Open Discussion: Week of October 31st

Here’s the open discussion thread for Phillies’ talk and other topics.

No new transactional housekeeping moves by the Phillies this week.  But, I came across some international free agent signings that occurred earlier this summer that may or may not have been reported here:

  • 7/2/16  – Signed free agents LHP Junior Tejada, RHP Jorbin Romero, C Pedro Gonzalez, SS Christian Valerio, SS Jose Tortolero, RHP Yeison Sanchez, RHP Erick Heredia, RHP Aldemar Rivas, RHP Derwuin Marchan, RHP Dalvin Rosario, 2B Nicolas Torres, RHP Rafael Carvajal, RHP Francisco Morales, SS Leandro Medina, SS Brayan Gonzalez, C Luis Rojas, LHP Anderson Parra, 3B Juan Aparicio, LHP Yefferson Mercedes, SS Luiggi Pineda to minor league contracts.
  • 7/5/16 – Signed free agent OF Simon Muzziotti to a minor league contract.
  • 7/8/16 – Signed free agents OF Maximo De La Rosa, C Juan Mendez, and SS Edgar Made to minor league contracts.
  • 7/27/16 – Signed free agent IF Juan Herrera to a minor league contract.
  • 8/2/16 – Signed free agent 3B Rony Noboa to a  minor league contract.

Plus, some signings that occurred in October:

  • 10/3/16  – Signed free agents RHP Jose Perez, C Ronald Torrealba, and RHP Luis Pacheco to minor league contracts.
  • 10/4/16 – Signed free agent RHP Scot Hoffman to a minor league contract.
  • 10/6/16 – Signed free agent LHP Casey Brown to a minor league contract.
  • 10/13/16 Signed free agent OF Luis Matos to a minor league contract.

Since the end of the minor league seasons, a few players have been assigned or activated:

  • 10/05/16 DSL Phillies activated 3B Leonardo Colagrossi from the 60-Day DL.
  • 10/06/16 – RHP Derwuin Marchan assigned to DSL Phillies2.
  • 10/08/16 DSL Phillies activated RHP Gregorix Mateo off the Restricted List.
  • 10/25/16 – OF Maximo De La Rosa assigned to DSL Phillies.
  • 10/25/16 -LHP Casey Brown assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 10/25/16 – RHP Scot Hoffman assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 10/26/16 – IF Juan Herrera assigned to DSL Phillies2.

Dalier Hinojosa and Colton Murray have accepted their outright assignments and have been added to the Lehigh Valley IronPigs roster.

Zach Eflin, Matt Harrison, Charlie Morton, and Aaron Nola will remain on the 60-Day DL until after the World Series.  At that point, they will join the 40-man roster and start a series of additional moves.  Free agency, declined options, and non-tenders, will create the needed space on the roster for these four players and the Rule 5 draft eligible players the organization wants to protect.  

(Pinned Reminder:  One transaction that cannot take place is the release of Matt Harrison.  He has a guaranteed contract and cannot be released until he has demonstrated that he has rehabilitated from his injury.  So, when contemplating the make up of the Phillies 40-man roster, remember that Harrison will be a member of the 40-man roster at least until the end of spring training when he can be added to the 60-day disabled list, if necessary.)

The Dominican trainers followed through on their threat to withhold their players from MLB showcases.  One was cancelled last week when it became apparent that prospects were not going to attend.  The trainers showed their solidarity by attending the empty workout.  In a statement, the trainers made clear that their protest wasn’t against MLB, but against the proposed international draft.

(Photo from Ben Badler’s Twitter post)

Extra Innings

The New York Mets’ Yoenis Cespedes is expected to exercise his right to opt out of the remaining two years of his existing contract.

The Chicago White Sox’ James Shields is expected to decline his right to opt out of the remaining two years of his existing contract.

The Houston Astros have voided their $5.15MM agreement with 20-year old Cuban pitching prospect Cionel Perez due to a medical matter.  Perez remains subject to the international signing limitations given his age and lack of experience in Cuba’s top league.

The Super Two cut-off for this year’s class is 2.131 years.

The Florida Fire Frogs are the newest team in the Florida State League.  They will take over the franchise vacated when the Milwaukee Brewers ended their affiliation with the Bradenton Manatees in Viera, FL.  The Manatees relocated to Kissimmee and negotiated a new affiliation with the Atlanta Braves.  Games will be played at the Houston Astros’ former Spring Training home of Osceola County Stadium.

Phillies’ shortstop Freddy Galvis and center fielder Odubel Herrera were named first time finalists for the NL Gold Gloves at their positions.  Galvis led all NL SS with a .987 fielding percentage.  He joins the 2015 winner Brandon Crawford and Addison Russell.  Herrera is up against Ender Inciarte and Billy Hamilton.

Former Phillies first base prospect Art Charles was signed by the Cincinnati Reds to a minor league contract.  Charles earned Baseball America’s independent ball player of the year honors with a .352/.461/.699 slash and 29 home runs in 436 plate appearances.  BA’s J.J. Cooper posted a story about Charles’ triple crown season.

Brandon Leibrandt was removed from the AFL Scottsdale Scorpions roster with a back issue.  He was replaced with a LHP pitcher from the Yankees’ organization.  In an unrelated move, catcher Austin Bossart was added to the roster on October 26th.

Winter league baseball has started.

  • The Venezuelan League began games on October 6th (13 Phillies’ org players).
  • The Arizona Fall League began on October 11th (7 org players).
  • Mexican Pacific League began on Tuesday, October 11th (0 org players).
  • The Dominican Winter League began on Thursday, October 20th (11 org players).
  • The Puerto Rican League began on October 27th (Jesse Valentin and Yacksel Rios).
  • The Nicaraguan Baseball League opened on October 28th (0 org players).
  • The Colombian Baseball League opens on November 4th.  Josh Tobias, Chace Numata, Grenny Cumana, and Jake Waguespack are on the Toros.
  • The Australian Baseball League opens on November 17th (0 org prospects).
  • Panama has a winter league, but their web site is impossible to find/navigate.

You can check on the progress of our prospects here.  Note that Latin American leagues that aren’t included in the Caribbean Series usually don’t get their players’ results listed. That would be LA leagues other than the Dominican, Venezuelan, Mexican, and Puerto Rican.  So, don’t expect to find stats for the kids playing in Nicaragua.

Rhys Hoskins has cooled off after his 5 for 10 start and is now batting .276 in 29 AB.  He has 5 BB and 4 K.  Brock Stassi dropped from .349 to .283 but has an OBP of .469 with 21 BB in 81 PA.  He has an OPS of 1.019.   Wilson Garcia has a .318 AVG.  His 2 HR have helped give him a  SLG to .545.  Carlos Tocci has an AVG of .319 in 72 AB, 2 more XBH have lifted his SLG to .403.  Jesse Valentin has started 3-8 (.375) in Puerto Rico.  Mitch Walding is batting .286/.375/.429.  His 15 K in 35 AB give him a .500 BABIP (10 H- 0 HR/35 AB-15 K – 0 HR – 0 SF).

Ten Phillies’ pitchers have an ERA of 0.00.

  • In 7 appearances, Elvis Araujo has 7 K in 6.2 IP, but 6 H and 5 BB give him a 1.65 WHIP.
  • Gregory Infante has an 0-1 record in 7 appearances, but also has 3 saves in 3 SVO, and 6 K in 7.0 IP (1.29 WHIP with 5 H and 4 BB).  The loss came on an unearned run.
  • Alberto Tirado has a WHIP of 3.00 with 1 H and 4 BB in 1.2 IP (3 K).
  • Jeff Singer has pitched 6.2 IP, 3 K, 1 BB, 0.60 WHIP.
  • Alec Asher has 11 IP in 2 starts with 5 H, 1 BB, 4 K, 0.55 WHIP.
  • Carlos Indriago has a 1.33 WHIP (3 H, 1 BB) in 3 IP over 4 appearances.
  • Ricardo Pinto has 6 K in 4.2 IP in 3 appearances and a 1.50 WHIP (5 H, 2 BB).
  • Ulises Joaquin a 1.00 WHIP (2 H, 1 BB) in 2 appearances and 3 K in 3 IP.
  • Seranthony Dominguez has a 0.43 WHIP (1 H, 0 BB) in his lone appearance.  He has struck out 3  in his 2.1 IP.
  • And, Yacksel Rios has 2 appearances (0.2 IP) with a 6.00 WHIP (1 H, 3 BB).

I was impressed with how well Jimmy Rollins performed on the pre/post-game show during the early rounds of the playoffs.  I’m even more impressed with Alex Rodriguez, Pete Rose, and Frank Thomas during the World Series.  I was even entertained by Pete and Frank in their show, “Hurt and Hustle”.

After the Indians win the World Series (“Oh, no he didn’t!”), I’ll begin a mid-week Prospects Discussion to separate the Phillies’ Open Discussion talk from Prospect talk.  I’ll start the Reader Top 30 after the Rule 5 Draft and before Christmas with the intention of concluding the process before pitchers and catchers report in Clearwater.  I’m working on Player Pages and hope to be able to upload them in bulk later this year.  And, I’m working on an updated banner.  It’s way, way tougher than I thought.  Gonna take a while and won’t be as nice as the current banner.

Cumulative transactions:

  • 10/26 – IF Juan Herrera assigned to DSL Phillies2.
  • 10/25 – OF Maximo De La Rosa assigned to DSL Phillies.
  • 10/25 – RHP Scot Hoffman assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 10/25 – LHP Casey Brown assigned to Williamsport Crosscutters.
  • 10/15 – 2B Emmanuel Burriss elected free agency.
  • 10/13 – Signed free agent OF Luis Matos to a minor league contract.
  • 10/13 – RHP Frank Herrmann elected free agency.
  • 10/10 – RF Jimmy Paredes elected free agency.
  • 10/10 – LHP Patrick Schuster elected free agency.
  • 10/8 – DSL Phillies activated RHP Gregorix Mateo.
  • 10/7 – Outrighted Frank Herrmann, Dalier Hinojosa, Emmanuel Burriss, Patrick Schuster, Jimmy Paredes, and Colton Murray to Lehigh Valley.
  • 10/6 – Phillies signed free agent LHP Casey Brown to a minor league contract.
  • 10/5 – DSL Phillies activated 3B Leonardo Colagrossi from the 60-day disabled list.
  • Re-signed FA RHP Miguel Nunez
  • 10/6 – RHP Derwuin Marchan assigned to DSL Phillies2 (Signed July 2, 2016).
  • 10/4 – Signed NDFA RHP Scot Hoffman
  • 10/3 – RF Cedric Hunter elected free agency.
  • 10/3 – LHP James Russell elected free agency.
  • 10/3 – Signed free agent RHP Jose Perez to a minor league contract.
  • 10/3 – Signed free agent C Ronald Torrealba to a minor league contract.
  • 10/3 – Signed free agent RHP Luis Pacheco to a minor league contract.
  • Re-signed Chace Numata
  • The organization rosters are up to date.

336 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of October 31st

  1. The Dominican trainers statement:
    “….. made clear that their protest wasn’t against MLB, but against the proposed international draft.”
    I find that so self-serving absurd and ill-founded. One cannot differentiate the two.
    Ironically the only one’s complaining are the Dominican contingency.
    Almost 100% of all past discrepancies originated from the DR factions, ie players, actually kids, PED usage after testing and falsified birth dates.
    Not sure if there has been any past issues from Venezuela , Panama or Mexico players.
    The Commissioner needs to hold his ground and have some form of a draft, hopefully that all sides can agree upon.

    1. Self-serving? What does that matter? Should the kids not have an avenue to make as much money as possible, since they can’t pay them decently once they get into the minors? I certainly wouldn’t like it if I came out of college, and was only allowed to negotiate with one company per year.

      It all depends on what you’re trying to maximize.

      Maximizing owners’ revenue is obvious

      Maximizing competitive balance between teams is probably a draft, but an international market like they have now does help a little, even though teams are rewarded for breaking the rules. Perhaps tougher penalties will help competitive balance further, but they would also lower bonuses.

      Maximizing fairness and bonuses to players is clearly an unrestricted free market, but that loses competitive balance.

      Any free market may bother the Rule 4 draft guys, but that’s because their rights to negotiate with multiple teams has already been taken away, and doesn’t get reinstated until they’re in the <5%(?) that is good/lucky enough to make it to MLB free agency.

      I think it's a real shame they can do that, forcing HS kids to play a game of chicken with the ONE team they can negotiate with that year, whether they go to college and risk injury or sign for less than they're worth.

      It's also a shame that college seniors can either sign for 10k, play Independent Ball, or throw away their dreams.

      I understand competitive balance is important, but I think the kids involved are more important than that.

      1. Bastoni…. are you dreaming!
        This isn’t a communist state, you know!
        Life is not always fair …and the rewards may not seem fair when it comes to talent and skill in a specific venue and people are selected to represent an entity based on those skills.
        A draft does not restrict maximum income for the kids.
        When MLB proposed the academies thru-out the DR to help these kids and some instances educate them further ….the trainers saw their income stream suddenly erode….now who is being fair?
        You are entitled to believe what you want.

        1. I don’t think I’m following all your reply. Free market is the furthest thing from Communism.

          My “fairness” is defined by what a prospect is actually worth; i.e. how much value they add to the team. Yes, I know life isn’t fair, but the free market is the closest thing to determining what anything is worth that we have. But in this case, any dampening of player salaries directly benefits the owners.

          If I could give an example, let’s say Minnesota Twins have the first pick. They know the top HS player will accept a $6 million offer over going to college.

          What happens if the Dodgers can also make him an offer? If the Twins only have to pay enough to stop him from going to college, they’ll offer $6 million. If the Dodgers can also make an offer, the Twins also have to beat out the Dodgers offer, and I’m sure he will end up with more than $6 million.

          Extrapolate this to 30 teams bidding on one player. I don’t understand why you don’t think the draft restricts income. Pool sizes and cap sizes also restrict their income, and maybe even more so.

          As far as the DR academies are concerned, I don’t know enough of the background there.

          1. Granted that a free and open market will lend itself to the highest bidder or the wealthiest of teams for the best talents. That is what is in place now with the international market.
            Not sure if that is a good idea, since one group is pro and another is con and want a draft to equalize the talent acquisition.
            Prior to the draft of 1965 that was the way it was in the majors…and for decades you had the same teams winning …..the Yankees being one of them.
            Owner of smaller markets were forced to sell their best players to stay afloat.
            Nowadays that will not happen with TV revenue, but the point would still remain, the wealthier teams may buy the best talents on an open market.
            Of course caps can be established, then again you restrict salaries to some degree.
            All the professional sports have drafts…whether or not it is considered fair is a subjective thing….but the leagues seem to accept the drafts, and owners tend to want to make a profit, and the leagues operate well enough and few teams have compacted.
            Not sure why you oppose a draft and that an free and open market is a better alternative?.

            1. Yes, now we are on the same page.

              I don’t think the competitive balance would make that much of a difference.

              First, baseball is a very random game, where the best team wins 50-70% of the games, and 7 game playoff series are an unpredictable sample size.

              Second, sports with drafts and caps still have dynasties almost as bad as baseball before 1965, especially in football. Sometimes there are transcendent players/coaches that win 13 games a year (I’m looking at you, Patriots).

              Third, did the institution of a draft/competitive balance actually create/increase the popularity for the sport? Or was it there before, and the draft didn’t really change it? I mean, look at college football. There’s no competitive balance there at all, yet it’s still wildly popular.

              This is a good little debate; I definitely see the benefits on your side, and agree that I’m in the minority, but I think the benefits of free market to the players outweigh the benefits of the increase in competitive balance.

            2. Well I have heard the argument that a totally open/free market would balance out the competitive nature of the sport since each respective professional team can field only a certain amount of starters and players who start earn more career money than players who do not….so players will choose teams that they know they will be starting and playing more on.
              Trouble is owners and team management try to have a certain amount of control in order to reduce risk and earn profits….and that system would scare them

            3. Why should some players have the chance to make more than others because of where they are from? I never thought it was right that the HS and College kids went through one system and the international players went through another, why? It’s not like an international draft would be hard . . . it would literally be the exact same, you hit 17 (scrap 16 year olds, wouldn’t mind them being 18 either) if you want to enter the draft you declare yourself . . . structure it the exact same way as the rule 4 draft. I’d love to hear their argument for why they should have a different way of breaking in then US players. Should be uniform all around, just my opinion.

            4. Eric, they shouldn’t be able to make more money than the Americans who live in the country where the league is (Canadians notwithstanding).

              I doubt it came about due to any maliciousness, simply the International market used to be smaller, and it was easily ignored. Additionally, there was and still is a greater sense of “finding talent,” that you can’t quite do in the US where the players are much more visible, and those situations better lend themselves to free agency.

              I prefer keeping things as they are so the US players see how much better LA players do, and start advocating for themselves.

              But that will never happen unless the LA players take a hard stance, which I doubt they’ll do.

    2. IMO – MLB can keep the current set up (Rule 4 and J2 signings) but need to make significant changes in the current rules.

      For J2 – age should be limited to 15-20% – Rd2, >20% – Rd 1).

      Rule 4 – same set up, but this time include international prospects 18 to 22 in the draft and subjected to the same rules and salary scales. MLB can even increase the rounds to 50 again if they want.

      Any prospect at the age of 23 should be considered FA and free to sign with anybody.

      The above will not have any effect on the local and PR prospects, other than the >23 yo dudes who will be outright FA.

      For IFA, they need to wait until >23 yo to sign big $$ over the draft rates (i.e. Cuban dudes like Moncada, Alvarez, etc.)

      1. reposting my J2 thoughts – it was cut when I posted it.

        For J2 – age should be limited to 18-22 yo with Teams exceeding their limits subjected to loss of Rule 4 picks. (i.e. exceeds 10% = Rd 3, 15-20% = Rd2, >20%-30% = Rd 1, 30%-40% = Rds 1 and 2, etc).

      2. KuKo…will not fly with the DR trainers…..their bread and butter is a 16-year old signee period, not an 18-year old….they start nurturing them at 13/14 years old and for that 2/3 years period they train them and help with expenses for them or their family.
        And on the flip side….they promote their skills to the MLB teams’ international scouts over that period of time hoping to get the big bonus money..
        Waiting until the kids are 18 is not an option for them since it cuts into their revenue flow.
        This commissioner is not like Selig, and may hold his ground, or compromise to the extent that it is fair for all the teams.

        1. @romus – my proposal got messed up when it was posted and re-posted. here it is again:

          For J2 – age should be limited to 20%-30% = Rd 1, 30%-40% = Rds 1 and 2, etc).

          so my proposal still includes signing their “bread and butter” signees on July 2nd. the only difference is, when the kids turned 18-22 yo, they’ll be subjected to the Rule 4 draft instead of J2 signing rules. if the IFA wants more $$ like Moncada – they need to wait until they are 23 and older.

        2. know what, i think posting thru phone is messing up my posts. for the last time – here it is again.

          For J2 – age should me limited to <18 yo with teams exceeding their limits should be subjected to loss of Rule 4 picks (i.e. excess 10% = Rd 3, 15-20% = Rd 2, 20-30% = Rd 1, 30-40% = Rds 1 and 2, etc).

          so my proposal still includes signing their “bread and butter” signees on July 2nd. the only difference is, when the kids turned 18-22 yo, they’ll be subjected to the Rule 4 draft instead of J2 signing rules. if the IFA wants more $$ like Moncada – they need to wait until they are 23 and older.

    1. @romus – if the Phils are just not in the “state of denial” that they are on decline in 2012 onwards – they probably got a haul of a prospect that are ready by now. The 2008 Core + Cliff Lee is better than the vets included in the article. Cliff Lee of 2013 is probably the biggest missed opportunity as it will easy bring back a haul of prospects (similar to Hamels). But an earlier trade Utley and Rollins to the Dodgers can probably snatch a young joc pederson and corey seager from LAD.

      1. That’s revisionist history if I’ve ever seen it. There’s literally zero reason to believe Utley+Rollins EVER would have gotten Seager, yet alone him and Pederson. In addition to the fact that they wouldn’t even include Seager in any trade for Hamels, 2012’s Dodgers had infielders including Dee Gordon, Hanley Ramirez, Juan Uribe, and Nick Punto.

        Plus Seager wasn’t drafted until 2012, and you can’t be traded the same year you’re drafted. So then you’re getting into discussions about 2013 when Utley and Rollins weren’t WORTH the two.

        1. @dankeely – 2013 is the year when the Phils should blow out the team – so both Seager and Pederson are still in low minors and can be traded. If fact there’s already a rumor before linking Utley to either or both prospects. LAD is aggressive in giving up prospects (and absorbing salaries) for veterans that can help – so I can see this happening.

          Your Hamels trade is irrelevant since everybody knows that in 2015, Joc and Seager are highly rated prospects, thus, untouchable.

          LAD never seemed to like Dee Gordon, so I can see them having interest with Utley (who still has name recognition that time despite of chronic knee issues). So Rollins (with name recognition) as Utley double team combo can sound music to the new management’s ears.

          Hanley, I think is a FA in 2014 and not sure if he is still a very good defensive SS that time. He can be moved to LF/1B if not traded.

          Remember, Guggenheim Baseball Management just acquired LAD during that time so they looking for “name recognition”.

          1. In 2012, Chase Utley played in only 83 games. As for Jimmy Rollins, 2012 was a good year. But his value tanked in 2013. Their value was suspect at best. Things like that give teams pause about players in their mid-30s.

            As for Pederson and Seager? They were both top 4 organizational prospects and top 40 in all of baseball by the end of the year. You very rarely get those types of players in trades. Let alone two of them.

            In addition the Dodgers STILL had Hanley (5.4 WAR), Uribe (4.1), Punto (2.1), and Gordon. And now also had Michael Young (courtesy of us), and Skip Schumaker. As for moving Hanley to the OF to facilitate a spot? Puig (4.9), Ethier (2.7), Crawford (1.6), Kemp, and Van Slyke (still only 26 at the time). They had all the name recognition they needed, and a full INF and OF. We made multiple trades with the Dodgers in the time frame you suggest. Never for a significant player

            Again, there is literally zero reason to think we could have gotten either of those two players.

            1. @dankee – with hindsight, yes, this may not happen. A more washed up Rollins fetched the Phils a Eflin and Windle, an obviously aged Utley gave them a 3rd rounder in Richy and toolsy (now, with hindsight again a bust) Sweeney and Roberto Hernandez coughed Arano and Valentin and even Ruiz got some return. LAD even claimed Cliff Lee post trade deadline.

              LAD made a lot of trades that you might consider head scratchers, but they are not afraid of doing crazy things. LAD even traded a young under control highly touted LHP pitcher in Heaney for a rental in Kendrick. Between you and the LAD FO, i can see that possibility that it can happened it offered at the right place and at the right time.

              Teams don’t make trades with fans because nothing will happen and I still remember the angst when Sam McWilliams was traded for Hellboy – which with hindsight again, turned out to be a brilliant move.

    2. This was a great article. I love how they show the reactions to the trades at the time they occurred. It goes to show that often, the best trades, aren’t the headline generated deals, but the subtle, incremental deals where a team sniffs out a guy with potential who isn’t a big deal yet.

      How many of these below-the-radar plus trades did Ruben Amaro make? I truly can’t recall any. The only low key big success he had during his time was drafting Herrera – which was a nice pick-up to be sure.

      For all of his failings as an organization builder (the farm system was a disaster), Lee Thomas was fantastic at these low key trades. That’s how he built the 1993 Phillies. Schilling and Kruk, among others, were both acquired in trades that nobody thought much of at the time.

      1. Here’s some:

        Jeremy Horst for Wilson Valdez (neither big contributors, but Horst gave us a better year than Valdez ever did, fond memories notwithstanding)

        Gabriel Lino + Kyle Simon for Jim Thome (obviously neither has done anything for us, but Lino is still more than I would have expected for Thome at that point)

        Jesmuel Valentin + Victor Arano for Roberto Hernandez (both players are close to contributing)

        Zach Eflin + Tom Windle for Jimmy Rollins (at that point in his career? This was stealing talent)

        Drafted David Herndon in the minor league draft

        John Mayberry, Jr. for Greg Golson (again, not a huge deal, but clearly a win for us)

        So as of now, you’re correct that none of these were high impact. But there’s still some potential there (Eflin most likely, but Valentin or Lino could always surprise us). But either way, he was bringing in talent. And honestly his drafts have resulted in a lot of major league players. Does that outweigh the bad things he did? I don’t think so. But there’s some of the counter-argument.

        1. I should have clarified that I was referring only to trades before the “rebuild” officially kicked in mid-way through the 2014 season. In other words, I was trying to figure out how he was hunting for value in order to keep the machine running. He came up with a grand total of Mayberry, David Herndon, Wilson Valdez and last gasp Jim Thome – basically, almost nothing.

          1. catch…..between 2009 and 2012…that three year period the Phillies won 292 games …tied with the ’76 thru ’78 team. ….those two clubs produced the best three years ever in their history. And if you count the playoff victories…the later team was the better. Ruben was GM and Paul Owens with the ’76-’78 team.
            So those under the radar trades , ie Mayberry, Valdez et al…. may have helped with those great win-lost records.

      2. The Roberto Hernandez trade is the only “low key” trade that will probably have an impact — especially if Arano becomes a stud late inning reliever.

        One of the biggest “missed opportunity” is the signing of Adrian Beltre (over Polanco) after the 2008 World Series title.

        1. minor correction – i should say after the 2009 World Series. Beltre could have provided the RH protection for Howard and lessen the the RH bat left my Jayson Werth.

        2. Kurdt, Adrian Beltre’s services were between the Phillies and Red Sox. The Phillies offered Beltre more money per year but less years than Boston offered.

          1. @phil – Beltre is there for the Phil’s taking. BOX signed Beltre for 1-year $9M (with $5M option in 2011 and $1M buy out). This is nothing for the Phils.

            RAJ and the FO made a lot of lousy moves, but not making this move probably caused the Phils a WS or two.

            1. I remember reading the Phillies offered him a multi-year contract but he and Boras chose a 1 year deal with Boston to build value and hit FA again.

    1. Yes. He was coaching in Williamsport afterward and was present in Clearwater for Instructs. However, a transaction never posted. He’s still listed as active in MiLB and is still on the IronPigs roster. I heard during Instructs that he decided that coaching wasn’t in his future and he’s left baseball altogether.

      1. That’s a shame but when the dream dies, it’s a sad day. Carlos was a nice little player but he wasn’t likely to ever make the majors, barring a year with multiple injuries. It might have been too soon to coach, too painful. Good luck to Carlos whatever he does.

  2. I’m still intrigued by the comments someone on here attributed to Klentak that Quinn will likely start next season in Philly. I never saw the article that was referenced and I assumed Quinn would start at LHV but it will be crowded there. It could be that Quinn and Altherr battle in spring training for CF and the loser goes down to play with Cozens, Williams, and Goeddel. Herrera will get moved to one corner while someone has to play the other corner. Asche looks more like a reserve at this point so I think the Phils will sign an older guy to play, and teach, for one year. Beltran? Holliday?

    1. @Murray – i think Altherr is pretty much expected to be the RF barring any big trades. I don’t expect any big time RF FA that will sign with the Phils, not unless it will done via trade. With the number of OF in the projected 40-man (it will be around 6-8 + veteran FAs that they will sign), the FO might be forced to have an OF of Quinn-Doobie-Altherr to start the season. I can see that both Ruf and Asche will be non-tendered and Asche can be signed as a back if no better option is out there.

      I like the Phils to take a shot at one of the top FA OF (i.e. Reddick, Yoenis, Joey Bats, etc) but with contending big markets like LAD, NYY, BOS, etc that are also willing to dole out $$ – it will for the FA to choose a rebuilding team over a big market contender.

  3. I don’t see any big name FA signing, rather a bat that platoons in the OF, maybe a Rasmus or Logan Morrison type. I think they hope Altherr shows something, and can be part of a platoon, at the very least. They give Quinn a a shot, but he is far from a sure thing to even make it healthy through ST, let alone start.

  4. Kingery was selected for the AFL all star game. Valentin will have to hit well next year to keep his job

    1. Not sure why the subtle ill-respect for Valentin from some on here…I like to think between him and Kingery there will be a good competition.
      Oh, here is there AA comps at age 22.
      Valentin’s AA slash…..PA 388…..276/ .346/ .745
      Kingery’s AA slash…..PA 166…..259/. 273/ .606

      1. Kingery hits tons of doubles, has a great speed that plays up in games and has a great glove. Oh yea, and he’s a 2nd round pick. That means he’ll win a tie.

        1. And Valentin was a first round pick and a career MiLB OPS of .736.
          We can go on and on….they will have a good competition for that 2nd base CBP position, and look for Valentin to come out red-hot smoking at LHV in 2017.
          I will go on record and say he competes for the IL batting title next season.

            1. Actually, I agree with Murray on this. It shouldn’t matter, but organizations generally view their own draft picks differently. Rather than being viewed as a former 1st round pick (supplemental), he’s more likely viewed as one of the guys they got for Roberto Hernandez and a guy who had legal issues.

              Now, if he does extremely well, he could change that mindset, but he’s probably viewed now as a back-up option, but I agree that he’s probably quite a bit better than that and is a really serious dark horse candidate for the middle infield.

            2. Valentin’s peripherals over close to 1800 PAs in the minors are plus…..15% Krate and 11% BB rate, that delta of 4% is plus….. his slash of .263/.348/.736 is only skewed slightly down from his AAA experience for the first time in those 123 PAs at LHV.
              And if intangibles are anything, ie baseball instincts and knowledge for whatever they represent….his are outstanding
              I truly believe he will really explode out this year and become a serious consideration for the Phillies.

          1. It’s a possibility Valentin could be a Rule 5 casualty. I think Valentin, Pullin, or Drew Anderson could be picked. However, I believe Pullin may end up on the 40 man roster to avoid losing him.

            1. Hinkie….you are correct .
              Valentin will more than likely be selected in the Rule 5. His versatility and his experience, be it little as it is, at the AAA level will do well for him.
              I never thought of him being unprotected, but it could be a real possibility.

    2. Are the AFL all stars based on performance or prospect status? Kingery has been the worst offensive 2B in the league.

      1. It’s probably mostly based on prospect status. As for Kingery, he’s come on very strong recently. His average is up to .261 and .324 over the last 10 games. By the way, Jeff Singer has been doing great in the AFL – it’s very reminiscent of how Jake Diekman performed the year he went to the AFL. Singer could be a fast riser this year. He’ll probably start in Clearwater, but could earn a rapid promotion to Reading and I won’t rule out the possibility of further promotions.

      2. AFL is SSS for Kingery. Yes the fact that he’s a 2nd rounder does count in his favor for now. It should. Why have amateur drafts if not. Valentin may turn out to be the better player but I think he’s your classic solid utility player ala Tomas Pérez, maybe a tad better. Virtually every scouting report paints Kingery as a starting MLB 2b with a high floor. Plus the Phillies brass (IMO) see him as a guy they can easily market to an Utley-loving fan base.

  5. Why would any better player sign with this club which is going nowhere in ’17? A target date for some competitiveness would be ’18…and then only if a few newbies show well in ’17. My hope is that 3 will rise to the big roster in the latter part of the ’17 season….particularly Kingery, Crawford, & Alfaro. None of the prospect outfielders are showing much to make the big club. IMO. Quinn, healthy, could show enough to gain the ML team…but we know he cannot be counted on to stay out there because of the injury virus. Altherr deserves a good shot to see if his healed wrist can get him back to his par….?? The whole team and prospects are in a whirl with the outcome terribly uncertain. Still wandering ‘in the dark.”

    1. $$$ and the Players’ Association pressure to sign for the biggest available pile of them, in order to benefit all future FA. That’s why Thome came to Philly. He preferred to stay in Cleveland for smaller $.

      1. Also, the Phillies future is far from bleak. If the expected turnaround doesn’t materialize — ARod did escape Texas for the Yankees, despite the big contract. That is what aggressive agents do, which is yet another reason better players sign with lesser teams for greater $$$..

    2. Ask Jason Werth, who signed with the Nats when they were going nowhere. He was sold that they had a plan moving forward and they also gave him the most $$$..

      Wonder which one worked???

  6. I fully expect 1 to 2 stars for this: I am muting the TV whenever Rose and Rodriguez speak. For how they cheated The Game, it would take a lot more for me to forgive them then “they served their time for what they did or will not get into the Hall.”

    1. Sixto is now getting some national attention. Throwing in the mid to high 90s and having a 0.50 ERA as a 17 year-old will do that.

    2. No pressure on Moniak from that Fangraphs’ article …. “Moniak already has been drawing Mike Trout comparisons.” WHAT ???!!!!!!!

      1. The funny thing is, the article says that if everything goes great, Moniak could be a 20-20 guy someday . . . you know, just like Trout! LOL

  7. Eric LongenHagen had his prospects chat 1 he was asked about what’s players were at the 75/ 100 that had a chance to jump in the top 10 of his prospect list. He said Mickey Moniak was one of them. 2 is down on Appel which doesn’t Surpise me he hurt. 3 said the ceiling for PUK was 2 Or a 3 Which doesn’t Surpise me he doesn’t throw the Ace label around lightly. 4 I think the Phillies did great job in the draft this yr .

  8. Since this winter’s FA market is lean and a blockbuster trade is unlikely, Klentak will have to show how savvy he is (or MacPhail how he still has the touch) in making shrewd deals. All I read and hear is that we’ve NO upcoming studs but PLENTY of depth. Let’s see some of that depth used to acquire sound big league talent along with signing one or two free agent supplementary bats. The days of salivating over the megastar are over….or at least they should be. A good GM expends unproven yet projectable talent and finds actual value. Anybody can throw $$$$$$$$$ at a star whose return on investment rarely justifies that investment no matter how deep the team’s pockets are.

    1. 8mark…agree.
      Not every high-dollar FA signee translates into WS rings, just a small percentage… which is probably the mathematical expectancy.
      I still look for Knapp and Lively to be dangled in some sort of packaged deal at the winter meetings next month.

      1. Lively is now about as hot as he will get as a prospect (which is moderately warm, no scalding), but Knapp’s value is down and I believe in the bat, although the K rates are a little disturbing. I know room for him is limited, but I’d like to see how Knapp does this year – I’m expecting a real breakthrough with the bat and it looks like he has become much better behind the plate.

        1. Catch,

          Alfaro, Grullon, Bossart, Numata if he continues to develop, the young Latin guys in the GCL. Lots of catching prospects. I think the Phils can afford to trade Knapp given his potential, even with the somewhat down year in ’16.

          1. Aside from Alfaro (who is a keeper behind the plate), none of those guys is likely to hit enough to be able to stay on the diamond if he is not catching. I think Knapp has serious potential as a guy who can catch, but can also DH or play first on days he is not catching. The other guys you mentioned don’t have that potential and most probably will not be good enough to be back up major league catchers.

            1. Grullon is only 20 and is as good as Alfaro defensively he can match his arm strength.Bossart has done nothing but impress ,plus there ‘s so many LA signings I can’t think of all them.

            2. Grullon hasn’t shown the ability to hit. Bossart has been fine, but not a high draft pick and still not very far through the system. Neither of these guys are top 30 prospects. Their futures are very hazy at present, but none them are close enough or established enough to have any effect whatsoever on plans for Knapp over the winter.

            3. Catch,

              I generally agree on your assessment, though Grullon has been considered a prospect, did show glimmers of hitting last year, and is still very young. He might be a break out player this season.

              Numata hit 308 with a 770 OPS though he was helped by a 344 BABIP. We’ll see what he looks like if he gets to Reading this season.

              My point: Alfaro looks like the future and there’s a lot of depth at catcher though, as you say, much of it is lower down in the system.

              Still, I consider trading Knapp if the Phillies can get reasonable value in return.

            4. Again I do not understand the Jorge Alfaro hype as he is a very aggressive hitter with little plate patience. Alfaro will be a Major Leaguer but how good will he be? Trading Knapp without giving him a chance with the Phillies will be a mistake. We need Knapp as an insurance policy in case Alfaro really struggles at AAA with the breaking pitches like Knapp did at first.

            5. If Rupp keeps making strides in the right direction he’ll be hard to unseat . . . He’s improved every year since he’s been up and not for nothing, this past year was his first full year. Def a good problem to have.

            6. @philabaltfan….can understand what you are saying about Knapp. He has potential as a switch-hitting catcher. The issue, the way I see it, is his age. Knapp turns 25 -years old next week. Alfaro is 1 1/2 years younger and at the same level starting in 2017.
              I see getting value for Knapp now vs when he is 26 or 27 years old and still cannot break into the starting Phillies line-up, especially if Rupp progresses in his metrics, even if just a little in 2017. None of the three are really veterans to help mentor each other, so in essence you could have four players vying for two spots….and one will be that veteran that the Phillies will probably sign.
              And to try Knapp at another position reminds of the Ruf experiment from a few years ago with him in LF.
              Will be interesting to see what Matt Klentak does with some of the prospect surplus at specific positions.

          2. He’s very young (and small at 5’9″/170 lbs), but I’m looking forward to seeing how Rafael Marchan does in the GCL next season.

  9. I’m thinking a guy line Rasmus, who just had two surgeries but who has good power from the left side, would look ok in our OF on a one year deal. He’d probably like to hit at CBP for a year to pad his numbers. He’s very good defensively as well. He could easily hit 25 homers for the Phils.

  10. I agree Murray, especially after injury and a down year. A 1 year deal, even at an overpay, gives him a chance to re-establish his value, and make a nice buck. And the Phils get some power, and he will hit at CBP, and, as you said, is excellent defensively. He is exactly what the Phils should look at, guys like Bats and EE are going to still get long term/big$ deals and are not fits here.

  11. The Phillies (.581 winning %) take the “Best Farm System” honor in 2016. It’s gratifying but somehow, unexpected from me maybe because of my expectation that REA and LWD can will it all the way. SEA has a higher winning % at .590 and more teams that went to the playoffs, but the Phils “DEPTH” got the nod.

    I think the NYY is teh #1 Farm talent wise but a big chunk of their prospects were only acquired during the trade deadline.

    1. April is a long time from now but the LHV team next year will hold our baseball future in its hands. Their lineup will be full of prospects, something like this: featherston 3b, JP ss, Williams LF, Hoskins 1b, Cozens rf, Alfaro c, Altherr cf, Knapp or Goeddel DH, Valentin 2b. If Quinn is there, he’ll bat lead off with Featherston 8th. Combine that with a rotation of Lively, Appel, Asher, Pinto, and Thompson. Cordero and Nunez closing. That’s our future there. If they do well, we have a future, if not…..

      1. If Quinn and Altherr are both in philly, we don’t have a CF for LHV. Williams might have to play all CF to allow Goeddel and maybe Pullin (Knapp??) to play LF. Cozens will play RF. It all is moot if Quinn starts at LHV as he should. 40 man spots will have an impact

      2. @murray – the 1st wave of the new core or the future is already in the red pinstripes – Nola, VV, Eickhoff, Franco, Doobie and possibly Neris, Ramos. The 2017 LHV and REA will definitely supplement the current Phils team and make it a contender. The final wave will come (via FA and) in 2020 – with Moniak, Kilome, Gowdy/Medina/Sixto serving as the new bloods with the then experienced core.

        Altherr will get the 1st crack as the Phils RF (unless injured – knock on wood or any RF FA signed) – he will not start in LHV. Quinn will probably complete a strong OF trio in LHV with Nick and Cozens in the corner.

        Goeddle will start and play everyday with REA. Jake (5th stater) and Asher (long RP) might start with the Phils unless trades will be made — I can see a Appel, Pinto, Pivetta, one of Jake/Eflin/Lively and Morgan consist the LHV staff.

        I can see Cordero teaming with Ramos and Neris as the late innings shutdown RPs.

        1. Why would Goeddel be sent to Reading? He already has a full season of AA and got practice and useful experience in Philly last year.

          1. @allentown – goeddel is way below the OF depth chart. granted that he did not get the same opportunities that Doobie got, with Quinn, NIck and Cozens knocking at the door and MickeyMo, C, Stephen and Jhailyn down in the pipeline (even excluding borderline prospects like Pullin, Tocci, Pujols) – the barren OF well is now stacked. I will not even be surprised if Goeddel will be DFAd (or packaged in a trade).

            I think is still a close possibility that Goeddel will start in REA but move up to LHV when one of the LHV OF prospects will be promoted.

            1. I don’t know that he’s as far down as you may think. The org valued him highly enough to keep him on the roster all year long . . That says something right there ESP when they could have sent him back n brought up an OFer from LHV. Not saying he’s their top OF prospect but he’s in the conversation of top 5

      3. You forgot Pivetta….who could very well be the best of the rotation pieces next season in LHV.
        Thompson I see in Philly….unless he gets injured in ST and has to rehab in LHV.

        1. I did forget him, thanks. Pinto could return to Reading after only a fair season. Injuries could help earn Thompson a spot in philly. Guys could get moved to the pen. We’ll see, it will be fun.

          1. Injuries could change things but if healthy Philly starters will be Nola, Vinnie, Eickhoff, a veteran like Morton, and Elfin. I see Thompson, Asher, Lively losing to Eflin and I see Morgan as a full time reliever.

  12. In AFL, our future 2b had 3 hits yesterday raising his avg up to a respectable 261. Also Nunez looks to be earning a 40 man spot plus a good shot to get to Philly at some point next year. Singer still hasn’t given up a run and has a spot locked up in Cwater, maybe even Reading, bullpen. Good story for Philly kid.

  13. What will have a MAJOR impact on how NL teams proceed (even this winter) is IF and WHEN the DH is implemented. You hear it mentioned but not discussed much. FOs must be keeping their ears to the tracks now, don’t you think?

    1. 8mark…..I think it is one of the agenda items on the CBA talking points.
      In ’73, the AL adopted the DH, since then fans and executives alike have been arguing for one side or the other.
      MLB Commissh Rob Manfred says the “AL is more exciting with the DH, while the NL is more interesting. he also said, “The most likely result on the designated hitter for the foreseeable future is the status quo (eaning no change).” However, others believe that the decline in pitchers plate performances will force the NL to change by adopting a DH rule. On the other hand, there are NL pitchers, you know the folks who are actually batting, wish to continue to hit and think it adds an interesting and fun wrinkle to the game. Go figure.
      I guess if up to the Commish, the NL will not adopt a DH rule.

      1. That’s the Commish saying something to make everyone happy before a decision is made. He also said there will be major rule changes and there should be more scoring (I agree with this) and that games should be shorter. If you want more scoring and slightly fewer pitching changes, just add the DH.

        I think some of the changes will be procedural (20 seconds per pitch [I would make it 15 – let’s keep it going!], limits on pitching changes during an inning unless there is an injury, and faster pitching changes), but others might be substantive, such as adding the DH, changing the strike zone (officially).

        1. What’s odd is that, unlike football, it’s hard to make rule changes in baseball without it really changing the sport. In football, there are rule changes all the time (where kickoffs start, where extra points are kicked, what defenders are permitted to do, etc. . .) and it doesn’t seem to change the sport. In baseball, other than the DH (which was huge) there probably hasn’t been a really significant rule change since spitballs were disallowed in 1920 and walks went from 5 balls to 4 balls. Everything else has been window dressing.

          1. This could be the list of agenda items on the CBA talks later this month.
            Could be more….do you think of any that seems to spike baseball folk interest?
            1. Shortening the Season ..maybe to 154 Games from 162.
            2. Further Developed Domestic Violence, Drug, and Tobacco Usage Policies
            3. Prevent Tanking….. maybe a Lottery for the First Round of Draft Picks
            4. International Draft.. Simplified and Consistent Rules in Signing Inter. Talent
            5. Luxury Tax/ Equal Share of League Revenues between the Owners and Players
            6. The Use of the QO Tied to FAs..biggie IMO
            7. The World Baseball Classic and Games Played Overseas
            8. MLB Minimum Salary, Salary Arbitration, and Player Control ..a usual topic
            9. The NL adding a DH…we al;reay talked about this
            10. Discussion about Litigation regarding the Unionization of the Minor Leagues…they need better salaries for sure

            1. The owners will never approve shortening the season from 162 to 154 games – too much lost revenue.

              Abuse (drug, domestic) policies are now easy to get – everybody is against abuse and unions don’t want to waste political capital fighting those things.

              I could see an anti-tanking lottery – perhaps the first 7 or 8 picks.

              If they want to make baseball really interesting they should devise a system where there is at least some limited ability to trade draft picks. MLB is in the dark ages in this area. I would slot compensation for the first 2 or 3 rounds of the draft and permit trades of picks – THAT would be interesting.

              International draft will come in some form – sooner or later.

              Minor leaguers may get raises and better treatment but they won’t be unionized. The union cares about MLB its members and won’t sell out its power for the expense of minor leaguers. Not going to happen.

              Free agency is interesting. I don’t mind the current system that much except I don’t like that when you lose a player to FA you don’t get the pick of the team that signed the FA and forfeited the pick, you get a crappy pick at the end of the first round. I suppose the purpose is to incentivize teams to sign their FA – it doesn’t work and it penalizes the weaker team. Also, why do you need to punish a team who signs a free agent? That doesn’t happen in other sports. I’m not really sure I understand that.

            2. FrankF…yes, something the league and the Commissioner’s office will need to address.
              They may look to the NFL Conduct Policy and then work with their own and try to tweak what they already may have. Public image is important to the league.

          2. I don’t think true on either count. The touchback at the 25 has certainly reduced run back attempts in the NFL this season. Baseball has had substantial changes which made big differences: lowering the height of both the mound and the top of the strike-zone boosted offense, as did the livelier baseball.

            1. Yup, changing the mound height in 1969 was a substantial change – but that’s almost 50 years ago now. As for the strike zone – officially, it has not changed at all, although there have been continuing issues regarding enforcement. The lively ball era began almost 100 years ago so it’s hardly a recent change. There is now instant replay, but that doesn’t change the rules, it just adds another layer of review and was inevitable given the changes in technology (which is why all major sports now use some form of instant replay now). Aside from that the only other meaningful change I can recall since the DH is the blocking the plate rule, which is designed to promote player safety.

              In football, the changes are significant and occur with great frequency. Since I was a kid (early 70s), the goal post moved from goal line to back of the end zone, kickoffs keep moving farther and farther forward (to limit run backs), the creation of the two point conversion rule (and changes in where the ball is hiked on the conversion), the extra point was moved back from a true chip shot to where it’s now a 33 yard field goal, and numerous changes in the penalties (mostly for defensive players) such as no hits to the head, no chop blocks, defenseless receiver rules, no blocking by defensive players on a receiver more than 5 yards from the line of scrimmage – the rules – especially on how a defensive player can cover a receiver – are almost unrecognizable from the rules that prevailed during the 70s when players such as Lester Hayes were able to terrorize receivers.

              Compared to football, baseball has been a very static sport, which isn’t bad per se, but baseball is losing traction and it needs a boost to continue to stay relevant. Look, I’m a huge fan, but when I go to a game now, I dread innings 6 through 9 where there are constant stoppages in play so managers can bring in one reliever after the next. I have been to many Phillies games where the first 5 innings are played in like an hour and 15 minutes and the games ends up being 3 hours in regulation. Also, let’s keep the action going – there is no reason that a pitcher needs more than 15 seconds to throw a pitch.

      2. Madden says he loves the NL way of ball now that he’s managed in both leagues. He thinks they should do away with the DH.

        1. I actually love that the DH is in the AL and not in the NL. They should however do away with the AS game determining home field.

          Better regular season record should prevail…

          1. DMAR…agree on home field advantage for the WS based on the better record, now that intercontinental play is a regular thing.

            1. Agreed – it’s a silly and failed experiment. I’m kind of pulling for the Indians (not sure why, just am), but it’s crazy that the Cubs, who were clearly the best team in baseball this year, do not have home field advantage especially when that advantage could mean the difference in the series. Why should an exhibition game not played by the two teams in the WS determine home field advantage – it makes no sense and it’s not fairl

            2. I’m pulling for the Indians as well but what’s interesting is that it may actually wind up benefiting the Cubs more so than the Indians.

              Schwarber wasn’t getting into that Line-up if he had to play the field…unless he pinch hit of course.

  14. Hate any idea related to restricting pitching changes or other manager decisions based on some arbitrary desire to move faster. I do agree with a time clock between pitches to speed up the game as well as less time for a pitching change since the pitchers are already ready in the pen.

    I also think that September game rosters should be restricted to 25 players that are designed before each series (barring injury). I say each series so that teams can’t just replace all of the starters with relievers for each game. This would prevent some of the games in the last month where each team is using 8-10 pitchers in a game.

    Funny thing is that many of the reasons the game is slower is that the time between innings, pitching changes, etc. has been expanded to add additional time for TV commercials.

    1. The games where teams have one pitching change after the next are tiring and ridiculous. I would be perfectly happy with a rule that required a relief pitcher to throw at least 15 pitches or pitch to at least 3 batters, whichever comes first. The last 3 innings of games these days are painful and slow beyond belief and it also significantly depresses offense, which is another problem. We would all get used to it in a year.

      1. I like the idea of facing at least 2 batters as Dark Knight describes. I think Football and Basketball suffer the same problem.

        Is anything more drawn out than the last 5 minutes of a Basketball Game or the taking of a knee in football?

        1. Yeah, basketball slows down for sure in the last 5 minutes, but it’s just not that long of a game to begin with, so it’s more tolerable. I don’t know what’s so bad about taking a knee in football – that never bothered me in the least. Once it happens the game is over in a flash.

    2. I personally don’t believe limiting the roster to 25 players does much, if anything to help out in September. You swap out the other 4 starting pitchers with relievers.

      I’ve lately been weighing the option of restricting pitching changes. Maybe raise the minimum number of batters faced from one to two or three? Nothing slows the game down like seeing Howard come up, manager x bring a lefty specialist in, and then bringing a righty in to face the next guy. In my mind an MLB pitcher should be able to get at least three hitters out. It also makes the managers life harder: do I bring a lefty in to face Yellich if Stanton is behind him?

      I don’t see it happening as I’m more than aware of the downsides.

        1. Love this idea too 3UP…play the season the same all the way through but definitely force a roster decision of 25 men before each series.

      1. I’m opposed to any rule changes that affect strategy and managerial choices. However, a clock on the pitcher sounds good.

        As for DH, I didn’t see Maddon’s quote but I’m glad to hear a high-profile guy come out for repealing the DH.

    1. No. Hellickson will not sign a QO.
      I’m going to look pretty stupid if he does since I’ve been saying Hellboy declines the offer since the trade deadline.

    2. There’s literally no chance he accepts. He’s going to get a big multi year deal. He’s the #1 pitcher out there for a multi year deal. Rich Hill might get more money per year but there’s no way he gets 3 years like Hellickson will.

  15. 2017 is a huge year for these prospects:

    Nick Williams (obviously)
    Andrew Knapp (could be traded this winter, anyway)
    Aaron Brown (perhaps the most talented non-prospect in the organization)
    Mark Appel (unless he’s turned into a reliever)
    Roman Quinn (how many setback injuries is TOO many?)

    1. 8mark……Aaron Brown (most talented non-prospect)…I like to think Mitch Walding would be right up there also.
      Both may see 2017 as their last in the Philly organization system.

    2. Aaron Brown, in my view, has neither the hit tool nor the plate discipline to be successful above AA. If you look at the drafting of Aaron Brown, it encapsulates everything wrong with Marti Wolever as an evaluator of talent. With Marti, it was all about physical tools above all else, and Aaron Brown, a tremendous physical specimen who probably pounds the ball in BP with the best with the best of them and has a legitimate pitcher’s arm, has that to be sure. But in picking Brown, Marti ignored, Brown’s hit tool (or lack thereof), plate discipline (or lack thereof) and advanced age. That pick was a Sabermetric nightmare and one that Johnny Almaraz never would have made at that point in the draft.

      1. He does have the Arm though to fall back on but I agree its fairly evident the hit tool is not there to carry him to the MLB. Get back on the mound Aaron it may be your ticket.

        1. Both actually if Ultey was on either them I’d vote for that team. The Cubs might win because of there SP depth , Hendricks could be the mound for the NLCS winning game as well as the WC Winning game. That would be a nice feat .

    1. This article confirms what I’ve been thinking. Aside from size (he’s a bit small for a righty power pitcher) and super high K rates, everything else about him is elite. The season he put together was staggering and was matched by the descriptions of his stuff. I’m throwing caution to the wind and will probably have him in my top 5 or 6 – right after Kilome. I hope they put him in extended ST and then bring him up to Lakewood sometime in May. We could easily have a true phenom on our hands.

      1. Agree again leave him in EXT ST. he threw 54 innings last year so the proper metric would be to have him throw near 100 this season. Let that happen in warm weather.

        1. Amazing how they found Sixto…..him pitching batting practice to the Cuban catcher who they were scouting..
          And only asked for $35K to sign.
          Since the CBA, apparently does not want to bother with minor league players and their cost of living issues, would the Phillies org be out of line by contributing to some of the LA kids, who signed for such low bonuses, a few dollars more?.

          1. Baseball has countless scouting tales to the effect of “we went to scout Joe Blow and all of a sudden a Hall of Fame talent showed up instead.” Willie Mays was discovered on a scouting trip to see a first baseman. Mickey Mantle was discovered on a Yankee scouting trip to see a third baseman, Yogi Berra was scouting when scouts went to see the big prospect in his community, Joe Garagiola, and the list goes on and on.

    2. Great article on Sixto by Salisbury. Balances out all the angst I’m reading about how we have no stud prospects. If Velasquez, Sixto, Nola, Kilome and Eickhoff come around to form by ’19-’20, who needs a lefty? Give me a solid (not a star studded) everyday lineup and we’re cooking.

      1. Good read…even the other articles below the Top Ten AA-OPS article.
        Though, getting old reading from all the different pubs , the continue pining phrase on Reading’s ‘hitters paradise ballpark’ and how it skews home town players offensive metrics.
        Perhaps someday the Reading management may move the fences back a few feet…though that doesn’t stop the ‘summer breeze’ coming off the nearby Schuylkill.

  16. Some on this board are open to a veteran hitter in the young lineup. I’m of the opinion to utilize a platooning approach, while players prove their value.

    The Rockies have a logjam in the outfield, payroll constraints, and challenges signing FA pitchers. All of which the Phillies can help.

    Who is open to a Carlos Gonzalez trade for RF? He offers trade value mid-season, will be a FA in 2018, and will not block prospects while providing a heavy hitter in the cleanup spot.

    Perhaps a platoon of Altherr and Quinn in CF with Odubal in LF. There would still be room to bring up Williams from AAA later in the season.

    Lively’s value is at it’s highest and Knapp doesn’t really have a spot to play. That’s a starting point for a trade and satisfies all Rockies needs.

    1. I’m actually not oppose if the Phils will decide to fill the roster with young core — however, it is already proven in time that a veteran mentoring and presence in the clubhouse aids to the development of the younger players.

      on knapp – if they cannot get any value via trade, i would love to see him with the Phils as a back up C/1B/LF and switch hitting pinch hitter.

      i prefer to resign Chooch (with Knapp as back up and Alfaro coming in at some point) and trade Rupp with Lively (and/or Jake, Eflin, Asher, etc) to get the bat they need.

      Carlos Gomez, if he’s available – is someone I will take a chance.

  17. How about something like this? Phillies send Velazquez, Knapp and, maybe a lesser prospect to Detroit for J.D. Martinez (owed $11.75M), Anibel Sanchez (owed $21.8M), Matt Manning and some cash. Martinez and Sanchez are both free agents after 2017. Martinez should have substantial value at the trade deadline. Talk was that the Phillies already considered trading Velazquez last year.

    1. FrankF…I like that….but Tigers vision the $3.5M bonus 9th pick Matt Manning as stepping in for Verlander in 3/4 years, so they will be very reluctant in letting him go

      1. Detroit has a new GM and he may not want to trade away the farm system. But they still have the same old owner who has traded prospects to win now frequently in the past. I just want to see the Phillies use some of the money they won’t be spending to creatively add talent. Just like we were told they would but really haven’t so far.

        1. That could happen with a new GM, but to get a Manning in the deal, I would think that ‘lesser prospect’ would have to be a viable upgrade to more or close to a premium grade prospect. Someone like Cornelius Randolph or a Dylan Cozens might get their attention.

          1. Atlanta got Dansby Swanson (and more) for Shelby Miller last year. I agree that the pot might have to be sweetened or more of Sanchez’s salary picked up. But, if you are going to go, you might as well go big.

      2. Romus,

        Thanks for the compliment, but I think it goes to Frankk, not me, FrankF. Maybe I should adopt a more creative screen name to avoid the confusion. How about Romulus?

    2. Unless you feel confident that Matt Manning will be an ace, I don’t like the deal very much. You’re taking on a lot of useless salary and a giving up an excellent, young major league arm for a kid who’s 4 years away and could fail for a number of reasons? Again, unless I though Manning was THE guy, I pass on this one.

  18. In the event Hellickson declines qualifying offer – which he should, I would be for a trade for Sanchez or Gonzalez for a bag of balls since the Phillies are absorbing the salary. Not sure I want JD Martinez.

    This was the general idea for Carlos Gonzalez while using prospects that were either at peak value or no room on the active roster.

  19. Phillies hire Matt Stairs as hitting coach. Going a little outside the box. Curious if his personality will work.

    1. When I saw this, I thought it was a joke, but I’m really happy to see that it’s true. Matt Stairs knows more about hitting than anyone I’ve ever heard in a broadcast booth and I’m going to miss hearing him talk about hitting. Now, knowing it, and teaching it in a way that sticks with major league players are two very different things, but at least the guy knows what he’s talking about.

      As for everyone else, I think Samuel appears to be an effective outfield coach and Morandini may be good at infield instruction, but as first and third base coaches and running instructors, they are not good at all (Samuel has no clue when to send a guy at third and none of the young players on this team, including the really fast ones, know how to steal a base) and I’m disappointed that the team does not have someone to properly coach runners.

      1. He is too complicated for me in his instructions
        Oh…though the one good one I heard him say ….’kiss your shoulder’, also works in golf.

  20. he made a living as a PH, which required him to always be ready. And, he combined power and plate discipline. I am very excited that he gets the nod. Seemed to be able to express his hitting philosophy, on air, to non-baseball players, so I think he should be able to communicate with players very well.

    1. You’re just saying that because his name is Matt. . . . Seriously, I agree with your points. He was a self-taught, down-to-earth, friendly hitter with power and plate discipline – the two things we want most. I’m happy about this and it could work out well, but the one thing I have not seen with the new front office is a commitment to superior, cutting-edge, instruction. Many people who have observed the Cubs’ turnaround first hand have commented how they have the best instruction in baseball (I think that a had a lot to do with Arrieta’s development and the emergence of Kyle Hendricks along with the development of so many hitters). That’s as important as developing the analytics department.

  21. Kruk to replace Matt Stairs in the booth.
    Why not add Schilling and Mitch Williams…and now we are talking….no more banalization.

    1. Shilling might go into politics if his wife lets him.

      While listening to the cleveland indians radio announcer. then comparing them to the crew at Philly its night and day old school (cleveland) and comedy school (phil). They need to find a baseball announcer, not a “personality”.

      Regarding LHV outfield players, thiugh not considered a prospect Cam Perkins will be there and can play all 3. Goeddel, Williams, Perkins, Pullin, Cozens, ….

        1. Well, someone is certainly free to waste a 40 man spot on Perkins – but I don’t see it happening. He’s just not that good, nor does he have any kind of special upside.

  22. Funny I said Phillies should get Matt Stairs as the hitting coach on here a couple weeks ago. Great chioce how can you not like Matt Stairs his favorite movie Slap shot.

  23. Watching the WS and find it quite sobering to see how far the Phillies have to go to reach the Cubs. The Cubs are stacked with young studs. I do not get the sense that the Phils’ prospects r anywhere close to that level. I am not sure we have 1 prospect who could break into their top 4-5 young stars.
    At least we have something to shoot for…

  24. Just like Jim said The Cubs win the World Series lol. Zobrist back to back World Series champion 2 different teams I remember last yr when KC traded for him .

  25. Michael Martinez made the final out last night. Who’d have thunk he’d be the next ex-Phil to go to the World Series?

  26. I hope Matt Klentak was watching. Zobrist is the definition of a professional hitter. Plays multiple positions well, and his double down the line off of that cutter was really something. Our guys tend to pull that pitch on the ground to the 2B or pop out to SS. Hopefully Matt Stairs can teach pitch recognition and hitting the other way, but that probably needs to start throughout the system.

  27. Well, one nice thing about this is that we won’t have to hear Cubs fans whine and complain anymore. But good for them – they were the best team in baseball without a doubt and deserved that win and they are going to terrorize the National League for the next 5-10 years (at least) and, as super as Bryant and Rizzo are, Schwarber has a chance to be an all-time great if he stays healthy and keeps his weight under control. He’s going to be like Miguel Cabrera or Manny Ramirez or Big Papi at their peaks – just a complete beast at the plate.

  28. So, back to the earlier post from someone. If Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Baez, Russell are the top Cubs young players, where would any of our prospects fit? We hope JP? Alfaro? Franco? If not, contention may be a very long way away!

      1. Hopefully, Middleton see the signing of McPhail/Klentak as the path to Machado.

        I still credit the talent infusion to Johnny A. and Sal A. and not to the McKlentak combo.

    1. At some level, it’s not that critical to match up with and exceed the Cubs because the Cubs are not in our division. Sure we would have to face them in the playoffs, but the best teams don’t always win in any event (although it did this year).

      Also, one thing I like about the Cubs is that they are really built around hitting, just as the recent Red Sox teams were and just as all the great Yankees teams were. Sure, they have some very good pitching and they sure didn’t ignore the acquisition of pitching, but they did the opposite of what MacPhail is preaching (grow the arms and buy the bats). For the most part, the Cubs grew the bats and acquired the arms. I think the best thing about building with hitters is that doing so creates a much more sustainable long-term base. If you have a great group of hitters aged 22-27, chances are excellent that they will still be really super 5 years into the future. Gather a group of pitchers and between injuries and losses of velocity who knows what you will have 1 year into the future (see 2015 and 2016 Mets) no less 5 years. Oh yeah, and another thing – hitting is fun!

    2. While it’s fun (or not) to compare our top prospects with those of other teams, let’s keep perspective. Even if, say, JPC is 3rd banana to Lindor and Russell, our young arms are at or near the top of the futures crop while the Cubs’ are well into their careers. Pitching alone won’t win it all but it’ll damn sure keep us in the conversation just like we enjoyed a taste of it the first 2 months of ’16. Alfaro, Crawford, Kingery, Nola, VV, etc may not be quite as good as the Cubs future core but do they really have to be in order for us to parade down Broad St come 2019/20?

      1. 8mark……concerning the Cubs… guess Cubs do not get there in 2017..Lester and Arrieta pitched an extra tough month this year and normal drop off is the following year, as it appears the trend for WS participants of late. Plus Arrieta is showing some wear and tear with age, especially the 2nd half of the 2016 regular season, and Lester is in his 30s.
        The standard phrase that every baseball manager and coach repeats in order to win:
        “You need good pitching, good defense and timely hitting”….in that order specifically. You notice they do not say good hitting for a reason.

        1. Romus, the key to our future success lies in the development of young hitters in their collective approach and plate discipline. The young arms are there developmentally. With a young core of JPC, Kingery, Alfaro and Moniak up the middle by 2019, veteran pieces with pop at the corners, and VV, Nola and a free agent ace anchoring the rotation…..hey!! We have the dollars and the depth to make it happen.

        2. Romus – I enjoy your posts, but that’s just a silly comment.

          In the history of baseball, most dynastic teams were propelled by great hitting and timely but competent pitching. The Yankees formula was to bash you into submission and have competent pitching get them through the game giving up only 3 or 4 runs, making guys like Andy Pettitte legends. That formula was good 27 championships. The Big Red Machine was exactly the same way. Oh, and by the way, the 2008 Phillies were also on that list – they beat the crap out people and received timely pitching.

          1. But I’m not saying you can’t win with great pitching, great fielding and timely hitting – you certainly can. But to suggest that teams that are characterized mostly by great hitting cannot be dominant is simply false. There are examples galore.

          2. I think the Cubs pitching was pretty great this year just look at the WHIP of their starters Hendricks was .98 Lester 1.02 so was Lackey and Arrieta in an off year was 1.08.

            That is pretty close to dominant starting pitching

            1. Okay, but that doesn’t take away from my main points. Other than Colorado (can’t count them for Coors field effect), the Cubs were first in the NL in scoring and second in the major leagues, ahead of all AL teams except for the Red Sox. Also, they grew the hitters and acquired the pitching – that is all generally true.

    1. You can quibble with the rankings, but I think, to be fair, right now they are in the bottom 25% of teams in the majors. Also, their path forward is nowhere near as clear as it was for the Cubs who had several superb prospects who you were pretty sure would take off quickly and they did.

      If you look at the Phillies’ young players (not just the prospects), almost all of them come with serious questions marks at the least. At this point, only one of their position players looks like he has arrived as a consistent above average or better player (Odubel Herrera) and none of their pitchers have been established as even reliable mid-rotation starters. And you look in the minors and you can say the same thing about all of their ready or near-ready prospects (A+ or above) including J.P. Crawford (who I think will be fine, but he’s struggled recently). So the Phillies could arrive in 2018 or 19 – or not. I have no idea to be honest with you.

      1. By the way, I’m not down on them or on what they are doing, I’m just saying this all might take some time as they sift through players and continue to add higher tier talent, but I’ll tell you what, I love what I saw from the GCL team this year – that’s the best group I can ever remember there by far.

  29. Romus, while I am being slightly depressed seeing how far we need to go to get to be contenders, would you rather your brain trust be Theo/Hoyer or Andy/Klentak? And while pitching is very important, we still do not project a #1, even assuming VV, Nola, et al, continue to grow. And someone needs to prove they are even a #2. That hasn’t happened yet. The TOR in 2019 may be Kilome and Sixto!

    1. matt13….I prefer Epstein/Hoyer……if the money is available to them. And this WS team was built with the high picks, ace LHP FA pitcher, great trade with Baltimore and Billy beane’s As, and to some degree a big LA signee in Gleyber Torres.

      1. Epstein did provide a very good blue print on how to build championship caliber team – good scouting (domestic and international), player development, infrastructure (analytics) and utilizing financial capability.

        While McPhail, i think is more on old school talent evaluation and instinct.

        I prefer Epstein’s approach. He showed better creativity in adding talent. McPhail, I think, is too cautious.

        1. KuKo…..he drafted position players in the top ten each successive year
          Baez……….2011……9th pick
          Almora……2012…….6th pick
          Bryant…….2013……2nd pick
          Schwarber..2014…..4th pick
          Happ……….2015…..9th pick
          The finances were there in 2013 for the huge LA expenditures….Torres and Jimenez, and then Soler.
          Pitching came thru FA and trades.
          Klentak.MacPhail inherited a lot better farm system and two players already in place that could be core players in O.H. and Franco.

          1. Romus … your point about Theo Epstein drafting position players with top draft picks is correct, but he doesn’t get credit for Javier Baez. Baez was drafted before Epstein took the Cubs’ job.

  30. Welcome to the new Phillies. The last (big) piece of the last great Phillies team was let go. Phils declined club options for Howie and Morton and Nats pick up Gio Gonzalez (there goes the LHP).

      1. Of course they would pick up the option for that value.

        The question is whether they’re open to trading him given payroll constraints and other players.

        Now there is the option of a Sanchez (Detroit) or Gonzalez (DC) trade for the Phillies. This is about keeping a veteran pitcher in the rotation to help guide the young guys.

          1. Not sure Gio will be traded until they get another LHP starter.
            Baker may not want to go with five righties in the rotation, especially down the stretch in August/September.
            They may dangle some of those prospect pitchers for a guy like Paxton, who is under team control for 3 more years, and then move Gio and his salary.

        1. FA is the best way for the Phils to add veteran presence in the rotation and not lose any prospects which they can use in a trade to address need. Hellboy, Morton (incentive laden) can be resigned and Ivan Nova, Fister and others are possibility.

          I will only trade for Anibal Sanchez if that will fetch a prospect in return (like what ATL did) or as a package to get a bat like JD Martinez.

          The Phils is not contending for next year and possibly the year after so burning prospects for rental is not a sound strategy.

          1. Depends who you can potentially lose in Rule 5 and what room there is on the roster.

            Knapp and Lively are trade candidates today. Herrera, Hernandez, Galvis, and Rupp could be by mid to end of next season.

            1. i think it’s safe to say that Nick, Cozens, Appel, Pivetta, Pinto, Lively, Garcia, Knapp and Tirado will be safe from Rule V. If the Phils will trade any of these players it should be for a legit everyday player that can play in multiple years and not just a 1-year rental.

              Valentin, Pullin, Tocci and Perkins are potential casualties (I hope that Anderson not playing above A+ will be masked from rule V) – these B-Level prospects can be traded to rentals that the Phils can flip come july trade deadline. hopefully, the phils can find another hellboy trade this year.

            2. Now that the MLB season is over, it’s a good time to speculate on the Phillies 40 man roster. Here’s my best guess:

              Pitchers …. Elvis Araujo, Mark Appel, Alec Asher, Jimmy Cordero, Zach Eflin, Jerad Eickhoff, Elniery Garcia, Jeanmar Gomez, Matt Harrison, Phil Klein, Ben Lively, Adam Morgan, Hector Neris,, Aaron Nola, Ricardo Pinto, Nick Pivetta, Edubray Ramos, Joely Rodriguez, Jake Thompson, Alberto Tirado, Vince Velasquez, veteran FA or trade acquisition starting pitcher

              Catchers …. Jorge Alfaro, Andrew Knapp, Cameron Rupp, veteran FA or trade acquisition (maybe AJ Ellis)

              Infielders …. Andres Blanco, Maikel Franco, Freddy Galvis, Cesar Hernandez, Tommy Joseph

              Outfielders …. Aaron Altherr, Cody Asche, Dylan Cozens, Tyler Goeddel, Odubel Herrera, Andrew Pullin, Roman Quinn, Nick Williams, veteran FA or trade acquisition (maybe Colby Rasmus)

              It wouldn’t surprise me if the Phillies lose Jesmuel Valentin or Drew Anderson.

            3. @Hinkie – this is the 40-man I posted in a separate trade almost a month ago. I might change a couple of positions, depending on the available free agents.

              C Rupp, Cameron
              1B Joseph, Tommy
              2B Hernandez, Cesar ###
              3B Franco, Maikel PHI
              SS Galvis, Freddy ###
              LF Quinn, Roman ###
              CF Herrera, Obudel ***
              RF Altherr, Aaron
              BE-C Veteran FA
              BE-INF Veteran FA (Blanco, Andres ###)
              BE-INF Valentin, Jesse ###
              BE-OF Veteran FA (Phils might give Asche another try as LH bat)
              BE-OF Veteran FA (I prefer Cam Perkins here)

              SP1 Veteran FA (probably Morton, Fister or Hellboy)
              SP2 Nola, Aaron
              SP3 Velasquez, Vince
              SP4 Eickhoff, Jerad
              SP5 Morgan, Adam *** (over Eflin or Jake)
              RP-Long Gonzalez, Severino
              RP-Mid Cordero, Jimmy
              RP-Mid Araujo, Elvis *** (or can be Veteran FA)
              RP-Mid Rodriguez, Joely ***
              RP-Set Gomez, Jeanmar
              RP-Set Ramos, Edubray
              RP-CL Neris, Hector

              The 15 players who will start in the minors.

              C Alfaro, Jorge LHV
              C Knapp, Andrew ### LHV
              SP Eflin, Zach LHV
              SP Thompson, Jake LHV
              SP Asher, Alec LHV
              SP Pivetta, Nick LHV
              SP Lively, Ben LHV
              RP Appel, Mark LHV
              RP Garcia, Luis LHV
              OF Williams, Nick *** LHV
              OF Cozens, Dylan *** LHV
              SP Pinto, Ricardo REA
              SP Garcia, Elniery *** REA
              OF Goeddel, Tyler REA
              SP Tirado, Alberto CLW

            4. Good list, KK. However, the one guy you’re missing is Matt Harrison. He has to be on the 40 man roster.

            5. @hinkie – you’re right, Jim and the other posters mentioned that when I posted this. then i guess, Luis Garcia will be the odd man out to make room for Matt Harrison. Although, I can see Jeanman Gomez as a potential non-tender that will save Garcia, then the Phils will sign a veteran RP when Harrison is moved to the 60-day DL.

            6. KuKo….you forgot, did the Phillies pick up Blanco’s option…he may be a FA now.
              Also, why protect 40 if going to draft in the Rule 5?

            7. @romus – i have Blanco (or any player of Blanco type) as a FA signing (or if the Phils picked up his option if he has any). I like Blanco’s ability to flexibility to play multiple positions including catcher. But if they have Valentin and sign a back up Catcher, then, Blanco is expendable.

              @tim – I like Drew Anderson and probably better than most of the B-level RP i project to be in the 40-man. I’m also worried that he can be plucked in the Rule V by a rebuilding team — I’m thinking that the Phils will bank on that fact that Drew Anderson just came back from injury and hasn’t played above A+ so nobody will draft him in the Rule V.

            8. @Hinkie – I made a side by side comparison of our list and it looks really close except for the following:

              Pitchers – SevGon + Luis Garcia vs Matt Harrison + Phil Klein. I misunderstood the Harrison contract and I can the Phils possibly keeping Garcia and moving on from Jeanmar because of his $4M++ price tag. Not fan of SevGon, but with his age, options, increased velocity and opportunity to settle in the big league – the Phils probably found a cheap long relief in the pen.

              # of OF – I have 8 vs 9. You have both Asche and Pullin and I only see one of them making the 40-man.

              # of INF – I have 6 (4 starters + 2 bench) vs 5. I have Blanco and Valentin as the bench players.

              I think both of our list is pretty good. And same as last year, I don’t expect McPhail and Klentak making a lot of crazy deals other than low risk FA signings and possibly trading farm depth for young (but not a stud) complimentary pieces.

    1. My guess is that they will still be open to signing Morton if shows himself to be healthy. I thought he was a great pick-up – showed much better stuff than he had ever shown before.

  31. Jacobs Progressive Field in Cleveland holds approx. 35K people.
    How did Cubs fans almost have so many in the seats, especially for last night’s game?.
    Tickets for this year’s World Series sold for an all-time high. The average price for Game 7 was $2,700, according to TicketIQ, though Forbes reports it as $3,625.
    CNN reports that TicketIQ said it sold more tickets to people from the Chicago area than the Cleveland area. Perhaps this is just a reflection of the economy. Perhaps Cleveland fans needed to pay off their mortgages more than they needed to see a baseball game. Or perhaps Chicago fans were just that desperate to witness a World Series win.

    1. or more cleveland fans were just more pessimistic and thought they would lose? was amazing to hear that many cubs fans though.

    2. I dont think this was a surprise. Cubs fans travel well, and Cleveland is very close by car. And you have to figure that the median salary in Chicago is way more in Chicago i.e. there’s more money in Chicago than Cleveland.

      1. I would think for a game 7 for the Indians, for the first WS ring in almost 70 years…they would at least show up. The on-line price may have been around $3K per ticket….but for season holders it isn’t even close to that much. I think in the lower bowl at the Bank in ’08 it was around $400 per ticket and in the Hall of Fame they were asking for $350 if I remember, but that was 8 years ago.

        1. If you have a lower bowl ticket with a face value of say $500, and somebody is willing to give you $3K+ for it, you gotta consider it. That’s a lot of profit for watching the game at home.

  32. I ‘ve been calling for the Offense all yr we need 2 veteran bats . Funny Zobrist knocked in the winning ran and was mvp. Heyward calmed everyone down during the rain delay . This was Lester 2nd WC he should be fine for next yr. Cleveland is also well set up for next yr. Yesterday proves even the best reliever ‘ s can get hit …….. at times very hard.

    1. Tim….Lester threw almost 240 innings this year up to the last game. He turns 34 in a few months…..I will be interested in seeing how fine he will be, come next season.
      He has thrown over 200 innings for the last 8/9 years for the most part, it eventually ends, as Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee found out.

      1. He turns 33 and yea he pitched alot The Cubs aren’t the reason why he winning .BTW they still have Hendricks who could do it again.

        1. I can see regression for Lester, Arrieta and Lackey. Hendricks might eventually become the top horse of the Cub’s rotation – which doesn’t strike fear to other contenders. on the bright side, seeing the success of Hendricks makes me feel good about Aaron Nola – who I think has similar if not better stuff than Hendricks.

    2. Outside the effect of injuries, the close parity in the NL (in general) and NL Central (in particular) will be the Cubs main hurdle to repeat. STL in the past decade combines excellent player scouting and timely FA signings to stay competitive while the PIT is almost similar to the Cubs with the influx of young talents. On the NL West side – SF is another version of STL and LAD with very good young core, deep farm and almost bottomless pockets will always do crazy things to stay competitive. While on the NL East side, WAS with their mix of young and experienced players and NYM’s rotation. And 2-3 from now, rebuilding teams like the Phils, ATL, MIL, will be in the mix.

      The Cubs, as good as their position players are, are not as scary as the Jimmy-Shane-Chase-Howie-Werth-Burrel combo who unfortunately only won 1 (should be at least 3) World Series.

      1. As much as we loved them, this Cubs team is better than the Phillies’ teams circa 2007-11. This Cubs team pretty much has everything. It won 103 games legitimately without Kyle Schwarber in the lineup. There’s no guarantee they will win another WS or get there again, but I bet they have a run here where they win 2 or 3 – they are the best team in baseball by quite a bit, they have money, they have perhaps the best mind in the business (Epstein) and they have a young core of hitters that will probably continue to improve. I don’t think they are going anywhere and teams will be chasing them for the next 5 or 6 years at the least.

        1. @catch – i’m only making reference to the position players and the bats. and I will still say that the Jimmy-Shame-Utley-Howard-Wert-Burrell/Ibanez is more productive that the Cubs line.

          It’s not saying that the 2008-2011 Phillies is better (which is what i think you’re saying). Obviously, the Cubs will be better — Epstein > Amaro says it all.

        2. I don’t agree here. The Phillies were a NL team with an AL lineup: Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, Werth, Burrell, Feliz, Chooch. That was a big time lineup. That’s better than the Cubs lineup.

          The Phillies pitching was weaker in 2008 but they had Lights out Lidge. In 2009, we got Cliff Lee, and in 2010 we had the 4 Aces.

          Kurt was right, we should have won more than 1 title. But hey, it’s tough to win in baseball. Just ask the Braves how many titles they won after that string of playoff appearances (with Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux).

          1. Uh, no.

            The 2016 Cubs were the superior team on offense and defense compared with the Phillies. The position players of this team produced 37.4 WAR (and without Kyle Schwarber who could be one of the best hitters in the league) versus 29.1 for the Phillies. As for pitching, the Cubs produced 20.1 WAR versus 13.4 for the Phillies. The Cubs had a whopping 253 runs scored/allowed differential (projecting to 107 Wins) while the Phillies had a 119 runs scored differential (projecting to 93 wins). Rose colored glasses won’t help you on this – the Cubs were a superior team to the 2008 Phillies and it really isn’t close.

            1. Statistics are great to see how someone did, they also have proven helpful to see trends on how to build a team. But a team getting hot in the playoffs can not be predicted by statistics. So trying to definitively say one WS team could beat another is just fun to talk about. I don’t know who would have won a championship between the 2008 Phillies when they (were hot) trounced the Dodgers in 2008 or the cubs who beat the dodgers this year, but I do agree with Guru that people, including myself, thought the Phils had a better team on paper in 2009 – 2011, which only further emphasizes that the games are not won on paper. it is still about a team of athletes rising or falling to the occasion.

              If it were all about statistics it would be boring as hell….unless your a math nerd 😉 Sorry to all of those upfront.

            2. We all agree that the baseball playoffs are random and the best team does not always win, which is why Chicago could be the best team in baseball for 5 years and may never win again. And thank God for the randomness, which is why in baseball, unlike say professional basketball, any team that makes the playoffs has a real shot to win it all. That makes it fun.

            3. @remhoward2011,
              No offense taken.
              Interesting, why do they call it a bullpen?
              Certainly there are no bulls of the species Bos-taurus on a baseball field.

            4. i don’t think there’s right or wrong answer here but agree with remhoward. cubs is the best team since day 1 (and that’s consensus) and they just basically took care of business. SF won 3 championship in 5 years and I bet that any of those SF teams pale in comparison to this 2016 version of the Cubs.

              Stats are valuation information and provide strong foundation to make a conclusion. but numbers are only “RIGHT” when it comes to “historical information” but not projecting the future. that’s why they say in sports – “you have to play the game” because you can’t win a championship of paper.

              Jayson Stark of ESPN talk about stats as if it is his 1st language. But honestly, I think I’ll become more knowledge talking with Sal and Johnny (or any scout) than spend any minute with Jayson Stark and his Elias stats.

    3. Tim, good point on Heyward, I think the lack of veteran experience is often overlooked and a necessary presence when you get to the post series.

      1. @jim – agree that veteran presence is important, but that doesn’t cost $200M to get it. Bourjous can provide veteran leadership with defense for a fraction of the cost, Chooch, Ellis and so on.

        I’m not saying that because Heyward looks like the homeless bum in Broad St line that always ask me to spare some change, but the expectation for a $200M investment should be more than that.

        1. How much does Zobrist , Ross , Fowler cost. There SP is very experienced , it’s also better to have productive vets . I’m not saying anything about Cooch or Ellis . A J D Martinez, Holiday, even a Moss is better then Bourjos.

          1. @tim – i’m not sure if you’re getting my point. I’m not comparing stats and not saying Bourjous is great and not trying to compare his greatness to other players.

            My point is – teams invests $$ on players. And if Heyward only provides “veteran presence” and some defensive ability – then the Cubs is not getting much value from the $$ they spent on him. Fowler is probably a better investment than Heyward. For a $200M price tag – that should be a TOR pitcher and/or batting machine.

    1. I would shop Neris. We have so many fringe starters with stuff that could play up in a bullpen role that he seems expendable. OH and VV I wouldn’t move. Both could be 4-6 WAR players next (not that they definitely will, just they could).

      1. Agree with OH and holding onto him for now.
        Velasquez’ possible arm issues always seem to come up in conversation.
        There must something there that makes him iffy every season.
        Understand the shelf-life with TJ, and he still has some ways to go, but he seems to have that injury waiting-to-happen sigma attached to him.

    2. looks like there’s a “Romus” impostor — i thought it was Romus until i saw the name “RoMuse”

    3. Huge implications on trade front if those 3 are in fact available. That should mean a significant position player in return for whatever package is put together. I assume all 3 would not necessarily be included in one trade unless it’s a blockbuster.

      Hold on to your caps! This is what we’ve all been waiting for.

    4. I think the hole article is Phillies beat writer spinning his wheels. The Phillies were last in runs they said they need a veteran bat. They need Bullpen help, and maybe 1 vet Sp That doesn’t have to be Lhp. The need to start trading for mlb help not prospects unless there AAA and almost mlb ready . Right now with the Eagles , Flyers plus Villanova basketball plus Penn st general fans put the on the back burner.

        1. Yes a source it could be a lowlever scout or his buddy for high school. If they do trade them they better be getting mlb players like a Sale etc . I almost bet you they won’t trade them there’s enough CF , sp, Rp out in free agency .

      1. I know Tim doesn’t want to hear this … but Odubel Herrera’s value will probably never be higher than it is right now. I’ll keep trumpeting an OH, Andrew Knapp, Adam Morgan package to Seattle for James Paxton and Joe Rizzo.
        I would really have to be overwhelmed to deal either of the pitchers (especially VV). I’m talking Ian Happ for Hector Neris …. or ….. Gleyber Torres, Blake Rutherford, and James Kaprelian for Velasquez. Obviously, the Yankees would not do that, but the point is … you listen to offers on everyone. You never know when you might get bowled over.

        1. Hinkie…I think Cashman would move Torres and Kaprelian for Vince Velasquez, but not adding Rutherford. Though you may get a lower tier prospect in their system added ilo of Rutherford.
          The one team that can be targeted that really needs pitching help and some position strength is the Angels…..but their farm system is depleted right now.

          1. Are you kidding yanks better include Frazier ,Kaprelain just came off of a serious injury he very high risk .

            1. And … if you’re the Yankees … you’re saying, “Are you kidding … we like VV, but he’s had a history of arm issues (including TJ).”

            2. VV is in the Mlb he just pitched 121 ings .Kaprelain finished 22 ings at A+ he just came of elbow injury.

          2. I also also believe that NYY is a possibility for VV. I’m ok if Rutherford is not part of the package since the Phils has MickeyMo, Stephens, Jhailyn and C down in the pipeline. A package of Torres, Kaprelian + Chance Adams or Dillon Tate + a lottery in Leonardo Molina is a good return.

            1. Man you guys are low ball for VV the Phillies have goals improve the Offense and relief any deal Includes Frazier , Torres not a Sp . Plus NY may be in for Tampa Bay Sp . Remember the Phillies need offense , offense then more Offense.

            2. The reason I mentioned Blake Rutherford (besides the fact that he looks like he’s going to be a big time hitter) is the Phillies seriously considered him at 1.1. Charlie Manuel and Pat Gillick were both high on him. The lower level Yankee prospect I like is their third round pick from this year, Nolan Martinez.
              Like I said … I would prefer to keep VV and go all in on acquiring James Paxton. Roll with a rotation of Velasquez, Nola, Paxton, Eickhoff, and Efflin.

        2. My buddy who works in Vegas said they is no way the Mariners are for a CF . There looking for Sp the 2 guys at the top of there rotation are 36 and 30 and King Felix has a lot of mileage. Plus Paxton Injury history is long it goes back to high school and college. He maybe at the top of his pinnacle this yr. Now the Marines may go for VV or Sixto yes his game in well known now in scouting circle’s.

          1. I don’t know what your buddy in Vegas knows (or doesn’t know) about the Mariners, but I can tell you Seattle has an absolute need for OF help. They have just two OF’ers with any real MLB experience (34 YO Seth Smith and Leonys Martin with a .252/.305/.366 career slash line). Both the Yankees and Pirates have an interest in James Paxton. Those teams will, reportedly, include Brett Gardner and Andrew McCutchen in offers for Paxton.

        3. James Paxton Injury as a pro knee, shoulder strain, Lat strain , triceps strain . Both forearms strained as a result of he fell during agility drills. He also was hit by a baseball in the elbow. There is more to come his college says.

  33. The schedule is out, time to work on my spring training trip dates.
    I checked out Cozens and Hoskins’ winter numbers. Hoskins hit his first homer yesterday. Cozens had 2 hits and is interestingly 5/15 off lefties with 3 homers while struggling off righties. I’m guessing that he’s working on ways to hit lefties. Let’s hope he figures it out.

    1. I don’t agree with you all, I think it’s a terrific move. They got a good veteran bullpen arm who can be traded at the deadline if he pitches as well as he has in the past. The Phils have money and they spent some of it to get a stable arm in the pen. He replaces David Hernandez basically. I like the move.

      1. +1 Assuming the PTBNL isn’t anyone notable, I like the use of payroll room now to get a guy they might be able to flip.

  34. Stupid move by our gm. Even if he is doing great , what the hell you think you will get. Why not spend 6 million in latin market or go after a Cuban player for that kind of money. Romus was right this guy stinks we need a gm who know what he is doing,

    1. rocco…in the words of former GM Sam Hinkie, we must “trust the process”.
      Though finding it difficult to keep the attitude positive.
      GM meetings coming up then winter meetings….maybe some trades coming down the road.
      He may have to tweak and cull the ‘close-to-major-league-ready- prospect’ herd just a little.

    2. Let me break your comment down Roccum. 1 ” Even if he’s doing great ” you were talking Mk the GM of the Phillies. 2 sentences later ” Romus is right we need a GM that knows what he is doing he stinks”. You went a compete 360 in 2
      sentences. That’s the fastest flip I ever seen on a person. I am with you on the LA Cuban market but 6 mil wouldn’t get u much. Pat Neshek isn’t that bad he’s better then luis Garcia, Hermann , Elvis etc the Phillies ran out there last yr.

    3. This move hardly excludes any of the moves you suggested. Klentak continues to make shrewd moves by obtaining players who are universally useful but remain on the bubble of more talented rosters. This is a freebie, with a one year implication. Two thumbs up and a backflip

      1. Klentak has done nothing yet to suggest he is shrewed, Where are the rewards for the great moves? My point was for 6 million you could sign at least two top end latin players. over a maybe he will get us something.

        1. rocco…..not many agree, but Hellickson signing may end up being a shrewd move if he refuses the QO and signs with another team. And the Phillies end up with a pick around 40 to 45 range.
          Morton ended up injured, that’s the risk you take.
          The Giles trade, at first glance seems to be a good move.
          So there are basically two moves he has done that are noteworthy.

          I guess the release of Dan Otero was a good move for Tito and could be considered a minus move on his part.

        2. Roccum – why does assumption of Neshek’s 1-yr contract lead you to believe that the Phillies will consequently be unable to sign high-end latin players? What’s one have to do with the other? Since you’re making a point and all . . .

          1. I just think that’s where I would spend the money. What Is better chance signing a right hand relief pitcher who gets hammer by lefthanders, on the chance for 6 million he gets you a low level prospect. or a top latin player, who has the better chance is my point. Steve they haven’t went over yet in latin market like the cubs. and other teams to get better or have they???

            1. rocco…… are correct…they have not exceeded their international allocations ( at least 13 other teams have with 4 of them labeled as ‘small market teams’ eligible for the Competitive Balance Lottery picks…go figure the MLB logic).
              But they have so far signed some good Latins at very low budget rates….Franco, Galvis, Hernandez, Kilome, Sixto Sanchez, Medina to name a few. The high end guys (>$500K for the Phillies is high end) like Tocci, Grullon, Pujols, Encarnacion, Ortiz, Norales, Bryan Gonzalez have a way to go yet.

            2. ‘The’ money – as if Neshek’s salary was the last dollar they had to spend. They could still do exactly what you prefer. Taking on Neshek’s salary in no wa prohibits this.

              This trade is what it is – a bubble roster candidate on a better roster who is only a bubbler due in large part his 2016 salary. For the Phillies, without much in terms of financial commitments, and with a glaring hole of their own in the bullpen, his 2016 salary is a non-factor because 1. he fills a need, 2. its only a 1-yr commitment, and 3. it sill cost little in return. I assure you, taking on Neshek’s salary has no influence on the dollars invested in Int’l players

  35. The yanks and pirates were in Paxton last yr. read this article Hinkie it say last Nov the Yanks were in trade talks with the Mariners . They talked about Walker not Paxton the writer said this yr different that they should go after Paxton. The Writer said it not the Yanks. The article does say ” Paxton health is a ticking Time Bomb since his college days”. He has manage 172 ings once in his career he’s 27 . 2 he can’t get lefties out they hit at about a .290 chip of him. 3 . 2020 he’s a free agent he’ll be 31 his Agent is Scott Boras noway the Phillies give him a big payday. His injury history , plus he can’t get lhp out , plus being a 3 yr rental for Herrera nah. Sorry Hinkie the need offense not 3 yr rentals.

    1. Tim … we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on Paxton. He’s a potential TOR starter, for me. As far as your “3 year rental” description … that’s an oxymoron. At three years, he’s more like moving in and becoming a part of the neighborhood.

      1. Really in 3 yrs he’s a FA with Scott Boras as his agent . If he’s moving in it could cost the Phillies 100 mil over 5 yrs . Noway he’s worth that for a Lhp that gets bomb by left handed hitting.his injury history. MK isn’t stupid he knows he has better down on the farm then Paxton.

  36. I like the Neshek move. Wouldn’t mind if they even non-tendered Jeanmar at this point. My bullpen so far would be Neris, Ramos, Neshek, Joely, Morgan, Cordero and another veteran pickup – barring of course any trades of the above (Neris?).

  37. The Phillies could try to DFA Neshek before the Rule 5 draft. He may get through waivers due to his $6.5M salary. If he clears waivers, I believe he has the option to accept the minor league assignment or become a free agent. If he chooses free agency, he loses the $6.5M. All the Phillies could lose would be whatever they pay the Astros. I don’t expect that would be very much. They could induce Neshek to accept by offering an opt-out if he isn’t on the ML roster by opening day. They will have the Harrison spot by then. It might be worth the risk to clear a roster spot and protect another prospect.

    1. FrankF…..if he has a good to solid season next year for three months, he could be a July chip to a contender in his last year as a rental. He will not bring back much , but someone has to hit the lottery.

      1. Not that anybody would care, but I’ve just hanged from screen name from FrankF to SWFL Frank because of the apparent confusion with Frankk.

        SWFL is for Southwest Florida, from where I cheer on the Phillies and get to see a few Spring Training and Threshers games. Occasionally make it back for a Phils game at CBP, too.

    2. Its interesting but somewhat counter-intuitive. Not to mention the PTBD risk for what would possibly be nothing in return if he’s claimed. So you want him to clear, so you can remove him from the 40 and clear another spot? But then what? Now you have a $6.5mm RHP reliever at LV?

      I think this move is made with the presumption that Neshek is in the Phillies bullpen on OD, unless he’s flipped to another team of course. In my opinion, his salary is a non-factor for Klentak given the team’s overall salary status for 2017. Klentak wants the asset for what is expected to be next to nothing in return.

  38. I just present my ideas and people can comment however they want, even call them silly. But I find it hard to believe that any team would guarantee a 36 year-old reliever who has trouble getting left-handed hitters out $12M.

    1. How much money do LOOGY guys get? Plenty. What percent of hitters are righty vs lefty? It has to be at least 75% righty. I will say that having Neshek probably guarantees that they’ll try to carry two lefties in the pen. Joeley and Morgan are certainly the front runners but it’s very early. I agree that the Phils will try to improve their pen by adding veteran arms. They know they have young starting pitchers and they’ll try to add one veteran but the pen is much weaker. Neris, Ramos, Gomez, Neshek seem set but a trade of Neris is not impossible if he’s seen as a sell high candidate. Will he repeat what he just did? Cordero, Nunez, and Tirado are arms possibly coming mid season if they do well.

  39. For all we know with his considerable experience Neshek may be a positive veteran presence in the bullpen that may steady the younger pitchers. Assuming that all the veterans, other than Gomez, are gone, its a positive for the pen overall.

  40. I don’t think Gomez is gone at all. I think he won’t be the closer and can still be effective in a set up role. Neshek is a ROOGY as someone said earlier. I think they got him to be a veteran presence and a trade piece in July. I don’t think they are through, either, in adding BP help.

  41. Scott Kingery makes the AFL BA Hotsheet:
    10. Scott Kingery, 2b, Phillies
    Why He’s Here: .400/.500/.667 (6-for-15), 4 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBIs, 3 BB, 3 SO, 2-for-2 SB
    The Scoop: Kingery hit just .250/.273/.333 in 37 games following a second-half promotion to Double-A Reading, so getting more upper-level reps in the AFL will be beneficial. Kingery, who has the short, repeatable swing and strike-zone discipline that should translate well as he continues to climb the ladder. (BB)

    1. Romus, after watching fundamentally sound major league players like Ben Zobrist in the world series, and thinking about the building blocks of the Phillies future, one player that immediately comes to mind is Scott Kingery.

  42. I meant to ask this at the top and it’s prob a dumb question but . . . Will Goeddel be considered a “prospect” since he’s more than likely slated for LHV and really shouldn’t have been on a ML roster last year.

    1. If JimP goes by the MLB rules for prospects, as I think he did two years ago, I don’t think Goeddel is considered a prospect anymore…..was Featherston considered one last year?.

    2. matt13…..”To be eligible for a list, a player must have rookie eligibility. To qualify for rookie status, a player must not have exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues, or accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the 25-player limit period, excluding time on the disabled list or in military service.”

    1. I’d be okay with either on a 1 year deal. Saunders had a terrible 2nd half after a string 1st half after missing last year. I’d like him, even in a platoon, on a two year deal. No compensation due for him either. He could hit 20+ in our park.

      1. i also like Saunders, relatively young and could be a great trade chip. I can see an OF of OH in LF, Quinn in CF, and a platoon of Altherr and Saunders in RF.

        1. Saunders rates as one of the worse defensive OF’ers in the game. I would otherwise have him up there with Rasmus, but I think the ability to play at least a capable outfield is paramount. Rasmus, Gomez, over Saunders for me

          1. Saunders 19th (UZR) out of 24 qualified left fielders in 2016. Rasmus no. 1.

            For me, personally, defensive value with a young rotation is important. It just so happens to also be important if you’re trying to win championships.

            I’m not quite sure what kind of market there will be for Rasmus. I suspect he hangs around until January as teams look for evidence that he’s running at full speed following two off-season surgeries.


  43. Nice double by Kingery yesterday in the all star game. Grounded out 2nd at bat but hustled and made it very close at first. He looks like a player but he has to hit higher at Reading next year

    1. He is in the mold in what Klentak and Alvarez are looking for in hitters….contact, low Krates and higher BB rates producing higher OBPs….and if and when the power comes later, that much better.

    1. I’m not exactly sure if he fought Boog Powell, or if he and Boog Powell fought other guys. If he squared off against Powell, it may have been a real mismatch. The tale of the tape:

      Cozens … 6’6″ 235 lb
      Powell ….. 5’10” 185 lb

      Ouch !!!

      1. read on a mariners site that Powell required stitches. maybe Cozens said something about Powell’s steroid suspension.

        1. I guess DC is heading home now…unless DR law enforcement officials are charging him, or both of them, with assault or disorderly conduct.

  44. Who will he protect and who he will not?
    Matt Klentak has some decisions to be made before Nov 18 and the final 40 listing.
    These 17 players will not all be protected.
    Hollands, Mario
    Garcia, Elniery
    Pnto, Ricardo
    Sweeney, Darnell
    Watson, Shane
    Williams, Nick

    1. And Perkins and Anderson. 9 spots available currently I think although maybe 8 after reliever deal. Multiple guys on this list will be lost. Perkins, Tocci, Canelo most at risk although Anderson could be also. Pujols won’t get selected or go on 40. Too far away.

      1. The risk of Perkins, Tocci, or Canelo being protected is zero. Because the risk of Perkins, Tocci, or Canelo being drafted in the Rule V is zero. Seriously

        I believe we currently sit at 32 including Neshek. That means they can add 8 at most barring another roster move (which there are plenty who can still be outrighted)

        If I were a betting man:

        1. Appel
        2. Cozens
        3. EGarcia,
        4. Knapp
        5. Lively
        6. RPinto
        7. NPivetta
        8. NWilliams

        Not Protected – At Risk
        Tirado (ultimately, I see the Phillies making room to add Tirado. The roster still includes 5-6 players who do not play into short or long term plans and it would be counter-intuitive to put Tirado at risk in favor of another who can be outrighted).

        Not Protected – Not at Risk

      1. Pullin as a 2b would be somewhat at risk. Pullin as an OF is not at risk IMO. I would hate to lose him though

        1. If you’re going to condescend, let’s hear it. Just come at me with something better than a concern for losing JValentin

          1. Steve…who’s condescending?….forgot all about Pullin… I like him but he really is not one at risk of being selected IMO.
            You mention JValentin , of all the unprotected, will probably be selected. His versatility is something that teams would like to have and he has 100 plus PAs at the AAA level. And he is still young.

  45. Steve in Tampa…I believe you are wrong about Perkins. He will be selected by another team and make said team’s major league roster. He is vastly undervalued because he has not necessarily shown the power many would like but he is very versatile [plays all 3 outfield positions], runs well, hits very well and does have some power.

    My prediction is that some team will draft Cameron Perkins in the Rule 5 and the Phils will regret letting him go.

    1. CD – I like Perkins, and I think he eventually gets his first PAs at the major league level this year. But there is absolutely zero, and I mean zero, chance of Perkins being drafted in the Rule V.

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