Box Score Recap, 31 August 2011

August and everything after. Which is only a few more games. Man this season flew by. After the season ends, I have some ideas for discussion topics, and then we have Arizona Fall League games and lots of other stuff. For now, box scores

CLW Game 1 and Game 2

Weekly Phillies Chatter (sorry I forgot the link yesterday, I’m sure you found it anyway)

87 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 31 August 2011

  1. Current Mid-season Top 30

    4. RHP – Brody Colvin (CLW-8/14/90)- (3-8, 4.71) – 6.2 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 5 K (win)
    8. SS – Freddy Galvis (LHV-11/14/89) – (.321) –1 for 4 with a 2B (6), K
    9. 3B – Maikel Franco (WIL-8/26/92) – (.293) –1 for 5 with an RBI (36)
    12. OF – Jiwan James (CLW-4/11/89) – (.268) – 2 for 7 with 2 SB (31)
    16. 3B – Harold Martinez (WIL-5/31/90) – (.257) – 0 for 2 with 3 runs, 2 BB, K
    22. 3B – Carlos Rivero (REA-5/20/88) –(.280) 1 for 4 with 2 BB, K
    23. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (REA/12/24/85)– (.290) – 1 for 4 with a HR (24), 2 RBI (79), 2 BB, K
    25. OF – Kyrell Hudson (WIL-16/6/90) – (.271) – 1 for 5 with a 2B (9), CS (11)
    26. OF – Aaron Altherr (WIL-1/14/91) – (.268) – 1 for 5 with 2 K
    28. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (CLW-5/23/90) – (.268) – 2 for 6 with an RBI (37), CS (9)
    29. 2B– Cody Asche (WIL-6/20/90) – (.200) 2 for 4 with a 2B (11), 2 runs, RBI (19)
    30. OF – Derrick Mitchell (REA-1/5/87)- (.263) – 1 for 6 with a HR (19), RBI (77), K

    Other names of interest

    1B – Cody Overbeck (LHV-6/5/86) – (.268) – 2 for 3 with a BB, K
    3B – Travis Mattair (CLW-12/21/88) – (.213) 0 for 2 with a BB, K
    LHP – Joe Savery (LHV-11/4/85) – (4-0, 1.96) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, K
    RHP – Colby Shreve (CLW-1/15/88) – (1-1, 3.48) – 2 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, K (loss)
    RHP – Juan Sosa (CLW-10/11/89) – (1-0, 3.00) – 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

        1. I was just kidding. My life coach told me I need to express my inner a-hole once in awhile by posting petty comments in all caps. I find the daily recap very convenient and appreciate the time you put in to it, Ketch.

  2. Ethan Stewart is he a gift from Canada? Hmart no hits three runs scored THAT is hard to do.
    Savery needs a look see.

      1. I think it would be great if he pinch hit for a pitcher in the 7th, and then pitched in the other half of the inning.

        1. Rick…for the one billionth time, that won’t work. A pitcher needs to warm up, and cannot do that if he is batting.

          1. So he can’t warm up, walk in from the bull pen and hit in a particular spot? Will he melt? Turn to dust? Simply evaporate before our very eyes?

            Really? A BILLION times? That seems like an awful lot.

          2. The funny part is that he generally failed as a hitter in AA but somehow he’s a viable bat off the bench in the majors? As of this moment, I would rather use Cliff Lee as a pinch hitter off the bench if they needed someone other than a regular position player.

            1. Actually he hit very well last year at Triple A, and has shown in the past the ability to do so. Didn’t go so far as to call him a ‘viable’ bat, but what I was implying was that in the age of the 12 man pitching staff, he’d be a roster spot that served a dual purpose.

            2. Rick,

              He had 46 at-bats in AAA last year, hardly a sign of anything. And my point still stands that in the age of 12 man pitching staffs, Cliff Lee is a better PH option. The whole dual roll thing is a side-show and not a serious option.

            3. While I agree he coming out of the pen to pinch hit and remain in the game is unlikely (a more likely scenario is him coming into the game and then hitting for himself only to give way for another pitcher the following inning) I think you are being a bit over the top.

              Why is 46 AB in AAA too small a sample to read into whereas 35 AB in AA means you can conclude he generally failed as a hitter?

            4. Cliff Lee isn’t the better PH option merely for the fact you don’t want a $120 pitcher running the bases like it matters, yet a $400k reliever busting his tail to make the team is less of an issue. He had more AB’s in AAA where he succeeded than he did in his aborted AA attempt, not to let the facts get in the way of your hypothesis….

            5. You’re correct, should have said that he failed as a hitter overall, just not at AA. His career 739 OPS across all levels of the minors isn’t going to cut it.

              And I agree that using Cliff Lee as a regular pinch-hitter is a bad idea, just like using some bullpen pitcher.

  3. Good to see Ethan Stewart get a start in the NYPenn. Hard to believe Ethan Stewart made it to that level before both Walter and Musser.

  4. Nice game for Lavin- two hits, walk, steal. Stewart wild. His groundout-flyout rate this year is pretty good, although the walks need to come down.
    Decent day for James- two hits, walk and two steals between the two games. Nice outing for Colvin.
    Galvis doubles and Ks…two hits, a walk and a K for Overbeck. Nice outing for Savery. He has been really, really good as a reliever this year. It would be nice to see a September call-up and maybe a few low-pressure innings for him

  5. Mitchell and Rizz with back-to-back HRs. Schreve with his first bad outing at CLW. Juan Sosa has been quietly solid. He’s now given up 1 ER in his last 10 2/3 innings. He’s improved since moving up to CLW. His K/9 is better. ERA and BA against is better.

  6. Colvin showing why he’s a Top 10 prospect, or Top 15 perhaps. Miserable year for him. Let’s hope he comes back and dominates High-A tro start next season.

      1. Threshers rotation might be the most exciting on the Pharm in 2012 as well. Add Claypool and Buchanan (already at Clearwater to that list.

        Biddle, Colvin, Buchanan, Claypool and Bonilla – not too shabby. Might even be better than this season’s Thresher’s rotation

        1. I think Buchanan may go to Reading. Either way, next years rotation won’t be anywhere near as good as this year’s rotation. Biddle, Colvin, Bonilla, Wright and Morgan.

          1. Not sure Wright and Morgan will both start the season at CLW—-one may, and the other could get called up from LKW later in the year.

          2. Where’s Claypool n your scenario. And thanks for your assurance that next year’s rotation won’t be anywhere near this season’s. You say it so matter-of-factly . . what else you see in your magic ball my anonymous friend

  7. On Biddle’s knee from Kevin Czerkerski-CSNPhilly:
    Biddle said he felt something in the knee on the first play of the game. Jurickson Profar hit a comebacker to Biddle, who tweaked the knee when trying to push off to field the ball.
    “It’s nothing major, just kind of wear and tear from the end of the season,” Biddle told “I was nursing a hip injury from about a month ago and I think that played into hurting the knee. In the fifth inning, the knee started tightening up and I had trouble landing on it. There was a play at the plate and I had to cover behind the plate and it wasn’t too good so I came out. I’m going to go to the doctor in the next day or two and I’m done for the season. I’m not pitching any more. I don’t think Instructional League is up in the air, though. I’m just going to take a little time to get this fully better. The goal for Instructs was to work on the other parts of being a pitcher like fielding and pick-off moves, trying to become more of a complete pitcher.”

  8. Kudos to Joe from Havertown for eliciting this nugget from Klaw on J-Rod:

    Joe (Havertown, PA)

    (Sorry if a repost. Software acting weird) Please help me categorize Julio Rodriguez. I understand that his velocity precludes him from being a typical prospect but his results have been very impressive. How do scouts rationalize players whose performance does not match expectations, over multi season sample sizes?

    Klaw (1:43 PM)

    Guys don’t pick up the ball well out of his hand, though. Deception is a real skill, or tool, even if we don’t always grade it out.

  9. James – one topic I would love for you to cover in the off season is how scouts miss on prospects that have great numbers. Specifically, how we had such blah reports on Bastardo even though he had such amazing minor league numbers. I mean, we are talking about one of the best relievers in the game today. At 25. His performance is unworldly. And if you look at his minor league stats, it doesn’t seem like a stretch. He blew away competition in the minors. Awesome numbers. Yet we kept getting very average reports all the way through. J-Rod might be the same type of player. And I think it would be a good exercise to dig into this. Have a thorough analysis/debate on how this happens.

    1. If the season ended today Bastardo would have the lowest batting average against for a pitcher with more than 40 innings. His stuff looks electric to this layman.

    2. Don’t really remember Bastardo having bad reports in the minors regarding his “stuff”. His primary issues were that he couldn’t stay healthy and his control wasn’t good. He was also working as a starter exclusively until 2009 and his off speed pitches weren’t consistent. Once he was converted to a full-time reliever his career took off.

      1. I always thought Bastardo was known for his change-up, not slider. The comparisons were to Santana. His slider is just fantastic and he rarely uses his change.

        1. You are right. When he was a starter in Clearwater and Reading, reports were that his change-up was his best off-speed pitch and he needed to improve his slider.

      2. I remember getting all amped up about him in 2007 and one of the BA guys basically saying something like “don’t get too excited, he’s little and only throws in the low-90s. He has an excellent change. Most project him as a reliever.”

      3. His FB was always recognized as plus, also his ability to miss bats. Everyone here abd Renegade, plus Phils staff, knew he need to come on better with the slider, be more consistent, find the right release angle. But several people recognized his potential for being a standout. He was never ranked real high, on the basis of his being a releiver without clear closer credentials (slider not there yet). But I argued ranking him higher. My view is if a guy has the ability to be one of the best in the league in his role, even if it’s a middle reliever, he should be kicked up in the rankings. That’s on the theory many have that stopping an opponent rally in the 6th or 7th inning is just as important as closing out the game. (I understand the value of having a guy whose mindset is geared to pitching well in the last inning of a 1-0 game with men on base, but that doesn’t change overall value much in most game situations).

        Bastardo was well appreciated by those who followed him closely and saw all the signs, such as a very high K/IP and a FB with exceptional life. He was an all-star in the making 2-3 years ago, and barring injury, should get strong consideration next year for that.

        1. Bastardo got a lot of attention here on this site in 2008. Every thread seemed to be most of readers arguing that he was spectacular, while the other side would temper the excitement by saying he was an injury waiting to happen due to his size. That side also argued that Joe Savery and Carpenter were better prospects because they would be able to remain starters.

    3. Part of the issue is that Bastardo’s performance is unprojectable. He’s been a bit lucky this season. And I don’t mean that disparagingly. Psujoe said Bastardo would have the lowest batting average against if the season ended today. You know it would be the lowest in a season for as long as data exists? By 20 points. That’s ridiculous. There’s just no way you can predict that kind of performance.

    4. I’d like to see some research, sure.

      What I suspect to be the case – and I’m not sure about this, I’m not in my arrogant mode for this one – is that we would find that (1) there is no real common pattern regarding “misses” by scouts (but see below for a possible exception), and (2) scouting reports generally are going to be more reliable than relying on raw stats. (Of course ideally you incorporate both).

      I suspect that to the extent that there is a pattern, it may be that scouts tend to miss on releif pitchers, for reasons which I think are pretty obvious.

      What I see sometimes on this site are people who look at the raw stats and want to completely dismiss the scouting reports. That’s a mistake. To take J-Rod as an example, it’s certainly possible that the scouts are missing something on him, but it’s not as if the scouts are dismissing the numbers completely or dismissing him entirely as a prospect. Some people around here, though, seem to want to dismiss the scouting entirely and JUST look at the stats. IMO a mistake.

    5. I also think Bastardo is a sort of odd example – while the scouts didn’t project quite this level of success (and let’s face it, in the long run, there will be some regression to the mean), he was a well regarded prospect. He failed as a starter; obviously that negatively effected his scouting reports to some extent. And there were some inujury issues as well. But I don’t recall the kind of scouting reports we’re getting regarding J Rod – no discounting of minor league performance, at all.

      Again this is a gut feeling, rather than something I can support with hard data, but I tend to think that the kind of reservations we are hearing about J Rod from scouts more often than out prove to be true. Hopefully this will be one of the exceptions. And even if it isn’t, IMO he projects as a major league starter if he remains healthy. Just not a front of the rotation starter.

      1. I wonder if J-Rod is similar to Jurrgens. He doesn’t throw that hard, but he knows how to pitch and he’s deceptive.

        I will say, however, that we have heard greatly varying reports on J-Rod’s velocity for a couple of years. Perhaps he may still gain a tick or two on the fastball or be able to maintain his velocity from start to start. The good news, as I have stated previously, is that, if anything, the velocity numbers we have been getting with respect to our minor league pitchers tend to be either accurate or understated. If you sat today and forced me to guess, I would bet that J-Rod sits between 89-91 and touches 92 or 93. Just a guess based on the statistics and what we’ve read about him.

        Speaking of velocity, I’m not sure if anyone has been watching the Pigs games, but Aumont is routinely in the high 90s these days.

        1. I get the Jurrgens comparison, I do, and obviously I hope that he ends up being a good comp. But what some people forget is that Jurrgens WAS regarded as a very good prospect (e.g., Braves 3rd ranked prospect entering 2006), so obviously the scouts were seeing something there that they aren’t seeing in J Rod (yet?). (And yes, I know that there were doubts about whether he could repeat his ROY campaign, and then he did and then some. But I also think the jury is still out on whether he is going to be a top of the rotation starter over the long haul.)

          But again, I do like j Rod as a prospect, just with reservations because of the scouting reports. And as we see with the recent Keith Law comment, the scout-types seem to be starting to take notice to some extent.

  10. I don’t know how they missed on Bastardo. He has always had an electric arm. Last year he struggled to adjust to big league hitting but this year the light went on.

    1. During his minor leagues career, he was wild and had a series of injuries to his arm…which turned him away from any chance of starting so they turned him to relief. His endurance–for a pretty small guy for a MLB pitcher–also had been questionable. He found his home was in relief where he usually didn’t have to throw more than 30 pitches in a game. His command has improved greatly, so much so that his missing on a vital 3-2 pitch is unusual. His name had been mentioned for years, in the background, until his role and competency became almost suddenly apparent. What they saw there all along has come forth, slowly but now certainly.

      Another find by the scouts and development by good coaching.

  11. Sorry axe the z and put an s.
    Cloyd post all-star 2.30 and improving. Probably only needs to improve in the stretch to make a serious run in spring training. Maybe the first injury replacement.

    1. Cloyd and Claypool have both come from the big pack of horses at the back and are gaining fast on the lead position. Not saying they are May or JRod yet, but have really come on. 2nd-half consistency a big plus, that’s what separates them from other talented guys who occasionally have a dominant game.

  12. Cloyd may have passed hyatt as the 6th starter next year if oswalt doesn’t sign and depending on what happens with KK. I wish he went to LHV pigs for at least a month this year but I’m happy he is going to AFL to asses where he is. Might not be ready till mid season though and just a replacement type player for the short term bt there is value in that. If he had to get 6 starts next year and provided 2-2- 4.50 tht’s real value.

  13. On the topic of middle infielders . . .

    Alonso has definitely caught my attention. He is old for the league, but has done very well including showing outstanding plate discipline. His performance in Clearwater next year should
    tell us a lot.

    I think we also need to pay closer attention to Michael Martinez. Martinez came to baseball very late and has shown steady improvement along the way. His statistics aren’t great, but when you watch him, you realize that he has an awful lot of talent and speed. What has both impressed and surprised me is that Martinez has the ability to drive the ball very hard. I expect him to take a very significant step forward next year. It’s not usual for a Rule 5 guy to be 28 years old and it’s also not usual for a player to improve significantly after age 27, but it does happen (see Davey Lopes’ career numbers) and I think Martinez will prove to be one of those rare exceptions.

    1. Agree he has talent. I’d love to see him get smarter at the plate, not swing at first-pitch sucker pitches as much, become both a better contact hitter and take walks. The way he fields, if he hits .270, .335 OBP, hit 8-10 HRs, he could start if needed or as a stopgap for Rollins. I am simply uncertain, though, if he can handle SS for a full season fielding. He certainly makes some plays like he can do it. But even if he winds up a utility guy (plays OF also!), he will need to hit better. If he keeps hitting .220, he will die on the vine.

  14. This is the year, next year the braves may be a bigger problem. I was checking farm system and came on Tyler Pastornicky a ss who is excelling at AAA (came with Alex G.). And of cource they have a boat load of pitchers.
    I can’t wait to get a look at Galvis.

    1. The Braves are an outstanding organization. They won 14 straight division titles and then the last two years they have had excellent teams. I’m not sure how they did in 2006, 2007, 2008 but in 2009 they were pretty good and once again in 2010 and 2011 they are at the top of baseball. They do an outstanding job integrating young players. Think of all the players that have come up through their system over the years: Heyward, Freeman, Laroche, K. Johnson, Kimbrel, Venters, Klesko, C. Jones, A. Jones, Betemit, Dye. They have integrated these young players while winning at the same time. It remains to be seen whether the Phils can carry on the winning tradition they have started. Adding young players constantly seems to be a good way of doing this. I think the Phils do give young players a shot every year and they also have a lot of money to spend now. It will fascinating to see if their championship run does not end with the aging of the current group of stars. I think that they can pull it off.

      1. The Braves, like the Yankees and a few others, break the bank on Latin FAs and if you look at this year’s top ten prospects in their system —6 of them are Latin FAs–with Delgado and Teheran at the top.—– Once there is a draft of Latin FAs we will see how effective they are in player scouting and development, along with the other teams ala Yankees and Rangers.

        1. They need to break the bank on Latin FA’s because they spend next to nothing on the draft. They are one of the few teams that spend even less than the Phillies, whom everybody on this site complains about consistently being cheap.

  15. We all know Anthony Hewitt can be a tease but he has been killing it the past ten games .389/.421/.583. And only six strikeouts! He’s still not getting walks, and he’s probably benefitting from some late-season call-ups on opposing pitching staffs. But hey, glad to see him ending on a high note.

    1. I think the Phils have still not given up on Hewitt. They like the power and speed he has shown and he will compete for a job in the Florida State League this year.

      1. I agree. I would be pretty shocked if he were not manning the OF in CLW next year. Let’s see, a 23-year-old OF in CLW with power, speed, athleticism, and a history of poor plate discipline…reminds me of DERRICK MITCHELL circa 2010! Can’t wait for those conversations next year…

          1. yeah i know i would hate to have him hit 19HR, and have 19SB, with 78RBIs, and 5 diving catches in the OF which shows great versatility. Yeah a player with great power and great speed, man a player like that doesn’t deserve to be on the field. yeah to bad for Anthony Hewitt, im sure he doesn’t want to play that bad? Derrick Mitchell will be most likely released into FA next season and picked up by a team who needs Ofs and he will he a 4th OF in the Bigs. And your right I can see why no one would want talent like that on their team.

  16. Anyone have a light bulb with Hewitt’s name on it? PLEASE
    Let’s put Lavin in the hot,hot territory ok.
    Maikel Franco had only one walk at Lakewood. Would I be wrong to think he was nervous and swing at everything?

  17. Is Rizzotti ever going any where besides Reading or maybe LV? He seems solid and is losing in the age game every day. Is it the Ryan Howard situation? What is it? Seriously? What am I missing?

    1. He’s a decent minor league bat but he’s no better than Andy Tracy or Mike Cervenak or a million others before him. He’s not the next Ryan Howard.

    2. The irony with Rizz is that even some of the skeptics like myself may have been a little too optimistic. I really don’t see him getting even a cup of coffee in the majors at this point. He is a “solid hitter,” yes. But “solid” only, and without a position. Players with his defensive limitations only get a chance when their hitting is a lot better than “solid.”

    3. He’s 26 years old in AA hitting .290 and has hit over 17 HRs in a season once, while playing below average 1B. As a 1B only, he had to show much more power to get a chance. He hasn’t forced his chance. Trading for John Bowker, really told us all you need to know about Rizzotti’s perceived ability.

      1. I’ll have to agree with these assessments. That said, I personally like him (great guy, I think he will always mash, better hitter than Dobbs and Gload, maybe, just needs to keep conditioning his body) and would love to see him get a chance to hit in majors. Probably no roster room for a Sept call-up. More likely to get a shot with a lower AL team.

        1. He’s simply not a better hitter than Gload or Dobbs. The minor league numbers for both of those guys are far superior.

        2. Yeah, I kind of like him also. Which is why I may have gotten a little carried away myself last year, even though I was towards the “skeptical” end of the spectrum. But as much as I’d like to see him get a chance to hit in the mjors … he is more positionally limited than Dobbs and a healthy Gload, and that will stop him from getting a shot. Sure he is a better hitter than they and a lot of major league bench guys are, but how many players as positionally limited as he is carve out any kind of major league bench role? They either hit enough to be regulars or they are AAA players at best. And I don’t think he’ll hit quite enough to be a regular, even on a lower tier team. Even IMO in the AL, DHs tend to be “proven” major leaguers who have defensive limitations. I mean I hope I am wrong, but I don’t see it.

          1. Well, the story on Rizzotti this year is that he has not been at full strength. Apparently, he has been battling a hand injury all year. So it would not surprise me to see him get promoted next year and do even better at a higher level. If I’m the Pirates or Astros or Padres or a light hitting AL team, I think about acquiring Rizzotti, having him play in AAA and playing it by ear. I do think he will hit enough and get on base enough to at least get a cup of coffee and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stuck around in the majors for a few years. Then again, it wouldn’t surprise me if he were a graduate assistant coach at Fordham a couple of years from now, working on his MBA.

      2. your analysis is spot on, 25 hrs is nothing he should have had 95 to show true power? instead of writing posts on PP you should do this for a living.

  18. Bastardo has excelled at not only getting to 0-1 but doing it with a quality pitch. Idiot wheeler is always talking about strike one but the other guy has a bat and it isn’t easy. Batter are also aggressive on that 0-1 pitch and here Bastardo has done even better.
    Only about 13 batters out of 170 have hit the 0-0 pitch fair and only 5 of 93 have done so on the 0-1 pitch that is beautiful.

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