Box Score Recap – 7/17/2015

Clearwater (52-40) lost to the Palm Beach Cardinals 2-0.  Victor  Arano and the Cardinals’ Luke Weaver were locked in a pitchers’ duel for seven innings.  After the Cardinals posted a first inning run, the two pitchers combined to limit batters to 4 hits through the end of the seventh inning.  Neither pitcher walked a batter.  Their low pitch counts and the need for only one coach’s visit to the mound per team, accounted for the game’s short duration (2:17).  Weaver flirted with a perfect game into the fifth inning.

Arano pitched seven solid innings.  He gave up a run on a hit batter, 2 bloop singles, and a line drive single in the first inning.  He settled down after that and held the Cardinals to a couple singles over the next six innings.  He struck out five and walked none.  The stadium gun was erratic again and I lost over 25% of the pitches thrown.  Arano threw 89 pitches (he threw 23 in the first), 65 for strikes.  His FB wa 90-94, T95,96 once each.

Yacksel Rios came in to pitch in the eighth.  He gave up a run before recording an out.  Rios walked the first batter he faced.  A single moved the runner into scoring position.  A sacrifice bunt was executed, and catcher Willians Astudillo went for the force at third.  His throw sailed into foul territory and Rios was faced with second and third, one unearned run scored, and nobody out.  He pitched out of the jam with a ground out, intentional walk, and a 1-2-3 double play.  Rios stranded a lead off single in the ninth, but two runs was enough for the Cardinals pitching staff.

Cardinal starter, Luke Weaver, took a perfect game into the fifth inning.  He struck out the side in the fifth, but Astudillo had lined a two-out single to center.  Weaver gave up two more hits through the eighth inning and was lifted after the final hit (a dribbler behind the mound) after 7.2 innings.  The Threshers managed only a walk over the final 4 outs of the game.

Rhys Hoskins, Astudillo, and Chase Harris each went 1-3.  The Threshers did hit a couple balls hard, particularly Hoskins, Malquin Canelo, and Andrew Pullin.  But they were either just foul or hit right at somebody.  The Cardinals made a couple great defensive plays to take hits away.  Astudillo threw out a base stealer in the first inning.

Lehigh Valley (41-52) and Jesse Biddle beat the Rochester Red Wings 1-0.  Biddle allowed 3 hits over 7.0 innings.  He walked one and struck out seven.  Adam Loewen picked up his 6th save.   Aaron Altherr (.310) went 2-4 and scored the only run on a Jordan Danks single.

Reading (50-42) beat the New Britain Rock Cats 7-3.  Jerome Williams made a rehab start and threw 7.0 innings.  He allowed 2 runs (1 ER) on 5 hits.  He walked none and struck out five.  Tom Windle struck out 2 in one inning, but gave up a run.  Kelly Dugan (.331) went 2-4 (singles) with an RBI.  Harold Martinez (.301) went 2-3 with a HR (3) and 2 RBI.  New guy Destin Hood went 2-4 with a 2-run HR.

Lakewood (46-44) beat the Rome Braves 5-4.  Elniery Garcia went 6.0 innings and gave up 3 runs on 9 hits, 2 HR.  Calvin Rayburn blew the save but got the win.  Matt Hockenberry picked up his 8th save.  Herlis Rodriguez (.309) went 2-5.  Scott Kingery (.256) went 2-3 with a triple, walk, and 3 runs scored.  Kyle Martin (.395) went 3-3 with a double, walk, and 3 RBI.  Cord Sandberg (.259) went 1-3 with an RBI.

Williamsport (207) swept the Batavia Muckdogs 4-3 and 8-0.  In game one, Jose Taveras got the win while Robert Tasin pitched two innings to get his 6th save.  Austin Bossart went 2-3 with a HR (1) and RBI.  Jesus Posso went 2-3 with a double and 2 RBI.

In game two, Mitch Gueller opened the game with 2 walks.  He pitched out of the trouble and, after he was handed a 6-run lead, attacked the Muckdogs the rest of the way.  He allowed just 5 more base runners on 4 hits and a walk while recording a seven inning complete game.  He struck out six.  The Cutters relied on the wildness of the Muckdogs pitchers to score 8 runs on 4 hits and 7 walks.  Gregori Rivero went 2-2 with a double, walk, and 2 RBI.  Wiliam Cuicas went 1-3 with 2 RBI.

GCL Phillies (17-5) rained out.  Will play 2 at the Braves Saturday.  First game at 10:00AM.

DSL Phillies (24-18) lost to the DSL Royals 5-4.  Nerluis Martinez hit his 4th HR.

VSL Phillies (23-30) lost to the VSL Tigers 4-0.

Here’s the affiliate scoreboard from MiLB.

Extra Innings –

  • The 5:00PM deadline for signing draft picks passed without any additional signings by the Phillies.  They signed all of their top 10 picks.
  • Philadelphia Phillies sent RHP Jerome Williams on a rehab assignment to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • OF Destin Hood assigned to Reading Fightin Phils.
  • Reading Fightin Phils released OF Drew Heid.
  • Lehigh Valley IronPigs placed SS Edgar Duran on the 7-day disabled list. Fractured right toe.
  • Phillies Sign Erik Kratz To Minor League Deal
  • And there’s this from Steve Adams at MLB Trade Rumors – “Joel Sherman of the New York Post is surprised by the number of executives he’s spoken to that feel the Phillies will not trade Cole Hamels this summer, barring a no-brainer offer. Sherman says that many within the industry feel that new Phillies president Andy MacPhail may wait until the Winter Meetings to shop Hamels, as he’ll by then be more comfortable with the scouts that are giving him advice and have input from a more functional analytics department.”

99 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 7/17/2015

  1. Hey, yer Erik Kratz! (Sorry. Had to.)

    Not sure why they signed him again, but hey, he gets to play for his hometown team once more. Good for him. LHV has 3 catchers already; is he going to be a mentoring role or something? Doubt he’ll get too many AB’s with Moore, Lino, and Forsythe there, though I imagine there’s gonna be some roster crunch/cuts on the horizon.

    Nice start by Biddle. I’m cautiously optimistic about it since these starts have happened before, but I wonder how he’ll do now that Burris is his pitching coach.

    1. My hope is that maybe we found a taker for Chooch. Rupp catches everyday and Kratz mentors him on the big league level. Rupp would benefit from Chooch’s tutelage and then Kratz’s. With Kratz and Rupp being built similarly, Kratz can help the kid along.

  2. A little disheartening to hear that Hamels might not be traded until after the season. It’s not good for him, his family, or us minor-league-aholics. I was licking my chops on some of the names getting thrown around.

    Herlis Rodriquez and Scott Kingery are 2 months apart in age. Herlis has been in the Phillies organization for 5 years and Scott less than 1. Some are calling Kingery a top 10 guy and Herlis is chopped liver. I take a wait and see attitude about guys who are in their first month. A guy with 5 years experience has shown a lot more. I’m not picking Herlis over Scott in a head to head match up but let’s not anoint a guy pope quite yet. Let him get his feet under himself and then have a meaningful discussion. Hewitt and Greene Jr. launched themselves to top 10 discussions in their 1st year or two and we all know how that turned out.

    1. That’s the difference between being a 2nd round pick and being an unheralded amateur signing. Herl Rod has apparently never been a guy who’s impressed with his tools and even this year if you dig into his stats a little bit you see a guy who’s being propped up a bit by a potentially-unsustainable batting average.

      Not to say he isn’t worth tracking, but at this point comparing him to Kingery is like apples and oranges.

    2. I think we panned both Hewitt and LGJ pretty heavily. Nice things were said of LGJ, based upon his Phillies scouting report, but I recall the view was almost entirely negative at this point in his first season. You hit on the problem with Herlis: it is his 5th year in the Phillies system and he’s still at Lakewood. Up until the pas twelve months or so, his stats haven’t been all that much — perhaps he truly has turned the corner. Yes, at 21 he’s still relatively young, but that’s still slow progress for a serious LA prospect. Compare to Tocci who is at CLW in year 4 at age 19. Galvis to CLW in year 3 and age 19. Herlis doesn’t walk enough, hasn’t show much power — although it’s ticked up this season, isn’t a base-stealing threat, and isn’t an outstanding defender. There is a reason he isn’t viewed as a top 10 guy and it’s not simply a matter of the size of his bonus. In the ‘there is hope’ department, Carlos Ruiz didn’t hit CLW until year 4, but he was 23.

      1. Look in to his stats he never was given an every day chance until now . he seems to have a plus arm and the speed to play center. He’s has some power too not that he’s a 5 tool stud but someone that’s flying under the radar.

  3. I am leaning already to my sleeper next season…. Victor Teodoro Armas Arano.
    I think he can dominate the FSL….assuming he starts there.

  4. Arano has been pretty consistent of late and could have a bright future. The Gueller start has me encouraged too. However the Biddle start has to get everyone juiced. Way to go kid!
    The Kratz signing COULD be insurance in case they find a taker for Chooch, which is probably unlikely though. Dugan with two hits again, it’s a broken record but he needs to go up. Also there’s no where to send him but Martin is too good for Lwood (and too old). Altherr with two hits. He’ll be up soon!

  5. Great for Biddle. A huge confidence builder. Keep it up.

    WPT starts the game in one of the more weird situations. Five straight walks. All score. In fact, they scored six runs in that inning on ONE hit.

    Martin and Kingery with awesome combined game. 5-6 with 4 runs scored and 3 rbi’s for Lakewood.

  6. No, there was a signing. Outfielder Reggie Wilson signed. In all, the Phils signed 31 players, a very good haul.

  7. Yep , wanna see back to back good starts from Biddle, but its a good sign maybe the advanced coaching is helping.
    Once again please replace don brown with Altherr, its been long enough for both, just outright release brown, promote Dugan to LHV.
    Kingery coming on strong, and like already said Martin is hitting almost.400, gotta advance him somewhere , needs to be challenged.
    jpc in a little slump lately, but not worried..

    What’s the report on Taveras at Williamsport? I know he’s already 21, but he is a hoss

  8. BTW, I would rather wait til the winter meeting to trade Cole than settle for a sub par package now

    1. Steve I think that would be the smart thing. Some may think this is crazy but if nola comes up and is real good. team him with Hamels. and Morgan. next year, in off season add couple of bats. and we could be decent. while we wait for others to develop. why take secondary players for Hamels. I just don’t see why. we can afford him. He is a top of rotation guy, and is still imo young enough to help us get better faster, it will depend on the development of Crawford. Effin, Atheer, Dugan along with nola and bullpen piece windle. I love to see pap go for the simple reason he is a bad image for us as a city and team with his rants. Plus the 13 million can be used on a bat for next year.

      1. Valid points Roccom. Next year will be a writeoff no matter what happens. The best case is Nola, Morgan, and Biddle all earn starting spots saving the team lots of dollars to eventually use elsewhere.

        Why would you settle for a subpar package headlined by A level guys?

        By the start of next season a number of the solid arms in the GCL and WIlliamsport will filter their way up to Lakewood and so on up the ladder.

        The package needs to be highlighted by a AAA talent not a bunch of A ball players.

        The Phillies would be trading their best assets for fifteen cents on the dollar.

        1. There is nothing at all wrong with high quality prospects from A-ball. I definitely don’t require the package be headed by a AAA guy. That sort of ‘major-league-ready requirement’ has gotten us subpar packages in the past. In fact, I’d prefer that the head-liner in a deal not be above AA. High-ceiling, reasonable probability guys from farther down the farm are a great way to go. Margot is in AA, Devers in low-A and I’d love to see a package built around them.

    2. Not I…strike while the iron is hot.
      One sore arm between now and before end of September means any deal is kaput….he is shut down and then have to wait until next season all over again.
      In the famous words of the great closer/part-time philosopher Paps…..’do it or get off the pot’

      1. Romus my point and maybe I didn’t explain it the right way. I refuse to take lesser prospects. What is the difference if cole gets hurt versus us taking low rated prospect. If I am reading it right all we would be doing is adding players with little chance to be allstars. and giving up one of the hardest things to find anywhere a ace lefthander. Sorry its a move that would set a precedent that we are a organization that will take less if you wait on us. rather lose cole with a sore arm than establish us as a push over. just my opinion

        1. You have put your finger on an issue which most posters seem not to be aware of. Giving in too easily – just to get a trade done – infects the bargaining process down the line. Similarly, walking away from a prospective Hamels deal because we don’t get enough from it makes it clear to future trade partners that we will insist on getting good value in a trade.

          BTW, the former lawyer (I’m retired) in me objects to the use of precedent in that sense. In law precedent means something you are required to pay attention to. (That’s one reason – among many – there will never be a Nobel prize in law. It’s a field where the less original you are, the better). I’d use “established a pattern.” But that objection is just my being anal compulsive.

      2. I don’t see any reason to believe that the package would be better in the off season – historically, the biggest premiums are paid at the trade deadline – this is because teams can add selectively where they need the help. And of course, he’s one torn tendon away from being untradeable. They just need to find a way to get it done. if he were 28 or 29, there would be an argument for keeping him around, but at 31, he’s too old as a pitcher to take that chance. They need to get a decent offer and move forward.

        1. I tend to agree….there are no guarantees that a better offering will take place after September
          What happened to Cliff Lee could very well happen to Cole Hamels.
          rocco…..and taking ‘lesser- prospects’…..one premier prospect should be the norm which all GMs, sans Ben Cherington, seem to understand. Ruben’s past stance, from what I understood, was he wanted two plus another ‘B’ younger-prospect

            1. Cliff Lee’s problem was that he didn’t get surgery when he needed it and knew he could ride out the string and collect a lot of money without going under the knife. It really wasn’t an age thing – he needed that surgery last year and he still needs it if he wants to pitch. I’m a huge Cliff Lee fan but he did not do everything necessary to get back and pitch. I lost a lot of respect for him.

            2. I think he weighed the odds knowing the chance for a full recovery was slim. So he decided to collect, rehab, and hope for the best knowing the slim odds of a post-surgery comeback were slim.

            3. Cliff Lee was a good player……but he purposely avoided the surgery.
              it was recommended by the medical staff as the best option.
              Incidentally, he has been a no-show in Philly for all the benefits ….even those run by Utley, Hamels, Howard and the ALS event.
              I wonder why he elects to not attend these events?

            4. Now thats comical…you think the fans who go to the games and attend benefits for worthy causes…..are odd.
              But a player, who the Phillies paid well over $100M for the last 4/5 years, does not attend teammate’s benefits nor any community events it appears….but you say the fans are odd.
              Interesting thought process.

            5. Actually, I find the thought process behind you post even more bizarre.

              Who cares what Cliff Lee does in his retirement? He has no obligation to do anything related to the team. If the guy has a family that is more important.

      3. If you take a lesser deal now why didn’t you take the lesser deal from the Red Sox in March or April?

        It makes the trade even worse when you know that you could have moved him earlier this year for similar prospects.

  9. There’s an argument to be made for pushing all of Stassi, Hoskins and Martin up a level to man 1B at AAA, AA and A+, respectively, for the remainder of the season. These are college bats — no need to treat them with kid gloves, IMO.

    1. Way to go Jesse. Watched Morgan pitch for Phils last night. Except for start in LA he has been very effective. Do we still consider him a prospect or has he graduated. Based on his AAA results this year, I am very surprised by his Major League success. Feel he could be potential #3

      1. Morgan is a potentially decent pitcher, but right now he probably projects more as a 4 or a 5. He lost about 3-4 MPH on his fastball as a result of the surgery. As you watch him pitch, he see how good he could have been (or could be?) if he pitched with just a few extra MPH. He knows what he’s doing out there but he’s kind of a soft tosser right now. I’m not too much of a fan of soft tossing pitchers, even lefties. Shoulder surgeries are odd, I’m not enitrely ruling out the possibility that next year Morgan comes back throwing harder. I’m not counting on it at all, but it’s more than possible.

        As for Biddle, I watched some of his outing on MiLB.TV. He pitched well, but he’s not dominant right now. As for what changed. First, he threw his change better. He’s locating his FB better and is trying to throw it with more of downward plane and he’s working in and out better. But he sometimes tries to sneak a high FB by a hitter and he has just enough velocity to do that. On his curve, it looks like he’s pulled back a little on the break so he could get better control, probably a good idea. He struck guys out, but he wasn’t really dominant last night. Last night he had the look of a potentially solid contributor.

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        1. Yeah, watching Morgan last night, even though he was effective I was thinking that he’ll need to locate his fastball better if he’s going to have long-term success with the stuff he has now. Matt noted on twitter than his velocity diminished a bit as the game went on. Hopefully he doesn’t have that problem next year. His changeup looks pretty good and his slider solid, so I think the secondary pitches are up to par.

          1. It’s not just that the velocity diminished during the game – it’s that it’s not very good to begin with – marginal at best; sitting 87-89, touching 90. That’s not very good and if all of these guys we drafted over the last two years stay in that same velocity range, they won’t be very good either. I don’t think this team is or should be in the business of trying to use second round picks (Imhof) to draft 4th and 5th starters. That’s how losing franchises operate. With 7th round and later picks (Leibrandt), that strategy is perfectly fine.

            1. I agree about his velocity. Like you said, there may be a chance that he rediscovers some of his lost velo, but it’s not likely. It definitely limits his ceiling, but a guy, especially a lefty, can be a back-end starter throwing 87-91 (as long as they don’t lose it as the game goes on) if they have good enough command and secondary stuff. I think Morgan’s secondaries are good enough if he can spot the fastball where he wants it, but I didn’t think he was really spotting it last night.

              I get the reluctance to draft guys without higher ceilings in early rounds but Imhof was supposed to sit 89-91, not 87-89. And we don’t know what the team’s evaluation of him was. Maybe they thought he could be a #3 with some development.

    2. I agree…..college bats need to be upwardly force-fed thru the system up to the AA level….then the fork in the road occurs for them.

    3. I would push them up — they are all performing at least reasonably well and their is a black hole at 1B in Allentown. For all that people rave about him, Stassi’s stats really aren’t all that good for a Reading 1B and he is old for the league.

  10. Hopefully Nola’s promotion lit a fire under Biddle…its like when im running at the track and some young punk passes me

  11. When does Ortiz turn 17 (or has he)? Isn’t there a rule about playing before they are 17? If so when will he turn 17 and when will he get an AB? Where will he get that AB in LA or the USA?

      1. Arauz hit a home run today. Cozens is leading off for the GCL Phils. Smoked a liner to the first baseman his last at bat.

        1. SSS, of course. But …

          Arauz is having the best season for a 16-year-old since Domingo Santana (with half the strikeouts). His OPS is .820 — nearly 200 points higher than Tocci’s at the same age/level. At a glance, he looks like a 16-year-old middle infield prospect with a mature approach, power (.188 ISO) and an idea of what to do with the bat.

          I have a feeling we’re going to be talking a lot about him in the next year.

          1. He’s listed as 6 ft. 147 lbs.

            Wonder if this still holds true … If so, maybe some power projection as he gets older.

      2. I believe a player has to turn 17 before the end of the season to play in the GCL. Arauz will, Ortiz won’t.

  12. I do not understand why Don Brown is still with the Phillies, when we have at least one or 2 outfield prospects that should be at least given a chance at the major-league level

    1. Welcome to Amaro land – where the past and the present are the same thing. Essentially, Brown is the ultimate symbol of Amaro’s failure – if they cut him it signals just how many things they’ve done wrong (as if we needed any more reminders). But Brown is an atrocious baseball player right now and has been awful for a year and a half now. Why they don’t just tell him to scrap his obviously useless swing and go back to the old swing where he wagged the bat and really drove the ball? I think the coaching and professional development of this team needs a major major overhaul. I wish they’d fire Colonel Sanders McClure right now.

    2. I’m not at all sure that Altherr and Dugan wouldn’t benefit from some more time in the minors and there seems little reason to bring them up before either September or a Revere/Francouer trade. Remember what big #s Asche put up in AA and AAA and what his #s are in the bigs today. As you point out, same for Brown. It’s not always an easy transition, most don’t do what Franco has done.

  13. As far as big mouth goes , er paps goes, I’d say just cut him if they can’t get a trade done by seasons END…
    He ain’t worth the aggravation to keep him on the team.

    1. You could send him home….you have to pay him either way.
      Keyshawn Johnson was sent home from the Bucs awhile back.
      And didn’t Andy Reid send TO home in 2004?

    2. the bigger question would be, if you don’t get a trade done, can you pull him out of the closers role and put Giles in, so Papelbon’s 2016 money doesnt vest, or would he be able to file a grievance if that was done?

      1. You can do that if you can take the heat from the union. I wouldn’t send him home. He is still saving every opportunity he gets. At worst, if he can’t be traded without sending more $ than the Phillies are willing to send, with too little prospect talent coming back, I’d place him on waivers and see if he is claimed. Perhaps someone will and we can just wave goodbye.

  14. Marco I thought the same thing, I looked up his stats today. I Think they are getting him his 4 and half years in majors so he can get a pension. Because if that isn’t it, I cant think of one thing that would warrant him getting at bats in the majors. I will be really pissed if he is in the lineup when nola pitches, that kid deserves a better option than brown. to help him win.

    1. Greene’s break wasn’t long enough.

      As far as Papelbon: I don’t blame him for wanting out, nor do I blame him for thinking it. The only thing I have a problem with is that he’s SAYING it. He’s not wrong, obviously, but teams will look at that when they decide they want him as a trade candidate. If things start to sour on his new team, is he going to pull the same song and dance that he’s been doing here?

      1. Guys, pap just wants to win. Yes he has a big mouth but by all accounts he’s been a great mentor and teammate and he’s been fantastic in the field. Release him? You guys must be drunk if you think they’re going to release him. There’s no chance of that. As for Dom, he’s playing for the same reason he’ll have lots of teams bidding for his services when the Philadelphia release him after the season and that’s because he hit 27 homers previously. Power is so hard to find that teams look everywhere for it. The Phils want to make sure they give him every chance they can to rediscover the magic.

        1. Fine, but what makes them think he can “rediscover” the magic in the majors when he can’t even hit in the minors? Their blind optimism is fantastical.

      2. I’m not pointing fingers at you, because I’ve not seen you say this, but it is amazing in general how many fans and media figures say that the GM, manager, and players should just speak the truth — until they do. Then the fans and media get all upset and make a big deal about the inappropriateness of the truthtelling.

        1. Oh, I know. I had this conversation last night on Twitter. Criticizing Papelbon for it is fine; he is a bit of a douchebag, for sure, but he hasn’t exactly endeared himself to the fanbase, especially with the crotch grab. The problem lies in how the rest of the team would be treated if they said it, Utley in particular. He’s still Saint Chase, so it’d be perfectly alright if he decided to say the things Papelbon has.

          I think the problem is that Papelbon is “an outsider”; basically, he wasn’t a member of the 2008 WS win team. Or it’s just that Utley can do no wrong in this city, short of murdering someone. I’m not sure what the reason is, but all the same, it’s stupid.

          1. Very true comments. In reality, the media just looks to make a story out of whatever. They simply take the contrary view to cause controversy. If RAJ said Chase would start when he was healthy he would have been wripped for benching Cesar. Can’t win with the media.

          2. Why Utley can do no wrong….beside his determination to win:
            Player Career WAR
            Chase Utley – 60.7
            Mike Schmidt – 107
            Richie Ashburn – 63.6
            Robin Roberts – 83
            Steve Carlton — 65
            …..even those unawaree of analyticals can tell the difference.one he ranks in the top five of Phillies players.

  15. Just throwing this out as an example.

    Let’s say the Phillies move Hamels to the Yankees for Judge.

    Revere and Paps get moved as well.

    Next year the team will be bad but it will have Cubs and Astros type hope.

    You get Asche-Altherr-Judge in the outfield.

    Franco-Galvis (placeholder for Crawford) – Herrera – Howard (?) in the infield with Ruiz (?) behind the plate.

    Nola-Morgan-Biddle in the rotation.

    Quinn may be up in 2017 and Stassi could maybe supplant Howard.

    Yes they would be bad with all of the young talent but you have a lot of young players going through a maturation process like the Cubs and Astros with significant amounts of money to spend.

    By 2018 you are looking for those final pieces with Kilome and the number one pick hopefully in AA or AAA.

    1. I find it amazing you persist on insisting Herrera will be at 2nd base in the Phillies future.
      It is baffling to the enth degree!

      1. 1..2B is his natural position.

        2. Utley will not be here next season.

        3. Cesar is not a long-term solution.

        4. It is not out of the question that Herrera battles Cesar for the position in Spring Training.

        It is only until Kingery is ready.

        1. The only reason the Phillies became interested was after Herrera moved to CF during winter ball . Why would they return him to 2nd base for 1 yr or maybe a half a yr . Nobody has said Cesar will be here next yr. When Crawford gets up to the Majors the phillies will move Galvis to 2nd until Kingery gets there. Why would the Phillies in there development of Herrera as a center fielder do that ? The Phillies could have give Herrera some time at 2nd right now , Cesar in a 1 for 23 slump. Herrera hasn’-t looked
          That bad in CF it’s the learning curve. He would be in AAA this yr if he wasn’t a rule 5 guy in which he’d be a starter getting regular at bats.

          1. I agree Tim.
            Herrera has been groomed for CF…..Phillies select in December and ensure WVL manager keeps Herrera playing in CF until ST starts. And if Roman Quinn does not get healthy and stay healthy, Herrera will be there for many years, especially if Ben revere is traded this season.

    2. I believe they will send Herrera back to either AA or AAA to get the at bats he needs to be a better MLB player.

  16. Take note on Kingery: he started out very poorly at the plate which, to me, was not expected. I believed he’d move rapidly up the ladder and be ready for MLB in 2 more seasons. But the poor start was disappointing to me, even though it was only first 8-10 games.

    But then I took another look. I note that he has been moved to #3 in the batting order which is a place for a high oba with some significant HR power. He was not known for his HR power during his college play where they had him hitting leadoff. He was good there with high oba’s with lotsa 2 and 3 bhs AND a high percentage of successful stealing bases as well as manning 2nd base in a superior manner.

    So, I began to think that Phils’ coaches were working to add some power to his swing…thus a slow start. Confirming those thoughts, I see that he has been moved to #3 in the lineup….which means that they are inducing the higher power instead of just the in-park power.IMO, they are looking to make Scott a high BA, OBA and HR #3 hitter. Were he to get to hit 20-25 dingers plus excellent 2nd basing a high OBA he would move into All-Star status.
    IMO, that is what is going on with him…Good!

    1. that would be interesting. while i understood the pick of Kingery, i was a little disappointed in using a high second round pick in a hugely important draft to get a second baseman with very little power, expected to start in a couple years, when he’d be in a lineup with Crawford and probably Quinn in center already as your probable top of order guys (and who knows if any power other than Franco in lineup) with hitters and pitchers with higher upside ability (albeit younger and further from the majors) available. made me think back to picks of Imhof and Liebrandt last year.
      i did see a post from a guy who had seen him alot in college and said 4 of his 6 college homers were 400 plus foot bombs, so maybe there is some power in there that can be unleashed, though im somewhat skeptical.

      1. If a power hitter is the only thing you need on a lineup full of good hitters you can go out and get that in free agency.

        If that is the only piece you need in the field you are in better shape than most teams.

        1. David….any suggestions of whom this power hitter is going to be in free agency that will be available?

    2. Kingery in his interview with Jay Floyd, Phoulballz, a few weeks ago, did not mention the coaches trying to alter his swing for power. In fact he said that he has been pretty unlucky up to that point, and that they seemed fine with his approach and swing.
      But maybe you have later information on that.

    3. Wow, a lot of speculation in this post stated as fact. Moving Kingery to 3rd in the order doesn’t confirm the Phils’ coaches were working to add power to his swing, or that the coaches are “inducing the higher power”.

  17. The thing about moving Hamels in the winter is that while some teams are likely not interested (Dodgers/Yankees/Cubs) as they will just buy a Frontline starter and save money. The high salaries for Greinke/Cueto/Price/etc… could make Hamels that much more in demand with teams watching their payrolls. Assuming the Phillies put in $10m a year and make him a MUCH cheaper alternative.

    1. That’s a very good thought. The Phillies are getting close to being in Sixers territory in terms of having payroll room. This should be completely about acquiring talent. If they can get significantly better talent by eating salary, then do it dammit! I don’t think that would be the case with the Dodgers but it might be with another team.

    2. I doubt it. Teams slurped up Lester and Scherzer this past winter and gave Hamels a pass. Now put in $10 mill a year and Hamels is traded — this past winter, now, next winter. I conclude that the Phillies have never offered to throw in $10 mill a year.

      1. I think if the Phillies had put in that much Hamels would have started the season as a Ranger. My hope is McPhail hires a younger/more intune GM who recognizes the changed landscape and the price of prospects and gets them to put in that much. There are very few opportunuties to spend money on young talent in excess. You can do it in international amateur signings and then be locked out two years.

        The yearly way is to buy prospects from low payroll teams by either absorbing bad deals (Like Atlanta getting Toussaint from Ari) or by trading one of your vets who even though he may be a fair/bargain that only applies to maybe the 1/3 of teams willing to spend 20m or more on a FA.

        1. A new GM will spend money that RAj wouldn’t because it will make the original deals look bad. Hamels’ deal needs to be VERY competitive to get a team to also include a top prospect while paying him. The same situation exists for Pap, Chooch, and Howard. All over priced deals.

      2. They slurped up Lester and Scherzer because they didn’t have to give up prospects to do that – that’s the problem with trying to trade during the offseason; teams have the ability to acquire talente without trading talent – no such option exists at the trade deadline. I’m not saying the Phillies offered that money; I’m saying they should.

  18. watched the LV game and Biddle had the curve going for sure.

    I also watched the Lakewood game, will the manager get suspended as he got tossed after the ump called a clear strike a ball in the 9th, which was ball 4 instead of a strikeout and it put 2 on with 1 out instead of 1 on with 2 outs. He really let the ump have it, you could clearly seem him dropping F bombs and it looked like he bumped the 2nd base ump.

    It was my first time seeing Elniery Garcia but I was impressed, seemed to have some movement on his pitches. Herlis Rodriguez, Scott Kingery and Kyle Martin all looked good at the plate. Kingery is a little smaller then I was expecting for some reason. Martin looks the part though, will be interesting to see what he does going forward.

  19. Talking to one of the host families in Williamsport. From what I’m hearing if a few of the players (no names mentioned) don’t get their act together they’re going to be released for misbehaving off the field.

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