Open Discussion: Week of August 17th

“Phillies notch first series win in mid-August.”  That would be a terrible headline any other season.  Fortunately, this year it just signifies mediocrity seventeen games into the season.  The Phillies started the week by closing out their 4-games series against the Braves with a win on Monday, continued by dropping a 3-game series to the Orioles, and finished the week by sweeping the Mets.

The Phillies are 8-9 .471 in third place, 2.0 games behind the Marlins and Braves.  They hold 6 games in hand with the Braves, but have played 2 more the the Marlins.

The Phillies have an off day Monday.  Then, go on the road playing 2 games against the Red Sox, a double header on Thursday against the Blue Jays in Buffalo, then a 3-game weekend series in Atlanta.

The Phillies have tried to bolster their pitching staff, especially their bullpen, with recent transactions.  It appears that Joe Girardi has made a decision, at least for now, that Spencer Howard is in the starting rotation and Vince Velasquez is going to the bullpen.  And, Nick Pivetta was optioned to Allentown.  With a double header this week, Velasquez will likely get a start, though.

The Phillies recalled JoJo Romero.  They selected the contracts of Blake Parker and Connor Brogdon.  To make room they optioned Austin Davis and DFA-ed Trevor Kelley, Edgar Garcia, and Nick Williams.  By the weekend, they had outrighted Kelley and Enyel De Los Santos.  Williams was claimed off waivers.

The pitching improved over the weekend.  But, expect more changes.

Alec Bohm was promoted and looked very good batting against major league pitching.  He’ll play third base moving Jean Segura to second and Scott Kingery to his former role around the diamond (at first).

The Phillies were struck by the injury bug over the weekend.  Adam Haseley sprained his wrist, turning center field over to Roman Quinn for the near future.  Then Quinn woke up with “symptoms”, and reported them to team trainers.  The Phillies placed him on the IL.  It appears that he is not a Covid casualty.  However, his absence will bestow center field onto Kingery.

Kyle Garlick was recalled to replace Haseley on the roster.  But, Sunday, Jean Segura and Jay Bruce (hamstring) left the game.  The Phillies find themselves in a bit of a roster bind if their injuries bench them for an extended period.

The Phillies embark on a 10-game road trip.  That extends them the use of the traveling taxi squad, one of whom has to be a catcher, probably Deivy Grullon.

J.D. Hammer has been invited to Allentown.  But, the roster for position players is pretty thin – Grullon, Henri Lartigue, Rafael Marchan, Logan O’Hoppe, Austin Listi, Nick Maton, Bryson Stott, Ronald Torreyes, Mikie Mahtook, and Nick Martini.  Only Grullon is on the 40-man roster.

Players don’t have to be on the 40 to be on the taxi squad, but they will require a transaction to the 40- and 28- man rosters if they are activated.

With all the rule changes and changes after the changes, I’m not sure of limits.  I think the taxi squad was raised from 3 to 5 players.  I think that the reduction to 26 players on the active roster was cancelled and all rosters will remain at 28 players.  I read that MLB is considering raising the limit of players on rosters from 60 to 75 players.

All seem like valid changes.  Raising the limit in Allentown would certainly make sense.  By my count, the Phillies have 24 players there – 14 pitchers and 10 position players.  That is a total of 52 players.  Pull some guys out for the taxi squad, and there are barely enough for their daily scrimmages.

The Phillies could easily add 15 guys (and keep those vacant slots they seem to like having) with relievers like Luke Leftwich, Jeff Singer, Kyle Dohy, Jakob Hernandez, Chrisrtopher Sanchez, Alejandro Requena; and position players like Edgar Cabral, Darick Hall, Luke Williams, Jose Antequera, Grenny Cumana, Mickey Moniak, Josh Stephen, Cornelius Randolph, Simon Muzziotti, Jose Gomez, Gamboa (

The Phillies signed another NDFA – LHP Corey Phelan.  He is another player from Long Island.  He was a two-way player for Harborfields High School.  PrepBaseballReport (PBR) give Phelan credit for three pitches – FB (78-80), CB (70-71), and CH (74-75).  Perfect Game says he touched 81 mph and that 82 mph is the average for the class.

Phelan joins fellow Long Islanders Nick Fanti, Kyle Young, Ben Brown, and Logan O’Hoppe in the organization.

This is the Phuture Phillies Open Discussion for Phillies and other baseball topics.

Key Dates:

  • July 23, 2020: Opening Day
  • July 24, 2020: Phillies opener at home v Miami – postponed
  • August 1, 2020 – Signing period for 2020 draft picks closes
  • August 31, 2020 – Trade Deadline
  • September 15, 2020 – Deadline for players to be added to Major League roster for postseason eligibility
  • September 28-October 1, 2020 – Minor League Baseball Innovators Summit, Winston-Salem, NC
  • September 30, 2020 – Expiration of the Professional Baseball Agreement between MLB and MiLB
  • October 15, 2020, 5:00 PM EDT – Close of the 2019 international signing period
  • October TBA – Trading resumes, day after the World Series ends
  • October – November TBA, five days after the conclusion of the World Series – Deadline for teams to make qualifying offers to their eligible former players who became free agents
  • November TBA, fifteen days after the conclusion of the World Series – Deadline for free agents to accept qualifying offers
  • November TBA – GM Meetings (Nov. 11-14, Scottsdale, AZ in 2019)
  • November TBA – Owners meetings (Nov. 19-21, Arlington, TX in 2019)
  • November 20, 2020 – Rosters set for Rule 5 Draft
  • November TBA – MLBPA executive board meeting (Nov. 26-29 in Irving, TX in 2018)
  • December 2, 2019 – Last day for teams to offer 2021 contracts to unsigned players on their 40-man rosters
  • December 6-10, 2020 – Winter Meetings in Dallas, Texas, at the Omni Dallas Hotel and Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center Dallas, held in conjunction with the Baseball Trade Show and PBEO Job Fair.
  • December 10, 2020 – Rule 5 Draft
  • January TBA – Rookie Career Development Program
  • January 15, 2021, 9:00 AM EST – Start of the 2020 international signing period

The rosters and lists are up to date as of August 16h … 346 players in the org

Transactions (newest transactions are in bold print)

8/16/2020 – Phillies recalled RF Kyle Garlick from Alternate Training Site
8/16/2020 – Phillies placed CF Roman Quinn on the 10-day IL
8/15/2020 – Cincinnati claimed LF Nick Williams off waivers from Phillies
8/14/2020 – Phillies recalled LHP JoJo Romero from Alternate Training Site
8/14/2020 – Phillies sent RHP Enyel De Los Santos outright to Alternate Training Site
8/14/2020 – Phillies sent RHP Trevor Kelley outright to Alternate Training Site
8/14/2020 – Phillies optioned LHP Austin Davis to Alternate Training Site
8/13/2020 – Phillies selected the contract of 3B Alec Bohm from Alternate Training Site
8/13/2020 – Phillies designated RHP Edgar Garcia for assignment
8/13/2020 – Phillies invited non-roster RHP JD Hammer to spring training
8/13/2020 – Phillies placed CF Adam Haseley on the 10-day IL retro to 8/12/2020, wrist sprain
8/12/2020 – LHP Corey Phelan assigned to Williamsport
8/12/2020 – Phillies signed free agent LHP Corey Phelan to a minor league contract
8/11/2020 – Phillies optioned RHP Nick Pivetta to Alternate Training Site
8/11/2020 – Phillies selected the contract of RHP Connor Brogdon from Alternate Training Site
8/11/2020 – Phillies selected the contract of RHP Blake Parker from Alternate Training Site
8/11/2020 – Phillies designated LF Nick Williams for assignment
8/11/2020 – Phillies designated RHP Trevor Kelley for assignment
8/10/2020 – RF Kyle Garlick returned to Alternate Training Site from Phillies
8/09/2020 – Phillies designated RHP Enyel De Los Santos for assignment
8/09/2020 – Phillies optioned LHP Cole Irvin to Alternate Training Site
8/09/2020 – Phillies selected contract of RHP Spencer Howard from Alternate Training Site
8/09/2020 – Phillies recalled RF Kyle Garlick from Alternate Training Site
8/06/2020 – Phillies placed RHP Reggie McClain on the 10-day IL retro to August 3, 2020
8/06/2020 – Phillies optioned RF Kyle Garlick to Alternate Training Site
8/06/2020 – Phillies optioned RHP Enyel De Los Santos to Alternate Training Site
8/03/2020 – Phillies placed RHP Reggie McClain on the paternity list
8/03/2020 – Phillies recalled Enyel De Los Santos from Alternate Training Site

361 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of August 17th

    1. Normally, if a team makes a qualifying offer to a player, and the player rejects it, that team gets a comp pick when their player signs with another team. The compensation is decided by how much your former player signs for, what size market your franchise plays in, and whether or not your club is over the luxury cap threshold.
      I know this winter (because of the COVID season situation), teams signing QO FA’s are not going to lose draft picks. However, I’m not sure if teams losing players will or will not get compensation. I’m going to try and investigate that later today.
      One point I would make, though. While the Phillies would definitely make a QO (roughly a 1 year/18 million dollar commitment) to Realmuto, it’s doubtful (IMO) they would do the same with Gregorius. If they did offer Didi the 1 year/18 million dollar offer, I think there would be a good chance he would accept it.

  1. My main takeaway from this weekend was that Bohm looked really good as a hitter I think he is going to be a good, and potentially an elite hitter in MLB. Several aspects made me feel this, but his ability to use all fields and work counts stood out to me. I think his power will come in his late 20s.

    I also found it easy to see why scouts don’t think he is a third baseman. I found myself agreeing with that take by the end of the weekend. The play where he had to charge and threw it 5 feet over Rhys’ head really said it all. To me, Bohm is a corner OF with a big arm. I see Jayson Werth.

    This is in NO WAY a slight on Bohm to say that he isn’t a 3B. I am not a hater and not attacking him. A great hitting corner OF with a big arm is a hugely valuable player. A Jason Werth comp is a massive compliment. But he just doesn’t have the agility to be a 3rd baseman. Or at least a good 3rd baseman.

    1. Agree that Bohm doesn’t look like a 3B long term. Question is, is he fleet enough for the outfield? Granted this is the Phillies we’re talking about so that isn’t usually a requirement but we know he doesn’t move like Werth.

      Jury is still out if Bohm will drive the ball enough to basically be a bat only player. Hitting the ball on the sweet spot seems like something he can do, but can he do it while hitting it in the air consistently.

      1. I think Bohm has good straight line speed. Just not great in lateral agility. I think he will be fine in corner OF spot. Certainly better than Schwarber on Cubs.

        1. Agree….Castellanos had a 40 run tool in 2013, as has Bohm now…so corner OF should be no issue.

    2. Alec did make a bare hand charge play before the one he threw away. I agree he is never going to be a GG 3B in the league but with some work he could be adequate enough.

      I’m ok with whatever they decide on him defensively because I know the kid can hit. Let’s just hope they don’t try messing with his swing and getting in his head with all kinds of information overload.

      It’s a pretty safe bet that is what happened to Rhys

    3. Can he hold down 3rd base long enough for space to be created in the outfield and reinforcements on the infield? Like is he a replacement for Cutch in a few years? They have a bunch of infield prospects – Stott, Garcia, Simmons, Martin – maybe a couple pan out and can play SS and 3B.

      1. Even though I agree that Bohm’s future will likely not be at 3B, it won’t happen right away. I fully expect him to start 2021 at 3B. The Phillies will give him every opportunity at 3B. It’s not like the Phillies have another 3B prospect in the minors…

        1. Depending on how Luis Garcia develops, Bryson Stott may move to 3b. He’s a top 100 prospect, with left handed pop which profiles well at 3b.

          1. You’re talking about a lot of variables here.

            Stott is still an unknown quantity. Best case for him is 2022, and that’s if he develops. Stott hasn’t played above Williamsport.

            Luis Garcia stunk at Lakewood. He’ll spend at least 2 more years in the minors, if not 3.

            Bohm will get his chances at 3B unless his glove really can’t play there.

      2. Depends on what you mean by “hold down”? Would you say he held down 3rd base this past weekend? I thought his defense was poor. I thought that he showed well below average range and agility. He had several bad throws when he had to move laterally. Fans used to go crazy about Franco’s defense, but Bohm’s defense is considerably worse imo.

  2. I’m not really concerned about this but any one else wondering why Wheeler’s K numbers are so low? Just the weirdness of the season? His stuff still seems to be there and he’s always done better in the hotter months . . . kinda puzzling but hey the results are still there.

    1. Eric … I’ve also felt Wheeler should be a guy who racks up more K’s. He’s got the stuff to be that guy. For whatever reason, his career K-rate has only been about 9 K/9 IP. Probably needs to command his FB a little better. Nonetheless, he’s a really good #2 to Aaron Nola. They offer completely different looks. Hopefully, Spencer Howard can develop into the team’s #3.

    2. Wheeler has excellent velocity without a ton of movement. Also don’t know that he really has strike-out off speed pitches. They are good enough to get weak contact with guys having to be ready for 97-98 but they are not swing/miss pitches for the most part.

      Can a guy who throws 97 be a pitch to contact guy?

      1. “Can a guy who throws 97 be a pitch to contact guy?”

        4Smr vs 2 Smr…..depends how he wants to grip the ball and what action he wants.

        As you can see…the last two years he avoided the 2SMr for some reason….just assume, maybe because he was coming off TJ and the added twist to give it the last moment run inward would adversely affect his elbow.
        But now he is back using the sinker/2Smr….15/20% of the time
        4Smr FB has dropped 10/15 % less…so fewer Ks.

        1. I see what he did now…..he used the splitter these last two years ilo of the sinker.
          I have to guess Price does not want him to throw it now and go back to the sinker.

  3. When I watch Zack Wheeler pitch, I see the guy Mick Abel can one day become. Both high draft picks, same build, upper 90’s velo, plus breaking ball. Here’s hoping young Mick stays healthy (Wheeler fell to TJ at age 25), and fulfills his enormous potential.

  4. Does anyone have any information on Jay Bruce or Jean Segura? We are really thin now and don’t have much in LHV. Now Nick Williams and Josh Harrison look big.

  5. Corey Phelan….Phillies could move him to OF if they deem it better fro him in the long run.

  6. Wheeler has that easy motion and his fastball is explosive but if he can’t command his secondary pitches, he could be hit. There are plenty of MLB players who can catch up to a 97-98 mph fastball.

    I’m hoping like the rest of you that he will be the dominant pitcher the Phillies need for the next 4 years. If he, Nola, and Howard can pitch to their potential and a couple of other arms can contribute, that would be nice.

    1. He threw a splitter these past two years….he has not been doing it so far in 2020.
      Splitter will give you plenty of Ks , but pitchers are warned about what can happen throwing it too often. Sinker gives you plenty of off-the barrel ground balls.

  7. I know we all love Howard’s potential but let’s be fair to the guy. He’s going to get hit around for awhile in the majors until he improves his location. Remember how little Howard has pitched in the last 18 months. He pitched very little last season, didn’t pitch much in spring training this year, and never even touched AAA. He has lots to learn and I’m confident that he’ll improve from pitching but expect lots of jumps in the road begins he becomes what will all hope he becomes. It may take until 2022 for him to really get there but we’ll see.
    Meanwhile, these latest injuries are building up while we have only Grullon on the 40. Every roster move to the 28 could cost us a player from the 40. Btw Jim, Garlick came up for Quinn, not Haseley. Bohm took Haseley’s spot. Let’s hope Quinn just has a cold and is able to play this week because I’m guessing Bruce will be out for a week or two. I’m not sure about Segura but we have two guys who can play 2b, three if Quinn is able to play.

  8. My buddy, the Blue Jays fan, thinks that Marcus Stroman should get 4 years, $80M in FA.

    That started me thinking, do the Phillies need him and if yes, what should we give him?

    Here’s the state of the Phillies rotation after 2020:

    Wheeler: 4 years
    Nola: 3 years
    Eflin: 2 years
    Howard: 6 years

    Arrieta: FA
    VV: 1 year

    Since the Phillies don’t have any other top prospect pitchers waiting in the wings, then yes, the Phillies should have an open spot available for 2021.

    Marcus Stroman will start the 2021 season at age 30 (similar to Zack Wheeler as he started his Phillies contract at age 30). Stroman is an excellent pitcher, I consider him to be a 2-3 pitcher. His last 3 WAR years were 5.2, 0.3, 4.6. That 0.3 is not a typo as he battled injuries. He opted out for 2020.

    There are 2 issues with Stroman. When he was in Toronto and he realized that he wasn’t going to get his big contract, he aired out his grievances in social media. I’m assuming this won’t be an issue once he gets paid, but you never know. He’s not afraid to speak his mind on social media. Second, he’s one of the shortest (if not the shortest) starting pitchers in baseball. Baseball reference has him at 5′ 7″, 180lbs. Again, that is not a typo. He’s barely bigger than Jose Altuve. So durability has to be a concern as he ages.

    So obviously, I’m not giving Stroman Wheeler’s contract. Would I give him 4 years, $80M? I think that is the max that I would go. 5 years is a concern because of his size. Roy Oswalt was barely 6′ and he broke down at age 34. So I would go 4 years, $70M. I might go up to $80M but there’s no way he’s getting 5 years from me.

    1. Agree on his cons….height and I also add aging …plus velo is tweaking downward with age.
      Year Fourseam Sinker
      2013… 95.25… 0.00 …
      2014… 94.41… 93.37…
      2015… 93.29… 92.56…
      2016… 93.71… 92.99…
      2017… 94.14… 93.65…
      2018… 93.15… 92.72…
      2019… 93.44… 92.69…

      Pros…plenty experience and faced top teams in AL-East over the years.
      May get his on a lower AAV…..but doubt it….he does seem he could wait it out untilhe gets what he wants.

      1. Stroman – agree with Romus, don’t think he gets his number. However, free agent pitchers of his ilk ’20-21 are as follows : T Bauer ; J Paxton ; C. Hamels ; R. Ray ; M Minor – are the best of the group. Cole, obviously on a one year. Stroman could arguably be the 3rd best available – but then, go back to the pandemic’s impact on payrolls, and that may squelch buyers ?

        1. Paxton(31), Hamels(36), Minor(32) are older so they won’t get crazy deals.

          Robbie Ray(28) has had only had 1 seriously good year.

          Trevor Bauer and Marcus Stroman are about the same age (29). I assume that these 2 guys will get the most years and money. We’ll see how much they will get.

          1. IMO the Phillies are going to prioritize JTR this offseason. When they get that done, I would guess the team would explore another one year deal with Didi Gregorius (not sure if he’d be open to that). Rhys Hoskins will also get a bump in salary in his first year of arbitration.
            If the GM (Klentak or someone else) is going to invest in a FA arm, a LH pitcher makes the most sense. As mentioned above, Ray, Paxton, Minor, and Hamels are available. However, if I was spending Middleton’s money, I would look backwards. I’d bring back Drew Smyly. I think he’s a good #4 or #5, and would be more cost efficient. There may also be some arms available on the trade market. I just have a hard time seeing the team fitting another long term-big money deal on pitcher (Ray/Paxton/Minor) right now.

            1. If the Phillies want a 4-5 pitcher, I would rather go with internal options. 4-5 guys are replaceable.

              Yes, I agree that JTR should be the priority. And if he does sign with the Phillies, there might not be too much cash left for another big signing.

        1. roccco….hah… not think so, though think he is getting ready to get into the dough business..

    2. What’s better, Stroman at 4/80m or Arrieta at 1/20m? Arrieta isn’t a FA, he has 2 team options at 20million per year

      1. I looked at Arrieta’s contract again, I believe the Phillies had to exercise the option for 2021 and 2022 early, I think after the 2018 season. Since the Phillies didn’t do that, I think Arrieta is a FA in 2021 without restrictions.

        1. No, Phillies could have prevented him opting out by picking up both options before his decision. He chose to not opt out which then made them team options. See

  9. It’s apparent the Taxi squad is for Prospect Development not to support MLB injuries, relief pitching or positional needs. Rosso and Brogden the only two to be used, Jo Jo Romero’s promotion despite decreased success and loss of Velocity, Howard’s injury would support not enough innings to support the strength and conditioning needed but he does have the IT.
    Bringing Hammer up, his promotion last year indicated he also needs innings.
    What happened to Llovera despite IL, Seabold (AFL numbers) , Jacob Hernandez, Parkinson’s & Falter’s numbers and increased velocity.
    Middleton needs to look deeper and look more IT Players

  10. Spencer Howard’s results will improve the most when he grows into his body. Location should improve with experience but size and strength will overcome not hitting spot all the time.

    I love players using whole field. Utley, Hoskins, Ruf, Bohm but seems Phillies always become pull happy. Not sure if organization or playing in a bandbox. I mention Ruf because I remember him staying back on a 3-2 change up once in South Philly and driving to base of center field wall. Bohm likely to end up same way. Thought utley would hit 310 with 15 to 20 homers a year. Swung for short right porches.

    1. Personally I despise the exit velo/launch angle/one-size-fits-all philosophy. Talk about thinking ‘outside’ the box…way outside. Another development from the smartest guys in the room club who have no feel for the original design of the game. At least Bryce Harper pays little to no attention to these geniuses and lays a bunt down from time to time.

      1. Waiting for the first small market team to build a team based on making contact, speed, and playing defense. Those types of players are cheaper to get and more available to draft. Would be an interesting experiment.

  11. Ironically speed is cheap! Would you rather have the paycheck of the tortoise or the hare? Sign me up for the🐢! Satchel was right “don’t run when you can walk and don’t look over your shoulder, someone might be gaining on you”!

    1. Most of those guys, like you infer are not power guys.
      And many are low BA/OBP guys also..
      And one thing with speed….you lose a little as you age.

  12. The only game to watch last night was Yankees Red Sox and my how that air is out of that balloon. All the Red Sox have to show for Betts at the moment is Verdugo. He’s doing ok but clearly there are a bunch of ?’s about him. Devers is in the tank as is JD Martinez and Benintendi. The only guy playing decent for them right now is Xander

    On the flip side the Yankees have depth out the azz. Frazier has stepped in for Judge and he is crushing the ball pole to pole. Consider they had no Judge, no Giancarlo and no Lemahieu last night and still put up 6+ runs.

  13. Kyle Lewis continues his torrid debut in the MLB. Last night against the Dodgers he went 3-4 with a HR a BB 2 RBIs and 2 Runs Scored. He is now slashing 345/420/949 OPS

    Another player we missed on in the Giles trade and I remember his name from poking around on their Top 30 prospects list when the trade was going down but not announced yet was Teoscar Hernandez.

    I believe at the time he was their 10th or 11th prospect. He ended up going to the Jays in the Osuna trade so I have to believe he was available to us in the Giles trade.

  14. Why are we posting about other team players like Kyle Lewis was he a phillies player? Every day we have updates on Other team players, just dont get why

    1. rocco……DMAR fell head over heals for Lewis prior to the 2016 draft…..Ms took him at 11…..took him awhile but he finally came around…injuries held him back for the most part.

    2. Fair question Rocco. Personally I don’t believe as a Phillies fan I have to live in a vacuum of just our players. Having been part of this community since 06 I believe it’s fair to revisit past drafts to see how we did. I also believe the MLB is a very small community and all transactions have a relatable effect on our team.

      I’m a reasonable guy however so if the general population doesn’t find information about the league at large interesting I will happily cease and desist.

      Every day however is a bit of an exaggeration

      1. Keep posting about anything/everything baseball, DMAR. I appreciate your views.
        I supported picking Cal Quantrill in that draft. I still follow him.

        1. Appreciate that Hinkie…

          Two articles I read this morning that I found interesting and wondering (it is a slow phillies day) were one about Tatis Jr. swinging 3-0 and hitting a grand slam up by 7 in the 8th. His Manager said he ignored the take sign

          The second was how the Indian’s Plesac and Clevinger were punished for violating Covid protocols by hitting the town in Chicago.

          Both were reassigned to the taxi squad and both will lose service time thus granting the Indians another year of control over each player.

          I would describe both scenarios as selfish with both having very different repercussions (naturally so as they are quite different) but with regard to Tatis Jr. Woodward the Rangers manager said its hard to accept that the unwritten rules of baseball are no longer respected.

          Woodward was quite classy in saying because I don’t like it doesn’t make it wrong.

      2. I also like looking back at past drafts/trades to see what might have been. Lewis was a guy the Phillies were linked to as far as having interest, so it isn’t too far out there to say he could have been the pick.

        1. LOL Rocco my pants aren’t on fire and I wasn’t at all offended by the question. In fact I said it was a fair question and then I went on to answer it.

          We’re good bud 🙂

  15. If we don’t learn from the past, we cannot correct mistakes that may have been made. There was a lot of sentiment for AJ Puk his draft year, as well as the local kid, Groome. There were guys who wanted Lewis his draft year. It’s always interesting to see what might have been, especially when we are viewed as a bottom 3rd Farm system. We have to get better.

    1. matt13…I still like Mickey’s future. It may or may not be with the Phillies when all is said and done, but i do think he will blossom into a quality MLB player. Being taken overall number one has put the onus of some sort of pressure there, but the Phillies right now are confident in his development.
      Lewis took awhile to come on…he is now 25. The Ms did not give up on him, even after that horrific leg injury.

  16. That should have been “wanted Lewis that draft year.” This was all about the same draft. I will continue to root for Mickey Moniak, and I actually have more problems with the Larry Greene and Cornelius Randolph drafts than with Mickey, who still has a chance to make it. That decision also involved taking Kevin Gowdy, and he may have turned out great if he wasn’t injured.That was a $3.5M, and he was supposed to be really good.

    1. I will route for MM as well Matt. I always said Mickey didn’t draft himself so for me to direct or have any hostility towards him would be asinine.

      I’m happy for him he seems like a great kid and a hard worker.

      1. I agree, DMAR. Moniak is (was) a mid-to-late 1st round talent. Klentak played the old ‘let’s spread the wealth among picks’ option…to an underwhelming result four years after the fact. If 2nd rounder Kevin Gowdy can somehow resuscitate his career, Klentak wouldn’t look so bad, but…

        In any case, I think most here would have been on board with Mickey had he been a later pick. I continue to cheer him on with realistic hope that he arrives in 2021 as a contributing role player, 4th OF. Haseley and Quinn would have much to say about that between now and then, although the former may be included in a package for pitching help.

        1. I don’t remember there being any indication that the Phillies picked Moniak to save money. I think there was no clear #1 prospect and they liked him a lot.

    2. Kyle Lewis was never really an option for 1:1. Once they moved on from Puk, the decision was Senzel or Moniak/Gowdy.

      Senzel is in majors but stats are nothing special yet. They got very unlucky w Gowdy’s injuries. And Mickey’s hit tool didn’t translate against better pitching.

  17. Phillies are reportedly trading Edgar Garcia to the Rays. Let’s see how long it takes for him to become a key arm in Tampa’s bullpen.

    1. Cash may have him as a candidate for ‘opening’ if they have to go into double-headers…right now they are good, but they do have 16 straight days of games starting today.. And Cash looks like he has had only one reliever open so far this season.

    2. Good thing our bullpen is so strong that we don’t need any more young guys with live arms.

      Actually since this is Klentak, what are the odds that the return will be a 31 yo minor league journeyman reliever with about 8 career major league innings?

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  18. I read somewhere that the PTBNL was already decided on, but since he is not on Tampa’s 60 squad, it gets announced after the season.We need to do some damage on this road trip, and force Klentak into a deadline move to add to the BP. It is still more important to me that we make the Playoffs than it is to get a new GM.

    1. Maybe it will be Curtis Mead….the one time prospect of the Phillies until the off-season trade for Christopher Sanchez.

  19. Roman Quinn tested negative so he’s back in the lineup. Jay Bruce is DH so he’s good to go. Kingery is at 2B so that means Segura is still hurt.

        1. Roman Quinn (age 27) has been injured so much, he’s not a FA until 2025! So the Phillies should keep him until he becomes a FA at age 32.

  20. In the Land of Moving Parts, and Didi Gregorius reentering free agency after 2020, would the Phillies have (a) interest, and (b) the resources to trade for SS Xander Bogaerts by the deadline?

    His contract stipulates no-trade rights as of Sept 6 of this season. The RedSox have certainly reason, if not outright urgency, to entertain offers. He’s locked up at $20M per season thru 2025, option for same $$ in ’26. However, he does enjoy an opt out after ’22. That would slightly lower the return for him.

    I would assume the consensus here is that Bohm and Howard are virtually untouchable in this case. And I agree. So, would any combo of minor and major league talent within the organization otherwise be worth offering? (Bear in mind: Chaim Bloom would be Matt Klentak’s counterpart in this scenario, so some deputy would have to make sure there’s no grand larceny…but then really, what’s there to steal?)

    Spitballing here…I don’t see this GM being so bold.

  21. Guys, Bohm is not a 3rd baseman. That double up the line by JD Martínez is another example. That should have been an out. Instead it is an RBI double up the line.

    I think that his bat is going to be very good. But he is a corner OF. Not a corner IF.

    1. He may not play 3B long term, but Bohm will almost certainly man that position thru at least the 2021 season. Andrew McCutchen is under contract at 20-million dollars (16.66 million cap hit) next year. The only other option might be to trade Hoskins and move Bohm to 1B, but I think that’s unlikely.

    2. He did make a nice play to snare that liner later on, but I think I agree. He sometimes looks like he just started playing 3B last month.

      1. Yeah. But that was just an athletic play. He is a good athlete. Don’t get me wrong. I am not bashing the kid. He just isn’t a third baseman doesn’t have the lateral quickness and agility.

  22. Elfin putting up a stinker. Green monster not helping. Godley with an ungodly era looks like cy young against our boys. Sox trying to break an eight game losing streak.

  23. Granted, it was the lowly Red Sox but there are some very encouraging trends, along with a few mixed results…

    Girardi has to get Gosselin more ABs, be it at 2b, DH, wherever. We may have a golden Goose here.

    Harper makes it look easy. Whatever the metrics say as far as league rankings, his intangibles alone bring SO much to the party.

    Hoskins beginning to awaken?!?!

    Geez, Eflin can look unhittable vs one batter and like a journeyman the next.

    Bohm is a bonafide big league bat. A 1-3 pick for Klentak should be a gimme, but at least he got that one right.

    Let’s hope the Phillies have shed their training camp cobwebs. This division is there for the taking. Atlanta keeps suffering IL setbacks despite remaining the team to beat. The Fish are bad when they don’t play the Phillies. The Mets and Nats have several key players either struggling or hurt. Let’s see if Klentak can tweak the pitching staff between now and the 31st…

    1. I wonder how much fielding is taken in to consideration, when you draft, Looking at Bohm, its very obvious he has little lateral movement, So my Question do you take a bad fielder with a good bat, or a good fielder with a little less bats?

      1. Good fielders are a dime a dozen so I am always taking the hit tool at 3 overall. I’m curious about the corner OF for Bohm. Up until this point I don’t think he’s even played a minor league game out there.

        I’m sure he shags balls during BP so they must have some idea if he is capable of making that move.

        2-3 with 2 BB is very encouraging for Bohm last night who is now slashing 353/450/921 OPS and his power numbers haven’t even arrived yet but they will.

          1. Hmm…..if the 6/ 7 other players are hitters in the lineup…than Feliz….if they are a bushel of Mini Marts…than Madlock.

            In Bohm’s case….if JTR re-signs, Haseley, Hoskins, Kingery and eventually Stott come around to hit what is expected of them ……then move Bohm to LF and get a primarily glove at third who is serviceable at the plate.

    2. Your statement of a 1-3 pick should be a gimme got me thinking. I know that even high draft picks can fail, but how hard can it be to draft in the top 3? Here’s the picture, and it’s not pretty.

      From 2000-2015, the number of players who have had a career WAR of at least 20:

      #1 pick: 8
      #2 pick: 4
      #3 pick: 2

      Those are ugly numbers right there which just goes to show how much of a crapshoot the MLB draft is.

      And before you think 20 WAR is a good player, as a reference, Pat Burrell’s career WAR is 18.9.

      1. This is great insight but Rocco was wondering what would you do if you have the 3rd pick and you have 2 guys. One with questions about his hit tool the other with questions about his defense?

        1. You always take the hit tool. It’s way easier to find guys with a good glove. If you can hit, the team will find a place for you.

      2. Expecting players drafted 2013-2015 to have a career WAR of 20+ after only a few years in the league is a little ridiculous…assuming 2 years to get to the show a 2013 draft pick would have had to average ~5WAR to meet your criteria

    3. Agree Scotty has to move to the bench and the Goose hot streak has to be ridden out for a while.

      Also I was not happy about the Didi signing but I have to admit he has been a really good player for us.

      Also of note Rhys has really made a concerted effort to get back to hitting the ball the other way. Now if he would just put it all together he could take off.

      1. DMAR……I think Kingery needs to go down to LHV for a 2/3 weeks and clear his head and revamp his swing or approach.
        Pulls off most all pitchers…not the same gap-to-gap hitter he was at Arizona and early in his minor league career.

        1. Romus, Watch last night second inning Kingery at bat, 90MPH fastball, He not only missed it, but pull his head off the ball, To me he is lost,

          1. rocco..agree. amazingly it is so obvious to everyone…even Kruk brought it up….then remained silent on that fat pitch down the middle where Kingery miss hit it for a foul. Very frustrating to watch right now.
            Girardi did the right thing with Gosselin ‘s insertion….now lets see if Klentak can pick up on it, and send him down to get it back together..

        2. If they were playing real Minor League games down there I would fully agree. Since it seems like they are doing nothing more than low intensity simulated games I think I would just leave him on the bench and get him the occasional start.

          Therefore I only partly agree

  24. Harper is off to an elite hitting season. Not sure if you noticed, but one big adjustment is his 2 strike approach. He doesn’t stride. Widens his base and just swings. His homer last night was on a no stride swing. He is a truly gifted baseball player.

    1. Lowering his hands before the load also seems to be another experiment for him.
      Great hitters can change during a season….others have to take the off-season to make any adjustments to their swing..
      Stengel told a young Mantle during one season, when batting lefthanded to move a few inches further away/back from the plate… worked, he then was able to hit the high inside FB.

    2. I do love watching him play and now that he is on our team I also really like the guy or the person…

  25. Eflin…..strange, has gone back to his 2Smr (60%), less than 6% on his 4Smr, and is more comfortable in his pitch -to-contact pitching approach….and yet leads the MLB in K/9 at almost 15 per 9. (SSS)
    You would think he would induce more GB, like Wheeler has been doing.

    1. Thought he was nibbling yesterday; ERA is still over 5 so let’s pump the breaks before we give Price all the accolades. Still, there is some stuff to like with Eflin.

      1. Eflin is missing more bats….especially that pitch low and inside to RHBs….but at the same time H/9 are a little too high for him, along with a tick too high from his career in BB/9….plus his splits vs LHB is not good at all…..500/.567/.885…30 PAs…and that is what has hurt him the most.

        1. look Eflin has major league stuff, Now does he learn how to use it to his full potential, which i believe is a 3 or 4 starter, That is the real question,

        2. With regard to Eflin there was a lot of talk about them wanting him to pitch up in the zone last year. This year he has gone back to pitching down in the zone where he says he is more comfortable.

          What’s wrong with using all 4 quadrants of the K zone?

          1. DMAR..I guess that is easier said then done.
            The best have the best command, that is what separates them from the field.

  26. Contrast current Phillies with Joe Girardi to Phillies with Kapler last year. Girardi bats Gosslin for Kingery, Kapler would put Sean Rodriguez in to bat for Kingery or if Rodriguez was starting then he wouldn’t pinch hit for him.

  27. Jim;

    Any talk around Clearwater on what the Phillies are going to do with their minor league players this off season?

    1. Hawkeye the last i heard was last Week, talk is they are opening a Subway near the complex. Thats all i know

    2. Hawkeye, I think Rocco asked this last week, and I didn’t see it until Saturday. Yes, I hear talk about “what the Phillies are going to do with their minor league players this off season”. I can’t print it yet. Nothing is firm, plans constantly changing, everything still dependent on COVID in Florida.

  28. Okay, watching today’s game has already become physically painful and we’ve completed only 2 innings. The lefty Hart is pitching as if he wants to walk every batter, and four of our batters have literally said no thanks. And Jake? That had to be the worst 2 innings of shutout ball I’ve ever witmessed.

    1. Today’s game was lost in the first inning which should have easily been a 4 or 5 run frame, instead of 2. Letting the Hart kid off the ropes changed the whole complexion of the game. Especially bad ABs from JTR and Bohm that inning.

    2. A little while ago I saw that entering today’s action, the Phillies had the #1 offense in the NL…so I’ll file this one away as just a bad day.

  29. Moffo – that soft tossing southpaw really perplexed the Phillies. What the heck happened there.

    1. I think Ciada, its like the story Romus told me when i was a little kid, He was a councelor at my camp, There was a giant and a little kid with a sling shot and a stone, killed that giant, Sometimes the little guy wins,

      1. Wow……………that’s a special story! What a guy, that Romus. Was that the baseball camp where he taught you to throw a splitter and use an emery board to scuff the baseball?

        1. rocco, and such a nice little kid he was, cute as a button, ….do not know what happened since!

          1. My wife showed me pictures from a ball game in 1917 there were fans and the players wore masks, i know Romus would remember this but a lot of us weren’t born yet, really didnt know about mask during that horrible plague.

      2. Phillies seem to have troubles against soft tossing lefties but they never give enough credit to their own soft tossing lefties; i.e. Cole Irvin, JoJo Romero, Ranger Suarez, etc.

  30. With trade deadline coming maybe a chance for Phil’s to pick up a useful player for next couple seasons. Maybe so smaller market teams need to dump salary due to loss of $$ from shortened season and no ticket sales. Might not have to give up much. Kind of move teams like yanks and dodgers do. Time to act like the big boys.

  31. We currently have 2 reliable SPs in Nola and Wheeler. Howard is only getting his major league legs under him. Arrieta is washed up. (Was hoping he’d be more effective in his walk year but hey…) Eflin isn’t consistent enough to be more than a #5. We’ve been there and done that with anyone else in the organization (ie Velasquez and Pivetta). Time for Klentak to find a #3 for a playoff run while the other NL East rivals are trying to keep their rosters intact. Even if it’s just a rental who won’t cost as much in the return.

    1. I don’t think finding a reliable SP, even a rental is K’s cup of tea. With additional teams in the playoff fray even rentals will be at a premium if they can be found. I agree with you on the need. In your mind, has Arrieta been worth the investment? 3 years of basically a .500 pitcher in W/L and sporting a 3.96 to 4.96 ERA, last year shortened due to injury, $75 million. Last 2 outings, didn’t make it too the 5th inning.

      1. In the bigger picture, Arrieta has been a poor investment. I was on board when the deal was done so I’m not going to say I told you so. That was out of excitement for Johnny Cigars making a $pla$h. But in context, the $75M could have gone a long way to address other needs (plural). However, would Klentak have “invested” well otherwise when he hasn’t shown the capacity for identifying big league talent other than a journeyman here or there, which were here and gone? And guys like Charlie Morton and Howie Kendrick were essentially discarded. So, Jake is money poorly spent by a team in greater need of a talent broker.

      2. Skeet….if you go by the Fangraphs formula for WAR and the monetary outlay…I believe their last evaluation had it at $8M per 1WAR.
        Arrieta to date on his basic 3 year $75M contract has produced a 3.3fWAR , now this season is not completed, but for arguments sake lets give Jake the benefit of the doubt and give him another .7fWAR for the remainder.
        That would put his total at 4fWAR for 3 years…..or $32M of value on a $75M contract. Also bear in mind, the injury factor for his second year cannot be discounted where he missed approx 20% of his starts..

        I do not think anyone would debate this, but the end result, the Phillies had to bite the bullet on Jake’s contract.

  32. The difference between a well run organization like the Dodgers and a mediocre organization like the Phillies can be summarized by one shinning example.

    Dodgers traded two very good hitting prospects for one of the top 3 hitters in the game and signed him to a 12 year contract extension. The Phillies traded an elite pitching prospect for the best catcher in baseball, and they are going to let him get to Free Agency.

  33. I was also on board with signing Jake, so I can’t knock Klentak. I thought that he would become one of those savvy veterans and would modify his approach to be successful. It was not money well spent. But, let’s also not let Klentak off the hook for not doing more, for not adding at either of the last 2 trade deadlines, and for not addressing the BP in a meaningful way.And, the money paid to Arrieta should not have prohibited any other expenditures. But, yesterday’s L was on the hitters. That Boston LHP was throwing junk, and we should have had 5 runs, and as good as JTR has been, that 1st Inning AB was awful. And, 1 hit after the 1st? terrible!

  34. Up here in Storrs, CT, my cable provider, Spectrum, gives me all the games for the Mets, Red Sox, and Yankees. Other than an occasional nationally broadcast game, those are the only times I get to see the Phillies play. The past two days watching our boys play the Sox was hard enough but man, those were two really long games.

    Now, last week, I’m watching the Yankees-Rays game from St. Pete. Chaz Roe, the Rays pitcher, was facing the Yankees shortstop Tyler Wade. The Yankees broadcaster, Michael Kay, says and I’m paraphrasing here, “Well, you’ve known about it since 1973 but you’re seeing it here today – Roe v Wade”. I thought it was pretty funny.

  35. Segura is back, Garlick and Rosso to LHV, McClain off IL. We need both of these games today.

    1. I’m thankful that Segura is back.

      Rosso has stuff, but he needs some more development. He should be in the bullpen mix next season.

  36. I agree Guru, He definitely has stuff. What I don’t know, and it applies to all of our prospects, is how much developing they get to do this year with no games, and circumstances being what they are.

    1. He looked better, but his command was still off. He benefited from a wonky strike zone and it looked like he didn’t have that much faith in his secondary pitches.

  37. I just don’t get why the Phillies turn into pumpkins when facing the AL. It’s the same thing almost every year, they just don’t get look good in interleague play. It’s frustrating to watch.

  38. Could someone PLEASE tell me what the infatuation with Tommy Freakin’ Hunter is all about!?!?!?!?!?! The guy can’t hit 95mph anymore.

    1. The Phillies really got unlucky with Alvarez going down. He would have ptiched the first 2 hitters of the 6th inning.

  39. Good News Restaurants to have indoor seating, So glad Romus can go back to being a waiter at Penrose Diner,

    1. rocco…..let me know when you are coming, I will put you in a window booth next to the plywood.

  40. I know that in collegiate softball, because they play seven innings, that a starting pitcher only has to pitch four innings to qualify for win. How does it work in this new MLB situation when they play double headers?

    1. They mentioned it in a previous broadcast, it’s still 5 innings regardless of 7 innings game or not.

  41. Not sure why they continue to use Guerra in clutch situations. He has not been effective pitcher the last two years.

  42. Another loss, and yes, the BP construction has been awful, actually the only worse roster construction is the 76ers, but the bats were not exactly robust the past 2 games. It is getting hard to tell myself that this is another game we should have won. I am beginning to believe we are not good.

    1. It’s ridiculous, other than the first game against the Red Sox, the hitters look like they’ve never seen a scouting report against an interleague pitcher. Gosselin is swinging at pitches out of the zone, JT looks shell shocked, and Bohm looks like he doesn’t belong.

      Current interleague record: 3-7

  43. Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t walking Gurriel to load the bases and have a force play all around be the call for Girardi in the 7th? Not one of Joe’s better games despite his lack of depth on the roster.

    1. Honestly … does anyone really think it matters who the manager is (Kapler or Girardi) when the GM is incapable of supplying him a bullpen?

      1. I do think Brogdon will come around….he pitched better yesterday after his MLB debut which was well below average.

          1. I hope he he finds some consistency at the MLB level….Phillies do not need anymore relief arms that are hot and cold guys.

  44. That has to be the worst bullpen I’ve seen in 20+ years. Only 1 guy has performed well: Jose Alvarez. Adam Morgan has pitched near his career ERA. Just on the law of averages, you have to figure that at least 1-2 pitchers would have better than average years. Nope, the rest have really, really stunk.

    1. Whoops, should mention that recent callup (and journeyman) Blake Parker has been excellent. He’s been putting out the fires started by the starters.

  45. So Jose Alvarez took a ball off his groin so not sure how long he’s out.

    And Sixto Sanchez is getting called up by the Marlins.

            1. Pivetta for sure. At least with VV, he looks like he’s working, he’s saying all the right things, and he’s not pouting when he goes to the bullpen.

  46. Anybody feel real safe with a 7 run lead, and Vinny on the mound? Sorry!, Now a 5 run lead!

  47. Is it possible that we scored 7 runs, on 6 hits, in the first inning, but don’t get a hit the rest of the game?

  48. Hector Neris trying for a 5 out Save. It’s hard to believe it’s 7-6, and we have not gotten a hit since the 1st.

  49. That did not work out very well. Although, they made a run at it in the 7th. What can be said that hasn’t already? A worse BP could not have been put together if your intention was to tank.

    1. matt13….sweep at home by the Os……lose 2 of 3 to the Marlins early on….sweep doubleheader now from the Jays……just plain terrible.

  50. Straight up, Kingery should be benched. Who said he had gold glove defense? He can’t hit, he can’t throw. If the Phillies want to put the best team out there, Kingery can’t play, period.

    Neris blows the save with all runs unearned? It’s flat out an embarrassment. You give the Blue Jays 5 outs in the 6th inning? That’s is crazy.

    This bullpen could set a MLB record for how bad it is when all is said and done.

  51. You know, the worst thing I a can say-write is that I really don’t care any more. But I’ll still enjoy reading all of your comments.

  52. How desperate was Joe Girardi whe he had to to turn to Neris for a 5 out save, when he actually warmed up in the first game!

    Interleague record 3-8.

  53. Guys, I’m not so down on Kingery. He had severe symptoms of COVID and i think there’s a good chance he hasn’t regained his full strength. Remember, regardless of his shortcomings, he has always been a spark plug. Now he just looks weak and tired. Give the kid time off, even the rest of the season, and let him start fresh in 2021.

    Klentak. I am in the dump Klentak camp. The bullpen is on him, not Middleton or anyone else. He’s a smart Ivy League guy, but he doesn’t appear to have the ability to judge talent. As has been mentioned in this space before, he hasn’t even scouted well players on his very own team, like Charlie Morton.

    In a 60-game season, opportunity to turn it around is flying by fast. I’m looking forward to the Arizona Fall League.

    1. I agree on Scott, he doesn’t look the same (healthy) to me either. They are not doing him any favors by trotting him out there either. Send him down and let him get healthy and recoup his confidence and skills.

      I’m not impressed with Klentak and suspect there will be some changes and soon. Girardi on post game live sent a blistering indictment when he said Personnel is Matt’s job, I just play who they give me. That’s not a quote per se, but my interpretation.

      I’ve noticed Didi has some problems making transfers from glove to hand at times and Roman sometimes doesn’t appear to get good reads on balls to the outfield. Fortunately, his speed often makes up for the miscalculation. Has that been apparent to anyone else?

  54. I am so done with the phillies this year. I am not listenjng to sports shows concerning Phillies, watching the games or checking sites anymore. See ya next year. Peace out.

    1. Denny i dont want to tell you what to do, But you should stay positive like me. no matter how bad they play, i always look for the bright side,

      1. rocco…ROFL,
        … for me, these next 39 games cannot get here fast enough.
        Pitching, defense and timely hitting win championships.
        Phillies lack two of those ingredients to that recipe for success.
        Bullpen’s ERA is bottom of the league….and their DRS is a negative 9….27th in the league…only the Red Sox and Blue Jays are worse and they just beat the Phillies the last tree games.

        I think this play continues for anther three weeks, mid-Sept, Matt K gets relieved of his duties, and Bryan Minniti comes in as interim GM.

        1. I enjoyed reading, listening and discussing all the sports during the lock down without the games. It was like being a kid again just daydreaming about the games. Actuality or reality sucks. I found out that I enjoy the off season more than the outcomes, if y’all understand that?

          1. Yep…understandable …. I knew an older guy who loved Notre Dame football….but could never watch the actual game live on Saturdays, waited for the outcome before watching it replayed as a win, or just did not watch in a loss.

            That is why this site gets plenty of enthusiasm over the minor leaguers…..they are that future hope.
            Most Phillies fans, and many of my friends, care less about players in the DSL/ GCL/Williamsport ….they only start to care about a minor leaguer when he reaches Reading or LHV and is that bright star-burst coming up.

            1. Exactly. I love reading about minor leagues and get so upset with the reality of the majors. I watch TV to see the Phillies, leaving in NC. What I do is skip to only the Phillies batting and try not to watch the Phillies pitching. Last night I watched the first game and did a Condensed version of the second. Afterward I had an empty feeling that I got in 1976, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1983, 1993, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011. I hate it and I am now turned to politics, see how bad it has become.

    1. I wish Sixto a good major league career, I was following him when he played for us, The Realmuto trade…if you’re Realmuto right now you test the market and even take a little less money to play for a better organization.
      I sure would!

      Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while, but not this front office!

      1. The whole reason JT Realmuto is going to test free agency is to set the salary bar for other (younger) catchers. Doesn’t sound like he’s in the mood to take any discounts (even if it means playing for a better organization).

        1. I just hope, that little recessed voice in Bryce’s head is not whispering to him …maybe that 4/5 year deal with the Dodgers would have been better now…..a play-off bound team…..closer to home in Vegas….and still come out young enough to get another great contract.

          “The Dodgers reportedly offered Bryce Harper a four-year deal worth $45 million per season, according to MLB Network’s Jon Morosi. Per Morosi, Los Angeles’ deal would have broken the MLB record for average annual value per year and allowed Harper to re-enter the free-agent market at 30 years old.Feb 28, 2019”

          1. Dang Romus. That’s a sad and possibly very true thought, and who would blame him.

            C’mon Phillies! Win 12 straight or lose them all. This tease around 500 with bursts to give false hope is painful. I’m fine with tanking and getting a stud. If we aren’t good enough this year (and we aren’t) then improve odds for a better phuture!

  55. The elephant in the Phillies executive suites this morning has got to be what will, if anything, Klentak do before the trade deadline. Then, Middleton will decide on Sept 28 whether he was impressed enough to not replace him…MacPhail must have left town, so he doesn’t really matter.

    My interest now is in scanning the field for new GMs.
    Anyone have a worthwhile candidate? I’m all ears…er, eyes…

  56. Obviously the act of the Phillies throwing up “two stinkers” in one day has stifled the fan base to Simon & Garfunkel’s “Sound of Silence”! Just be glad the debacle was two 7 inning games, 9 inning games would have been like bamboo splinters under the fingernails.

  57. With how the Phillies season is right now, you know what I really miss?
    Following the minor league teams and certain prospects. Finding the positive development of players. If the Phillies had some bad games there usually was something positive to discuss on here about minor league players, even though it seems like most of those players didn’t do very good for the big league club.
    Otherwise, there is always next year, isn’t it about a decade that we have been saying that?
    Seems like forever!

  58. Say what you want about the offense but this is the exact same team from last year and the year before. They impress and then take giant steps backwards. Maybe the Kapler haters will see now that it doesn’t matter whose at the helm, if you don’t have the pitching it doesn’t mean anything. Nothing has changed.

      1. Hinkie, Romus Eric dont be down, lets sing
        Gray skies are gonna clear up
        Put on a happy face
        Brush off the clouds and cheer up
        Put on a happy face
        Take of the gloomy mask of tragedy
        It’s not your style
        You’ll look so good that you’ll be glad
        You decided to smile
        Pick out a pleasant outlook
        Stick out that n

        1. Rocco … in an attempt to look at the silver lining, there is this:

          * The Phillies would have the 1-8 pick in the 2021 draft if the season ended this minute.

          * Another disaster season should force John Middleton to end the MacKlentak (sorry to use that term, Jim) era. I’ve said it before, and I’m going to post it again … they seem like nice guys, but that duo has been waaaay toooo vanilla. Their rebuild has failed. After five long years, they have the Phillies in the most unenviable position in professional sports: the middle. They’re not good enough to compete for a championship, and not bad enough to (likely) land a stud in the draft.

          1. I’ve mentioned a few times (maybe one hundred times) over the past year that Matt Klentak has an abysmal record of building bullpens. You need power arms and a couple of different look/funky relievers.
            I do want to cut him a little slack, though. The team has been w/o David Robertson and Ser-Ant’ny for most of the past two seasons. Robertson had no history of injury until he got here.
            Having said that, Klentak has been unable to replace them. The roster is too top heavy, and lacks depth. He couldn’t afford Sergio Romo last winter. Romo cost the Twins just 5 million dollars. He’s been excellent for them. Romo would have probably helped the Phils win at least a couple of games so far this season. The lack of roster depth is on Klentak.

      2. Yeah. Hinkie and I we’re saying that all year. People thought Girardi had some magic potion. At the MLB level, Managers have very little impact. You need the horses.

  59. Middleton is a terrible owner. He still gets some support on this site because he talks the talk with his stupid money comments. And he did lay out mucho bucks for Harper. He is a terrible owner because he hired MacPhail and Klentak and refused to admit his mistake and extended them. The results on the field speak for themselves. That makes him a terrible owner. I don’t care if he spends a billion dollars a year. Consistent mediocrity under an owner makes the owner a terrible owner.

    Guys like Lombardi and Al Davis were right. Winning is the only thing that counts in professional sports. There is no other reason for professional sports to exist. Players are paid to win. Not look pretty or give nice interviews or have their names associated with charities. If an owner can’t lead his organization to championships then he/she/they stink.

    Middleton must get the next hires right. He needs experienced, proven winners to run the Phillies.

    1. Imo John Middleton has become the next Jerry Jones, he wants to make the calls, Hire the right GM and sign the checks thats a good owners job.

      1. rocco…..Middelton could be getting close to that /meddling owner’ that produces no champs….Jones/Daniel Snyder (‘Skins)/Dolan (Knicks)/Al Davis (Raiders)
        He could let go both MacPhail and Klentak come October….where does he go from there?

  60. You can’t win every year, NL, but when you are the Phils, in this market, you need to be among those with a fighting chance every year. This is the 9th season since 2011, when, although we didn’t win the WS, I believe we were the best team in Baseball. Nine years! That is almost unbelievable, but we have suffered through it. Was Middleton in charge all 9 years? No, but he was certainly influential. Very happy to have his imprint on the signing of Cliff Lee, when we brought him back. MacPhail is part of a Baseball family, with no real successful track record of his own. I would never have hired him. Klentak is MacPhail’s guy. And, BTW, it certainly wasn’t all Kapler’s fault, but he was a terrible Manager, and I could not listen to him talk after a loss. The Giants fans are already after his head. Because Klentak has failed to do his job well, does not make Kapler any better at his.

    1. After Kaplers head? Are they blind as well . . . Take a look at their roster, pitching esp. they actually have a worse overall pitching than we do (or at least that’s how it seems from a quick glance). I don’t care how good of a manager you are, if you don’t have the arms it’s doesn’t mean a thing.

  61. To get off the subject a little bit, I’d like to vent about Thom Brennaman. I hate when people make homophobic or racial slurs and then say, (quoting Brennaman), “That is not who I am. It never has been”. Yes, it is you because you just said it. Thanks for letting me vent.

  62. Eric D, fans of teams that lose do not want to hear the pablum that Kapler offers. If a player plays poorly, saying “he presented well” is nonsense. Yes, the Giants stink That is why his friend hired him. It does not make him a good Manager, and my only point is that Klentak is not very good at his job, but neither is Kapler. His Management skills involved reading a printout from a statistical analysis. I have nothing against him personally, but he was not very good. And, had Klentak been fired, like a lot of us wanted, the new GM would not have kept Kapler.

    1. I’m not saying that Kapler did a great job but look what’s going on with Joe G, the EXACT SAME THING. All i’m saying is maybe it wasn’t the manager bc not for nothing, he had them competing for the vast majority of 2018 and 2019 and thats with teams that just weren’t that good. I don’t care how good of a manager you are, you can’t win without arms and talent.

      1. Eric D…one difference so far…..and after only 20 plus games……Girardi already implied the other night….he only coaches what is given to him
        That tells you him and Matt K will probably not be teaming together much longer after this season…..unless of course the Phillies turn it around on a dime, go on a long winning streak and go hot into the play-offs.

  63. Fortunately, at least in this case, Middleton has rabbit ears. The public outcry over the bullpen alone will prompt him to make the move to cut Klentak loose. If it were up to the GM, Kapler would still be wearing red pinstripes, making inexplicable ingame decisions and excruciating postgame comments. No well run MLB club would hire him as manager. 3 years ago, Kapler was the new flavor of the month. Intelligent, articulate and photogenic…an organization’s dream front man. And yes, he is all of those still. What he’s not is a good baseball manager. Ask Aaron Nola and a few other players who are still here.

    1. Hopefully he can throw strikes…….was getting a little wild this year in a very SSS of only 6 innings of relief.

    2. I assume someone will get DFAed……perhaps Rosso.

      Phillies looking tio get Workman from the Red Sox as rumor has it.

      rocco….you always liked Workman, correct?

    3. The positives are that Hale is not a FA until 2024 and he can’t be worse than what we have now.

  64. Wow, not sure I’ve ever seen anything this bad before but after 21 games, Scott Kingery’s WAR is -1.2! That is mind boggling bad. As a comparison, Chris Davis in 2018 had -3.6 WAR in 128 games. Kingery could set a record for the worst WAR in 60 games.

  65. You guys remind me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Addison Russ fairly well regarded? .I don’t know much about Hale, but the Yankees have one of the best BPs in Baseball, and Britton just went on the IL. So, was this a good move? And eagleye5, are you referring to Workman? We drafted him but couldn’t sign him, in one of the Bill Giles inexplicable draft slotting moves when there was no draft slotting yet.

  66. Jim Salisbury tweets that a Workman deal is in active talks and that several players are being discussed. Stay tuned….

      1. I like Workman, and believe he would be an impactful arm out of our BP … but … in no universe would I give up Adonis Medina for him. Workman is under contract for just 39 more games. I’m not going to fork over one of our top 10 prospects for 20 innings (tops) of Brandon Workman, especially in a season where we are pretenders (not contenders).

        1. Heath Hembree is also being mentioned among targeted arms from Boston. He’s under control through 2021.

          1. I would guess Klentak is shopping Pivetta. I’ve suggested a Pivetta for Mychal Givens swap a dew times. That deal would make sense for both the Phillies and O’s.

  67. Don’t look now, but Brian Cashman likely just took advantage of a desperate Matt Klentak. Hale is another guy who throws low 90’s, and pitches to contact. Over the past 6 seasons, Hale has averaged 5.76 K’s per 9 IP. Maybe Matt Klentak sees something I don’t, but the Phillies GM just swapped a 25 YO reliever with a (yet MLB unproven) swing and miss pitch (splitter) for a 32 YO who throws like most of our other BP arms in a season where we have no chance to win anything. Hope I’m wrong about this, but I think Klentak just got taken advantage of by maybe the best GM in baseball.

    1. Sad to say…….but Matt K’s woeful attempts of building just a ‘middle of the pack’ serviceable BP have been very disappointing.
      Yesterday there was Jake th Wags pitching effectively against his former team, the Phillies …..and where is Aaron Loup these days!
      Next year Addiosn Russ will be a good BP arm for the yanks and Hale will have melted somewhere in hot weather.

  68. My Boston friend is saying Pillar or Bradley might be included, so this could be a large trade

    1. No thanks to either Pillar or Bradley. Klentak seems like a guy ready to give away whatever is left of bad farm to in an attempt to hold on to his job. Middleton ought to reign him in.

      1. Been a bit for me, hope all is good with Everyone. Hinkie, this is Spot on. At this point I don’t trust Klentak making moves that are in best interest of the Phillies, I see him making moves that are in the best interest of his career. The hot seat is melted to his arse at this point. This was a known issue heading into the season.

  69. Almost missed it with all the trade rumors but Austin Davis was DFA’d, I suppose to make room for Hale.

  70. I could see a deal for Workman and Barnes. What would be the cost? Pivetta and DLS could be in it plus a top 15 prospect like Marchan or Garcia. Hopefully not an arm like Medina or Miller.

    1. No to Marchan. He is a valuable piece for the Phillies (either as a trade chip in the future or replacing JTR in the unlikely case he walks in free agency. Boston could has knowledge of Simon Muzziotti (he was originally signed by them), and could target him.

  71. I agree Hinkie, Russ K’d 80 in 56 innings last year. A swing and miss pitch is in his arsenal. Now, that doesn’t mean it will work the same way in the Majors, but how many swing and miss guys do we have? Very few. This Hale is not one of them. Look, we needed BP help. That doesn’t mean this move was a good one.

    1. matt13…….two lefites who have K abilities…..Warren from St Augustine’s and Tenn….and Kyle Dohy

    1. Klentak knows he is on the hot seat……and that would be a terrible move .
      Workman walks in two months……I’d offer Nickey P or DLS and maybe a position prospect in the 10-15 range…….Maton/Muzziotti/Ortiz or Marchan…Bloom pronbably would dictate who he would want.
      Of course Bloom also want to let go of JBJr or Pillar who are also both FA this off-season.

    1. So Nick Pivetta’s last game in a Phillies uniform was when he got shelled in mop up duty? A fitting end to his time in Philadelphia. He seriously won’t be missed.

  72. I think klentak has done great today. Got pitchers who have had success recently in the big leagues. Russ and sebold were maybes to dream on. We currently have a bullpen full of that

    1. Not thrilled with trading an actual prospect in Seabold for a few innings of Workman. Hembree and Hale are JAGs; even though I won’t miss Pivetta I don’t think they’re good trades from a value standpoint but Klentak is trying to save his job. Plus we gave up more so Boston would send us money. It’s probably a case of too little, too late.

      1. Agree…..Seabold will be around in a Sox uni for awhile…Workman is probably gone after 38 more games.

    2. If workman leaves and Seabold who has potential pitches for boston, You still like the deal, Workman is a rental you dont give up a good prospect for a rental in a non championship drive, Come on its a 60 game season whoever wins. is winning a one third title means nothing, This G.M stinks, This owner stinks, This Club President stinks, A Incompetent G,M running a sinking ship, he will trade anyone to try to save his job, Middleton go back to selling cigars,

      1. rocco….in the voice and words from William Jefferson Clinton…..”I feel your pain”

  73. So who’s getting DFAd for Hembree?

    I’m guessing Romero and Brogdon will be sent down.

  74. With batting practice tonight, courtesy of Cole Irvin, the Phillies can’t fly the 3 new relievers to Atlanta on a Concord fast enough. And somebody give Alec Bohm a first baseman’s mitt. He can’t field any worse with no glove at all.

    1. There was a reason he was getting reps at 1B and it wasn’t just to get him in the game. He isn’t a 3rd basemen and they know it even though a lot of people on here were saying, he’ll be ok over there. This is an ugly team right now and if the new relievers aren’t any good, they’ll be no worse than what we have. Glad to see Pivetta gone. I don’t think any trade Klentak makes will be able to save him.

    1. What is more embarrassing, A owner who said he will spend who wont go over the cap to win, or this farm system build under his ownership, Or a G,M who builds a team on saber metrics, Or a Club President who is hiding in his basement? Or my gaining weight during this virus, i am trying to figure what is worst?

  75. Just when you think the Phillies couldn’t get any lower, blowing 2 leads yesterday in spectacular fashion, baseball gives yet another sucker punch which was the 5th inning of today’s game. Bohm makes 3 errors in the inning, making you wonder if he’ll get some reps in LF next spring training. As a result, all the runs Reggie McClain gives up are unearned. But wait, 2 outs left and Cole Irvin comes in to face Freeman. Irvin needs to get Freeman out. He walks him. A red hot d’Arnaud gets a single and then Ozuna tomahawks a pitch over the LF fence. These runs are earned for Irvin and his ERA blows up to 27.00. You just can’t make this stuff up.

  76. Way to go, Jo Jo.

    Three batters, three K’s.

    Who says we’ve got nothing to cheer for?

    1. Where the heck was JoJo this season? 94-97, slider, changeup? Now what’s what I call making an impression in a mop up situation.

  77. I really liked Seabold. He and Pivetta could end up being a great get for just one month of Workman, and for a team that has way more issues than today’s trades may solve.
    I get that Klentak had to do something. The bullpen is epic-ly bad. And he’s desperate. However I can’t even dream on this team going anywhere so I’m not a fan of the trades. I’d love to be wrong though.

    1. Pivetta could be the second coming of Pedro after this trade and I still wouldn’t regret losing him; even if it had just been a straight release. Sometimes you just need to cut your losses and Nick clearly wasn’t succeeding in Philadelphia. He had no trade value. None. And yet we got something for him (hard to say how much since Seabold was also included, but Boston clearly likes at least one of them quite a bit).

      Also, Workman is clearly the main piece, but Hembree isn’t chopped liver, either. Let’s not all overlook the fact that the guy has a career 3.60 ERA and 4.22 FIP in 265 IP in the AL East. I’ll gladly take that guy on arbitration for next season.

  78. Why is Cole Irvin on this team? Nothing personal maybe he is a great kid, put he cant pitch, I didnt watch the game , Too many good races from Del Mar last night,

    1. Klentak drafted him in the 5th round of 2016, in his first draft as the Phillies’ GM, and he will stick with him, by George, even if it kills him.
      Possibly, same reason Vinny has survived as a Phillie…Klentak’s first major trade in Dec 2015….and sole remaining piece from that trade
      Pivetta , otoh, was a Ruben trade with the Nats for Paps.
      Tough, Russ and Seabold were Klentak drafted players.

  79. With Nola, Wheeler, and Arrieta pitching, I thought the Phillies had a chance to win this series, especially with Acuna and Albies out.

    The true definition of a stopper is the ace’s ability to come up big after a losing streak. Nola did not do that last night. Oh, well.

  80. 2 Aces went last night, one pitched like it, Max Fried. I know you will say, “why is this guy complaining? He has been ranting about the horrible BP all year.” And, I have, and I wanted it addressed in the off season, so we could have had a shot at the Playoffs. These are panicked moves by a GM on his way out. I am not bashing Workman or Hembree, I don’t think a lot of Hale, but if Joe G wanted him, great. But these are moves you make for a Playoff run. Are we really that team? I like Addison Russ and Connor Seabold, and while I don’t miss Pivetta, I would have liked the new GM to have as much in his arsenal as possible for next year, and we now have 3 less pieces to trade to make next year’s team a Playoff contender.

  81. Strange night in baseball….virtually every favorite loss but the Dodgers and Braves.
    And I still consider the Nats a better team than the Marlins.
    And those Blue Jays , courtesy of the Phillies, are still riding high….. them and the WSox with 6 game winning streaks…

  82. With the Phillies falling out of a playoff spot quickly, what if this demented fantasy of mine became true? Now, play along with me. Indulge me. The boys go on a colossal losing streak and by this time next week, they are pretty much out of it. Management has to make a really big decision about next year.

    We pretty know that the Phils will not go over the salary/luxury cap and let’s say JTR wants so much dough that the team feels they cannot give it to him so they…decide to trade him. Change the names of the innocent to protect them. Change Ralph Kiner to JTR, Branch Rickey to MacKlen, and eighth to fifth.

    Now this is going back in history and only Moffo remembers first hand. “On June 4, 1953, Kiner was sent to the Chicago Cubs as part of a ten player trade. This was largely due to continued salary disputes with Pirate general manager Branch Rickey, who reportedly told Kiner: ‘We finished eighth witH you, we can finish eighth without you’.”

    I know that is really sick and I own to it. I want the team to resign Realmuto but if they do get him back, they’ll be right up against the cap and won’t have much to resign good BP pitchers. They tend to get into these big contracts and don’t have much left over to get the secondary players that they need to make a run at least for a playoff spot.

  83. ciada, that is not totally out of the realm of possibility, but John Middleton better move to his hideaway in Bora Bora, because his name will be mud here. My fantasy is that they don’t care about the luxury Tax, fire Klentak, assign MacPhail to scoreboard improvement duties, and bring in a real good baseball guy, who fixes the development/evaluation process that we currently have, and puts a winning team out there, while, simultaneously, building a top farm system. How’s that for a fantasy?

  84. Cicada, My exact fear about signing Realmuto. And my desire is to have a top-five farm system for ten years, one good prospect after another that pans out.

    You guys are better at this than I am. If you have 200 million dollars to spend, what is the best way to build a championship-caliber team?

    1. First find a GM who has won or worked under a good gm and knows how to scout. Tell the owner to shut up and let me do my job, Make a decision on how long it will take to rebuild, Still to your plan,

      1. rocco…currently there are probably 30 other asst GMs out there….Middleton will find it hard trying to find the exact and perfect GM for the job.
        The guy who builtt the Braves…John Coppellola is unemployed….but he is banned from baseball for cheating.
        The guy who built the Astros , Jeff Luhnow, is out there unemployed, but he also is banned from baseball for cheating.
        AJ Preller is building the Padres…..but he has been warned by MLB for cheating and covering up medical records in trades..

        What the Phillies need is a guy who cheats, but does not get caught.

      2. rocco……Joe and Matt,
        …probably not a couple together much longer if the Philies do not turn this around..
        ……two days after Joe Girardi made the post-game comment….‘I can only coach what has been given me’ or something akin to that……two trades were made by Klentak…well ahead of the normally ‘wait until midnight’ trade deadline.
        The pressure is on Matt it seems……….and probably doesn’t help that Middleton more than likely, did his best impersonation of Jerry Jones, and fired Kap and hired Joe G on his own accord….not Klentak’s.

    2. A top 5 farm system for 10 years? You’re kidding right? Who has done that?

      Here’s a list of the top 5 preseason from 2015-2019 from MLB:

      2015: Cubs, Red Sox, Twins, Pirates, Mets
      2016: Dodgers, Braves, Rangers, Rockies, Twins
      2017: Braves, Yankees, White Sox, Padres, Brewers
      2018: Padres, Braves, White Sox, Rays, Phillies
      2019: Padres, Rays, Braves, White Sox, Blue Jays

      I must admit, the Braves have been pretty close. They have probably been the closest to having a good farm system AND having their share of prospects hit AND being able to spend some cash here and there.

      The Padres and White Sox have had their share of losing seasons. The Rays are small market, so they have to get prospects in order to survive.

  85. One GM candidate I would be interested in us former Brave Director J.J. Piccollo. Sound baseball guy and GM in training with the Royals.

  86. When the Cubs won the World Series, they traded for Aroldis Chapman, a rental, for four players which included Billy McKinney and….Gleyber Torres. That winter, Chapman resigned with the Yankees as a free agent.

    If Realmuto is going to test the market waters, the Phillies have just as much chance signing him as a free agent as does any other team. And I think, because JTR was traded before free agency, a 2nd round pick would not be included.

  87. Workman, Hembree, Hale, Haseley activated, Irwin, Brogdon sent down, Bruce to IL & Guerra DFA’d……more to come.

  88. Whoever is Klentak’s replacement, Middleton himself should hire him, not the team president, even if MacPhail is still around….is he still around? Anyway, the Phillies need to look hard at the front office lieutenants in Tampa, LAD, St Louis, maybe even Oakland. Pick someone from an organization that has a clue as to what they are doing. Internally, I’m not sure how high Johnny Cigars is on Josh Bonifay, since he came from Houston (hopefully BEFORE you know what happened). Let the speculation commence….

    1. I’m not sure I want Middleton to hire the GM directly. He had to have Andy McPhail as team president, which in turn led to Matt Klentak. To me, there is no quick fix, other than successfully identifying players that you believe you can move forward with, and trying to move everyone else for potential future pieces.

    1. Thanks Patso you made me remember how i blew that race, i bet the 4 on top the halladay and lost the race by a nose,

      1. Hey with soft turf no way I thought Halladay front running would hold up. Weird meet for favorites as usual except for the LAW

  89. I have to stay off Twitter tonight, most of the baseball ppl are talking some rookie in Florida averaging 99.8 mph on his fastball w movement.

  90. Hector is in a bad place right now. He has never had the best command of his fastball. But his splitter just doesn’t have the late break like in previous years and it’s flattening out or breaking too early. As a result, he’s walking too many people and he can’t rely on his fastball because now people are sitting on it.

  91. Wow, now Workman blows it too.

    I guess the only consolation is that there is absolutely no way Klentak doesn’t get canned after this season.

  92. It seems every season I say this, but there needs to be a team meeting with chairs getting thrown around. This is just embarrassing for a 200M payroll. It’s gut check time now. There is still time to make a move in the standings but it has to start tomorrow. They absolutely have to win tomorrow, no excuses.

  93. How pathetic! How about we just look at who we can draft? Joe G does not get kudos tonight for bringing in Neris. He stinks lately. What a disaster.

  94. Joe G. Looks shell shocked! I actually feel bad for him. I feel worse for us, the fans. Who I don’t feel sorry for is Middleton, MacPhail and Klentak.

  95. I looked at Workman’s career stats last night. Yes, his numbers were fantastic last year (except 45 bb in 71.2 ip). However, he’d never had a season K>IP until last year. Never a whip < 1.21 until last yr.
    This year he was not off to a sparkling start (1.80 whip, 4 bb in 6.2 ip).
    Hopefully tonight is just emotions or exhaustion from the change.
    Otherwise I guess we keep riding the bullpen to a high draft pick.

  96. At one time, a few years ago, Hector Neris was a very effective setup man. Then, he was given the closer job by default since Klentak decided with a spread sheet not to find a legitimate one. Now, Workman is acquired and Neris reassumes the 8th inning again? Pitchers are notoriously fragile, mentally. Neris has run his course in Philadelphia. Time to move him along, despite the fact that beggars can’t be choosers in this case. Workman may be better than whatever is already here, but these bullpen additions are little more than evidence of last ditch desperation by the soon-to-be-gone GM. Wheeler’s gem last night was literally wasted by the incompetence of one man, not the (un)proven arms he’s assembled the past 5 years. And you can chalk up the 2020 season as the next, bigger casualty.

    1. The worst part is that Klentak is a significantly better GM than Elton Brand who, in a year and a half has managed to: dissipate all the team’s draft assets, hit the salary cap and simultaneously made the team MUCH worse. It’s utterly unfathomable. Klentak is no prize, but he’s a regular Branch Rickey compared to Brand (who had a healthy assist from the arrogant and also incompetent Brian Colangelo).

      1. I said the other day that these two franchises may the right decision to bottom out but screwed up the rebuild. The Sixers are worse off since they are capped out.

  97. Catch so true the sixers could have been great if they didnt have two bad gm and a bad coach, Draft picks and they blew them, now they have no money to spend they are done,

    1. rocco…I lay a lot of the blame on Adam Silver and the NBA along with Josh Harris for going along with that nonsense …they forced Harris to move Hinkie out, because of his ‘tanking’ philosophy…..and bring in Jerry Colangelo and who in turned gave the reigns over to his son, Brian…..who began the ‘termination of the process’…remember the Markell Faultz saga and trade with the Celtics.

      Hinkie deserved better.

      1. Yes, many people are to blame and Silver and Harris are at the top. After Colangelo resigned in disgrace, Harris/ownership insisted on keeping all his assistants in place, ensuring that no truly qualified GM would be interested. And they’re all still here, for the most part. Brett Brown’s time has sadly come to an end but what they really need is to clean out the front office.

    2. Bad chemistry on that 76’s team..I can’t tell if the players hate each other… The players hate the coach or everyone hates everybody..

    1. i Like a player who can hit and field or a pitcher, who can go the distance, cause our bullpen stinks,

      1. Romus you okay? i knew Fabian he lived around the corner from me, He was a lot older than me, but i never knew he played baseball.?

  98. This team is so frustrating. I am glad that the wife asked to watch something else in the 7th inning. I missed the misery LIVE. Much easier to take reading after it. The kick in the nuts is sanchez debut, his stuff looks nasty. Luckily the nats were able to hit him.

    This team is in a very bad position if they cannot contend for the division with what they got. My fear is about to come to fruition. The Phillies has rebuilt, they just haven’t rebuilt better than the Braves, Mets, & likely they Marlins. It’s pretty amazing how close this is to being a dumpster fire. Other than Nola, they have not developed 1 core piece worth building around. That failure has resulted in a maxed payroll & little trade chips. This team needs a snakeoil salesman to come in an make good to great trades. For example, Klentak neeeds to flip Workman and the others he just got for better prospects than he gave up. As you can guess, I’m not holding my breath.

    1. Having to sign McCutchen was a glaring failure. How did no OF prospects develop to make that move uneccesary? Now Mccutecnh is great is have, but from what they had in the system, he should not have been needed. To me this was the biggest failure of the rebuild. Maybe it was needed to sign Harper, to convince him to sign, but it is pretty crazy that o it of Williams, altherr, Haslely, Quinn, Moniak, Cornelius, and others … that they couldn’t starve this signing off.

      Segura has been a major disappointment for me. He was an MVP caliber player not long ago, his bat is far behind were he was projected to be.

      Kingery and Hoskins – both looking like complete busts, for players that can be built around. Hopefully it is temporary slumps but my gut is tellminh me: this is what they are : AAAA Players.

      Nola,Wheeler, Harper, Realmuto, Howard & Bohm. Literally everyone else is available … and not even the expos would Trade for
      Those players

  99. They didn’t develop Nola, he came ready made, only spent 1 1/2 years in the minors A+ — AAA.

    1. That is somewhat of a fair point, as at one time they coaching staff messed him up as well for a good stretch. His ace like/level will only last so long, the Phillies need to start winning to ride that arm in the playoffs. It looks like a great 1-2 punch with wheeler right now. That is of course if they can both pitch CG 🙂

      1. Yeah, it is sure a sad state of affairs. That is undeniable, I don’t think they are in any better shape than when they started the rebuild years ago.

  100. I think we are in better shape now, but MacPhail snd Klentak need to go. A fresh set of eyes need to be brought in. JTR needs to be signed to a LTC. He and Bryce, Nola and Wheeler are a good start. The luxury tax restrictions need to be forgotten. Someone needs to decide what is wrong with Hoskins and Kingery. And decide if Bohm can be made into a 3B. Hi Joe’s git Bloom isn’t available. Andrew Friedman and Theo Epstein have jobs. We need to find the next one.

    1. With Arrieta, Didi, Bruce, maybe Neris and ???. How much extra money will we have available next year?

        1. Re: Arrieta… Your comment that it “will be tricky” has me concerned. The Spotrac link shows ‘21, ‘22 in red. Those are team options that we’ll just not exercise right?

  101. Hey PP! It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but hopefully some of you long-timers recognize my handle. I’m reaching out because I’ve written a historical novel about Babe Ruth and the 1920 American League season. I’m putting together a list of readers interested in reading the book prior to its Sept. 29 release and posting an honest review on Amazon. If you’re interested, I’ll send you a free digital copy of the book by the week’s end.

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    Thanks! As a follow-up, I’m planning a horror novel about the Phillies bullpen. 🙂

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  102. I noticed today that Brandon Leibrandt debuted for the Marlins. He went 2 scoreless innings allowing one hit and one walk while striking out one versus the Nats.

  103. Krams posted today on his website….., from the alternate site at LHV….
    “…… televised by our friends at Service Electric, on TV-2 Sports (502 HD). I believe the Phillies are the only team having their scrimmages on TV, which does allow for some additional exposure when it comes to trades–but also makes it harder to hide anything….”.

  104. Man, Bohm can seriously hit. That HR to center was a thing of beauty. And he looks to go to RF which is great for a young hitter.

    That said, he’s not looking that great at 3B. I still believe that he’s going to be the starting 3B in 2021, but unless he gets better with his glove, he won’t be the starting 3B in 2022.

      1. That is tough. I think Hoskins has slightly improved this season, although his dWar says otherwise. Hoskins has terrible range, and he’s not the greatest picking balls out of the dirt.

        To play 3B, you need quick reflexes and soft hands. I’m not seeing any of that from Bohm this season and certainly not from today’s game. He just turned 24 so he’s still young, and I think his bat can stay at 3B. All he has to do is be league average at 3B with the glove. But he needs to improve in the offseason.

        To answer your question, it’s a coin flip between those 2.

      1. rocco…that may be wishful thinking. Phillies may have to live with a 45 fielder over there…maybe 50 someday.
        It is not like he is new at third…..since junior year in HS he has been there, so he has plenty experience at third. He just may be too big with slower than average quickness when compared to the normal MLB third baseman. Reminds me somewhat of Troy Glaus.

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