Phillies 2016 Rule 5 Results

The Rule 5 Draft was completed this morning, and none of the players fans worried over were selected.

During the major league portion of the draft, 16 teams selected 18 minor league players. The Phillies did not go unscathed during the process as LHP Hoby Milner was selected by the Cleveland Indians with the 15th selection in the first round.

The Phillies did not have a selection in the major league portion of the draft, but selected Blue Jays SS Jorge Flores in the first round of the Triple-A portion.  The Phillies lost RHP Jairo Munoz in the second round to the Tampa Rays.

So, none of the guys fans fretted over were chosen,  Whew!  I guess.

Milner was the anchor of a 2013 Clearwater rotation that included Perci Garner, Ethan Stewart, Nick Hernandez, and Mario Hollands.  A 20-year old Severino Gonzalez joined the staff late in the season.  Milner had similar success as a starter in Reading in 2014, but was relegated to the bullpen in 2015.  I remember Milner as a slightly built pitcher (like 6’2, 170), and he never looked like he had filled out when I saw him in spring training in succeeding years.

Munoz was a the subject of a series of articles documenting his Cinderella-like journey to the Phillies organization after being released by the Royals in Rookie ball in 2014.  He was signed, I believe, just before his work visa ran out.  He had been working out with a local trainer when a “showcase” was set up for the Phillies, and he was signed as a result.  I remember Munoz showing some promise with Clearwater this past season, but an injury limited him to 8 appearances.

I can’t imagine a scenario where either pitcher would return to the Phillies’ organization. With the pitching-rich environment the Phillies enjoy in the system now, the departure of Milner and Munoz, might actually make some upcoming roster decisions a little easier.



40 thoughts on “Phillies 2016 Rule 5 Results

  1. I’m not that thrilled about losing Milner. He changed his arm slot and this past year had really good results in AA and AAA: 10.5 K/9 and K/BB ratio of >5 . . . Sounds like he could be a solid LOOGY.

    1. Yes. Considering the lack of depth through the whole organization from the left side arms, I would say Milner,s loss hurts, lets just hope we get him back. As it is this just increases the need to acquire LHRPs on major or minor contracts

  2. On Flores—he is 5’5″ 140…age 25. He looks like the guy who would play SS at LV when Crawford is moved up to the bigs. Is he the shortest baseball pro to ever grace their minor lg system…???

      1. I’m more down on the 140 pounds than I am on the height. A short, strong guy, can still pound the ball – such as Jose Altuve or Dustin Pedroia, not to mention Hack Wilson for an historical reference (Wilson was 5’6″).

  3. Andrew Pullin was the one who I was worried that would be selected. He may not be a top prospect but he did enough to gain my attention as a prospect who could be a late bloomer. Some have compared him to Perkins, but I think he has more significant power potential. At least for the Phillies to get 1 more year to watch him.

    1. I think Pullin is a much better prospect than Perkins – who projects as a classic AAAA guy.

      We need to see if Pullin can hit in AAA – it wouldn’t surprise if he does. When I’ve been in ST the last few years, Pullin always looks like one of the best players, year in and year out.

      1. The over-riding issue with Pullin was not his bat, but the fact he is and will be limited to two positions…LF or RF Perhaps he can force his way with his bat into the conversations between him, Williams Cozens and maybe even Goeddel.

    2. Pullin is a good ballplayer, not great but good. I can see him as a 4th outfielder and a left handed bat off the bench

    1. So true. Losing Hoby Milner “hurts?” Give me a break! We lose a guy who had many years and opportunities in our system and isn’t even seen as one of our best 30 minor leaguers and people are disappointed? Come on.

      Andrew Pullin? I guess he’s gonna knock off someone Of the Phil’s 25-man because he’s so good, right? People hope he’s gonna be a utility guy!! What a joke. Some of these people need to get a clue.

      1. You’re right about Milner – he’s just another guy. On Pullin, we all know that the odds say he’ll never be more than a utility player or AAA player, but there’s a chance (maybe a 20-25 percent chance) he could be quite a bit better than that so you’d prefer not to lose him if possible and give things a chance to play out.

    2. all the significant names are either not eligible or are already protected. i don’t think that fans in this site in general are over rating the prospects. there are a bunch of notable prospects exposed in the rule 5 draft and Pullin, who has a solid career stat line, is the only unprotected prospect that’s being discussed as a loss (if selected) given that the Phils still keep 2-4 borderline MLB players in the 40-man.

    3. LOL. Tony – so true. Pullin was a certainty to be selected, and one or two even insisted that Perkins would be drafted. Pullin was a 5% risk, maybe less, and Perkins was an absolute 0% risk

  4. Guys on another thread here are ragging on Milner and Stumpf. Hey, Stumpf is apparently good enough to get drafted a second straight year. Milner probably won’t make the Indians 25 and will be back in LHV. Give these players some credit; at least they are thought highly enough to be Rule 5 draftees!

  5. There is always a need for Lefty RPs, so clearly worth a shot for $100K. I think Morgan can be a successful RP, so he has significant value IMO. Milner was too far down the prospect list to spend a 40 man Roster spot on him.

    1. guy84….short answer…yes.
      Not sure what the new CBA has as for changes but if you mean drop, then it must be a DFA process by the old CBA…..he is removed from the 40r but still considered on the team until resolution of the status….within 10 days, the team must
      return him to the 40….trade him …..release him (once he has cleared waivers)….place the player on waivers (first 7 days only) for the purpose of outrighting him to a minor league team.
      A player may only be outrighted without his consent I think one time in a career but still must clear waivers.
      Players on waivers may be claimed by any other org.

    1. Not necessarily.
      If he clears waivers and is not picked up, he becomes a free agent and then can shop, with his agent for a team with a need and then accept a non-roster minor league contract. The language in the contract of a non-roster invitee is critical. Out clauses are huge and they are negotiable. The more service time you have, the more leverage you have. An out clause allows a player in spring training or the minor leagues to opt out of his contract and become a free agent. A lot of time they are usually after 60 days in a team’s minor league system. Out clauses are important because they prevent you from potentially being trapped in that team’s minor-league system.

      1. It was just such a clause that benefited Juan Pierre in 2012. He made the team ahead of Scott Podsednik because his out-clause was 30 days earlier than Pods’. They had similar, good springs but Pierre’s out was May 1st and Pods’ was June 1st. I thought Podsednik edged Pierre on both base stealing and power, but it was close. Pierre made the 25-man roster because of his earlier out clause, got hot when given an early opportunity, and Podsednik was eventually sold to Boston.

        Interesting fact. Podsednik may have been the subject of the first “Chapman”. After the Red Sox bought Podesednik on May 12th he played well hitting .302 for the season. He was traded to Arizona at the deadline (July 31st) with Matt Albers for Craig Breslow and released on August 2nd. He rejoined the Red Sox on August 9th. Okay, a mini “Chapman”, then.

    1. I think this is what it is in a nutshell…. teams can select any eligible player left off the major league 40-man or the Triple-A Reserve Roster of 38 players.
      Double-A phase , teams may select any eligible player left off the major league roster, the Triple-A reserve roster or the Double-A reserve roster of 37 players.
      Then a player selected in the Triple-A phase does not rank among his organization’s top 78 talents, a Double-A selection does not rank among its top 115.
      Players are not required to remain on a particular roster. The player’s contract is assigned to the drafting team and a drafting fee approx. $12/15K for Triple-A, $4/6K for Double-A is paid. Not sure about the fees anymore. They are probably higher now with the new CBA however.

    1. I expect a slew of these signings over the next month non-roster, minor league contracts with major league spring training invites. Infield and catching depth needs to be addressed

  6. A bit off subject…..I guess most of us here saw the recent article about our #1 pick Moniac…!!?? It said that he started his pro career weighing 170 and was worn down by season’s end. Now, after spending a few post season months in their Clearwater weight and strength training facility he has reached 190….where he probably will begin the ’17 season. IMO, that could lead to a new assessment of his power potential It surely must have struck many here as a candidate languishing in the system for lack of weight and strength…Tocci. For several years he has shown his fleetness in the outfield but can barely reach the outfield walls with his hitting. Why has there not been a program comparable to the moniac one to raise hIS strength and weight…which seems to remain at 160 for this 6 footer?

    What gives?

    1. Some people can try to add weight/muscle and have very little success, others can gain by just looking at a donut. Basically same program can have different results for different players. Also with Moniak gaining weight/muscle does not mean it will translate to added power but the goal is that it will.

      1. As someone who left HS skinny but can now gain weight by looking at a donut I would say that each person has a body type, metabolism, etc. that reacts differently to weight training and diet and also changes over time.

        I haven’t seen either player physically but it would seem that Tocci is the type of guy who has a small frame and while he might get stronger, he doesn’t appear to be able to add/carry additional weight. Apparently Moniak can. One of the challenges in scouting 16-18 year olds is figuring out which guy has the ability to carry additional muscle mass and which ones cannot..

        That being said, while we have been talking about Tocci forever on this site, just turned 21 in August.

        1. 3up – I agree.

          “I would say that each person has a body type, metabolism, etc. that reacts differently to weight training and diet and also changes over time”

  7. Milner being selected is more amusing since LOOGY is a poor depth position for Phillies. I wanted Phillies to take flier on a LOOGY type themselves. Either that or a middle infielder which is a needed roster spot.

    For 25-man I think Blanco still makes sense with Knapp, Valentin, Altherr and maybe Goeddel. That would assume Knapp plays some 1B and would get into games as PH (and stay in if need be). That last spot could got to a non-roster guy if Phillies give up a 40 man spot to keep Goeddel in minors.
    I see Quinn in RF, but would prefer a big lefty bat between Franco and Joseph in the lineup.

    1. Milner and Rupp go back.
      Rupp caught Milner during Milner’s freshmen year as a Longhorn.
      Not sure why the Phillies tried to stretch out Milner in his first three years in the org as a starter..he was a RP all thru Texas.
      But he did have mixed results early on, but he was older than most and going up the ladder it got more difficult for him.
      Perhaps they should have concentrated on him relieving from the beginning and he may have been in the majors before 2016. Water under the bridge now.
      And that was the old regime so they had their reasons.

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