Post Season Report Card–3B

A look around the system at the production of third baseman.  The Phils will most certainly need to pick up a minor league free agent or two capable of playing the hot corner to fill in the gaps in the short term.

Lehigh Valley

No player played a majority of their games at 3B

Reading

Harold Martinez, 25, Phils 2nd round pick in 2011 draft; .292/.335/.400 in 260AB for Reading; 4HR 33RBI; 1SB; 6%BB/17%K rates; .333 vs LHP; .270 vs RHP; .274 last 30 days; .289 with RISP; 68 games at 3B with 8 errors (.955); 2.47 R/F; 9 games at 1B without an error.  I admittedly wrote Martinez off early in the year, however he came back to play fairly well at 3B and didn’t hurt the team offensively.  Grade: B-; 2016: Martinez has probably bought himself one final season with the organization because of the lack of upper level third base depth and a season that wasn’t awful.

Clearwater

Mitch Walding, 23, Phils 5th round pick in 2011 draft; .233/.318/.315 in 403AB; 4HR 31RBI; 5/9SB; 11%BB/26%K; .272 vs LHP; .213 vs RHP; .333 last 30 days; .209 with RISP; 120 games at 3B with 19 errors(.944); 2.68 R/F. Another disappointing year for Walding who is a career .232 hitter after 1400 plus minor league at bats in the lower levels.  No real power to speak of, was poor with RISP and struck out a lot.  Grade: C-; 2016: The only thing that may save him is the lack of depth at 3B in the minor league system.

Lakewood

Damek Tomscha, 24, Phils 17th round pick in 2014 draft; .282/.368/.417 in 423AB; 8HR 59RBI; 2SB; 8%BB/17%K; .301 vs LHP; .274 vs RHP; .333 last 30 days; 67 games at 3B with 8 errors (.962); 3.04 R/F; 21 games at 1B with 1 error (.995);  Tomscha ended up having a very solid year, coming on very strong in his last 100AB’s.  Solid in the field, he will need to show more power for a shot in the majors one day.  Grade: B; 2016: Give him a shot in Reading.  Walding doesn’t deserve a promotion and Tomscha is a year older than Walding.

Drew Stankiewicz, 22, Phils 11th round pick in 2014; .283/.345/.368 In 375 AB between Clearwater and Lakewood; 1HR 35RBI; 8/11SB; 9%BB/13%K; .234 vs LHP; .304 vs RHP; .333 last 30 days; 26 games at 3B with 4 errors (.946); 2.69 R/F; 24 games at SS with 4 errors (.940); 44 games at 2B with 2 errors (.991). Note: Stankiewicz was listed as a 3B as the majority of his Lakewood starts were at 3B.  A good beginning, horrible middle and excellent ending to Stankiewicz’s season with the middle of his year ending with a demotion to Lakewood and a DL stint.  Back at Lakewood, Stankiewicz came on very strong at years end.  Grade: B-; 2016: He could land anywhere from Lakewood up through Reading.  His versatility is very valuable as he does a good job at multiple positions.

Williamsport

Jan Hernandez, 20, Phils 3rd round pick in 2013; .211/.258/.413 in 213AB; 10HR 35RBI; 5SB; 5%bb/31%K; .218 VS lhp; .209 vs RHP; .209 last 30 days; 57 games at 3B with 13 errors (.910); 2.30 R/F.  Feast or famine for Hernandez and it is more often famine.  He clearly has power but his statistics indicate little progression over his three minor league seasons. He is a career .196 minor league hitter, having struck out in 38% of his AB’s at the lowest levels.  Grade: D; 2016: I suspect he goes to Lakewood with another drop back to Williamsport if he doesn’t produce.

Luis Espiritu, 18, Signed as a free agent in 2014; .200/.264/.242 in 92AB between GCL, WP, and CW; 0HR 11RBI; 5SB; 8%BB/27%K; 20 games at 3B with 3 errors (.936); 9 games at 2B with 1 error; (.980). Espiritu was a spare part at the lower levels.

GCL

Lucas Williams, 19, Phils 3rd round pick in 2015; .288/.400/.331 in 118AB’s; 0HR 12RBI; 9SB; 15%BB/16%K rate; .259 vs LHP; .302 vs LHP; .264 last 30 days; 38 games at 3B with 4 errors (.955); 2.24 R/F.  Not a bad debut for Williams who showed an impressive eye at the plate and good speed but he will have to show more range and more power to stick at 3B.  Grade: B-; 2016: Williamsport

 

67 thoughts on “Post Season Report Card–3B

    1. I’m thinking 3rd. Walding hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire at 3B either. Kyle Martin probably needs to be promoted to 1B.

      1. @ Guru – kind agree with you. Unless Walding impresses at the instructs, the lack of depth at 3B and Hoskins and Martin combo might push the Phils to move Green back to 3B.

  1. Walding and Hernandez came on at the end of the year. That’s great but there are 3 or 4 other months too.

    If Zach Green is a 1B, getting injured all the time is the least of his problems. He used to be tit for tat with Cozens and now he’s an also ran. Like Dugan, injuries are dooming his career.

    Lucas Williams is so much more than I gave him credit for. Gregg hit it on the head. He has to quicken his first step and hit a HR or 5 to be considered a 3rd baseman. What would be his next position LF or RF? I think he moves one level at a time and that gives him time to develop into whatever he will become.

  2. I’m still hoping they try HS SS Cornelius Randolph at 3B in instructional league. It would increase his value if he could play 3B.

    1. “Increase his value”

      For what? Prospect lists? It will also likely slow down his development by a year or two.

      If he continues to hit like he did this year he could fly through the System as a LF, similar to Crawfords path.

      And while I am usually staunchly against make any minor league personnel decisions based on the major league roster (since minor leaguers are usually years away, and you can figure out logjams when these guys prove they are actually major leaguers), in this case why would u switch a potential elite bat in Randolph to the same position as much more advanced elite looking bat in Franco, especially when Franco will could still be in his pre-FA years when Randolph debuts with Phillies.

      Now if Randolph was currently a 3B I wouldn’t be rushing to move him off the position, bug seeing as how they have already determined he can’t play infield, I would just keep him in LF and hope his bat advances him quickly through the system instead of slowing down his progress by making him a 3B and potentially creating a logjam.

      Just my opinion…

      1. “Increase his value. For what?”

        Because playing a position that is higher on the defensive scale makes him better player. It makes him a greater asset. It also lessens the pressure on his bat. An .800 OPS 3B is whole lot better than an .800 OPS LF.
        As for developing at 3B costing him1-2 years: I don’t know where pulled those numbers. Even if it did somehow cost him one (1) additional year, so what. He’d be a 23 year old rookie 3B, instead of a 22 year old LF. Worrying about Franco is shortsighted. Franco could be a Free Agent by then.

        1. Franco won’t be a Free Agent until after 2020 season (or later is the contract is extended). Randolph should make it up before then.

      1. @Matt – Williams will probably be un in 2016 and Randolph will be 2019. Do you think Williams will block Randolph’s call up? coz I can’t see Williams moving to CF or RF and I can’t see Randolph playing other position

        1. Williams has the arm for RF and could play CF if needed, it is also a long time away and either could fail or be traded before then. Not worth thinking about until it is a problem

          1. thanks Matt!! can’t wait for your Rule V article. This Jairo Munoz dude starts to interest me as well as Casimiro and Rios.

    2. If he can play the position, you could certainly make an argument that he should move there. But even if he can, I doubt very much that the Phillies would do it after already putting him in LF.

      I think the Phillies subscribe to the idea that playing a less demanding defensive position allows players to develop quicker and better with the bat. Maybe it’s wrong, but they drafted him because they think he can be a middle of the order hitter and I think their focus is mosty on reaching that goal.

  3. Everybody wrote off Hernandez but he hit almost .300 at Reading. The power might not be great but if he can hit like that then maybe he’s got a shot in the majors as a bench player. How is his glove? Has it improved any? I don’t mean stats-wise. I mean can he stick at third or is he still not good enough? I know he had issues as a fielder in previous years.

    1. Right now, he does not project as a major leaguer in any capacity unless he suddenly improves dramatically. He doesn’t hit enough to make the major leagues as a third baseman or pinch hitter and there will be other utility infielders who field much better than he does and can play third in a pinch (including Andres Blanco – he’s become such a good hitter – who saw that coming?). But he hung in there and is a nice story.

      1. How is hitting almost .300 not hitting enough? I mean if he gets promoted to AAA next year and doesn’t hit as well then I’ll concede that it was just the smaller ballpark but that average is nothing to sneeze at. As for Blanco, that guy has committed how many big errors this season? At least twice in a game I watched where they basically cost the team the game. If Martinez comes up at any point it won’t be until 2017 I’m sure unless he’s somehow a September callup. So to me dismissing him now is as premature as it was when people started to three years ago. Will he ever reach his “Pat Burrell” power potential that got him drafted? Most likely not. But if he’s a decent fielder and a good hitter, he can find a spot on somebody’s bench. He hit almost .300 for an entire a season and .289 with RISP despite that high K rate. Maybe it’s an anomaly but if he hits even .270 at AAA don’t you think he deserves a shot? At least a ST invite.

        Does anybody know if Martinez’s glove has improved at all?

        1. TPhan:

          PA1735……….BA.260 OBP.313 SLG.356 OPS.670
          21%-Krate……….7%-BBrate
          2016-age26 season
          Overaged in AA.
          ……….over his career it is mediocre or he could be challenged at the plate vs more experienced pitchers. His glove may be fine at third however.

          1. That’s normally how I would see it but he hit almost .300 this year and put up great numbers with RISP plus hit both righties and lefties. Like I said, it could be an anomaly but those numbers are impressive for a guy who we thought would never hit .250 above A level. When you add in that he put up those numbers despite that high K level, it either means he has really improved as a hitter and can hit the ball through the holes or he just has a high BABIP and his average is a mirage. We’ll know more at AAA. What we do know is right now he has no power whatsoever to speak of if he only hit 4 HRs playing in that ballpark but if that average isn’t a mirage then he can definitely make somebody’s bench.

            1. You making the mistake of translating minor league BA to the major leagues. Furthermore, it is an empty BA and if one is going to have an empty BA they are going to have to have one or more of speed, positional flexibility or supierior defense, none of which HMart has.

            2. I’m not translating anything. I said IF he can do it. If you hit well enough at AAA, you deserve a shot at the big club. Then you see if he can or not. It’s just dumb to rule the kid out before we can even see if he can hit at AAA.

        2. As a 25 year old in AA? Sorry, that doesn’t translate to anything at the ML level. It translates to AAA at best.

          1. Again, never said it did. I said people wrote him off and then he did that. If he hits at AAA, which is a big if based on his history, then he deserves a shot. And IF he can hit that way at the MLB level, he should be able to find a spot on somebody’s bench. That’s all I said. I’m just impressed that a guy none of us thought would ever hit for average hit almost .300 and put up the numbers he did. So I asked if his glove has improved enough for him to be a serviceable defender. Not sure what you think you’re responding to but it’s definitely not the words I actually said. Sorry.

        3. I don’t mind that you don’t understand how to make heads or tails of minor league statistics, but I mind that you are arrogant and argumentative but what you don’t know or understand. HE DOES NOT PROFILE AS A MAJOR LEAGUE HITTER – PERIOD.

          1. Arrogant and argumentative? You’re the one making absolute statements based on nothing. Maybe take a look in the mirror. How many of us thought Ruf could make it in the majors or that Rupp would ever start hitting? Or Galvis. It happens sometimes. You can use whatever statistics you like but until we’ve seen him at AAA, nobody knows if he can hit or not. Not you, not me. You’re the one who can’t accept that it’s entirely your opinion and responded as if I had said the kid will definitely hit and make the majors.

            As for old? Now that’s funny right there. I’m not even 30. I understand stats just fine, and used them in my comment. I don’t put all of my faith in them though. Clearly you do.

            1. Yes, arrogant and argumentative.

              He’s not an office worker, he’s a minor league baseball player. He’s old for a AA hitter and one with a weak track record.

              He’s 25 in AA – his developmental curve is essentially over and he’s not that good right now. His statistics, when taking his age and park effect into context, show a weak performance and do not suggest that he has anywhere close to a major league upside, particularly as a corner infielder.

              The odds of him being a productive major league hitter are probably less than 1 %.

              You say you understand statistics – but you don’t – at least you don’t understand their significance in the context of a particular player and his projections.

              But go ahead and pontificate – it’s entertaining.

            2. Your examples do nothing to help your case. All three of those players were considered to have a decent shot at being major leaguers. As a solid defensive catcher with some power Rupp’s floor was always considered to be a major league backup. Galvis was an outstanding defensive shortstop but his bat was hard to project because he was always young for the league. Neither is true of HMart. Even Ruf’s floor was higher than HMart’s as a AAAA guy. The real debate there was whether he was a bench bat, a second division regular, or the star he was at Reading.

              It has to do with a lot more than just stats. It has to do with scouting, projection, age/level, and more. None of this favors HMart.

            3. @TruePhan – you posted in the thread yesterday that “you are watching the Phillies since they finally got off of Prism and put the games on non-premium channels and following them since ’93” and your not even 30? Technically it’s only 22 years but still it’s sound unlikely.

              Sticking to the argument, I think some fans like me view “a legit MLB player” differently. IMO, a legit MLB player is someone who can play everyday (starter not bench player) and performance at least minimum on an average. Ruf, Rupp, Galvis has beed around for years playing professional baseball (minor league is also professional baseball) and their career stats and skills set are below an average MLB player, thus, I don’t view them highly. They can be MLB Bench players but definitely not everyday starters.

            4. I wasn’t even seven in ’93. I went to my first game at the Vet in I believe 92? Spent most of my childhood there like everybody else I grew up with. The Phillies went off Prism in the late 90s/early 2000s. I was in middle school. If that’s not believable to you well that’s your deal but that’s the truth. Favorite player was Dykstra. Loved the Vet, especially those helmet ice cream sundaes.

              You view a legitimate MLB player differently than me because I watched so many bad ones. Bench guys are legitimate players.

            5. @TruePhan – now i can see our difference. No offense to you, but I think i just set the bar higher since I don’t view the MLB bench players like you do. I also start to set the bar higher with pitchers particularly with RPs – like if you want to be a average MLB RP you should throw at least 2 average pitches with a fast ball no lower than 92 mph. of course, RP with elite command/control can get away throwing 91 mph and below, but for me 93 mph should be average for today’s MLB RP.

            6. I’m the same way with RPs. To me you need a sharp fastball with some movement and at least one biting pitch like a slider, and you need to throw at least 93, maybe 92. I think Buchanan would make a good reliever if he can fix his control issues. His fastball has good movement and is sharp when he’s commanding it, and his cutter is fairly tight. Plus I think his velocity would go up to say 94 maybe out of the pen, which is perfect for a long-reliever.

            7. And by the way, I think you’re forgetting that there are different kinds of bench players. There’s guys like Jeff Franceour who was supposed to be this superstar outfielder for the Braves and eventually ended up on our bench, and then there’s career bench players who bounce between AAA and the majors. That’s what I see Hernandez as… at most. That’s his ceiling to me. Not an MLB regular.

          2. I can’t see anywhere where he made that statement, all he says is that if he hits like that in AAA he deserves a shot at the Major League level to see what he has. Nobody really knows how someone reacts or hits until he they actually have to do it. Not even you catch.

            1. That’s the thing. Even if he hits like that in AAA (unlikely with his BB and K rates) with no power nor speed nor superior defense that is not a major leaguer. Think Steve Susdorf.

            2. You’re talking about a player who’s average with the glove, doesn’t hit for power, and can only play 3B. And he deserves a shot as a backup? Most backups can play multiple positions and usually have a decent glove. It would be better to give retreads a chance like Andres Blanco than Harold Martinez.

            3. Exactly. Thank you. These comments are ridiculous. I understand stats and projection just fine. I also understand it’s not always right.

              @Catch22 Martinez was drafted to be the future third baseman and one who had major power. That was his ceiling. It didn’t happen. Rupp didn’t hit very well and looked like a lost prospect until a year or two ago. Do you not remember that or something? Everybody had given up on him. He was drafted a year before HMart. Like I said, it happens.

            4. TruePhan, I don’t think anybody thought Rupp was a prospect. Everybody knew that his glove was going to get him to the majors. And the bar for catchers is much lower than almost any other position. If you’re decent with the glove and average with the stick, you can hang around on a major league roster as a backup for a long time.

              And he got real lucky when the Phillies traded away Kratz, opening up a backup spot for somebody.

              Who knows if Rupp can continue to hit. But because of his glove, he would eventually make a roster somewhere.

              There are no such projections for Harold Martinez. Now, does that mean he can’t succeed once he got to the majors? Of course not. Stranger stuff have happened. But with Franco looking like the long term solution at 3B, and Galvis and Hernandez being able to play multiple positions, I’m betting that if Harold Martinez finally cracks a MLB roster, it won’t be with the Phillies.

            5. Actually Rupp was supposed to be a power hitter, like double digit HRs. His bat got him drafted, and his defense needed work. Then it became the opposite.

              If Martinez can hit like this at higher levels and become an adequate fielder, that’s a bench player to me.

        4. It’s his first time, I think, hitting over .300 and it was a weak .300 at that. As far as defense is concerned, Martinez isn’t in Blanco’s league and he can play multiple positions. Martinez was drafted based on his Jr year homeruns at Miami. He’s never come close to reaching that power and has been overmatched most of his minor league career. He would probably need to start mashing before anyone would take notice. But, because he picked it up this year, he’ll probably get another look. Not sure if he’s a rule 5 guy this year, but I can’t see anyone taking a major league flyer on him.

          1. @11 – 2015 will be HMart’s 2nd yr as Rule V but i don’t see any team pciking him up. There’s a chance that Phils might lose Perkins or Rios or some RPs than HMart. He will play in AAA but he’s an org filler to me for now.

            1. @11jcj – personally, i want the Phils to protect Y Rios for rule V. He can be the long men from the pen and can be the spot starter. Ramos, Cordero, Quinn are easy locks. Lino for me is 50-50. I also like to protect Jairo Munoz, then Rios or C Murray.

          2. It’s the fact that it is his first time hitting .300 that makes me take that stance. Plus his L/R splits and his RISP numbers.

        5. Yes, he hit .292, which is almost .300, but I must say that I cringe inside when somebody says something like ‘how can he not be good, he hit almost .300’. Well, easy — batting average is one of the worst single stats you can throw out to measure a hitter. Yes, he hit almost .300, but he didn’t walk enough, so is OBP is only .335 and he only hit 4 HR in 260 AB, so his OPS is only .735. And, he’s 25-years old. A .735 OPS at the offensive-friendly atmosphere which is Reading, for an over-aged corner IF is nothing to write home about.

          1. But look at the L/R splits, the RISP numbers, and the high K rate. To me that suggests either a high BABIP aka his average is a mirage… or his contact is that good.

    2. That’s Jan Hernandez Jim talking about a guy in Williamsport. Not Cesar Herandez . Cesar shouldn’t be at the left side of the Diamond for to long. His defense plays the at 2nd.

      1. Never mind It’s Martinez Which I can’t believe anybody would waste a comment on. He’s a true minor league player.

    1. Or… It’s a bad sign for him, in that they didn’t require Tocci, Hoskins or Canelo to go. Only new guys, Catchers and Pitchers it seems.

    2. I saw it as a good sign for him that they think he’s worth the trouble to work with. He’s still only 23 and still has the pretty swing. Unfortunately, the results have been terrible. One thing I know about the Phillies’ minor league instruction and that’s that they don’t spend much time mid-season changing guys’ swings. They wait and do it in the Instructs. They don’t want the guys to be blaming their coaches for bad seasons. I’m hoping that Walding has a critical flaw, like Pujols, that can be corrected with good instruction and lots of practice.
      As for Randolph, they love his bat and I think they think he can get to the majors quickly riding that bat and staying in LF. I’m pretty sure they don’t see him as an infielder. He’ll start next year at LWood but hopefully end the year at CWater. If he really moves quickly, he could start 2017 at Reading and end the season in Philly after a stop in LHV, although 2018 in Philly is more likely. If his bat holds up!

    3. phils needs depth at 3B that’s probably why they want to take a closer look at walding considering walding will be exposed to rule V this year but i doubt any teams will pick him up.

    1. i heard some rumblings that Lucas Williams is the next Mike Trout. I don’t buy it but I’m crossing my fingers. So far the 2015 Draft Class looks like a success!!

      1. Chalk up another nugget for Ruben!
        This guy could get a 5-year extension, they way he has been leading this farm resurgence. (tic)

  4. Given the lack of 3B depth, especially at the upper levels of the farm system, I guess that they will be keeping Cody Asche around for a while, one way or another.

    1. That and the lack of OF depth on the MLB Phillies guarantees at least one more season for Asche in Philly.

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