Box Score Recap – 6/26/2013

Box Score Recap

Larry Greene’s on a 7-game hitting streak right now, with only 4ks in those 7 games. He’s OPSing .904 in his last ten games, and .717 in June. Greene shoots, you might say.

Oh boy, that’s bad. But no one complimented my killer “Steven Golden Sombrero” line yesterday, so today you get “Larry Greene Shoots”. Deal with it.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130626

6-26-2013

 

166 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/26/2013”

  1. Congrats to Johnathon Knight, I know his Mom I believe frequents here from time to time so always worthy of a shoutout.

    Decent start by Musser, him and Walter both got decent bonuses but haven’t done the greatest. I believe Walter has been hurt for the duration of his tenure and Musser has been in and out of action. Still hoping one can start moving up a bit.

    Maikel Franco is kind of good I think. Anthony Hewitt is teasing again.

    Without Williamsport though, its hard to look at some of these boxscores for something exciting. Thankfully there’s Franco.

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  2. * Franco move to reading making phillies brass look really good right now. On Fire!
    * Biddle had rain delay after 2 innings in his short start.
    * Reading is embarrassing
    * Richard Bielski sighting. Anticipate nice line from him this year in GCL.

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      1. Hi Matt, I read that the kid who pitch yesterday for gcl phillies , was 6’8. do you know anything about Randi Casimiro?? ty

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      1. I read it, paused, and then began to bang my head against my desk. This continued for 3 minutes.

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  6. What are Hanzawa’s tools like? all 40 or something ? he seems to always do at least ok , and being old for his league or team really counts before AAA , so now that he is there, and is as old as many other player or younger , can he play in the MLB in some form or another from what he currently shows?

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    1. He can’t be worse than MiniMart….right? And he does play a decent short so he has that going for him. I don’t think he’s AAAA material, but if everything breaks right for him (rash of injuries) he could get a cup of coffee.

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    1. I thought I heard he was on the DL but I see he’s on the GCL roster and listed as active. There are 17 pitchers on the GCL roster though. They can’t all be active for every game. But to answer your question, I have no idea why Frankie has started.

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  8. Has Crawford played yet this year at GCL? I see Hernandez and Trey are splitting time at 3rd but have not noticed Crawford’s name yet.

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    1. Pujols-ian. Seriously it will be interesting to see how he adjusts when the league starts pitching around him.

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  10. After a somewhat slow start to the season, Asche has an .813 OPS since April 18. He’s also hit in 23 out of his last 27. He’s just quietly getting it done and the possibility of a MY trade and an Asche callup is one of the things I’m looking forward to the most.

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      1. Apparently Riggs before MYoung goes, Brian’ shut the f___ up ARod’ Cashman wants Ruiz for the Bronx.

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        1. Interesting. I have to go look at the Yanks prospects. Wonder what they have that would entice the Phillies to do a deal. Although trading Ruiz at this point is the definition of “sell low.”

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          1. Cashman drives hard bargains…..probably guys a few years away…they have loads of RHPs in the second tier…maybe a JA Ramirez ( and yet another Ramirez) or Raph DePaula. Cashman does not give up much for a rental. Ruiz and maybe even Utley/Young would be rentals. Textiera is done this year and ARod is pissed, so Cashman wants to bring some excitement back to the Bronx with good character players with plenty of talent/experience.

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            1. That’s a little harsh … Gillick was able to pry C.J. Henry away for Bobby Abreu. 🙂

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            2. Oh yes, forgot about the Kansas Blue Jay basketball player!
              Ruben, as we all know, does not give players away for nothing! 😉

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            3. If Cashmen drives hard bargains. We are in big trouble. look at the Pence trade, Wade held out for. Santana as ptbnl. and got him. If Wade could do that to amaro. just imagine what a gm like Cashmen will do. We will most likely pay all of the contracts of young and ruiz and utley, and get a low a ball 27 year old dh type.

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            4. Wait, is Cashman looked at as an above average GM in the game? I always thought of him as mediocre because money covered up a ton of his mistakes.

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            5. I agree it is hard to rate GM’s like Cashman. The money they get to spend means they can make a lot more mistakes than other GM’s without that kind of money.

              It is one of the reasons I think RAJ is hard to evaluate at well. He gets to spend Top 5 money on MLB salary…but is he a Top 5 GM? That is a question that would trigger much debate.

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            6. “Is RAJ a Top 5 GM” shouldn’t trigger any debate at all- debates need two sides, and Amaro gets less performance for more payroll than almost anybody else.

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            7. Well, I certainly don’t think his is Top 5. I think he is average. His best moves have come with him writing the biggest checks…checks that very few teams in baseball could even afford.

              But I also don’t think RAJ is the buffoon some fans in Philly suggest he is.

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            9. That’s ridiculous. You can’t compare a situation in which the Phils were buyers to one in which they could be sellers. Why would RAJ be so desperate to trade Ruiz, Young and Utley that they would take on salary for a bag of balls? Utley and Ruiz in particular are candidates for qualifying offers and potential comp picks, so there’s no way that would happen.

              Honestly roccom, your Chicken Little thing is getting old.

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      2. They should be able to do close that well, I’d guess. Young plays a fair third base, (not winning any awards or anything, but he’s not a complete disaster, and the arm is strong and seems to be pretty accurate), where Thome was a DH only. Young’s D probably balances out a good deal versus how much of an impact bat the Os were expecting in Thome.

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        1. Thome only made 1 million. Michael Young makes 7 million. Michael Young will not get the same value as Thome in a trade.

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            1. I think the next 60 days are going to be very interesting. It is possible we will see the Phillies throw in far more money in trades to try and get back top prospects to re-stock the farm system than they would have spent between 2006 and 2011 combined just drafting overslot HS kids and paying them like other top market teams did.

              Nick Castellanos is just one example. He could have been bought for $3.45M in 2010 draft, but the Phillies passed on him because his asking price was “too expensive” and he wasn’t going to sign for slot. Now there are rumors suggesting the Phillies trade Paps AND throw in $10M to $15M to the Tigers for Castellanos (and maybe something else).

              I am all for the Paps for Castellanos trade…this system does need more top prospects…but I would see it as at least partial confirmation of a massive error in strategy by the Phillies FO in the way they approached the draft over the last decade pre-2012.

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            2. This again?
              1. 30 other teams passed on Castellanos, (some multiple times) before he was drafted #44, by the Tigers.
              2. If they would have taken Castellanos they wouldn’t have Jesse Biddle now.
              3. Hindsight is great, when you can choose to remember that you would’ve preferred Castellanos to Biddle, but forget the other overslot guys everybody wanted, that Biddle is now better than (Renaudo and Allie).

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            4. Castellanos was the guy I wanted in 2010. But I agree Biddle has been a fine pick in his own right. Although I have to say, it is common knowledge Castellanos was passed over due to his bonus demands. But your logic is flawed at several levels. This is not meant to sound rude, but I have heard your response before and it is a lazy one thrown out there by staunch defenders of the Giles / Montgomery approach (why some fans feel the need to defend their approach I will never understand).

              Teams may have passed on Castellanos, but they STILL took high bonus overslot prospects, they just didn’t want to take one of the most expensive ones (which Castellanos was). For example Boston passed on Castellanos and took Garin Cecchini in Round 4 for $1.3M. We took Bryan Morgado. And do you really not see the flaw in your logic when you lump the Phillies in with small market, low budget teams who passed over prospects like Castellanos? The small market teams aren’t the Phillies competition for a WS. Teams like Boston, Detroit, Texas, New York are. My criticism is not from inside a bubble. It is based on comparing what the other big market teams did to what the Phillies did. It is called benchmarking.

              But Castellanos is just one example. There are many others. If you don’t know that by now, you either haven’t been paying attention (to the math) or you don’t care. Either way, it is what it is. Over the years here some have chosen to congratulate the Phillies for doing the bare minimum of what should be expected of them, some of us wanted them to do more. Especially since the teams that are the Phillies real competition for a WS ring routinely did / do more to acquire amateur talent.

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            5. You can argue this point as much as you like. It is obviously very important to you, based on the content of 99% of your posts.
              But please find a better example than this tired Castellanos, 2010 draft, point. It doesn’t illustrate the point, because the Phillies strategy worked, in that case.

              They are no worse off with Biddle, for 1 million, than with Castellanos for 3.5 million. And they are much better off with Biddle for 1 million, than Renaudo for 3 million.

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            8. I have seen fans and bloggers/rumormongers who try to pass themselves off as reporters saying the Phillies should kick in money but I have seen no indication that the Phillies will do this.

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            9. The most obvious example of this is when the team kicked in a huge sum to move Jim Thome to Chicago. That was Monty/Gillick, I believe, but no reason to think Monty/Amaro would hesitate to trade back cash in a deal for a prospect they feel is big-league ready.

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  11. Franco had 3 errors yesterday interestingly…. I keep waiting for Asche to get hot and push his average over 300 but he’s really struggling with lefties. An Asche/Frandsen platoon looks possible. Galvis really needs to be in LHV getting steady at bats…. The AAA bullpen of Ramirez, Aumont, Diekman, and Savery was outstanding last night… Looking forward to Crawford finally playing today…

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    1. Agree with Galvis. He should have spent the year in AAA (except as an injury replacmeent) and the club should have signed a chep middle INF defensive replacmeent for the year during the offseason. Sort of a wasted year for him, unnecessarily IMO

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      2. Murray and mds13, couldn’t agree with you more on Galvis. His only contribution to date that I can see is that someone needs to serve up those shaving cream pies on the rare occasions someone does something heroic.

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    2. Galvis has 164 plate appearances in 54 games this season … that projects to nearly 500 during a full season. All of this is against big league pitching. I think he’s more valuable in Philly, and is getting plenty of experience here.

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        1. LOL … I don’t know where my brain went there. 🙂 Regardless, even 300 plate appearances against major league pitching is significant. I don’t think going back to LHV and playing every day is going to be any better for his development.

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          1. No, you are actually right. 164 PAs through 54 games is 3.037 PAs per game. For a 162 game season that equates to 491 PAs.

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            2. No I’m not. I’m saying that IF he were to play 162 games in a season, the PAs he’s gotten so far through 54 games would equate to 500 PAs. Of course this season he won’t play 162 games. So Mike was right and so were you.

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    1. In the comment thread, the writer describes “ABS” (sounds like a golf swing) and comments why he thinks Franco does not have an “arm bar swing”. Good stuff.

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    2. Whether it is a true arm bar swing or not it is undeniable that he has a lot of “wind-up” in his swing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGHTQXWDEdM Right now he can make up for it with his incredible bat speed. I’d like to see it cleaned up a bit, but it is difficult/dangerous to mess with what is working. If he hasn’t changed it as he ages I could see this being a problem as he loses bat speed.

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      1. Agreed completely. He can’t have that many moving parts in his swing moving forward. Rocks back while bringing his hands up and back, transfers his weight incredibly, and generates a ton of bat speed. If he can just steady his hands during the load, I think his bat speed will play up and he’ll be able to maximize on his already solid pitch recognition. I also think working with some more major league veterans will help him acquire better eating/workout habits. All minor, very correctable, issues which is why I think the excitement is warranted but with caution.

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        1. Note that Anonymous was me. I had reset my internet cache.

          I don’t know that there has been any indication that there is anything wrong with Franco’s eating/workout habits. Has anyone else heard anything on this account?

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      2. i don’t think the load is going to be an issue because it looks like he is finished it before the pitcher releases the ball, thus getting to the launch position in enough time. Think the whole Jimmy getting his front foot down in time. I have only watched the one video of his swing and something is a bit off with his left arm but he clears his hips so well and keep his hands inside the ball that it works.

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  14. I attended the Reading Double header last night, it was not pretty. Watching Hewitt very much gave me the impression that his defense (while committing less errors!) is still brutal as he took some serious bad routes, one of which turned into a double. Managed to talk to Gillies before the game, he says that he’s getting comfortable and confident with the new swing. He put up an O-for, but he was putting good wood on the pitches overall. I’m almost tempted towards optimism for his future. Of course, let’s get to the Franco notes:

    1.) One of his errors was a Michael Young special (attempted to ole a bounce, missed). The other two were rushed throws when he should’ve held it and not try and make a spectacular play. Overall his lateral range didn’t look bad at all as he picked a few balls up from under the shortstop and got the runner, so I’m willing to concede that this was a blip. I would also note that Murphy does not look like a good receiver at 1B, so that may also have an effect.

    2.) He was being pounded inside all night and responded very well, hitting a big boy home run to right center with good contact otherwise. In the 2nd game he fought off a pitch that nearly drilled him to drop it into Center for a hit and shot a single straight through the box in the first inning. Overall he didn’t disappoint.

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    2. Nice write-up, good to see opposite field HR power… pretty sure we were talking about that point with regards to if Franco profiles as a 60, 65 or 70 on the power scale. One of the big measurables is opposite field power. Very interesting indeed.

      As a side note, baseball prospectus has Franco ranked 42 (ahead of Biddle who was un-ranked in the top 50) nationally. Not too shabby and I suspect he’s going to be our consensus best prospect. By seasons end he could find himself in the top 30 if he continues to impress.

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      1. Ah additional points, Tocci and Biddle were both ranked between 51 and 75 (no specific spot for either)… yeah you read that right, Tocci is getting some serious national love there.

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    3. What were the field conditions like and did they contribute to errors? I noticed it wasn’t just Franco who had errors in that DH. The first game was listed as delayed dued to the field still having too much water on it from the rains that postponed the previous nights game.

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      1. Abreau had two dumb errors. One was on an attempted spin throw that just went past Murphy and the other he just dropped a ball on a surefire DP. Overall the field was in good shape and shouldn’t have contributed to the type of errors that happened.

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      1. I would rather see Crawford get some positional work. Don’t need a 30some year old playing in rookie ball

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    3. It’s literally his first game in the system, they are easing him in. Don’t worry, in a few days he will be out in the field.

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      1. Yeah, wasn’t really worried about JP Crawford. I was more surprised to see Tolbert playing in GCL.

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    1. 1st stolen base too. Also, Jan Hernandez seems to have stolen home today. Hernandez might be my favorite pick out of this draft.

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          3. Ironically, they were both part of a double steal today (Crawford second and Hernandez home plate.

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  17. Severino Gonzalez is starting today’s game in Lakewood. I didn’t even realize he’d been demoted. Anyone know if this is a spot start, or are they planning to use him in the rotation from here on out?

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    2. It was not a demotion , just giving him time to start and stretch him out in a more appropriate level. always a hurry to get players moved up, take a deep breath and let them all develop

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      1. Relax … I’m not complaining about the move or suggesting it was due to a failure to perform at CLW. I used the term demotion because it one level down, the same I would use promotion if he went up a level. I’m in no hurry to get Gonzalez or anyone else moved up more quickly than they should.

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      1. I don’t think it even matters. If he continues to have success at AA he does not need AAA to get to the pros. AAA is a good experience but overall not necessary to get to the MLB

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        1. For the most part would agree with you. However in the Philadelphia organization, as opposed to some others, there seems to be a culture and philosophy to ensure prospects get the benefit of some AAA experience before elevation to MLB. Other then Kendrick, who were other AA jumpers? Kendrick’s in ’07 was out of neccesity if I recall. Then he finally gets sent down to AAA a year or two later.

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            1. I stand corrected. There are two., and one, ironically, that never saw AAA until he gets traded So it looks like Worley and Kendrick over the last decade?

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  19. Question for everyone… We talk about how being “chubby” is bad for a ball player (eg Larry Greene Jr. and to a lessor extent even Maikel Franco) We say just because a ball player doesn’t look athletic, he’s bound to disappoint. I was reading an article (can’t remember where, but it was a reputable source) where they claimed Franco had no more “projection” left on his body at the age of 20. And I sort of thought that silly off hand…

    Take a look at the following players:

    Hack Wilson – had a season with Fifty-six home runs, 191 runs batted in, a .356 batting average, and a 1.177 OPS

    Kirby Puckett – Career .318 hitter with 52 oWAR over his career and had more atbats at center field then any other outfield spot until the last 2 years of his career.

    Tony Gwynn – I don’t need to go here, but he was a right fielder for the vast majority of his career, with a 66 oWAR and a -8 dWAR including 104 games at that position at age 39.

    Babe Ruth – Best baseball player of all time 163.2 career WAR (can’t believe I just wrote that), habitually over weight, habitually abused his body, oh and he was also an outfielder (not a first baseman)…

    So, my question is… is the athletic body type over rated? And more importantly why do you think so (or not).

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    3. Sometimes it probably is. I think one of the reasons Pujols went so low in the draft was because he had a “bad body”. But then again, he was eventually limited to 1B, which is really part of the issue with bigger guys. It just raises the bar for their offense. I think looking at athleticism has more to do with projecting a players’ defense and baserunning skills than how good a hitter they’ll be.

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    4. A lady saw john kruk smoking a cigar and drinking beer and said” John you can’t be doing that your a professional athlete!” John says ” Lady I’m not an athlete i’m a ball player.” My favorite baseball line ever.

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      1. My favorite line from Tug back in the late 60’s. He gets his first big contract of $50K from the Mets. NY reporter asks, ‘Tug what are you going to do with your first big bonus check?”. Tug says, ‘Well 40,000 I am going to spend on women and booze and the other 10,000 I am going to waste”.

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  20. Other than Hack Wilson that list is full of good athletes. Babe Ruth was a GREAT athlete. Did not really get fat till he was in his late 20s. Probably a 60 runner when young and a 50 in the middle of his career. 80 hit tool, 80 power, 70 arm or something like that. Puckett and Gwynn could both run too until their early 30s. Gwynn stole 56 bases in his age 27 years.

    I think we put a little too much emphasis into body type than actual athleticism.

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    1. “I think we put a little too much emphasis into body type than actual athleticism.”
      Agreed, agreed, agreed. I mean, look at an NFL lineman. You’d never guess a guy who looked like that runs a sub-5.5 40.

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    3. Would you also then agree that Franco still has plenty of room to grow his hit and power tools? And if not, why not?

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      1. Well you can always improve your pitch recognition and consciousness of the strike zone right? Wouldn’t that be part of the hit tool? The better his hit tool the more raw power he will tap into in later years. And im sure he could grow into more muscle at age 20, although that may make him even slower.

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      2. Franco can get a little better in both of these areas. His problem is that he is a 20 runner. If he puts on 10-20 more pounds can he then stay at 3B? The Phillies originally considered to move him to catcher because of the slow foot speed. I think they saw he was quick enough to play 3B so there was less reason for the move. For Franco it might be advisable to NOT have him put on too much weight in a training program. He should work on quickness and flexibility just as much. I think I would be happy if he was a 20-25 HR guy who could stay at 3B the next 5 years than a 30+ HR guy who gets too big.

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        1. Are you sure about that…Phillies originally thinking about moving him to catcher? Not in the last three years from what I have heard or even read.

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          2. They were thinking about it when they originally signed him. It is noted in some of the articles being written about him now. They decided not to do it when his defense was a little better than they thought at 3B. Slow guys with really good arms often get converted to catcher (like Chooch).

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  21. bob, i’m glad you brought up susac. the kid is in AA and hitting around .280 with close to 10 homers. i’ll agree with any who will listen, that is a true example of the phils being cheap. he was highly touted out of hs. it looked like the scouts did their job and Rube and the front office didn’t come up with the goods. i’m sure there are many other examples of the frugality of the team, which is why they are in the situation they are in now of a lowly farm system especially for a high market team. is it the old Fram oil filter commercial, you can either pay me now or pay me a lot more later.
    gm

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    1. Are you aware of how much the Phillies offered Susac? Or how much he was requesting? IF MEMORY SERVES, the Phils offered the kid 300,000.

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      1. Joe Might be wrong but I think this kid was looking for million to sign. Thought i read that somewhere.

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    2. Susac isn’t even one of the ten (10) best catching prospects in the minors. The Phillies aren’t losing any sleep from not signing him.

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    3. Are you aware that Matt Harvey was drafted in the 3rd round by the Angels in 2007 but they were just too cheap to sign him? Obviously their ownership just isn’t committed to winning.

      Point being that every team drafts players that they fail to sign because they are asking for too much money. This fixation by some that the Phillies are somehow cheaper than other organizations just has no basis in fact. It happens with every team every year. For every example of the Phillies losing a drafted player there many examples of other teams doing the same thing

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  22. Vargas and Mendez both finally pitched today and put up zeros whikle the GCL team got another win.

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        1. Yeah most likely the reason… May be my desire for M Young or Rollins to be moved showing.

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    3. Or do they want to drop Freddy down to play everyday in AAA. But yeah I’m expecting another shoe to drop.

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    4. my thoughts exactly. Why? I don’t get this one. Don’t we already have this guy in AAA – Pete Orr?

      The Phils cleared a 40-man spot by outrighting catcher Steven Lerud

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      1. I’m pretty sure McDonald is a much better defensive SS than Orr. In fact, there have been people on this site who have used McDonald as a comp for Galvis.

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        1. I stand corrected. I see that Orr has played some SS for LHV this year. He just hasn’t played it in the majors for a number of years.

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    5. What the hell do they need a thirty eight year old for??ptbnl. is most likely franco or biddle, the way this moran Amaro does things.Even if they move young or utley or rollins. use galvis and call up hernanez to play . damm they arent going anywhere find out if galvis can hit and hernanez can play. stupid amaro

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  24. Couldn’t they just have kept MiniMart if they wanted to send Galvis down? I thought they might do that last week but its certainly possible and McDonald is way better defensively… However, the McDonald move could also be the first move with M Young going to the Yankees for a reliever or two while Galvis/Frandsen handle 3rd because Asche is not ready yet.

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    1. They could have, but McDnald will cost you practically nothing and is known to be an excellant defensive SS who can also play 2nd and 3rd. He can take over Galvis’ defensive specialist role while Freddy’s getting ABs in AAA. He can’t hit, but Freddy hasn’t either so that’s a wash. Smart move I think.

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    2. Do you think it will hurt asche to give him half a season in philly?? do you think they will make playoffs?? They right now stink. they have no right fielder, no center fielder no third basemen., a weak hitting shortstop, and too often injuryed second basemen. a bad bullpen, no real fourth or fifth staters, and no bench. and a moron gm. winning a couple of games isnt going to fix there problem. instead of being 5 games under 500 at end of season. your 20 games under, its still bad, if you cant win, then try to see what you have, so in the off season you have a better idea. and better draft choice to rebuild. stupid sixers do the same thing win meanless games, so they dont get the better chance at lottery pick to rebuild. San Antonio keep david robinson on bench the whole half of season when he could play to get better draft choice. and it was duncan, look at the championship they won with duncan,

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      1. Do you think it will help Asche to give him a half a season in Philly, when he’s doing just okay in AAA? Or are you just tired of watching Michael Young?

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      2. Still don’t get the Revere hate he has been .313./.350/.350 since the beginning of May and should be the leadoff hitter.

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        1. Agreed. He’s actually hit significantly better in May/June than he did last year or the year before. Also, he is 25 — younger than Dom Brown. He has the talent to be better in center than he’s been and I think we need to give him some more time to get there. He only played 39 games there last year. I still think he will be a solid everyday center fielder.

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      3. You really do not know what you are talking about. Are the Phillies probably going anywhere? No, but your reasons for this are not correct. Ben Revere has been doing extremely well lately, so they do have a center fielder. Jimmy Rollins is still batting like a middle of the pack short stop, so the weak heating comment is over the top. Pettibone and Lannan are both solid 4+5 starters, I really don’t see how you can complain about them. Throwing a season to draft better is not a way to keep people coming to the stadium, and if people don’t come to the stadium you can’t afford all-star players.

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        1. Cole Hamels has been the weak link in the staff this year. A mediocre 7-6 record vs a horrific 2-11, would put them in the thick of things.

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          1. Hamels himself has been a bit below his career averages this year- 3.80 FIP and 3.72 xFIP against 3.60 and 3.41 norms. His ERA and W-L are crap because the defense is terrible behind him and he’s 88th out of 99 qualified starters in run support. If the Phillies could give him average defense and run support- not that they will, because they have a crappy offense and the Terrors Young on defense- they might actually win some of his starts.

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            1. I also look at his WHIP. And at 1.3 it is the highest in his career and al big part of that is his BB/9, which is also high for him. He has a difficult time putting hitters away after two strikes. Seems they foul too many and his PC spirals up too early.

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            2. Uh, no. Hamels is struggling mostly because he is getting hit hard and walking way too many guys.

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        2. I dont see them as a contender, like you do. Revere imo stinks. sorry he has no arm, no power, and makes stupid plays, like the play that allowed wright to score from first on a single. my complaint is, that if your not good enough to win the wildcard, then play some young kids to see, what you have, is that so wrong??I guess your right about lannan, he is a good pitcher for a bad team. so yes he fits in here, pettibone isnt a complete pitcher. if you dont mind a 500 or below team , then your right, if you want to win, you wont with this array of players., starting with revere and the lazy jimmy rollins., atttitude plays a important part in winning., and jimmy imo has lost it, and what good is being able to afford all star players, when you have a moron in charge like amaro, who over plays his hand with papabon, no one was going 4 years for him. like he screw up the bullpen. why pay a hurt player two years, Adams should have been on a one year deal, with a club vesting option for a second year. why sign durbin, after the year he had last season?? How long will they fill seats with this bunch of players, I live near the stadium and can see from tenth street the crowds, its getting less and less people.

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          2. It isn’t all that bad roccom.Youngsters like Biddle, Franco and Asche will be making their arrivals soon. Together with Brown, Revere, Galvis there is some young talent and the last 3 draft classes have promising prospects. Sure you need some luck and the other NL East teams are strong and a team like the Mets will have Harvey, Wheeler and Neise going for them. But you have to have some hope.

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  25. roccom, you are correct. as susac was loooking for 1 million to sign. VOR, help me out here please. where did you see a list of top ten catchers? also, it would be interesting to see if any that have only 1 1/2 seasons of pro ball are included. and, any that have greatly improved from A ball to AA.
    Thanks
    gm

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  26. It’s bad enough we have to suffer through these repeated rants in General discussion, but why is it allowed in Box Scores? Sidenote @ Roccom just give up already with the ‘morAnic’ attempts of punctuation…Please! PS-Do you Bartel Do??

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    1. Ed just because you have good punctuation doesnt mean you know what you talking about. Why dont you take you head out of mongomery and amaro? to see what is going on with the team.

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  27. Biggest joke of the day:

    “Pettibone & Lannan are solid #4 & #5 pitchers” in the rotation. Pettibone is no mystery to the hitters he is facing and Lannan has been nowhere for now and the previous season. Neither one would fit in a contending team’s rotation. Perhaps both would fit in the rotation of guaranteed second division team…if that was what was meant. Since the Phils ARE a second division team, they fit well here.

    Just don’t start either one if you HAVE to win a game.

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    1. Pettibone can be very effective as a 5th. Maybe not in his rookie year this year, but at some point in his career. Lannan, OTOH, was horrible vs the Phillies over his career when he was a Nat, but held his own vs the other teams in the division, but then we are talking 2/3 being the Mets and Marlins for the most part.

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  28. ty art That was my point. lannan is okay on a bad team. Pettibone has a chance but he isn’t ready right now.He has no breaking ball. and not a great fastball. he cant make a mistake and get away with it, not with his stuff, imo needs another pitch. I guess the real point is we are a second division team, and must keep [ACCORDING TO PEOPLE ON HERE]these players to be a below or at 500 team so the fans still come out.

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