Box Score Recap – 6/27/2013

Box Score Recap

New face in the GCL – it’s top pick JP Crawford. Some decent pitching from Wright and Stewart tonight. Maikel Franco sitting at .500 after a 3-5 night, including a triple.  He’s kind of impressive right now.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130627

6-27-2013

 

104 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/27/2013”

    1. The Lee scenario seems a bit optimistic and I don’t think there’s much of a chance of Paps landing in Detroit without Castellanos coming back in return.

      I stopped reading at the Chase Utely scenario though. Michael Taylor (Yes, that Michael Taylor) and Sanburn would be an incredibly weak return. Sanburn was a reliever when he was drafted in 2012 (2nd rd) and hasn’t pitched in 2013 due to shoulder injury after being converted to a starter by the A’s. Big surprise there. Phans are generally overly optimistic when it comes to the return they stand to obtain for a given player, but in this case I’d ask why the Phils would even entertain such an offer. I’d rather they keep Utley (a guy I am otherwise adamant that we deal) and make him a Q.O. at end of season rather than trade him for Taylor and Sanburn.

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  2. Why would anyone want Taylor. Bleacher report must be run by the guy on here who is always saying trade for Michael Taylor.

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    1. B.R. has had some interesting reads in the past. And ‘interesting’ in this context is not used as a compliment. I’m sorry I clicked the link to be honest

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  3. Fun fact: Maikel Franco has as many triples in 2013 (3) as Roman Quinn. There’s really not much left to say about Franco at this point except, “Wow.”

    Severino with a nice debut in Lakewood: 4 IP, 2 H, 6 K, 0 BB. He continues to intrigue.

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  4. Serritella with 13 BBs (4.5%) and 74 (25.4%) Ks in 291 PAs. For a 4th rd pick out of college who was known for his hit tool, and playing against younger competition, his season has been quite the disappointment.

    Forgive me for saying but HMart has had himself a pretty good June. K-rate is down considerably and other peripherals moving in the right direction. Will be interesting to see how he performs from here on out. K-rate is so very important when evaluating these kids. Other factors to consider obviously, but K-rate is right up there.

    Severino – lol. What else to say? Hopefully they give this guy a long look at a starter. I have a feeling he’s more of a JRod type than a true prospect but the remarkable results are difficult to ignore.

    SSS notwithstanding, Zach Green is emerging as the clear standout of the Williamsport bunch. He’s been taking his BBs lately and the K-rate has come down as well. He’s crushing right handed pitching but struggling a bit against lefties. I suspect he hasn’t seen a whole lot of left-handed pitching in his career. By the way, he bats right-handed. Of note – eleven of his twelve hits on the season have gone for XB’s. Read that again – it’s not a typo

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    1. To be fair, Serritella has shown some improvement each month. Still disappointing I know, but he may have just been overwhelmed by the double jump.

      Servino…very impressive. Always nice when a pitching prospect comes out of nowhere.

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    2. Steve…though sss, you forgot Mitch Gueller’s strong start. Have not yet seen any comments from the poster who wanted him to be switched to an outfielder.

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      1. Well posting that now would just destroy that poster’s narrative. Wait until Gueller struggles a bit.

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          1. I thought, although I could be wrong, that the poster who railed so hard against Gueller was our silly, old friend who posts crazy diatribes against the team every now and then.

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  5. I really wonder, how aggressive the phillies would be with franco. If he continues to hit, like he is right now, would he get a invite to training camp next season. Would they move him to lhv for last month of season, does he go to afl? I have never seen him play, I can only go by what is written about him on this thread . Just wondering, if they move slow with him, or fast track him.

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    1. I think they’ve already been aggressive considering he finished 2012 at Lakewood and is now at Reading. Spring training invite next year? Absolutely. LHV this year? I would say no. But if’s he’s hitting .350 come August perhaps he gets a look.

      As far as AFL – I’m not sure as we’ll need to consider those players who will need to be protected and they may get priority over someone like Franco. We’ll probably get a better idea of AFL candidates later in the year.

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          1. If I remember, use to be a rule about a foreign-born player from a country that has winter ball could be ineligible for the AFL.

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            1. I think that’s still true. I was just about to post and say, why send him to the AFL, he’s already set to play winter ball in the DR I’m sure.

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  6. I see that Logan Moore and Chace Numata continue to do what they do at the plate. Still don’t see how either made the all-star game. I know Moore has a high percentage of runner caught stealing, but a .190 BA! He’s as close to an automatic out as you can get. As for Numata…….yeah, he’s has thrown out more runners than anyone else, but look at how many steal attempts there have been. I am betting he’s also been stolen on more than anyone else. His dismal performance at the plate the last month has him down near his career BA.

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    1. There’s 12 teams in the FSL. 6 teams in each division. That’s why those guys were all stars.

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      1. Mike Compton told me two weeks ago that Logan Moore is the best defensive catcher in the system, that he has been unbelievable behind the plate this year, and that’s why he sticks in the lineup.

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        1. Better than Rupp? I remember reading the article linked in one of these chats the org loves Rupps defense and if Moore is comparable or better that will buy him a lot of time to develop the bat.

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      2. From Heels on the Field:
        In high school Logan Moore played third base. It was then that he realized he wanted to play professionally. “That’s when I started to get more serious.”2013 will mark the third season that the twenty-two year old has been a catcher. But in that time, he’s grown in confidence behind the plate. “My defense is my strength.”

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  7. SSS but I’m loving Dylan Cozens’ OBP at .417. More walks than Ks. Slugging will come around with more PAs. He seems to have a good idea of the strikezone.

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    2. I agree with this. Nearly twice as many walks as Ks in the early going. Hopefully the strikeouts stay down as he starts to hit more.

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    3. just replace Cozens with Larry Greene and this is last year. Not say they both will have the same career just reminding people how excited we were with his patience last year.

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      1. True. The one difference I’d point out is that Cozens showed in-game power with a wooden bat in the GCL last season (.186 ISO, 5 HR).

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        1. yeah remember LG did not have GCL because of contract negotiations. Side note I love the new signing date so teams don’t lose a year of development with kids.

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            2. Apparently Phillies love drafting and signing former football players ie, Larry Greene, Dylan Cozens, Logan Moore, Joey Martoranto. Perhaps it is their aggressive nature.

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            3. They like toolsy athletes who haven’t necessarily played a ton of baseball (and generally fall to them in the draft). A lot of these guys are football players.

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            4. if memory serves me correctly i believe both Greene and Cozens onlyu played HS Football their Jr. or Sr. year.So i am not sure they are football players enticed to play baseball like Brown. Or just big athletes that Divison I football programs love. Remember lots of guys get recruited to play football. Ike Reese only played as a Sr. in HS and got a scholarship to Mich St,.

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            8. Football players have speed and strength aplenty. It’s the hand-eye coordination that’s lacking. It gives scouts pause to see a caveman dragging his club to home plate.

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        2. And the other difference is K rate.

          It’s a non issue at this point. If he still has no HR a month from now, then maybe we start to worry a little (but even then not much).

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          1. true and you get my main point of for both it is way too soon to pass judgement on either kid because they both have a lot of growing to do. And Cozens just hit his first tonight so I take back everything and he is now in my top 5!!!!

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    1. Someone in another post said they talked to him after a game and said he’s starting to feel real comfortable with his new swing

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      1. I talked to him before the double header in NH two days ago, let’s hope he keeps it up. I would however temper that optimism by pointing out he’s kinda sorta repeating AA for the umpteenth time so his prospect status is very much on life support.

        However, if he were to OPS near 1.000 for July and August that might by him enough rope to sink or swim in a final chance at AAA next year with reasonable optimism.

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        1. He’s a non-prospect at this point to me. Kinda harsh, but with all his problems (injury and off the field) he shouldn’t qualify as a prospect anymore.

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          1. It’s not an exceptionally harsh judgement and there’s certainly merit to regarding him as a non-prospect given his issues. I was being charitable when I described his prospect status as ‘on life support’, but he hits like that for another 2 months and he’s worth one last shot if for nothing else as a nice trade chip.

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        2. He had a really good stretch right before he got pulled from a game for lack of effort, put in the number 9 hole, and went into a funk. He has toyed with his ability so long I hope he has realized that he is pretty much on his last chance. He has to improve his approach to his profession or he will soon looking for a new one.

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        3. Phil, I wonder if the Dodgers felt the same about Victorino when they didn’t protect him. He and Gillies have similar skills and temperament. Shane turned out to be pretty good.

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          1. That’s an interesting comparison, although I’d disagree about their temperaments (Shane has always been VERY popular with his teammates). Vic spent significant parts of his age 21, 22 and 23 seasons in AA (Las Vegas). Gillies has done the same for his age 21, 23 and 24 seasons (22 was lost to injury). Vic struggled there until age 23, when he OPSed .955 and earned a promotion to AAA. With Gillies, injuries and suspensions have been more of a problem than anything.

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  9. Could Franco and Z Green be one and two on BA’s prospect hot sheet this week? I say let Asche and Franco battle it out in spring training for starting third baseman.

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    1. I doubt they’d put a short season guy that high on the Hot Sheet. Franco should get high billing, however, considering he’s dominating the toughest promotion in the minors (A+ to AA).

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      1. In the Phillies’ system, the toughest promotion for a hitter is from Reading to Lehigh Valley and it is not even close. Recent history is littered with prospects who cruised from Clearwater to Reading, but struggled initially or even failed after being promoted to Lehigh Valley (Ruf, Overbeck, Rizzotti, Mitchell, Hernandez). That being said, real elite hitting prospects should smoothly adjust to that promotion as Asche has (he really has done just fine and he is still improving) and I am sure Franco will.

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        1. I believe you are correct in that being the toughest jump, but I remember Dom Brown saying he found AA to be more difficult then AAA.

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        2. Catch, You slipped Hernandez in there. Actually, he has done well in LHV after an initial setback. This is his history. I see him as a good defensive up-the-middle prospect, for who it will take a bit to adjust to the majors. I was impressed by his hitting during his “cup-of-coffee” this year. Do you really want to include him?

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  10. Shutout/complete game by Seranthony Dominguez yesterday in the DSL. Severino Gonzalez’ work against a really good hitting team is very impressive, as was Feliberto Sanchez in GCL. Lots of good pitching with Stewart showing some of the promise. I am glad to see Willie Carmona doing well.

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    1. Joseph has basically had a lost season due to the concussion and other injuries. What he’s hitting at Clearwater in 25 at-bats means nothing.

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    2. Its a rehab assignment. Players usually don’t hit well on those things, even big leaguers.

      My biggest concern with Joseph is the concussion, not his rehab assignment performance.

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  12. Thank you Phillies, for not being the Sixers. I’m still in shock from last night. At least when the Phillies decide to blow it up (in about a month), we’ll have had ample time to stew on it.

    As for the minors, Gillies should probably be moved up soon. Once Jiwan comes back somethings gotta give. I think I’m one of the few that still has high hopes for Tyson. Pretty much all he needed to do this year was stay healthy. So far, so good.

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    1. The Sixers are actually probably doing the right thing, but basketball is an entirely different universe than MLB in terms of team building. In basketball, if you know what you are doing and you time things right, you are absolutely rewarded for sucking – and I mean really, really sucking – at the right time because, unlike baseball, entire basketball franchises can literallt be rebuilt around one or two players (high draft choices or free agents) and, in the talent pyramid the difference between a true star and a very good player is enormous – way larger than baseball. As such, the best strategy, and one the Sixers’ very sharp GM (words rarely associated with that team) is now employing, is for the team to spend a couple of years acquiring young, immature talent that will build a talent base for the future while losing games now. It will probably culminate with free agent acquistions made right as the team is ready to contend. It is all designed to take the franchise out of the endless cycle of mediocrity in which it currently finds itself. In the NBA, the worst thing you can be is just below average – that is where the Sixers were for years and it is the road to basketball nowhere.

      In baseball, everything works differently, although occasionally, well timed sucking can work (see the Nationals).

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      3. Yeah, it’s funny. I was thinking about why I favored the Sixers’ trade but don’t favor a Lee deal (unless the offer is overwhelming), even though conceptually the deals are similar, and you articulate the major reason why.

        And I think your comment is relevant for that reason, albeit perhaps more appropriate in the general discussion thread.

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      5. Don’t get me wrong, it was the correct move. I was just totally blindsided by it. The face of the franchise gone in the blink of an eye with no warning whatsoever.

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        1. There was warning. The team finished out of the playoffs. The coach and GM were both gone. We knew change was going to happen. Might as well have kept the old management if the course was to be same-old-same-old. We didn’t know who would be gone, but I wouldn’t say totally blindsided that something drastic happened.

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      6. How is this equivalent to the Abreu ‘trade’. The Phillies got absolutely nothing for Abreu and threw in Lidle as well. It did provide some salary flexibility, but then we got absolutely nothing of value with the salary flexibility when we acquired Eaton and Jenkins.

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    2. I think Sixers fans have had time to stew on it. Like, for the last 10 years or so. This has needed to happen for a long, long time. I am sorry to see Jrue go though.

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    3. I still like Gillies as a prospect as I hope he finds a way to put it all together since he’s got a lot of tools to work with but something always seems to derail him.

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    4. Btw, for any sixers fans out there, or really phillies fans too, that libertyballers site is by FAR the best blog out there for the sixers, and their mentality is nearly identical to the one here at PP…

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      2. Never even heard of it, thanks for the recommendation. I’m a Sixers “fan” but haven’t followed them like the other Philly teams since Iverson left. I was looking for a site to read some educated opinions about last night…

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  13. One thing jumped out at me from last night’s box score…Miguel Sano’s batting average. I clicked on his name and drilled into his stats so far in AA. Remembering that he is a top 25 prospect, and seeing the huge difference in how he is adjusting to AA vs. Franco and I felt even better about Franco. I mean comparing the two stat lines is not even close. Sano has been a strikeout machine. He isn’t hitting much either. I understand it is a small sample size, but that’s not my point. My point is transition. Clearly Franco has handled this transition extremely well. And an elite prospect like Sano, is a great data point to remind us how big of a transition this jump is.

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    2. I won’t lie, I feel competitive when discussing the Sano v Franco comp… mostly because Franco is OUR prospect, instead of A prospect. lol

      But you’re right, they both came up to AA at nearly the same time at a very similar age. (8 months apart), playing the same position. A couple of points here though.

      If Franco has ++ power, he’s going to have to prove it at the major league level before it’s recognized. For a variety of reasons, scouts just don’t see it (they still see + power, just not ++).

      Additionally there are some open concerns about Franco’s plate discipline, It looks to be about average at this point, not a knock on him, but Sano looks like he may have elite plate discipline.

      Last point, if they finish the year and Franco destroys AA with an OPS around 1,0, he may get as much attention as Sano in the off-season top 100 and could very easily be in the top 25.

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      1. I’m not an expert on this, but it seems like it should be possible to go from having average plate discipline to having very good or elite plate discipline through repetition. I realize that recognizing a pitch is complex, and god knows I couldn’t do it, but it seems logical that it would be one of those things that if you were reasonably good at doing, you could get much better at doing. So I’m not too worried. The kid is 20!

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    3. you won’t find many players who have handled AA transition like Franco. I think what has me most excited was Eric Longenhagen analysis of his swing. It’s worth reading again:

      “The swing isn’t perfect but I think it’s fantastic. The hands load deep, a bit past his back foot. That’d be a little too deep for most guys but Franco’s arms are long enough that his front arm doesn’t bar, it stays loose, and he has more than enough bat speed to make up that little extra distance his hands need to travel. The bat path is flat bu with Franco’s bat speed it’s one that’s still conducive of power. It stays in the hitting zone for a good amount of time. Franco also has one of the most efficient, perfect weight transfers I’ve ever seen. His whole body acts as one as he shifts his weight, rotates his hips and triggers his hands to get violent on baseballs.”

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      1. Jason Parks from BP was talking about Franco’s swing on twitter yesterday. Almost the exact opposite of Longenhagen. Says he’s got the bat speed but too many moving parts and very unbalanced.

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  14. .337/.386/.581

    Franco’s line since July 1st last year (577 PA)

    26 HR
    41 2B
    5 3B

    12.8 K%
    6.6 BB%

    I can’t remember the last time we’ve had a right handed impact bat of this magnitude come through the system.

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  16. Is it me or has Tyson Gillies added some serious power to his game? HR #6 this evening and all have come in the last month I believe…

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    1. Maybe the new swing worked. Let’s hope so. I’d written him off but I’d be happy to be proved wrong.

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  17. Mario Hollands should just gotten his ticket punched to travel to Reading. His Ks to BBs–yes, he is almost 25 and in high A–is terrific (about no BBs and many Ks). He should move up sooner rather than later to see if he could come on as a lefty reliever…at least.

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    1. That real ratio is something like 54 Ks vs. 12 BBs. Worthy of inquiry and potential help soon?? Try him…we could like him.

      No reason to keep him at Clwtr; UP to Reading, please.

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  18. Zach Green really impressing me. If he gets his SO down he will be handful.
    OPS 1.172
    BB% 13 (up from 4 last year)
    SO 30%
    OBP .385

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  19. Jason Parks from BP is at the game tonight, it appears from twitter. Lots of questionable phrenology about Maikel Franco’s swing–apparently he swings “out of his ass,” in which case, waiter, I’ll have the ass that he’s having–but the big news is that he seems to have developed a major crush on Gillies. 2HRs tonight and a circus catch. Although … I’ve been down this road before, during a couple spring trainings, and it’s only led to heartache.

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    1. Set aside GCL in 2010, Franco has generally hovered around 13-14 percent K rate. That’s not swinging out of your a$$.

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  20. Yeah, it was just a joke, I think there’s a lot of dubious pseudoscience when it comes to all this talk about swing and pitching mechanics. Sure, there are guys at the extremes who do something really wrong, but I’m skeptical that someone (no matter how experienced) can look at Maikel Franco play a couple of games and discern some problem with his swing, especially when by all objective measures that swing has been very, very effective.

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