Phuture Phillies 2020 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #21 Prospect

Kendall Simmons was selected as the organization’s #20 prospect.  He received 26 of the 154 votes cast (17%).  Deivi Grullon finished second receiving 21 votes each (14%).  Kyle Young received 14 votes.  Mauricio Llovera received 13 votes.  And, Matt Vierling received 11 votes.

Starlyn Castillo and Jhailyn Ortiz received 9 votes each.  Cole Irvin received 7 votes.

Christopher Sanchez, Luke LeftwichConnor Brogdon, and Josh Stephen, received 5 votes each.

Addison Russ received 4 votes.  Bailey Falter and Colton Eastman received 3 votes each.

Andrew Schultz and Ben Pelletier received 2 votes each.

David ParkinsonKyle Glogoski, Austin Listi, Darick Hall, Dominic Pipkin, Jonathan Guzman, Guarner DipreCornelius RandolphRixon Wingrove, and Jamari Baylor received 1 vote each.

Results, so far –

  1. Alec Bohm
  2. Spencer Howard
  3. Bryson Stott
  4. Erik Miller
  5. Mickey Moniak
  6. Francisco Morales
  7. Connor Seabold
  8. Ethan Lindow
  9. Adonis Medina
  10. Luis Garcia
  11. JoJo Romero
  12. Simon Muzziotti
  13. Rafael Marchan
  14. Damon Jones
  15. Johan Rojas
  16. Logan O’Hoppe
  17. Enyel De Los Santos
  18. Nick Maton
  19. Kevin Gowdy
  20. Kendall Simmons

The total prospects on the ballot is forty-four.

47 thoughts on “Phuture Phillies 2020 Reader Top 30 Poll for the Phillies #21 Prospect

  1. I voted for Irvin and it looks like he’ll be the last guy I get to vote for in this poll. I went to Grullon’s MiLB page and found his first name is spelled differently than I’ve been spelling it and even how Jim’s been spelling it. On the MiLB page he’s listed as Deivy. It has a “y” on the end instead of the “I” that I’ve been using. On the transactions section of the page, it was Deivi until 2018 and then started to show up as Deivy. It wasn’t firmly Deivy until last year. In any event, Grullon was my #20 on my list. but I have 3 other guys ahead of him, that I would vote for first including Irvin.

    1. My problem with Cole Irvin is that he just did absolutely nothing to distinguish himself last year or show hints of being anything but the mop up man on a major league staff. I didn’t see anything special in his stuff or command. He was just kinda there. Maybe some of this changes going forward (it was his first MLB try after all), but I am pretty down on him at this point.

    2. @bellman – Irvin’s advantage above the rest is that he is a MLB ready SP (though a back end one) but when given the chance, he blew it. Irvin pitched better with improved stuff as a lefty RP which lowers his value. And a RP without a plus pitch like Irvin, normally have value at all.

  2. I voted for Schulze but missed Llovera’s name on the ballot – if I had to vote again, I’d vote for Llovera, followed by Grullon, Shulze and Ortiz. All are defensible picks at 21.

    1. Sometimes we overlook our own prospects for various reasons but Grullon really had a fine year in AAA last year for an age 23 catching prospect.

  3. Darick Hall for me at this spot.
    Also…Parkinson vs Irvin…..looking at their respective age seasons at Reading…..Parkinson with the more favorable FIP…by a little more than one whole run unit.

  4. I am the other Irvin voter. I think, as I’ve said before, he plays in the Major Leagues and has a career, and I am not sure of some of the others who have been voted ahead of him.

  5. I’m going Grullon. He had an .851 OPS as a 23-year-old catcher in AAA. And reports on his defense have been good (or at least, the potential for good defense is there, I believe).

  6. The bottom third of the rankings is where I expect a lot of variability from Starlyn Castillo and Dom Pipkin (high risk high ceiling arm) to Llovera (MLB ready arm with plus FB to Jabari Baylor (high upside) to MLB ready bench guys Vierling/Grullon/Hall – anybody is possible.

  7. Not sure who to vote for…leaning towards the high risk/ upside guys. How about Christopher Sanchez? Left-handed pitcher with mid-nineties fastball.

    1. I went with Sanchez despite not knowing much about him but that write up on him the other day sounded very interesting and gave me hope that if we have a much better pitching coach maybe they can work with him. Plus I think TB is one of the better teams at scouting in the MLB.

  8. I went with Brogdon (again) here. His proximity and the anticipation of him possibly contributing in the Show this season make him at least a top 25 prospect. Whatever the guidelines say, Irvin to me is really no longer a prospect, much like DLS, due to their arrival in the big leagues.

    1. ….hold the phone! I made that selection assuming to my tired mind that Jhailyn Ortiz was already voted in. He’s not. Well, tomorrow I’ll resume picking Ortiz. Then Brogdon.

      1. ….and that’s after another ballot stuffing investigation. I liked Vierling a year ago but his stock plummeted in 2019. I don’t see any comments supporting him this high in the rankings. Hmm…..

    2. I like Brogdon as well just wasn’t sure when to start voting him since he’s in the pen. I hope to see him with the Phils this year. I don’t know what to make of Irvin, really wasn’t impressed with him in the majors at all. Ortiz is a tough one as it’s hard to vote for someone that struggles to hit imo but that power. When I saw him in person when he was with Lakewood I was surprised at how quick he was for someone that heavy. If he could just figure out pitch recognition that would be huge for our system.

  9. Darick Hall blasting one vs Yankees’ ace Luis Severino last Sept.
    How can someone not like this guy! 🙂

    1. Well, he was a 23 year-old first baseman in AA who hit .235 with an OPS under .800 – hardly a ringing endorsement for his future. I mean, I wish him well and hope he succeeds, but he was no statistical juggernaut last year.

  10. Great to see another “Friends and Family” edition of the poll. 😦
    May as well just crown Matt Vierling #21 now, and start the voting for #22 ASAP.

    1. Yeah, if Vierling had finished the year the way he started, this could have been a good spot for him. There is no chatter on here about him so that says to me that there has been ballot stuffing, but whatever, it’s a blog list not the HOF, so he’ll be voted in and we move on. I voted for Grullon slightly above Lllovera, but, to me those are clearly the best two guys left on the list.

  11. As i mentioned yesterday, I was torn between Simmons’ talent and Grullon’s proximity. With Simmons the selectee, I am no longer torn. Grullon showed last year that he can hit at AAA. He remains a plus defensive catcher with potential for more, from all accounts. And he’s CLOSE.

    As for Vierling, I agree with those who think his sudden popularity is suspicious. I liked him last year and was disappointed to see him level out. I’ll be cheering him on, but, realistically, he doesn’t belong at this point in the rankings.

    Romus, school me: Why Darick Hall over Jhailyn Ortiz? Darick looks like not-so-high ceiling and Ortiz looks like boom or bust. I side with bust having seen enough of him in person to suffer a quasi-informed opinion, but the boom potential has me thinking he needs to be ranked now in the Top 30.

    1. Frank…..why Hall in the 20s?
      His 2019 EL stats were pretty good in a league were the best BA was .297 to lead the league…..was it pitching that was superior or just plain overall weak hitters? Who knows.:
      The Pluses for Hall
      OPS -.798-.4th in the EL…..SLG.-.454-.3rd in the EL……OBP.- .344-.12th
      BBs.(11%–9th)- 60-.5th raw BBs……..HBP – 17-..1st….TB – 207-.1st
      RBIs -67-.4th………..HRs – 20–3rd……….2B – 38- 1st
      ISO – .219- 2nd……ABs – 456-.11th………PAs -535-.8th
      Hits – 107-.21st
      wRC+ – 133….4th
      BABIP- .286…42nd
      Age…32nd youngest
      ——————————–
      The Negatives:
      Ks – 134(25%–15th)…..6th raw Ks
      BA – .235…..48th
      Splits..home ( .274/.384/.553 )….and away (196/.303/.357)…though away splits with the wide disparity between BA and OBP…pitchers pitched around him and walked him often…and at the same time he was not patient, chased a lot of pitches with his aggressiveness.

        1. Good call on that one, DMAR. Power hitting 1b of today, for some reason, aren’t valued like the Stargells and McCoveys of their day. Or even the Giambis and Fielders.

          1. I agree and believe WAR doesn’t properly measure the value of a great hitting first baseman or DH. It’s taken me a long time to try to articulate why it bothers me and why I think it’s wrong (or subject to debate) but I think I have a decent idea of that now.

            I think the way you need to look at this sometimes is to try to determine the actual runs created by a hitter regardless of his position and not always tie this in to league or replacement average for the position. The lesson that people take from WAR (let’s assume the WAR numbers are accurate for the sake of discussion, and not fight over that – and I realize that’s a big issue in and of itself) is that you should pay a player based on the number of WAR that player produces which is tied into the replacement player for that position. So, if you believe a WAR is worth $ 6 million, then you would pay a 3 WAR first baseman $18 million.

            But I’m not sure that’s the best way to look at it and here’s why. Let’s say a WAR equals 7.5 runs. But let’s look at it another way. Let’s say a replacement DH generates 22.5 more runs than a replacement player across all positions. If you look at it this way, then your replacement DH is generating more 3 more wins than a typical replacement player. As such, you can make a pretty good argument that a replacement DH inherently produces more value than a replacement player at other positions and is therefore more valuable to begin with. So when a guy like David Ortiz is producing a 6 WAR DH season, he’s actually producing 9 WAR or wins above an average offensive player. In other words, you could argue that WAR depresses the inherent value (runs created) of a player at a high offensive position because the baseline offensive production at the position is much higher.

            I am sure that, if I had a little more time, I could articulate this principle in a more compelling way but that’s why I think that WAR doesn’t necessarily reflect the value of a great hitting first baseman or DH.

            1. One other point. I should not have used salary as a means of comparison because that takes into effect supply and demand and there’s always a more ready supply of DHs and first basemen. What I’m talking about is how many runs a player produces or saves above a typical player and I think WAR discounts the underlying value producing capabilities of a DH or first baseman.

            2. Difficult to compare WAR from a DH to a 1st basemen or foer that matter any positional player, starting with catchers and shortstops….because of the defensive aspect. You have to factor that into the equation somehow..

            3. Yup, I agree, but I still believe the WAR numbers undersell great hitters and marginal fielding positions because it dings these players heavily on defense yet also penalizes them (relatively speaking) for the higher hitting baseline.

            4. Yes…agree, I can see that.
              The two positions that come to mind are LF and 1st base.
              I looked at Ketih Hernandez and his overall defensive WAR fro his career….1.3…a guy with 11 Gold Gloves.
              He was negative dWAR for his last four years….with two Gold Gloves….go figure..

            5. Romus, I believe gold gloves are voted for by the players and has less to do with the player’s actual defensive excellence and more his reputation and even his offensive production. Bobby Abreu won a gold glove and he was allergic to the dirt on warning tracks.

            6. I watched Keith Hernandez play almost every day (those around here for a while know my dark secret – I grew up outside of NYC as a Mets fan, but have long been among the converted) and he was positively amazing. As I watched him play there was zero doubt in my mind that he was a HOFer. He controlled the entire game from first base – it was not to be believed – and the plays he made on the field were staggering. FYI – even with his low dWAR rating he is still a 60 WAR player, which tells you everything you need to know and, again, even with that his abilities were still undersold because he coached the pitcher and other players throughout the game and made huge contributions in that way that I’ve never seen equaled by another player.

            7. FYI – Keith Hernandez did not win gold gloves for his hitting like Abreu – he was a superb first baseman – the numbers do not in any way match up with the eye test.

            8. 8mark…my point…WAR devalues the first baseman, as it does the LFer/RFer when compared to the other positions. The scale is something that has a positional adjustment to this affect:
              +12.5 for a catcher, −12.5 for a first baseman, +2.5 for a second or third baseman, +7.5 for a shortstop, −7.5 for a LFer and RFer, +2.5 for a CFer and −17.5 for a designated hitter.

              Check out this list of first basemen and their dWAR……look at the bottom 15/20….a few HoFers on it
              https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_1B.shtml

        2. DMAR…exactly….he is a one position and mostly one tool hitter.
          KLaw says….” a one trick pony’….but as first basemen go…that is the most important trick. And he does play a decent defensive first baseman.
          There may a team out there who right now are at the bottom of the league, who may take a chance on him, ie Tigers, Mariners, Os or Royals.

          1. The Tigers, Mariners, O’s, Royals, or any other team could have picked Hall in the rule 5 draft a few weeks ago. They didn’t. That pretty much says all you need to know.

            1. Not really….they may have valued other players.
              In fact they valued pitchers over positional players:

              Tigers — Rony Garcia, RHP (Yankees)
              Orioles — Brandon Bailey, RHP (Astros)
              Royals — Stephen Woods, Jr. RHP (Rays)
              Mariners — Yohan Ramirez, RHP (Astros)

              When and if he gets released by the Phillies….he will be signed by someone.

            2. Romus … I didn’t read anything in your prior post(s) about Hall being of interest if he was released by the Phillies. I assumed you meant another organization actually giving up something (another player or prospect/J2 money/comp draft pick) for him.
              Yes. If he was available for free and didn’t require a 40 man spot, another club would sign him. There are a lot of guys (young and old) who would fit that description.

            3. Correct.
              His trade value is virtually nil at this point….I can only see him being traded as part of a larger package.
              However, if he gets released after this season…depending on what he does at LHV…..I can see one of those lesser rebuilding teams taking a flyer on him and signing him onto their 40.

      1. Romus, Thanks. Hall’s OBP and wRC+ certainly are impressive and I really hadn’t thought about his age, just sort of figuring a college guy was about the level he should have been.

        I still look at Ortiz and dream on his power bat but maybe that’s more hope than evaluation.

        Still uncertain who get my next vote after Grullon.

  12. Vierling’s performance doesn’t merit a Top 30 selection. He put up a 87 wRC+ in the Florida State League in 2019 as a 22-year-old.

    Based on performance he should repeat A+ in 2020.

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