on CF. Few times I did see them it looked like he was sitting high 80s. Didn’t see any 90s readings. Got no inclination from anything that happened on the field where Biddle may have hurt himself, though I may have missed it with four young children to keep track of.

    – Austin Wright was very impressive in the second game, he needs to move up. He was inducing a lot of swings and misses. Had a no-hitter until the fifth inning. CF gun had him sitting in the mid-80s with his fastball, so he must have some very good deception and offspeed stuff to get that many swings and misses. He’s got a nice big frame and a good, compact delivery. If they can get a few more ticks of velocity out of him, he may have a chance.

    – No hitters were especially impressive. Hewitt singled and manufactured a run in one game when he stole second and third and scored on a bad throw from the C that went into LF. Had a few other hits as well. He does have a magnificent throwing arm and some other nice tools, such as the speed. Would be nice to see the light go on for him. Drew Hillman, just up from the GCL, hit several balls hard and had hits in each game. Carlos Alonso also looked good for the Claws.

  13. From BA’s daily dish

    Julio Rodriguez doesn’t overpower hitters, but the Phillies righthander still finds ways to get swings and misses thanks to his deception and feel for his craft.

    One day after his 21st birthday, Rodriguez was at his best Tuesday night, throwing six shutout innings for high Class A Clearwater against Brevard County. Rodriguez limited the Manatees to one hit and two walks while striking out 10, his third double-digit strikeout game of the season. He didn’t figure in the decision, keeping his record at 16-7, but he did drop his ERA down to 2.73.

    An eighth-round pick in 2008, Rodriguez surpassed his previous career-high for innings pitched (90) long ago, as Tuesday’s start brought his season total up to 152. We’ll have to see what impact that has on him next year, but Rodriguez hasn’t worn down at all as this year’s gone on. In fact, he’d only gotten better. Rodriguez is riding a 22-inning shutout streak dating back to Aug. 12 and his 2.50 ERA since the midpoint of the season is the second best in the Florida State League.

  14. Also from BA, they talked about the rosters for the AFL. The article was subscriber only, so I’ll just summarize as their were a few Phillies mentioned in various categories:

    Trying to bounce back – Tyson Gillies – mention that he needs to be protected on 40 and Phils need to see what he is

    Sleeper Prospect – Tyler Cloyd – Phils have long liked his ability to pitch, fringy 86-89 FB, has a 4-pitch mix, could be back of rotation guy if he puts it all together

    Time is running out: B.J. Rosenberg – mentions FB plays up out of pen (95 mph, but a straight FB), secondary stuff is just OK, has been passed by Stutes and Schwimmer

    1. Yes, there are always exceptions but Jamie Moyer is just that, the exception and not the rule.

      Maybe Rodriguez is also an exception but with his lack of stuff, he’ll have to prove it at each level.

    2. Might also want to note that Jamie Moyer was a pretty bad pitcher until he hit his mid-thirties. That certainly gives Jrod some time to develop!!!

    3. Well J-Rod’s not a lefty. But he doesn’t throw 82 either (I hope). I doubt he’s really like Moyer in any way. He sounds more like Bronson Arroyo to me.

  15. Comparing the fastball or lack there of. And the success Jamie had in the majors as a non fireballer.

  16. When people go to game and post velocity on guys, i personally love it,if a guy is righthanded and doesnt throw a knuckleball, and cant hit 91-94 sorry he isnt a prospect to me. if biddle is mid or high eightly then he isnt a top end prospect either. How many guys get buy as starters with under ninety velocity maybe for a first year but it catches up with most. so happy to cross off the soft tosser, becasuse the odds are they never become anything in the majors.

    1. Well Hamels in the Reds start was hitting 90-91. So I am not sure your logic holds true, as Hamels is an outstanding major legue pitcher. I would put Worley in that same range as well, and he has done OK.

      1. Hamels/Worley were sitting at 90-91, not hitting 90-91. Big difference between those two things. Would also note that Hamels is coming back off of shoulder inflammation and his velocity appeared to be down a tick. He was regularly in the 93-94 range earlier in the season.

        That being said, you can’t just judge a prospect by his velocity reading. There are many major league pitchers who are successful pitching with a fastball in the 87-89 MPH range. The average ML fastball is considered to be 90.

    1. Fun with fact-checking: Jazayerli (who I completely respect as a writer, for the record) bemoans the Phillies’ average line-up age of 31.8. Terrible, I agree! But compare that with another “veteran” line-up, the New York Yankees from 1998 (just picked a random year, yknow) to the present. In that time, the range of average line-up age goes from 30.0 to 32.4. At what point in the past thirteen years did the Yankees’ window eclipse, again?

      I know “bash the front-runners” stories are great for page-views, but this team *just* traded for a 28-year old outfielder. Can we maybe give the “look how old they are!” stories a break for the rest of the season?

      1. They will also pick up 14-years next season when the 39-year-old Ibanez will be replaced with the 25 year-old Brown and the 35 year-old Gload is replace with someone a bit younger. Agree that the whole age thing is overblown since the individual parts are constantly changing.

      2. The Yankees are sui generis. I agree that the Phillies’ high salary somewhat insulates them from the “aging” phenomenon, but only an (essentially) unlimited payroll like the Yankess completely isolates a team from aging related declines.

        The article goes too far, and I expect the team to still be good next year, but there is no question at all that the team’s age profile contains signficant risks next year and more risks in 2013-2014 (after which point there are too many variables to predict).

        Next year in particular the team almost HAS to be worse – not just because of aging, but because of a payroll situation that will limit their ability to fill holes & the lack of major league ready prospects other than Brown and maybe a reliever or two – but worse than a projected 105 to 110 wins will still be darn good and a threat to win it all.

  17. He makes some valid points, although he simple does not understand what RH means to this club….also, he looks like a friggin genius in his previous article RAVING about Beltran….the Giants are 10-23 since that trade and have faded away in the NL West…..I thought THEY were the new NL dynasty?

  18. said if a right hander doesnt hit those numbers not a lefthander and hamels is at 93 when he needs.start naming me great righthanders under 90 who were good that didnt throw a knuckball.and how can you say worley in his first year wait until the league all see him. look at the history of pitchers, not many can get away with low velocity and mid 80 or 88 for a lefthander is tough to get out major league hitters. sure there are some exception but very rare. look up marty bystrom went 6-0 for phillies until league caught up to him. let worley do it for a year or so then use could use him as a example.

    1. Not to get off-track on the game-day thread but Jair Jurrjens and Jerrid Weaver are a couple active examples of guys who are pretty successful with fastballs that sit in the upper 80s.

      Greg Maddox had a pretty good career throwing under 90 for most of his career (he was in the low 90′s early in his career)

      1. FWIW, Maddux could hit 94, even 95 early in his career but he then learned how to pitch and focused on hitting spots at 91 (and later 86-87) instead of overthrowing just to light up a gun.

        1. again, its not about what number a pitcher can “hit” but at what velocity can he sustain. Early in his career Maddox generally sat at 91-92 but most of his best seasons were when he was more in the 87-89 range.

    1. Anybody that had him *out* of the top ten was delusional . . . one bad season doesn’t tank a talent of like that. But I don’t think tonight’s start was the turning point. He needs to come into next season in shape and healthy. I expect he will, and by mid-season he’ll be a top fifty prospect again.

      1. Brody needs to visit a top trainer over the off-season. One of the biggest difference makers in baseball career progression, after talent.

  19. last time that i mention sorrry but you must mean a diffeeent weaver. j weaver throws from 89 to 94 ,so when he is in trouble he can pump it up thats my point, cause a guy throws a 89 fastball doesnt mean he cant get his velocity up it called changeing speeds. even maddox could get up to 92 or 93 when he wanted to ,but my opinion is low velocity failure rated is really high, and its proven by all the happs and kendricks you see, kendricks is a border line pitcher who gets get run support. who cant break a egg after this year when he leaves the phillies he will most likey wind up in the minors after a year with other org.

    1. According to Fangraphs, Jered Weaver’s average fastball velocity is 89. But your bar has moved if we are now talking about a pitcher who can only HIT 88-89 vs. a guy who SITS at 88-89.

      But we are in basic agreement that a right-handed pitcher with an average fastball in the 87-89 range needs to have something else going for them to be successful, either pin-point control or terrific movement. That’s why a guy like J-rod will need to continue to have great numbers as he moves through the system to be considered a significant prospect.

      1. Correct me if I am wrong—–but didn’t Ryan Madson, about 3/4 years ago gain about 4/5 mph velo—-and the radio guys were puzzled how he did it over the off season. And he was around 26 years old at the time. So it can be done and JRod can still gain a few clicks on his FB.

        1. Uptick came when he switched to reliever and could pitch max effort for 1 inning, as opposed to trying to get through 7+ innings, which you cannot do max effort unless you’re Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, or some other freak of nature.

          1. He switched from a 2-3 inning long reliever to a 1 inning max guy and he also took up Jamie Moyer’s conditioning program (there was a big article about it back when it happened…Moyer basically forced him to do it and it worked out significantly).

        2. I remember reading an article, which I can’t locate now, that related how Tom Gordon had taken Madson to see some pitching expert who showed him how to increase his velocity. Incidentally, my recollection is that Madson could always throw 95/96, but not consistently until after this incident.

        3. I think he could still pick up a few MPH (Kendrick actually has) but until that happens, he’s a marginal ML starter.

        4. There is no doubt that Madson improved his velocity in 2008 and the difference was considerable. He went from 89-93 (sitting at 90-92) to 93-97 (sitting at 94-96). In other words, he went from having the velocity of a middle reliever to having a closer’s velocity and, with that, his confidence and performance soared. Oddly, recently, his velocity is down again, but not to the early 2008 levels – I don’t know if it is tiredness or mechanics or just the fact that he has permanently lost speed.

  20. J-Rod should be introduced to Mr. Kocher. A good off-season physical therapy regimen might add a couple ticks to his fb. It seems so obvious that I wonder why more prospects don’t take advantage of that kind of opportunity. The only other thing that MAY be keeping him from the show is his issuing too many walks. With a few more ticks AND better command he could fit into the top 5 prospects.

    1. ArtD……here is another reference to Madson’s therapist from his website….’Physiotherapy Associates’ Keith Kocher, PT, MOMT, FAAOMPT, treated Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Ryan Madson for shoulder tenderness in May of 2008. Kocher first saw Madson at his Tempe Clinic in May. Madson was experiencing shoulder tenderness during the Phillies’ spring training. His teammate, Tom Gordon, referred him to Kocher, who helped treat him for a similar shoulder problem in the past. In one visit, Kocher completed his consultation and set up a shoulder-specific program for Madson’s condition. “The goal was to evaluate Ryan’s shoulder pain, establish an exercise program to increase his arm health and throwing tolerance, and return to throwing without pain,” Kocher said. Madson credited Kocher and the team’s athletic trainers for the improvements in his shoulder’s condition. “As a baseball fan, I enjoy watching players we have rehabilitated playing again, at or above their pre-injury level,” Kocher said.

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