Open Discussion: Week of May 2, 2021

The Phillies are 13-15 after going 3-4 last week.  They split a 4-game series with the Cardinals then managed a 1-2 choke job against the Mets.  They play real teams again this week and will likely have 20 losses this time next weekend.  But, who cares.  The Sixers are playoff bound.  The NFL draft was just completed.  Football is just around the corner.  The NHL playoffs are close sans Flyers.

And, the minor league season starts Tuesday.  But, the Phillies could care less.  Here it is Sunday night and they haven’t released any of their precious affiliates’ rosters.  They show this same disrespect to their fans who follow and care about their prospects every year.  This just shows the lack of awareness Middleton’s people have regarding fans.  MLB may have taken over the minor leagues, but they have no idea how to operate the minor leagues if there isn’t a shit ton of money involved.

Fourteen players were released at the end of spring training.  Those players not assigned or released are likely to be attending extended Spring Training next week.  Releases are in the transactions below.

I miss Carlos Santana at first base.  Or any real first baseman.

Why can’t I see MLB’s standings on the MLB site or the Phillies’ site?

This is the Alt Site Roster.

My estimates of …

The Phillies’ running payroll is $191,091,962.

The Phillies’ salary against the competitive balance tax is $202,454,782.

The Phillies’ margin under the CBT threshold of $210M is $7,545,218. (spreadsheet)

This is the Phuture Phillies Open Discussion for Phillies and other baseball topics.

Key Dates:

  • May 4, 2021 – Opening day for all four full-season affiliates
  • June 25, 2021 – Close of the 2020 international signing period
  • July 11-13, 2021 – 2021 Amateur Draft
  • July 30, 2021: Trade Deadline (4 p.m. ET)
  • Oct. 3, 2021: Regular season concludes

The rosters and lists are up to date as of May 2nd … 305 players in the org

Transactions (newest transactions are in bold print)

There are 12 players who are not in the Phillies Media Guide who I am not counting in the total for the organization. I’m carrying them in their own section on the sheets.

5/02/2021 – Phillies activated CF Roman Quinn from the 10-day IL
5/02/2021 – Phillies optioned CF Mickey Moniak to Training Site
5/01/2021 – Phillies optioned C Rafael Marchan to the Training Site
5/01/2021 – Phillies placed CF Roman Quinn on the 10-day IL
5/01/2021 – Phillies activated SS Didi Gregorius from the 10-day IL
5/01/2021 – Phillies recalled CF Mickey Moniak from the Training Site
4/30/2021 – Phillies recalled C Rafael Marchan from Training Site
4/30/2021 – Phillies placed SS Didi Gregorius on the 10-day IL
4/29/2021 – Jersey Shore released CF Malvin Matos
4/29/2021 – Jersey Shore released LHP Josh Tols
4/29/2021 – Clearwater released RHP Robinson Martinez
4/29/2021 – GCL East released C Cesar Rodriguez
4/29/2021 – GCL East released C Victor Diaz
4/29/2021 – GCL East released RF Raymond Mora
4/29/2021 – GCL East released LHP Cam Beauchamp
4/29/2021 – GCL East released LHP Brenden Kudlinski
4/29/2021 – GCL East released RHP Jamie Sara
4/29/2021 – GCL West released RHP Luis Pacheco
4/29/2021 – GCL West released RHP Connor Hinchliffe
4/29/2021 – GCL West released RHP Daniel Vilchez
4/29/2021 – GCL West released RHP Eudiver Avendano
4/29/2021 – GCL West released C Bruce Wang
4/29/2021 – INF Jake Holmes released
4/29/2021 – RHP Carlos M. Francicso released
4/26/2021 – OF Ryan Cordell assigned to Reading
4/26/2021 – Phillies signed FA CF Ryan Cordell to an MiLB contract
4/26/2021 – Phillies optioned CF Mickey Moniak to the Training Site
4/26/2021 – Phillies optioned RHP Spencer Howard to the Training Site
4/26/2021 – Phillies activated LHP Jose Alvarado from the 10-day injured list
4/26/2021 – Phillies activated LHP Matt Moore from the 10-day injured list
4/26/2021 – Phillies optioned LHP Bailey Falter to the Training Site
4/26/2021 – Phillies selected the contract of CF Odubel Herrera from the Training Site
4/22/2021 – Phillies assigned OF Josh Stephen to the Training Site
4/22/2021 – Phillies assigned OF Cornelius Randolph to the Training Site
4/22/2021 – Phillies assigned INF Dalton Guthrie to the Training Site
4/22/2021 – Phillies assigned LHP Ranger Suarez to the Training Site
4/22/2021 – INF Greg Garcia assigned to the Training Site
4/22/2021 – Phillies signed INF Greg Garcia to an MiLB contract w/May 2nd opt out

253 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of May 2, 2021

  1. So I was a) all about getting rid of Gabe, and b) hiring Girardi, and while I still stand behind a 100%, I can now admit I was wrong on b. This team is so disturbing I don’t even know where you start to break it down. I just can’t do it.

    1. It was never about Gabe. I (and a few other people) posted ad nauseam that Kapler wasn’t the reason the Phillies weren’t winning. It was always Klenatk and MacPhail. No manager was going to win with the roster Klentak put together. I like Girardi. I know he’s a good manager, but even he was four games under .500 last season with a Klentak roster. It really became a personality thing with Gabe. Too many fans and (especially) a morning radio personality hated the things he said and the way he said them.

      One other thing … I’m a Jose Alvarado fan/believer. I was excited for the deal that brought him here this offseason. However, if you’re going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. In a contest filled with embarrassing moments, none was more disgraceful than Alvarado walking two batters (the second to plate the go-ahead run) after yelling and screaming at Dom Smith the other night.

      One final thing for Jim … I use ESPN for MLB standings. I’ve never had any problems with them.

      1. Gave was a TERRIBLE manager here regardless of what team he had around him. I haven’t listened to WIP in more than 20 years and living out of market I rarely ever listened to any Gabe interviews. His managerial decision making was absolutely disgraceful here and that is a fact. What I didn’t appreciate is how much Joe would struggle considering his experience and track record. I think the next manager of the Phillies in 2022 or 2023 might be Sam Fuld.

      2. Yeah, that’s where I end up. But, you’d think MLB cared enough about their product to make sure their standings option on their pages worked.

  2. This team and this baseball year is getting me back to last year, no baseball. I was at ease and didn’t waste my time.

  3. If there has ever been a time to make a few changes to the club, maybe not major changes, but I would think this is the time for Dave D. to do something.
    Not sure who would be involved and what other teams will play along in a trade, but it seems the time is ripe now.
    Fortunately the division is all bunched up, but he cannot wait too long.

  4. Is it just me or is this team just not fun to watch (even when winning)?

    1. For sure its not just ……..just you. This is baseball as ugly as it gets!

  5. Hoskins seems a lot more aggressive this year. Attitude change? Coaching?

    1. I was at the game last night and the 33% k rate is very concerning. Aggressive approach is fine but can’t trade walks for ks.

    2. Hoskins problem is he looks like his first base mitt is made out of solid rock vs leather. For a position that involves a lot of CATCHING the baseball, he really struggles with CATCHING the baseball. He’s like that kid in Little League to stick in the OF and pray that either a) they don’t ever hit it to him, or b) it’s high enough that another player can run to his position to catch it for him.

      1. In his entire Phillies career, he’s been negative WAR on defense and that likely won’t change. At this point. he’s a DH playing 1B.

    1. Not sure what to expect from Kevin Gowdy at this point. He was drafted as an 18 year old out of HS, and he’s only played in 28 games since. He’s now 23. He’s missed so much development time, it’s crazy.

  6. Now missing from the Key Dates section:

    “October 2, 2021 – Phillies clinch a playoff berth in Miami”

    I can’t blame you for omitting it…

  7. Don’t look now but the Dodgers are 4-10 in their last 14 games….with a few key injuries

  8. I’m not nearly as smart and well-versed as everyone on here about the minors, but man it has been FOREVER since we’ve had minor league boxscores to look at. This is like Christmas Eve! Happy Minor League Opening Day tomorrow!!! Here’s to hoping a long list of players in the Phils system have big success so Dealing Dave can go get us a 4th starter, 5th starter, and CF.

  9. JoeG was so desperate for a win that he had to burn Hector for a 5 out save. That means no Hector, no Alvarado tomorrow. Nola is going to have to go deep.

  10. Gotta’ admit I was screaming at the TV for Girardi to lift Hector for Kintzler. Joe knew better.

    1. Hinkie, i Heard on Wip this morning, That he wanted to pull Neris, But Romus told him that with Bases loaded or with two men on, Neris on Monday only is 98% to get the last out, without a run scoring, Romus is a stat machine

      1. rocco….stat tip,
        …go with (Adonis) Medina’s Spirit in the Preakness—to PLACE—…..Bob Baffert is going for record number 8 Preakness winner, but just comes up short, just like Authentic did last year.

  11. Can a pitcher do anything when it’s pouring down rain? Felt for Brogdon last night as he was getting dumped on. Maybe his command wasn’t there anyway but it seemed to affect him. Lucas Sims recently just threw out every ball the ump gave him out of protest and it seemed to work . . .

  12. Beginning to think Coonrod should be the closer. He is the only really predictable reliever right now. At least he creates far less cardiac events.

    1. I like Coonrod a lot too, but I’d like to see him do this for another month before I move him out of the 7th or 8th inning slot. So many guys just go backwards when they move to the closer role. Neris is very hard to watch at times and he’s not a pure closer at all – he’s much better suited to the 8th inning role. But he can do this job okay without falling apart, and that’s worth a bit more than you might think.

    2. At the Majestic Shop in the concourse, they may be selling authentic Phillies Hector Neris’ signed defibrillators

  13. From Jim Salisbury’s article yesterday:

    “Entering Monday night, Phillies center fielders were hitting a combined .098 with a .186 on-base percentage and a .163 slugging percentage. Those were all the worst marks in the majors.

    With second baseman Jean Segura nearing a return from the injured list, Girardi was asked if infielder Nick Maton could see some action in center field.

    “That’s something that has been talked about a little bit,” Girardi said. “We’ve had him take fly balls to increase his availability to us. I’m not sure yet.”

    Though an infielder by trade, Maton profiles as a versatile jack of all trades. Maton entered Monday’s game 16 for 46 (.348) with five doubles.”

    1. I have reservations on CF after watching the attempts the last 2 nights on pop ups. The one down the RF line was about as routine as one can get. The look on Bryce’s face when Maton waved at the ball was priceless. Playing infield and playing outfield are completely different. That is not to say he cannot do it. But shagging balls in batting practice and running down a line drive in the gap are not the same. Something does have to be done though. Quinn is doing ok on defense now but at the plate the count is always 0-2 on him it seems after 2 pitches.

    2. Right, let’s screw up another guy like we did Kingery. Let’s make him a jack of all trades, master of none! Puck!

      1. Skeet…I detect frustration.
        Joe did say something to reporters or on his podcast,about moving Maton off the middle infield, so much early in the start of his career, could actually ‘mess’ him up at the plate.
        TMac mentioned it recently or maybe it was Ben Davis.
        So, they may be hesitant about doing it.

      2. Can we also quit making the defense worse by playing more players out of position. They struggle enough in the position they know.

  14. You guys are all just so funny. I just watched all weekend the travel kids play and then came home Sunday night to see the same kind of plays. Watching the Phillies currently is like watching the 14U travel baseball kids. Missed fly balls, throwing to the wrong base, missed pop ups, missed throws to a base, missed double play opportunities.

    Rhys does not have the flexibility to be a very good first baseman. He is too stiff. But it is amazing how 1 play can change an entire game. His play at 1B after he missed the line drive has to be one of the worst of all time. The ball rolls maybe 30 feet or so and the runner scores from 1st when he sees no one wants to return the ball to the infield.

    I tell my grandson all the time that all you guys need to do is simply make the plays that you should make. The routine play. A-Rod made comment that Phillies had like 6 or so misplayed defensive plays in the game. Even the 14Us usually limit it to 2 or 3.

    Alverado’s pitch 20 feet on the back stop looked just like at the 14Us. I am still watching but it is really HARD to watch.

    1. My son plays 9U travel ball in south Jersey. Going from town ball to travel it’s unreal the talent level improvement. My son plays RF and his coach stresses just always make the play you are supposed to: catch it when it’s hit to you, field the ball cleanly and immediately get it to the cutoff man, hustle all the time, back up 1b on ground balls in the infield. You would think the attention to detail at 9 would translate to making routine plays in the majors. Of course not all MLB played travel ball.

  15. But I have learned to put all of this into perspective. Last Summer I only got to go see my grandson play one night. I have seen all their games this season. Some good, some not so good and they too had a clunker on Sunday evening. But I was glad I was there.

    Also, the local high school here was scheduled to have their prom last Saturday evening. About 5 o’clock in the afternoon four kids going to prom failed to stop at a stop sign and two were killed as they were hit by an oncoming car of another kid headed to the prom. This happened two miles from my house.

    Even though we care the Phillies are just playing a baseball game.

    1. Don53…that is so sad….and cannot imagine the pain that the mother and fathers, and the entire families and their friends are experiencing right now..

    2. Oh my gosh Don, that is so terrible.

      Yes, we all need to remember that this sport is a diversion to make us happy, not a source of anguish and that other things and our loved ones are so much more important.

      Thanks for the perspective.

      1. Thanks guys. I even just learned that the young man is the grandson of a kid I went to elementary school and the girl is the granddaughter of a guy in my class in school. Hug you kids. Hug your grandkids. We just never know. They were going back to the girls house to take pictures and never got there.

  16. After one month of baseball….I just about had it with the umpiring ……deficient in so many ways. Every game there are incorrect calls……on the base paths and balls and strikes.
    This new ABS could be install very soon in the majors, if the commissioner gets frustrated as well.
    Automated balls and strikes (ABS)
    “Robot umpires will be experimented with for the first time in affiliated baseball. …… select low-A games will have the home plate umpire wearing an earpiece connected to TrackMan radar systems installed in the park. The software will say ball or strike to the umpire who announce it to the players and crowd………. calling of balls and strikes isn’t just about umpires getting the call right…..”You’re seeing the ABS being used in the low minors this year because with that comes the potential to change the strike zone to one that is optimal for contact,” Epstein said. “Different strike zones lead to different styles of play.”

    1. Romus you are correct regarding the umpires. Maybe the absolute worst was on McCutcheon Saturday. Even a Little League umpire should get that. My thoughts on why they are so bad is they are NOT ever held accountable. Even the really bad ones get playoff games from time to time.

      Regarding balls and strikes I can live with guys with tight zones or wide zones.
      You adapt. The guys who one pitch in same place is a ball and next in same is a strike are difficult to deal with for any hitter.

      1. Don53….the issue with the plate umps….there tare 70 MLB umpires working in 17 crews of four, plus two national rovers…then you have another dozen or so from AAA who are brought up when umps go on leave/vacation.
        They all have their own quirks in calling balls and strikes.
        The ABS takes all that differing ambiguity out of the picture

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      3. Sorry Don, I can’t let that pass without correcting you. There should not be tight zones and wide zones. Batters should not have to adapt. The strike zone is defined in the Rules of Baseball. Umpires are not entitled to create their own interpretation of the strike zone. Their years of arrogance over this have brought about the need for an automated ball/strike system. Since they can’t be fired, all that can be done is to limit the number of decisions they can make that can negatively impact the game.

  17. I really find it crazy/unusual that after this coming weekend’s series, the Phillies will be half way done with the Mets and Braves and haven’t even played a game yet with the Braves and Marlins.

  18. Jean Segura is going to Lehigh for rehab, so he’s close. If no setback, he’s expected to be activated for the Braves series this weekend. Maton has filled in admirably in Jean’s absence but Jean’s glove has been GG caliber already this season.

    Another rest day for Bryce, let’s hope he’ll be good against the Braves.

  19. So the Nationals in 2019 gave Patrick Corbin 6 years, $140M. It was a deal that I didn’t want the Phillies to give, I would have maxed out at 5 years tops. Now obviously the Nationals won a title with Corbin so I’m sure they aren’t regretting the deal but here’s the stats:

    2019 3.25 ERA, 1.183 WHIP, 10.6 SO/9, 5.1 WAR
    2020 4.66 ERA, 1.569 WHIP, 8.2 SO/9, 1.5 WAR -> 4.5 WAR over a full season
    2021 8.10 ERA, 1.757 WHIP, 6.9 SO/9, -0.9 WAR

    Wow, he fell off a cliff already and there’s still 3 more years in his deal…

  20. Wow, Christian Yelich was activated off the IL and played yesterday against the Phillies, but now he’s back on the IL! His back issues are recurring and he’s still owed $188.5M!

    1. And then there is…..deGrom will undergo an MRI this afternoon, : The Mets have scratched ace Jacob deGrom from his scheduled start Tuesday because of “right side tightness,”

  21. Oh boy. Say it ain’t so joe. Wrong line up card. That’s all right you ain’t no have kapler. Little harder when it ain’t the all star yankee lineup and you just do plug and play American League baseball.

    By the way Howie gets a D- from me for draft. If he stood pat and let draft fall to him. Penie Sewell 10 yr pro bowl left tackle, Christian Barramor stud tackle who threw Ohio state lineman around like rag dolls in championship and Aaron Robinson an early second round corner who runs 4.39 and can cover slot receivers.

    1. Patso I like our first pick, Barmore Went to Neumann my high school, He is inconsistent. One game he is great others he gets losted, i dont like the way Howie drafts, but i think his first pick was a good one,

    1. Yeah. Somewhere out west Gabe Kapler is laughing at the way Joe Girardi mishandled the BP/lineup card. 😕

    1. I’m no David Hale fan, and he was brutal again tonight. However, I gotta’ put the blame mostly on Girardi. Hale is sitting out in the BP ready to watch EDLS throw when the Brewers called out Girardi’s blunder. Hale is then sent into the game with no notice.

  22. Posted this on the Pigs site but I’ll mention it here, too. I tuned in the Iron Pigs game with them down 5-4 with two men on and two out in the 11th inning. And who comes to the plate in this do or die situation? Scott Kingery. And what does he do? Blasts a ball deep into the outfield driving in the tying and winning runs and getting mobbed by his teammates. WTG, Scott!

  23. After 30 the Phillies are 15-15,
    ….they lead the majors in one-run games with 14…..record is 8-6.

    1. Phillies have also have lost 10 leads in games so far this year. Ahead of last year (21).

    2. Think they have played 13 straight one run games at this time. A-Rod said it was 10 on Sunday so 3 more. That is why defense and bullpen and situational hitting is so important.

  24. I can’t even blame David Hale for last night’s performance. Hinkie said it already, he was minding his own business getting ready to see DLS pitch. JoeG has not had a stellar start to the season. But, what is wrong with JoJo Romero? His stuff doesn’t even look like last year’s. I think we are going to need another BP arm, even after Bradley gets back, another SP, and a CF.

    1. Was Jojo that good last year? He has arm talent but his control is not great. He’s still only 24, he needs more experience. He reminds me a bit of the Braves’ Sean Newcomb. Big arm, but has no idea where the ball is going.

      1. All true on JoJo but I think worth keeping around to see if he can grow and improve…

  25. I’m so thrilled MiLB baseball is back. It’s early but Maton looks the part of an MLB player especially with rosters of 26.

    I have no idea what their plans are for him when Segura comes back and I certainly don’t want to see him buried on the bench or shoved into a position he is not comfortable with.

  26. Most bullpen arms one year great next year blah. Probably why yanks lock up the good ones.

  27. How about if I take you all to bizzarro world. Rocco calls DD and convinces him not to trade his favorite player to Oakland. The Red Sox feel bad for fleecing the Phillies and send one of the two players in the trade back. So now we plug in Irvin’s numbers for Moore and Pivetta’s numbers in for Anderson.

    Wouldn’t that be great!! Problem is if both Irvin and Pivetta were still here/back here, they would probably be just as bad as they were when they were here. Is it something in the water in Philly that makes these pitchers struggle when they are here? I still think it is the curse of Hinkie and Romus.

    1. That sounds possible on the curse. I got home last night from grandson’s game to catch the top of the 9th. I think it is written in their contract that a Phillies closer cannot have a 1, 2, 3 inning. I thought it was going to happen but not last night. Of all the options Coonrod may be the best closer option. He throws hard, kinda knows where it is going, does not seem to get too rattled by situation thought he was emotional at Cards one night after an inning.

      Seems like I missed the early drama. Think I may go for this 9th inning routine. Less stress.

  28. Did you notice that Jersey Shore players whiffed EIGHTEEN times in 8 innings? Like father like son I guess.

    1. ciada……hard to believe…..but it was primarily the bottom of the order…16 PAs…..13 Ks.

  29. Mickey and Kingery back up/ Quinn and Joyce on IL. Anyone know if Bryce is in the lineup tonight?

  30. How the mighty have fallen…Miggy is 11 HRs short of 500, 128 hits shy of 3000 and is treading water to keep afloat.
    Tigers still owe him $30M a year thru 2023….I think Dave D signed him to that contract.

    1. Before the 2014 season, Tigers gave Cabrera an 8 year, $248M extension that didn’t kick in until 2016 when he was 33. Why would you give him this type of contract? So 2016, he gives 5.1 WAR which is great. Unfortunately in 2017, he falls off a cliff. As it stands right now, 6 years into this deal, 3.8 WAR total. And people wondering why the Tigers are in last place?

  31. Wonder if Phils are motivated to win one for the skipper. If so a good sign

  32. Forget that. False alarm. The usual early lead can’t add on and our bullpen

  33. If the Phillies are trying to win games, JoJo needs to pitch better or get sent back down. He’s too wild.

  34. Alec Bohm is so worried about getting busted inside that he can’t reach anything on the outer half of the plate. He needs to move closer to the late period.

    1. It might be time to humble Bohm with a AAA assignment. They put up a quote from him Tuesday which he basically said he wasn’t trying to work on anything or change anything about his swing. He just felt like the results were going to eventually come.

      I mean yeah ok if you’re hitting the ball hard and they aren’t falling I’d buy that but he has fallen into a pattern of striking out and being confused.

  35. See Sal Gozo a SS was moved today from Reading to LHV. He is an undrafted College player who was signed in 2019 and played in the Gulf Coast League. Minor leagues look kind of weak.

  36. JoJo is someone i havent seen a lot of, I wonder if he has anything but a fastball, His pitches for a lefthander look so straight, Him and Hale are really not helping at all,

    1. rocco….last season JoJo had some nasty stuff……he kind of lost that feel this year so far.
      But yet, that was his whole MO in the minors…it seemed year to year there was a new JoJo and we never knew what to expect. Eventually he came around….but here in the majors yuo cannot wait for relief pitchers to eventually come around…..winning games is the mission, not so much development
      Then again, perhaps he is experiencing the Samson Syndrome……he cut his hair this season..

      1. Yes Romus, Since i went with no hair look, Big susie doesnt seems to want me.

  37. My Man Stephens made it to triple a, With no great numbers in three season, I wonder if the phillies see my i have seen, A kid with a great swing? but so far he hasnt shown it in games, Plus his fielding in right is below average, So maybe a DH candidate, Watching Miller play right is hard to do,

  38. Listening to Salsbury last night talk about the DLS mix up it sounded like the Brewers had the corrected roster but the umps did not. Salsbury also hinted at gambling becoming a bigger part of MLB revenues thus line-ups and any pregame info his held tight to the vest.

    I’ve nothing against gambling but why on gods green earth would the MLB think this is a good idea.

    Every night Barkan is pimping some kind of money line for some odd wager. Take Tuesday night for instance. They were plugging a +175 ML Nola would go 7. He didn’t.

    Last night Peralta starts the game throwing 90-91 gives up 5 then goes on a run of something like 7-8 straight K’s throwing 94-95+

    1. If there’s one thing I don’t gamble on, it’s baseball. It’s too hard to predict some outcomes. That’s not to say that I won’t take a flyer on some crazy odds like VV beating Jacob deGrom on the road. It’s just that there are other sports to gamble on that have easier predictable outcomes.

  39. As a guy who has gambled, His whole life, I See a bad pattern with all these sports ads, This generation will suffer if not stopped, I have lost a lot of money in my life, Horses Casinos, Poker games, I can tell you its horrible getting stuck in the hole, gambling can do to you, I remember one time i borrow from 5 sharks, and For one year i worked 3 jobs, Seven days a week , To try to pay them, some i pay interest only, others payment, its bad and all i see is these ads ,

  40. I am happy we won, but is there a team whose bats disappear after scoring early runs more than ours? I think 13 Ks after scoring 5 runs. I am serious about piggy backing Anderson and Moore. Let them each go 3 innings every 5 days, and that is SP #4, with VV getting #5 until Spencer is ready. A big inning out of Moore, which was a big deal last night. JoJo and David Hale are giving us nothing.

    1. Matt I’m not being smart but are you watching the rest of the league as well. It’s some of the worst baseball I’ve seen…

      1. David Hale is awful. Just awful and he needs to go. De Los Santos will struggle with command and there will be games where he implodes (like Brogdon occasionally does), but he will be an instant upgrade over Hale and there’s more upside down the road.

        Matt Moore has overall been pretty bad, but who knows how he might be in a few months. That said, if I’m the Phillies, lefty starter is the biggest need after centerfield. It’s unfortunate that Cole Irvin couldn’t turn the corner here as a Phillie – he’s exactly what they could use right now.

        1. Yeah, but I could have never predicted that breakthrough, his stuff was low velo and flat. I would like to see him pitch, is his velo and stuff better? The command?

          1. Yes, much better. He is sitting 94-96 and touching 97 and 98. DLS’s stuff has improved a lot recently.

            1. I don’t disagree with you. But, one concern we should anticipate with elevating EDLS into Hale’s role is that EDLS was groomed as LHV’s closer. It isn’t fair to expect him to maintain the same velo for more than the one inning he was prepared to face. Should the Phillies make that move, we should expect EDLS’ velo and consistency to regress to his old levels. If not, great. If so, maybe we’re still better off.

      2. DMAR, I haven’t really paid any attention to the rest of the league, unless they are playing us. I see the Standings, though, and see that no one is playing really well. I am looking at what we will need, and I see another SP, another RP, and a CF. Now, I fully admit, it is much more difficult to watch our team strike out a lot, and play poor fundamental Baseball, because if I was watching another game, I would change the channel.

  41. I’m going to reply on the various player comments here.

    As for Alec Bohm, I don’t seeing him going anywhere right now (nor should he) and he should not change his swing or his overall approach. His upside as a hitter is as high as ever. This happens with second year hitters all the time. The league is adjusting to him and he needs to adjust back, which may take some times, but he shouldn’t mess with that awesome swing or his excellent “hit to all fields” approach.

    JoJo is not a lost case. He is a developing lefty power pitcher with a really good arm who needs to work on his command and pitches. There was a reason he was sent to AAA after ST and he may need to go down again to work things out, but his future is still pretty bright.

    1. David Hale is awful. Just awful and he needs to go. De Los Santos will struggle with command and there will be games where he implodes (like Brogdon occasionally does), but he will be an instant upgrade over Hale and there’s more upside down the road.

      Matt Moore has overall been pretty bad, but who knows how he might be in a few months. That said, if I’m the Phillies, lefty starter is the biggest need after centerfield. It’s unfortunate that Cole Irvin couldn’t turn the corner here as a Phillie – he’s exactly what they could use right now.

      1. I’m not saying David Hale hasn’t been bad but he’s the long man of the group now that VV has went back to the rotation. He’s been pressed into service outside of his role because of bullpen suspensions/rest/extra innings. If you want to replace Hale with DLS, I don’t have a problem with that but somebody HAS to fill the long man role.

        1. DLS should be able to fill that role since he was a starter for almost all of his minor league career. Hale is a complete disaster, even as the long man out of the bullpen, with the way he is performing I don’t see how you could keep him in a big league bullpen.

          1. We need to also temper our expectations about DLS. This was a guy who pitched 30 innings for the Phillies in 2018 and 2019, didn’t pitch for the Phillies in 2020, went unclaimed on waivers, and didn’t make the team out of ST.

            Now you have to ask yourself whether or not this is good for DLS to be in a long man’s role. He won’t be pitching much, and mainly in blowouts. It’s a thankless job that I’m sure a lot of pitchers don’t want to do.

            1. Fortunately for DLS, David Hale has set the bar about as low as it can get.

            2. Well, that gets into last year’s coaching and coaching of Irvin even before that. That’s another ball of wax.

              But if you have to choose between DLS and Hale, the decision looks pretty easy to me.

  42. I read on Twitter that DLS is a very popular clubhouse guy.

    Good for the locker room I guess.

    1. I’ve heard that the Phillies clubhouse is toxic. That there are too many small cliques. And, that it sucks to be a young guy, new guy, or outsider on this team.

      And, this was before Herrera was called up.

      Maybe they need a few less on-field GMs and a few more leaders in the clubhouse.

      1. I don’t ever comment on here but always read. I’d really be interested to know what this is based on without giving away names. I see Maton up there and it looks like he’s made good friends with Didi and is always smiling and Bohm seems to be fitting in well too. Saw new guy Chase Anderson was one of 3 starters that doused Wheeler today after his CG. I just don’t understand what this is based on, but it would obviously be unfortunate if the clubhouse was “toxic”. Can’t picture a team contending that way…

        1. When Jim shares intel, I 100% believe it’s info he has been given by someone he has confidence in. And I appreciate the fact that Jim is willing to report what he hears.
          Now … it’s possible his source could have it wrong. In the case of a toxic clubhouse, I tend to see things the way CSW sees them. Is it likely that off the field, the older/more established players, or the Latin players mostly hang out together, while the younger players mostly spend time together? Probably yes, and that’s likely the case for every club in every sport. But on the field, in the dugout, and in the BP, it appears (to me, anyway) that everyone is included.
          Also … you would think Bryce Harper is the primary leader (at least one of the primary leaders) on the team. By all accounts, Bryce has been more than available to young players.


          Harper even contacted each kid the Phillies selected in last summer’s draft. That’s very cool.

          One last thing … when DD acquired Sam Coonrod, there were plenty of people who voiced their concern that Coonrod would have a negative effect on the clubhouse (because of his stance on social issues [didn’t take a knee] last season). From my 10,000 foot view, Coonrod seems to have fit in just fine so far.
          Again … not saying I don’t believe there are cliques. Just saying it doesn’t appear to be any more serious here than anywhere else around the league.

          1. Thanks, Hinkie. Good distinction between off the field and on the field. Cliquey friendships is one thing (and probably normal). A toxic clubhouse sounds a lot worse. There are a lot of vets on this team who have been quality players for a while and not won any playoff games/championships. Hopefully that is enough to motivate them to play together on the field regardless of however they socialize off of the field.

    1. Every year each GM sets up their new and improved bullpen for the upcoming season…they might as well also treat themselves tp a large box of Russell Stover chocolates….because you never what you get from relievers from year to year.

      Tony Watson…..down for the count right nowt….he has a calf strain and is on the IL
      But he along with a majority of relievers, epitomizes that unpredictability from one season to another.. This is his year to shine….until the injury.

      1. Yeah, but good GMs like DD actually do improve their bullpens. The better teams almost always find a way to get it done.

        I still think that what DD did in a couple of months to resuscitate the worst bullpen ever and make it a relative strength with very little money to spend was nothing short of amazing. I still can’t believe what he was able to do on a shoestring.

        1. Agree….it looks like DD’s plan for the bullpen was spot on.
          Lets hope it works for them this season…healthy pitchers are key.
          And Bradley’s return will be especially welcomed.

        2. Coonrod’s career WAR before this season was -0.3 WAR over 2 seasons.

          Jose Alvarado’s career WAR before this season was 1.1 WAR over 4 seasons.

          Alvarado has been ok (0.1 WAR) but Coonrod has been great (0.8 WAR).

          1. Alvardo hasn’t been perfect, but I believe his contributions greatly exceed his WAR. He’s had some melt downs, but overall, he’s been a huge help.

  43. Bryce out again, maybe he should have been on the IL? Knapp is Catching, Bamboo Brad in RF again, Herrera in CF.

  44. I think the Phillies caught the Brewers at the perfect time. They had just come off a four game series with the LADs in Milwaukee. Brewers won three of those four, and were on a high. They were due for some sort of emotional letdown. Also helped that Christian Yellich and Corbin Burnes were hurt, and the Phils never saw Josh Hader or Devin Williams. But the bottom line: the Phillies got some timely hitting, and some pretty good pitching. The fact that the rest of the NL East has been very average has also been great news for the Phillies.

    1. Dodgers clocked them real good in that last game in Milwaukee…the spiral began for the Brew Crew.
      All about ‘Mo’.

  45. So Albert Pujols got DFAd by the Angels in the last year of his enormous 10 year, $240M contract that started in 2012 at age 32. So basically Pujols gave the Angels 3 decent years (not great years), 2 below average years, and 5 bad ones. All told Pujols gave the Angels 12.9 WAR for 10 years of service. Crazy brutal considering that he was mainly a 1B/DH.

    1. Same with Miggy in Detroit…probably will be the same for jean Carlo in NY in a couple years.
      I think the exception to the rule will be the John Middleton ‘Bryce Initiative”

      1. The only 2 contracts $200M+ that I’ve seen in the last decade that has been worth it for the team were Max Sherzer and Clayton Kershaw. That’s it.

        The other player that should get to it if he stays healthy is obviously Mike Trout. But he still has a long ways to go.

        The Stanton contract is brutal, nobody is taking that.

        But imagine if you’re the Mets with Lindor or the Nats with Strasburg? Those 2 could be all-timers.

        1. Lindor’s lack of production is puzzling.
          But really has gone back to Sept. 2019 season, thru last season’s 60 games and now April…almost 500 last PAs.
          Not sure what to make of it, .after 5 spectacular seasons…makes no sense.

    2. The Pujols contract was a disaster – one of the worst, perhaps the very worst, ever.

      But it also shows just how unpredictable the career of any player is after the age of about 32 or 33.

      If you looked at Pujols and David Ortiz at age 32 and asked who would be the better player in his 30s, 9 out of 10 people would have said Pujols by a mile because he was much the better player in his 20s and was in far better physical condition (or at least that’s how it looked from outward appearances). But Father Time begged to differ.

      1. Not only father time but also mother pharmaceutical. Ortiz, like Bonds, had some help sustaining his career.

  46. Wheeler was terrific, Hinkie, I agree. A great W, and a big sweep. We go on the road for 9 games, and we have been terrible away from home. Hoping for a big boost from this win streak.

    1. The numbers say they’ll most likely go 3-6 on this road trip. 4-5 would be nice. Five wins would be a miracle.

      1. The bottom line is that the Phillies’ big 3 starters have kept them in the hunt and the bullpen has been a relative strength. When Harper is not in the lineup you realize just how amazing he really is – he is truly a superstar. And I expect him to play like a superstar for the next 5 years at least. I think he’s turned that last corner and just needs to stay healthy and he’ll put up great numbers year after year. And he gets what it means to play in Philadelphia – the importance of which cannot be overstated.

      2. Wheeler has been amazing.

        That said, I’d be happy to see few 118 pitch performances. He might be able to do it without suffering ill effects, but he’s so important to the team, why risk it?

        I’m not saying he should be on a 100 pitch limit or anything – just that he’s a huge asset and I’d like to see him throw bullets for all 5 years of his contract.

      3. 4-5 would be a perfectly acceptable road trip. If they can fight to stay near .500 on the road and finish 10 or 15 games above .500 at home, then they have a decent shot of making the playoffs.

  47. JoJo’s low velo and poor command may be due to his elbow sprain…..hopefully it is first or second grade ..third grade means TJ.

  48. Phils a game and a half back of the top record in the league! 🙂

  49. Jean Segura is not in Lehigh’s lineup today so odds are he’ll be getting activated before Friday night’s game.

  50. Romus, just an FYI. Phillies announcers were on MLB Extra Innings today. Brewers as well. I did notice on top that it was a NBC broadcast. I have no idea if there is a difference. It was nice to listen to Murph and Ben. The only other time they have been on was in the first week of the season. They are also the announcers if MLB has a home Phillies broadcast on from time to time. It is really strange.

    Really nice to see the Phillies sweep the Brewers. Last night was a game that in the past couple years they probably lose. Maybe a good omen for the future.

    Hoping they can continue to play well and maybe win a few games. They have not won a road series in a long long time. Maybe can change these next few days.

  51. Moniak was optioned back to Lehigh after today’s game, Jean was on the plane so it’s extremely likely that Jean will be playing tomorrow. Bryce will be evaluated again before tomorrow’s game but the expectation is that he’ll be back in the Braves series.

  52. .

    🙏 Praying these three guys stay healthy all season.

    1. And if you go by fWAR for all MLB starters:
      Nola……….1.5 (3rd in the majors)
      Wheeler….1.3 (9th)
      Eflin……….1.3 (11th)
      Kershaw…..1.3 (10th)
      Urias……….1.0 (16th)
      Bauer……….0.6 (36th)

    2. I am praying too. Let’s hope that Girardi is thinking the same way and works to keep pitch counts under 115 and hopefully under 110 for most starts. But all of these guys are doing great and Nola and Wheeler are a pretty fearsome duo. If we make it to the playoffs, they could be difference makers.

  53. It’s such a long season. Reacting to it in snippets is natural of course 🙂

  54. I’m not sure how you get Acuna out. His plate coverage is so dominant but Freeman seems cool albeit he loves killing the Phillies.

    2 of 3 would be huge

    1. Acuna….IMO, low inside with soft stuff….all balls no strikes…..he may swing eventually….if he hits it maybe pulls it on the ground or foul….seems teams are doing some of that judging by his hi-walk rate..last 300 PAs approx 16%…pitchers have to remain discipline and not try to challenge him, it is a losing battle if the pitchers decide to give him their best stuff.
      Acuna will eventually beat them.

  55. I think the Philies hitting will come around. Cutch has been hitting better lately, Odubel seems to be getting his timing back, Bohm has had an early run of bad luck (has BABIP of .259 which I think is low for him).

    Maton has played great but lacks the power of Segura. After watching the Brewers, I think a fair comp for Maton would be Kolten Wong. Not elite, but starter level with average pop and a good glove.

  56. In case anyone is interested, tonight’s game is on COZI TV (LOL!) here in the Philly area. The Sixers and Flyers are on the two Comcast Networks. I’m heading out tonight, and was searching the usual suspects (NBC 10/MyPhilly 17/ESPN/etc) to record the game. I was going nuts trying to find it.
    BTW … if you are out of market, the game should be on MLB Network.

    1. Yes, COZI TV. Wait, what? Anyway, I felt like I was watching the 1992 Phillies because, on my TV at least, the feed from the game was horrible. I looked like the old “low def” TV. A few things on the game.

      First, it really does look like Zach Eflin is settling in as a very good #3 (a #2 on a good day), which is a huge development for this team.

      If Odubel Herrera and Bryce Harper perform at a high level, there’s no telling how good the offense could be. If Herrera can get anywhere close to his former level of performance, he’s far, far better than anyone else they have in centerfield right now. Remember, he was the #3 hitter on this team for quite a while. That was a bad team, but still. He has tremendous natural ability. And what can you say about Harper – he’s a superstar. Even when he’s okay for him, he’s pretty awesome.

  57. Morton gave up six runs. Because of the passed ball, shouldn’t all those runs be unearned?

  58. Braves announcers gave some interesting stats. Hoskins has struck out 43 times already.
    Harper has only batted 8 times with a runner in scoring position.
    J.T. has only batted 19 times with a runner in scoring position.
    Francouer suggested switching Rhys and J.T.
    I think maybe 4 of them are unearned. Rhys and all of the Odubel rbis

  59. They are teaching that catching style to the young kids who are catching.
    Incredible number of passed balls where they just cannot move to block the pitch.

  60. You are correct. I was thinking Harper and Realmuto were earned but inning would have been over on Didi’s out

  61. I mentioned couple weeks ago that Hoskins is not a #2 hitter. Then he went on a little home run tear. He is still not a #2 hitter. You have to have someone hitting there to make contact. At this point he has 45 Ks and think they said 8 BBs so far. IMO Rhys is a 4 or 5 hitter who you hope will hit 35 to 40 home runs and 110 or so RBIs.

  62. Lots of teams now are trying to put their best hitter in the 2 spot. That gives a lot more ABs over the course of the season. Rhys is far from the best hitter on the Phillies.

    1. I agree Don, It was nice to see Rhys hit some HRs, especially to Center and Right field, but he looks at too many Pitches. Last night, in the middle of an offensive run, he K’s on a 77 MPH CB, looking at the Pitch. He still takes too many good Pitches, and I want him to bat more aggressively. Hitting him lower in the lineup will help him and the team, IMO, and Segura should be batting 2d.

  63. Jean should bat 2nd especially with the way he is swinging, Harper never has men on base, Hoskins OBP is .290.

  64. Sons a college catcher and during off-season caught a certain pitcher who lives above 100. It has to do with catching all these guys throwing harder. Helps get to spot if pitcher misses spot a little. It has to do with coverage. Ain’t easy catching a a95 on outside part of plate when set up inside.

  65. VV is pitching tonight against Ian Anderson. Is it fair to say that this could be one of VV’s most important starts of his career? He’s a FA next season, and he just reclaimed the starter job from Matt Moore. His last start was encouraging, but now he’s on the road against the Braves. He’ll need to have a better ratio of balls/strikes. And I think he needs to throw his changeup more. It’s a solid pitch for him.

    1. Let me be clear that VV is currently a 4/5 pitcher which means in my book, he’s replaceable. So if he wants to stay a starter and maybe snag a multi year deal in FA from somebody, he’s going to have to command better, considering none of his pitches are plus. He’s going to have to find a way to get back to 2016 and 2018 when he booked 1.7 WAR as a starter.

      1. The best case argument for Vinny Velo and a break thru……this is a contract year…that may be his biggest motivational tool. Fear can be a driving force to success.

  66. Don’t know why were on Hoskins’ case. He may not be a two hole hitter but his baseball attire last night included a golden sombrero.

  67. VV pitched great. I didn’t see him shake off JT that much, and he was featuring fastball/changeup/slider early. He flipped up some curves later which almost cost him, but it worked out. I didn’t have an issue with JoeG taking him out soon after the HR. He started to elevate some pitches to Ozuna and better to have leave with the lead than him getting himself into more trouble. I think once he’s more consistent, he might get the opportunity to finish off the 6th inning. VV did what he had to do and kept the Phillies in the game.

  68. If there’s one guy that the Braves can’t lose, it’s Ronald Acuna and Coonrod hit him on the left hand with a 95+ fastball. He was in serious pain and I wouldn’t be surprised if his left pinkie was fractured.

  69. Nerds is not a closer on a contending team, how many games are we going to be forced to watch him give up game winning/tying HRs?

  70. From the bottom of the ninth thru the extra innings this is the most pathetic demonstration of baseball I have ever witnessed. Some of these guys don’t deserve to be called major leaguers.

  71. The Braves did everything they could to hand that game to the Phillies. The Phils just refused to accept the “W”.

    1. Wow, that one was as bad as it gets. As much as Neris gets most of the blame, DLS melted down like shades of last season.

      1. McCuthen was a butcher in LF.

        And how many times did Bryce Harper come up empty with RISP?

        5th inning: men on first and third, nobody out. A one hopper back to the pitcher that turns into a double play, and the run doesn’t score.

        7th inning: men on first and third, 2 out. He strikes out.

        10th inning: men on first and second, 1 out. He pops up to SS.

        12th inning: bases loaded, nobody out. He hits another GB back to the pitcher. Luckily the pitcher throws the ball to the backtop, allows two runs to score, but Harper never went to second base.

        And … holy cow. Not only did DLS have a three run lead, he was facing the second half of Atlanta’s lineup. He failed miserably.

        1. Bohm and Didi were 0-6 and why Kingery was playing I don’t know. He went a predictable 0-3.

          Kingery needs to get sent back down and Torreyes comes back.
          DLS needs to be sent back down for Rosso?

          Man, I’m still p!ssed.

          1. The more I think about it, the more I think that Kingery’s ceiling is now as a late-inning replacement. From what I’ve seen so far, his hitting has not improved at all. He needs to be playing at Lehigh full time.

        2. Hinkie… on.
          Harper really had a tough go ….that 5th inning…first pitch…wish he would have had Anderson thrown more…Anderson was really over his average per inning pitch count….and he was a little off in his command.

    1. I would have to say yes. #2 would have to be the 8-7 loss to the Mets last Sunday.

  72. Yup horrendous loss and tough game for Harper and the bullpen. Oh well, they had lots of good luck during the winning streak. I think this team can turn the page. That said, they will need a different closer at some point, preferably soon than later.

  73. Hope this game is not a turning point for the Braves.
    More than likely Phillies will lose today…as MO has definitely changed and the Braves are probably upset about Acuna’s HBP, which really wasn’t Coonrod’s fault, but they will rally around what happened anyway.

    Blown Saves ….Neris and Coonrod both with 2 apiece.
    Neris has 6 saves…tied for 11th in baseball.,d

  74. Don’t look now but VV’s ERA for his last 4 starts are 3.20. Whether or not he can keep this up is another story. Heck, I would take a 4.00 ERA from him as a starter.

  75. I turned it off at the bottom of the 10th. Again is it possible that a Phillies closer have a 1, 2, 3 inning. Nope. As soon as Neris walked the 9th hitter after being 0-2 you just knew things would go South. I guess they really went South after I went to bed.

    In the top of the 10th I am sitting there thinking Segura would be up with 2 on and no outs and instead up comes Rhys. Segura is leaning on the railing after having 7 hits in the 2 games. That is kinda when I knew things were wacky. At least Rhys did not hit into a DP. I know Segura was taken out on a double switch.

    In response to Hinkie and Harper. Those were his 9, 10, 11, 12th times to hit this season with RISP. That is in 34 games. Give Harper some time. I know he is playing but Conigliaro on the Red Sox in the 60s was never the same after getting hit in the face. In fact, he did not continue playing much longer as I recall. Bryce looks very tentative at the plate especially vs LHP. But who wouldn’t be.

    Braves announcers made a comment that the Phillies lead the ML in hits to the opposite field.
    That must me Bohm and Segura at work. I am going to take a guess they are right at the top in Ks as well. It is a shame but Kingery at this point in time looks totally lost at the plate.

    I am glad I went to bed. Blowing a 2 run lead needing one more strike twice was enough for me. Neris is what he is. He is never going to be different going forward. Almost every outing for him will be an adventure. He would have made the 3 run lead an adventure as well.

  76. Why? Why? Why? Why the heck do I have to be a die-hard Phillies fan. There has been plenty of dying this past decade. After the Phillies couldn’t score in the top of the tenth, I went to bed. I didn’t want to see them lose after Velasquez wiggled his way out of loads of trouble in his 5+ innings. He deserved better.

    Did anyone notice Realmuto’s reaction to Sandoval’s home run? He rarely shows emotion behind the plate but this time he was really pissed. Was it that Neris gave up the homer? Was it that he felt Neris threw a pitch he didn’t want him to throw? Or was it that he felt he called for the wrong pitch in that situation?

    As for Harper, he was in one of his “moody-broody” moments the entire game. If he is hurting from being hit on the wrist, take the time needed to heal. He’s not helping the team when he is in that mindset. Even Joyce would’ve delivered on one of those occasions. And the hit that won the game, Harper took one step toward the ball and then quickly ran to the dugout. At least give it a shot whether you get near it or not!

    1. I don’t want to badmouth JT, but not sure why Neris was throwing a splitter 3-2 to Adrianza with a 2 run lead. Call the fastball and if Adrianza hits it out, the Phillies are still up 1. Why the Phillies were scared to throw to Adrianza was beyond me.

      1. Good point. But Neris probably would have walked him on a fastball as well.
        Maybe Romus can look back and see how many 1, 2, 3 innings Neris has had however far you want to go. It cannot be many.

        Romus is the Stat Master. He amazes me with all the stats he can find. I try to do my stuff off of memory.

        1. Don53….Neris research would be toooo exasperating….seven years of a data search.
          But can tell you this much…with his 78 career saves he ranks 220th in MLB history with saves.

          1. Seven years would be. Maybe 2 or 3 would do. LOL.
            BTW I think Lidge went 40 for 40 on saves in 2008.
            If correct he got half way to Neris in one season compared to seven.
            220th is better than 221st.

  77. Yes. Braves showed his reaction couple times. You are one strike one out from winning a tough game. I tell my grandson in that situation you cannot throw a pitch the guy can hit. Sandavol was up there with one intention only. You must find a way to make him get himself out or at least earn his way on. That pitch was complete table service. My guess Realmuto did not want that pitch. He definitely did not want that location.

    There was one positive regarding the BP that I noticed. In the 8th Alvarado had thrown 5 straight pitches nowhere near the strike zone. Cotham comes out and he becomes a strike throwing machine again.

    Vinny did deserve better. He is hanging in there. Like Neris he is close to an adventure from inning to inning.

    The most disappointing aspect is the Phillies would have been 6-2 in games with the Braves if they had held onto any of the leads.

    One other positive is Segura in the 2nd spot. Hopefully Joe he leaves him there at least while he is on a tear. I think he is better suited fulltime there.

    Braves announcers said the xrays on Acuna were negative. Kinda doubtful he plays tonight with them having a day off tomorrow.

  78. The Panda hits FBs, no question. Doesn’t hit the splitter. JTR’s glove was set high and wide, assuming to change the eye level on Sandoval before coming back with another splitter. Right down the plate instead, blown save. Neris could not have executed it worse. He is not a Closer. Probably the worst loss of the season. Kingery and DLS need to go back to LHV today. The pressure is on Nola to throw a complete game shutout tonight!

    1. Some of the overreactions on this comment string are crazy. Yes, the team needs improvement but you realize this sort of thing happens all the time in a baseball season to pretty much every team.

      Aaron Nola just needs to pitch a good game today. Why would he feel pressure to pitch a complete game shutout?

      The sky is not falling . . . yet.

      1. @catch – I believe we all had similar doom, gloom, and the world go boom reactions after the Mets game last Sunday. So I hear you. Of course, the only reason I can calmly say that is thanks to the fist full of valium I washed down with a glass of Cuervo Gold after the game last night. I woke this morning with a touch of coma, so all is good.

      2. Catch, it’s the top of the 8th and Nola is due to bat. We are up 2-0, and he’s thrown 98 pitches. Is there anyone in the BP you trust? I don’t, I send him up to bat and pitch the 8th.

  79. Does anyone think that Girardi is going to use Matt Moore “ever” again? Has he lost all confidence in him? Is he in the doghouse? He’ll be around almost all of the season due to his $3 million contract. I say give him a few more tries.

    1. VV has clearly taken one of the starting jobs. Chase Anderson has pitched like a #5 pitcher, which is still better than Matt Moore.

      Matt Moore will get some chances but I think his role will be as the long man. I’m sure JoeG would rather he be part of the late inning solution, but this is new to Moore so he’s going to have to accept his role in the bullpen and pitch accordingly.

  80. Moore pitched an inning in one of the Brewer games. I thought he threw well and only threw a few pitches. I actually thought they might use him 2 innings. Think he pitched 7th inning the night EDLS threw 8th. I thought he struggled that night but did get 3 outs. Apparently not the case last night.

    I agree that last night is one game. Also many teams have games like this as the season wears on. 162 games is a grind. However, it is the trends that this team seems to set. This is a game that they seem to lose on a regular basis. That would be my concern. I expressed this earlier. The issue is scoring early and then nothing the rest of the game. Phillies went 3rd thru 9th with 0s on the board. Plus they had a few chances to add on. Especially the runners on 1st and 3rd with no outs in 5th I believe. But this seems to happen on a regular basis with this team. I do not think that the really good teams do this like that. Sure there will be a game once in awhile that gets away from them.

    1. Don53……strange season in baseball….Dodgers are in third place in the West….last 19 games…5-14. So things may be screwy all over.
      May is done for this season, their bullpen may be cooked early on..

  81. Agree Romus. Many of the experts are very concerned that injuries may become very common as the season goes on. Maybe stretching the limits on some of the guys going from 60 to 162. Hopefully not. Also maybe the Dodgers are still celebrating their WS win after 30 some years. Who knows. They have lots of injuries as do many teams already.

    Red Sox and A’s looked awful first few games and now they have the most wins I believe.

    My only point is that the game last night is the kind of game the Phillies lose with some regularity. Even the announcers constantly mention that if their team can stay close they most likely will have a chance once the game gets to the BPs. Francouer mentioned last night that Harper had a chance for a knockout blow in the 5th and the Braves survived it.

    1. Yeah does seem they come up short often times in situations like last night.
      Smoltz mentioned run differential for the Phillies in the first three innings, where the Phillis score the majority of their runs coming out blazing, is among the best in the league….after the 4th…..they go dry and it is one of the worst in the league.

      Hinkie mentioned above how that Harper’s 5th inning, AB, was key to the game…..swings at the first pitch , GB to the pitcher and a GIDP

      1. I have the MLB Extra Inning package so I can put 8 games on at a time. I like to click back to that from time to time to just check in on other games and still keep the Phillies game in view.

        It is just rare to see other teams get ahead early like the Phillies seem to do almost daily and then watch the lead melt away as the game nears it’s conclusion. I am sure it happens but I cannot name another team at the moment who seems to consistently jump ahead only to hold on at the end.

        Even the Brewer announcers believed they had a chance although the Phillies jumped out to large leads in the 1st three games. Fortunately the Phillies did hang on in those.

        Another stat for you Romus would be to see if they fail on the lead thing more on the road. I am sure they do. Cardinal announcers made reference Phillies were like 44 games under 500 on the road since the beginning of 2018 season.

        On Harper it looked to me the pitch was a FB but it appeared on TV to be a few inches outside. To me he just does not look comfortable yet hitting. I fully understand that after being hit. But one of the announcers made the comment that Bryce called Cabrerra and told him he knew he did not throw at him on purpose and he did not want this to determine his career. That is a pretty stand up move on Bryce’s part.

        1. Don…..Phillies do not know how to win on the road.
          Hate to signal out anyone…but ace Aaron Nola’s career road record is average.
          He is not the sole reason, but they need that stopper on a long road trip
          Away….W-26 L-24 .ERA-4.07
          Home…W-35 L-17 ERA-2.90

          They need him to take charge on the road.

          1. Totally agree. It is weird though that the Phillies are so imbalanced from home to road record. Most teams have a better home record than away. That is kinda normal. But to have such a drastic difference is disturbing. I like your comment on not knowing how to win on the road. Appears to be true but this team has plenty of veterans who should not be that affected playing home or away. Just kind of weird. But it is true.

    1. I have ZERO regrets about the Phillies trading Pivetta. He started 71 games for the Phillies and ended up with 5.50 ERA, 1.433 WHIP, and 1 WAR. His time here was over.

  82. He needed a change of scenery. I can still visualize the night they called the BP last season for him to come into a game the Phillies had a HUGE lead and he ended up being unable to end the game. He always has had the physical abilities. I hope he does well. It is just unfortunate it did not happen for Phillies.

    1. Don, there are about 6 more that could use a change of scenery in my estimation.

      1. Skeet, that is funny. I am not sure if there are 6 or not but sure need some to improve their level of play for whatever reason it may be. There were so many on the bus out after last season maybe it has not made its way back yet. Lets hope things work out for all. I have always been a Phillies fan since I was a kid. I want anyone wearing a Phillies uniform to be successful.

  83. I don’t know if it’s permanent, but JoeG moved Rhys from 2 to 7 in the batting lineup.

    1. I do not think anything is permanent in Joe’s lineup construction.
      if Doobie gets on a hot stretch ….he could be up top somewhere.

      1. Agree Romus. That is kind of the way it should be. Reward those who perform. Harper and Realmuto are going to be in top of order but totally agree on anyone else.

        Funny you mention lineup construction. I have tried for a long time to figure my grandson’s coach in that respect. One game a kid bats leadoff. Next game same kid bats last .Kid who batted last bats leadoff. No rhyme or reason. A person mentioned to me yesterday they think he is just trying to be fair to the kids. Grandson usually bats from 4 to 6. But not always. He also bats 11 hitters while most bat just 9. Close games that makes a difference.

          1. They have weird rules. Most teams have 12 or 13 players.
            Usually have a kid who is designated as the runner for the pitcher and catcher if they get on.
            If no designated runner the kid who made last out is runner.
            You can bat all the kids you want.
            But as age goes up most only hit 9.
            Big difference getting your top hitters back up because games are on a timed basis.
            Maybe Joe should have used Moore last night in 12th. He just breezed through an inning.

  84. Pivetta probably not gonna succeed in Philly but always hoped since he was from Canada Phils would be ultra patient.

    Even Harper may have trouble picking up pitches from certain pitcher so hoping to jump on early fastball. It’s baseball

  85. Why is it when the Phillies need Nola to come up big, he doesn’t? Look, I know he’s very good and I’m glad he’s on my favorite team, but he is not an “ace”.

  86. He is a good Pitcher, but he is not an Ace, if we had one, then ola, Wheeler, Eflin and a #5, that’s a terrific rotation. Even call him very good. But not an Ace.

  87. Talk about coming out flat. Runners in scoring position and no outs two innings in row and zilch. The Braves are a gutty team. The Phillies not so much. Anybody sensing a tail spin?

  88. Tonight is the opposite of the Phillies jumping out to a early lead.
    Phillies rarely come back and get in the game when they fall behind early.

  89. Regarding Nola:

    Home 75 starts, 2.90 ERA, 91 tOPS+
    Away 71 starts, 4.07 ERA, 109 tOPS+

    (Does not include tonight’s start.)

    1. Those are some odd numbers considering that Citizen’s Bank Ballpark is closer to a hitter’s park than a pitcher’s park.

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