Box Score Recap – 5/19/2017

Lehigh Valley won in ten innings on Jorge Alfaro’s RBI single.

Reading won in ten innngs on a Scott Kingery walk off HR.

Clearwater suspended in the third trailing 3-0, but at least Lakeland burned the league’s best pitcher before completion of the game in a double header Saturday..

Lakewood fell behind by two runs in the first inning and could only get one back..

Lehigh Valley (27-14) came back to beat Syracuse, 3-2 in ten innings.

Jake Thompson pitched 5.0 innings and gave up 2 runs (only one earned) on 6 hits and 2 walks.  He struck out five.  Four relievers shut out the Chiefs the rest of the way with Pat Venditte (4-0, 0.00) getting the win and Pedro Beato (1.77) picking up his 12th save.  Casey Fien (0.00) struck out 3 in 2.0 innings.  Colton Murrray (3.75) struck out 2 in 1.0 inning.

The IronPigs tied the game with 2 runs in the sixth inning on an RBI ground out by Rhys Hoskins and an RBI single by Nick Williams.  The score remained knotted until Hector Gomez (.194) tripled to open the tenth inning.  Jorge Alfaro brought him home with a two-out, RBI single.

The IronPigs committed 2 errors.  Thompson’s throwing error on a sacrifice contributed to the unearned run he allowed.  Roman Quinn and Williams added outfield assists.

  • #1 Crawford (.187): 1-4 with a run scored, BB, K
  • #3 Alfaro (.293): 2-5 with a run scored, RBI (20)
  • #4 Williams (.261): 1-4 with an RBI (14)
  • #6 Quinn (.278): 0-3 with a 2 BB, 2 K
  • #9 Cozens (.212): 1-5 with a K
  • #12 Pivetta (2-0, 0.69): DNP
  • #13 Hoskins (.333): 0-4 with an RBI (36), K
  • #17 Pinto (3-3, 5.85): DNP
  • #20 Appel (2-2, 6.69): DNP
  • #25 Lively (5-1, 3.19): DNP
  • #30 Valentin (.229): 7-day DL

Reading (23-13) took a 6-2 lead with a 5-run fourth only to see the the game tied over the next two innings.  The game remain tied until Scott Kingery opened the tenth with a solo blast (11).

Brandon Leibrandt pitched into the sixth inning.  His line was 5.1 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 3 K. He left with a two-run lead and a runner on first.  Yacksel Rios (1.90) immediately allowed the inherited runner to score on a WP followed by a double.  Then he blew the save with another RBI hit.  Miguel Nunez (1.62) and Jesen Therrien (2-1, 1.18) combined to pitch 3.1 scoreless inning.  Therrien got the win.

The Phils scored a run in the third inning to cut an early 2-run deficit in half on Osmel Aguila’s sacrifice fly.  Then they played long ball.  Kyle Martin tied the game in the 5-run fourth with a lead off HR (7).  Kingery followed 2 batters later with a 2-run shot (10)to give the Phils the lead.  They picked up a run on a double play.  Aguila finished the inning with a solo HR (2).  The Phils colleted 2 singles and 4 walks over the next 5 innings, but the score remained the same until Kingery’s heroics (11) in the tenth.

Leibrandt picked two runners off first base.  Aguila picked up an outfield assist (home).

  • #11 Kingery (.280): 2-6 with 2 runs scored, 2 HR (11), 3 RBI (25)
  • #18: El. Garcia: Restricted List,  80-Game suspension
  • #22 Anderson (3-0, 4.67): DNP
  • #23: Arano: 7-Day DL
  • #24 Tocci (.328): 1-3 with 2 BB
  • #28 Canelo (.312): 3-5 with 2 runs scored, a double, K
  • Pullin (.343): 1-4 with a BB
  • Tromp (.259): 0-4 with a BB

Clearwater (22-19) suspended in the top of the third inning with one out, runners on the corners, and 2 runs across.  The game will be completed as a nine inning game Saturday at 5:00 PM.  The regularly scheduled game will be played afterward as a 7-inning game.  The Saturday game was going to be a bullpen game with Edgar Garcia getting the start.  With 6.2 innings left in the suspended game, the bullpen looks like it’s in for a long evening.  I expect that Harold Arauz (a starter last year and PP’s #13 prospect) might see some extended time tomorrow.

Blake Quinn started and gave up 3 runs on 7 hits and a walk.  He struck out three,  But, he is responsible for the two runners on base when we continue tomorrow.

The Threshers had managed a walk in their two innings of batting.  Herlis Rodriguez was erased on a first-pitch double play off the bat of Deivi Grullon.  The silver lining here is that the Tigers’ starting pitcher is probably done for the series.  Beau Burrows is leading FSL starting pitchers in most statistical categories.  Detroit’s 1st round pick in 2015 and #3 prospect, Burrows has a 1.18 ERA, 8 K and 47 K in 45.2 IP.

Jose Pujols picked up an outfield assist.

  • # 5 Kilome (2-2, 3.98): DNP
  • #10 Randolph (.186): 0-1
  • #27 Ed. Garcia (1-0, 3.45): DNP
  • #29 Pujols (.173): 0-1 with a K

Lakewood (22-19) lost to Hagerstown, 4-3.

Adonis Medina gave up 4 runs in the first after the offense handed him a 2-0 lead.  When they could only add one more run, Medina took the loss.  He pitched 5.2 innings and allowed the 4 earned runs on 3 hits, a walk, and a hit batter.  He struck out five.  After allowing a two-out HR in the first inning, Medina retired 18 consecutive batters and was relieved after a two-out walk in the sixth.  He had thrown 96 pitches at that point.

Tyler Hallead (0.00) entered and pitched 2.1 scoreless innings allowing one hit and striking out one batter.

The BlueClaws score two runs in the first inning.  Mickey Moniak and Darrick Hall stroked two-out singles and were chased home on Henri Lartigue’s triple.  David Martinelli pulled the ‘Claws within one run with a solo HR (1) in the second inning.  The BlueClaws were held to 2 singles and a walk the rest of the way.

  • #2 Moniak (.274): 1-4 with a run scored
  • #7 Sanchez (1-2, 3.70): DNP
  • #16 Medina (1-2, 2.03): DNP
  • #19 Brito (.263): 1-4 with a K
  • #26 Romero (2-1, 2.11): DNP

Williamsport (0-0) – first game on Monday, June 19th at State College.

  • #8 Gowdy
  • #15 Stobbe
  • #21 Ortiz

GCL Phillies (0-0) – first game on Monday, June 26th v. Yankees West.

DSL Phillies (0-0) – first game on Saturday, June 3rd.

DSL Phillies2 (0-0) – first game on Saturday, June 3rd.

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Transactions (and paper moves)

  • 5/19 – Phillies recalled Adam Morgan from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/19 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/18 – Phillies optioned RHP Nick Pivetta to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/16 – Reading Fightin Phils activated 3B Harold Martinez from the 7-day DL.
  • 5/16 – Austin Davis assigned to Reading Fightin Phils from Clearwater Threshers.
  • 5/16 – Harold Arauz assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Lakewood BlueClaws.
  • 5/16 – Brandon Leibrandt assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/16 – Tyler Hallead assigned to Lakewood BlueClaws from Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 5/16 – Tom Windle assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Reading Fightin Phils.
  • 5/15 – Seranthony Dominguez assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters from Clearwater Threshers
  • 5/15 – Jose Taveras assigned to Clearwater Threshers from Williamsport Crosscutters
  • 5/15 – Lehigh Valley IronPigs released LHP Wander Perez (0-0, 5.63).
  • 5/15 – Phillies optioned Ben Lively to Lehigh Valley IronPigs.
  • 5/14 – Phillies recalled Ben Lively from Lehigh Valley IronPigs.

87 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 5/19/2017

  1. I know that Moniak is young, I get that but he was also the 1st overall pick in the draft and he seems to be completely average. The comp that every one seems to lump him with is Yelich who absolutely tore up the minor leagues, I just don’t see that with Moniak. Mark me as one who feels it was a bad pick . . . I really hope I am wrong. Again, I know this is EXTREMELY early.

    1. I wasn’t even looking at the power numbers but the overall numbers . . . Yelich raked from day 1 . . . IMO a first overall pick shouldn’t have to grow into much (power I get, yes) but I would hope the first overall pick would do better than he is doing. I know this isn’t a popular opinion and I know it’s early but I just don’t think he’s going to ever been what a 1-1 should be. BTW that isn’t on him, he didn’t pick himself 1-1.

  2. I’ll refer you to BAs prospect hot sheet chat yesterday with Kyle Glaser. He thinks that by the time Moniak is 21 (that’s 2 yrs) he’ll grow into his power and become a more formidable player. Yelich didn’t reach double figures in HRs until his 4th season.

  3. David Martinelli, the former 6th round pick in the 2016 draft, has been terrible. He received a $312K bonus and is hitting .125/.171/.236. In Wmsprt last year, he was mediocre. He’s 22 y/o so he’s not young. He only has 289 pro ABs and I’m not saying release the guy yet, but he better start showing something soon. His HR yesterday is a start. He appears to be solid defensively. I’ll give him that. 1 Error and 9 assists in his 78 games. Before the draft, he was rated #166 by BA and #74 by MLB. He looked like a solid 6th round pick but he hasn’t clicked into pro mode yet.

    1. On that note . . . aside from Scott Kingery – who could justify the 2015 draft all by himself, the rest of that draft (which was done by the current draft team) is looking very bad so far. I am encouraged generally by 2016, but 2015 may be as bad as many of the Marti drafts that were widely panned with lots of soft tossing pitchers and outfielders with no power. Yuck.

      1. Oddly…the 924th pick in that draft could turn out to be one of the gems, outside Kingery, for that Phillies draft…Nick Fanti

      2. Incidentally for the record….Marti Wolever was let go in October, 2014. Nola in ’14 was his last first round selection.
        Johnny Almaraz headed up the 2015 draft.

        1. Yes, the fact that 2015 was in the new draft team and not Marti is the point of my post. Fanti is a nice story so far but it’s far from clear that he can contribute at the big league level which is how I evaluate drafts

          1. But evaluating drafts is an odd exercise. As much as I criticized Marti’s 2014 draft as a complete sell-out (whether it was because of instructions from management who was desperate or a last-minute attempt to save his job, all of the top picks for like 20 rounds were college players – something he NEVER did before), if Nola becomes a 2/3 (which I still think is very possible) and Hoskins becomes a long-term first division regular (again, quite possible), it will be a fine draft even if nobody else contributes.

            When you look at the Phillies’ drafts and their player development over the last 10-15 years, you think one thing – thank God for Sal Agostinelli and his staff – who always produced more and better players with few bonus dollars and resources. They are the team’s big development engine.

            The jury is still very much out on Almaraz. Scotty could save what otherwise is looking like a very bad 2015 draft. The 2016 early draft returns are intriguing. 2017 could tell us a lot about whether he is talented at picking players. Right now, it’s a mixed bag.

          2. But evaluating drafts is an odd exercise. As much as I criticized Marti’s 2014 draft as a complete sell-out (whether it was because of instructions from management who was desperate or a last-minute attempt to save his job, all of the top picks for like 20 rounds were college players – something he NEVER did before), if Nola becomes a 2/3 (which I still think is very possible) and Hoskins becomes a long-term first division regular (again, quite possible), it will be a fine draft even if nobody else contributes.

          3. When you look at the Phillies’ drafts and their player development over the last 10-15 years, you think one thing – thank God for Sal Agostinelli and his staff – who always produced more and better players with few bonus dollars and resources. They are the team’s big development engine.

            The jury is still very much out on Almaraz. Scotty could save what otherwise is looking like a very bad 2015 draft. The 2016 early draft returns are intriguing. 2017 could tell us a lot about whether he is talented at picking players. Right now, it’s a mixed bag.

      3. That mix of soft-tossing pitchers includes three HS LHPs, so I’m not ready to commit to that label yet. Josh Tobias was a good pick in round 10.

    2. After the draft, Martinelli was seen as a possible steal; a guy who fell to the 6th round but arguably could have gone 2-3 rounds higher. Iirc, there were questions about his ability to hit with wood bats. Well, question answered I think.

  4. Hellickson and Nava both left the game last night injured.

    1) When was the last time a player said he felt fine afterward and DIDN’T go on the DL?

    2) Who gets the call up now?

    Somebody at Lehigh is soon gonna have to make room for Kingery and Pullin.

    1. This year, when Hellickson left a game and made his next start – it happens all the time.

  5. Aside from Hoskins and Kingery everyone seems to have regressed a bit this year.

    1. No, not really. Pullin is doing great. Quinn has really done just fine. Alfaro has done what he has always done. Pivetta looks interesting and should go back to AAA for continued development. Cozens has done really well recently. Sixto has done fine. Before he got hurt Seranthony was great. Moniak has hung in there. I’d say, overall, it’s gone just fine.

      1. I suppose Tocci would be another guy having a good year. In general, I think more prospects than not are under performing versus expectations.

    1. Roc- AAA will be an even bigger test for Pullin than it is for most. He crushes FBs and has a terrible time with off speed or at least from what I saw watching him play (however it was confirmed by clearwaters radio team who said the same thing). It will def be interesting to see him against more polished pitching.

  6. People are going to look at Kingery’s HR production and say, “Reading Effect.” But five of his 11 HR have been hit on the road.

    Were there any reports suggesting this kind of power in his bat coming out of college? I don’t recall if there were.

    1. No, he went home from last year with a plan to get stronger and drive the ball better. This kid is motivated and hard-working beyond belief. He changed himself to become a power hitter. He’s a great fielder. He’s a GREAT baserunner. He has good plate discipline. In my view, he’s one of the top 30-40 prospects in baseball regardless of what the publications say. If his hit tool is legit, he has a chance to be a rock-star player – an all-star type second baseman for a decade.

        1. Not yet! How I feel about Kingery takes away nothing about how I feel about Cesar. It’s a “good” problem to have.

      1. He literally taught himself to use a better swing plane. That’s pretty awesome. The results have been impressive but he still needs to work on pitch recognition, like all the kids.

      2. We need a few more guys to have that kind of discipline and off season weight program
        Crawford , Tocci I’m referring to you two scrawny 160 pound weaklings

    2. He gained strength in the off season. You can see it in his frame. Just bigger. Wonder if he could play 3b.

      1. You might be onto something – just another way it might be possible to keep both him and Cesar.

  7. Who I would like to see called up from Lehigh Valley sooner than later ( meaning the sooner the better ) –

    Roman Quinn to take the leadoff spot and inject some juice into the lineup.

    Pat Venditte to bump any of 3 relievers out of the bullpen.

    Rhys Hoskins anytime after June 15 due to service time considerations. TJ will be a fine trade chip.

    Dusty Wathan, for obvious reasons.

    Dave Lundquist, or almost anybody other than Bob McClure. Even though I don’t care for Rupp’s game calling or framing, you don’t throw your catcher under the bus. It doesn’t make your pitchers look very bright either. Mackanin should have addressed it publicly afterwards.

    1. The moves i like to see, Fire the whole scouting dept. except. sal. Fire the president and gm. Find a guy who knows how to win a championship. Trade Cesar cause we have the next ty cobb in our system in Kingery Screw bill Giles and his not wanting to exceed spending in Latin market to piss off commissioner and blow up the market with spending. Let go of every coach in our minor and major league system Players Who comes up thru this system dont know fundamental baseball. Four to six years in minors and they cant move a runner or bunt. Trade Tommy Joseph cause at 25 who needs a thirty home run hitting first basemen. Make sure in each trade we get another Nick Williams and Low Velocity no control pitchers like Thompson, and others. Dont get studs like braves do in trades. Dont draft guys like happ or Andrew Benintendi. Why should we draft kids who only take a year or two to make major. Better to draft guys like davis. who is a pitcher one year, stinks then outfielder next. Makes better talk on this site to try to make excuses for bad draft picks. more fun.

        1. Yes truth hurts 3up . I know you like when they are this bad, but i dont so yawn and pay to see slop

          1. Actually I only like when the comments are this bad…. Fortunately I don’t pay to read the slop…

            1. Wow that is impressive you can read. i take it back. If you can read and make a yawn, you must have been a high school graduate very impressed.

      1. rocco….that is just too many moves to make at one time! You need to go baby steps.
        First move ….get Hooter girls along the foul lines. Bring back the feel for spring training in Clearwater….and see if that will turn around the fortunes of the team.
        Second move…..mascot racing after the fifth inning…. Phanatic vs guest mascots..
        These moves could generate fan interest. 🙂

      2. Roccom – Bill Giles? He controls and influences nothing. Zero. He and Dave Montgomery are around only because they are nice people. None of them make decisions. None of them influence decisions.

        1. catch i still believe Giles when it comes to the commissioner and because of his dad. will influence the Phillies ,Bill Giles is the devil imo.

          1. No – the people who run the team now don’t give a flying *rap what Bill Giles thinks. He’s not some grand wise man they consult to learn the truth; he’s not Dumbledore.

          2. rocco…….he owned 20 percent of the club and called all the shots at one time but he was pushed out by ownership partners in 1997 and in 1998 and he then began selling off pieces of the team, as he said…his salary went away.
            He also confirmed to Jim Salisbury in 2015 that he no longer owned a piece of the team.
            He turns 83 in a few months…I think he really just shows up at the ballpark and reminiscent with the other past Phillies people like Wheels and Monty and some of the old time players..

  8. Seriously though, how does Morgan get called up with a 7 ERA? I know all about the 40 Man Roster, but he is more deserving of a DFA or release rather than a promotion. And, I have always rooted for Morgan. There are no other 40 Man players taking up a spot undeservedly? Venditte, Beato and Milner all deserve consideration for a promotion, Morgan for a demotion. Makes zero sense.

    1. matt13..have t agree. Unless they feel the Pigs need to continue that winning atmosphere so keep their bullpen intact up there in Allentown..

    2. Agree with you on that one Matt, they need to evaluate some of the other AAA relievers who are pitching well right now.

      I’m guessing Morgan because he’s a lefty.

  9. Guys,

    Having read the long Cesar-Scotty debate, and the far lesser Freddy-JP debate, I’ve come to this conclusion (at least for today): Freddy-Cesar is a great human interest story but a second division double play combo. JP-Scotty looks like a first division combo.

    Random thoughts:

    Cody Asche was touted early on as Utley-like. It’s Scott Kingery who is Utley-like.

    Players who should be getting more attention: Malquin Canelo, Jesse Therein, Pat Venditte.

    Canelo. Always a slick defender, Canelo might be the new and improved JP Crawford if his offense continues to hold and the real JP continues to disappoint.

    Therein. Loved him in Clearwater and glad to see he’s performing higher up.

    Venditte. With all the Phillies bullpen problems, it’s time to promote a guy who hasn’t given up an earned run in AAA and can pitch both ways. If a switch hitter is valuable, an effective switch-pitcher has got to be even more so. It’s almost like having two bullpen guys in the place of one.

    Kyle Martin has quietly begun to hit.

    C Randolph impatience. Guys, he’s only 19 years old. I got my first chance to see Randolph live in a couple of games a few weeks ago. He looked good at the plate. Hit the ball solidly. Again, he’s just 19 and pushed up to Advanced A, maybe prematurely.

    Crawford. While everyone focuses on his struggles at the plate, is anyone worried about his reported less range in the field? The expectations for Crawford seem to be getting lower all the time among his proponents. The latest being that, heck, hitting never was his thing, but he’s a plus defender. But what if he’s not such a plus defender?

    1. Wait what happen to Hooter girls i loved them??
      even though i am a vegetarian. That is one thing they will take away from this team. The phanatic is the best .

    2. I think JP is feeling the pressure of getting close to the show. He was in his first spring training this year & probably believes what everyone is telling him about being the top prospect. It really shows on the field. As such, Freddie needs to stay at least until next year.

      It will be interesting how Kingery adjusts to the same hype next year. He could be better prepared being older & having played in college.

      I don’t believe that Hoskins is that much better than ToJo, as such ToJo deserves a full year of AB’s in the majors. He will have 30 HR’s & 100 RBI’s this year. If it were Ryan Howard (circa 2016) out there, Hoskins should be called up in a heart beat. No reason to kill ToJo’s progress in the majors by calling up Hoskins (as much as he deserves it).

      If Kingery continues this display of power, a position change to 3B needs to be considered. CeHe deserves to stay at least for the next 2 years. Franco is not progressing in the majors. Between Doobie, Altherr, Quinn, & Tocci, we are all set at CF for years to come.

  10. I’m sorry John, I think you over value TJ. I don’t see a 30/100 guy more like a 23/75, and Hoskins is a much better hitter all around.

    1. Matt not a stat guy but tha tis tj number over a season look at what he did last year in 371 at bats. So 30 hr 90 rbi plus. is right on.

    2. If Tojo hits 3 more home runs in his next 64 at bats he’ll have 30 before 500 AB. He’s hits hit rockets in May he’s doing it at the ml level. Hoskins is having a monster AAA season but many prospects have been traded over mlb productive players.

  11. John, while I agree with your assessments of those deserving the opportunity to be the guy at their respective positions, a major league front office has to determine whose value is greater at which position. And if that player’s value translates better by trading him to strengthen weaker positions. Tommy Joseph may very well accumulate 30/100, but Hoskins may have more consistent quality ABs and his OBP will likely be significantly higher while coming close to TJs power numbers. I am intrigued by the idea of Kingery at 3b after seeing his walkoff last night AND the noticeably increased bulk. He even looks taller than I thought. Franco does not IMO have the mental makeup to be more than an all or nothing hacker. He also is on pace for 30/100 but over the long haul….????

    1. 8Mark first you say the FO makes the call about players . Then you go right into your own accessment. The FO only said Hoskins is staying in AAA for now. Just saying it’s a long season with a lot baseball to be played.

  12. My question for those pushing to keep TJ at 1b. Do you ever see him playing in an all-star game?

    He appears to be a .260/25/80 guy at the big league level. If he played any position other than 1b that would be just fine. But at 1b, they need a more.

    For me, worst case for Hoskins is that he provides the same production as a younger player. I don’t think Hoskins will provide any more power than Joseph but I do think he will hit for more average and have a better OBP…

    1. I think it’s interesting that so many people have already decided that Hoskins is an above average ML hitter.

      We don’t know what we have in Hoskins, because he’s never played in the majors. I would say that we don’t even know what we have in Joseph, as he’s still got less than 500 PAs. I’m not against the idea of trading Joseph, but A) it’s too soon and B) I don’t think he’s got a ton of value right now because, well, it’s too soon.

      1. I don’t know that I’ve decided that Hoskins is an above average hitter as much as I’ve decided that Joseph isn’t. I’d like to see what Hoskins can be..

        1. Then I find it interesting that you came to that decision about Joseph when his career wRC+ is 112 and his peripheral numbers don’t seem to indicate that it’s fluky.

            1. looking at the average over the last 5 years. a WRC+ of 112 ranks tied for 21st with Brandon Moss, Matt Adams, Chris Carter..

            2. Tim, the fact that Rizzo improved after 3 years means nothing in relationship to TJ. Also, in three years the Phillies will have had to make a decision about Hoskins. The clock is ticking..

  13. Ive been really down on prospects to start the season…its still May so i havent quit but somebody make me feel better please!

    1. Sam, of all the sports baseball is the hardest to project prospect/rookie success because the game is so mental and as fans, we can not see (or evaluate) mental. The analysis on this site is really outstanding and as many consistently post, we all need to focus on outstanding tools in trying to project. So in that vein, here are some reasons to remain hopeful: Roman Quinn has game changing speed, IF he can stay healthy he will be a game changer. Dylan Cousins has top tier power and is an outstanding athlete. I believe him mentally tough, that he has an edge and love that. Give him time, it is encouraging to see how fast he is rebounding after a 1st month in which he struck out almost 50% of his at bats. Rhys Hoskins- seems like a Boston Red Sox type of player, a player who will produce offensively above board in most categories, give me 4 guys like that in my offense and we will compete every year. Scott Kingery – another Red Sox player, we will love this kid, he is a grinder and fearless. Young pitchers – the Phil’s have said that this will be their emphasis in drafting players. I believe them, the question is do they have talent evaluators that can do this? Roccom proposed many changes to the organization in his recent post, one I would love to see is to hire the best scouts they possibly can. Give me 10 scouts stateside like Sal. I truly believe Middleton wants to turn this thing around and have sustained success, but as in any business, this will take time and require a culture change. I believe this will happen, but only time will tell.

      1. You and rocco made really good points here. There is a salary cap on players, and spending limits in LA and the rule 4. But there is no limit to what you can spend on scouts and coaches. So there is no excuse to not hire the absolute best of the best of both. If they can’t spend there when there’s no penalty, we can’t expect them to spend extra elsewhere where there is a penalty.

  14. Time will tell about ToJo, but he needs the AB’s to prove that value. I don’t think the delta of OPS will be significant enough between Hoskins & ToJo to pick one over the other. So neither will be all-stars in my opinion.

    What I do believe at this moment, Hoskins has the higher trade value due to the projection. Call him up in June & his trade value will end up the same as ToJo because of their similar offsetting production.

    If a trade package with Hoskins gets me more than one with ToJo now, while Hoskins is in the minors, I pull the trigger knowing the production difference between the two isn’t significant enough.

    Otherwise, ToJo gets a full year in the majors & someone gets traded in the off-season.

    1. John H.
      I like ToJo and the power he can bring to the table.
      But when comparing him and Hoskins and their respective hit tools, I think Hoskins is well ahead of him from the minor league perspective. Which more often than not…..does translate to the MLB level, maybe not at the same data level but the corresponding percent of change.
      For example, in full season ball…Hoskins OBP was never lower than .375….ToJo rarely and barely reached .340. Though their swing and miss rates were almost identical….Hoskins walked twice as much as ToJo….an indication he swung at fewer pitches outside the strike zone.
      I think Hoskins could put up a better slash line going forward.

      1. Romus,
        Seems like you have made your decision on who to keep.

        Question is whether you think ToJo would get better as a major league hitter to improve the OBP, since he didn’t really play much in the last 3 years in the minors.

        The other is, would you rather have more power or OBP out of the 1B position? This would depend on the spot in the batting order.

        My point is how substantially better will Hoskins be over ToJo over the longer term (3 years). For me, not much.

        With that said, as the #88 rated prospect per Baseball America, I look to see what return a trade package with Hoskins would provide. Otherwise, with Nick Williams at a .700+ OPS at AAA the last 2 years, would Hoskins be able to make a move to LF?

    1. Freddy’s OBP vs Nova is .400.
      …..five PAs…one hit, and one walk.
      Mack is playing the percentages. 🙂

  15. Just heard that Pullin is taking grounders. As Sgt Schultz used to say, “Velly intellesting”

  16. Nice game from the Pigs today. Nick Williams goes yard in the 10th. JPC 4-0-2-1, bb, .196 and climbing. Eshelman went 8 strong. Final 4-3.

    1. Eshelman could be the ‘Jerad Eichkoff’ of that deal.
      The one least expected, and then produces.

  17. Very interesting indeed. How about this lineup. Hoskins at first. Move Pullin back to second base. Move Kingery to short stop. That would be some pop in the line up. Room for some other bats on the outside corners. Just a thought.

  18. And whose brilliant idea was it to trade alec asher to the orioles, where he is a fixture in the bullpen? It’s easy to see why the orioles are a playoff contender and the Phillies are crap.

    1. The kicker…..the White Sox get $750K in international bonus money from the O’s, for a LHP who has no MLB experience, 21-years old in low -A, 27th round pick…but Asher gets back what?….cannot comprehend why Matt Klentak cannot think outside the box once in awhile.

      1. Agreed, you will get a bad reputation as a GM when you give away players. Just because the team already had a large bonus pool doesn’t mean they shouldn’t pursue more.

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