Box Score Recap – 6/25/2013

Box Score Recap

All you need to know about Tuesday is this – Steven Golden Sombrero.

Ok, I guess here’s more of my thoughts – Zach Green went yard again- his fourth in the 9-day-old season. Cord Sandberg hit his first pro homerun, and Kelly Dugan hit his 9th on the year. Brian Pointer with a double and a triple hitting out of the leadoff spot for Lakewood in Roman Quinn’s absence. Quinn has a hairline fracture and will be in a cast for 4 weeks. Add rehab after that, and he’ll miss likely close to 2 months. That’s the bulk of the year. Bummer.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130625

6-26-13 boxscores

97 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/25/2013”

  1. It seems like an odd decision to PH for the guy that’s 3-3 with a HR, two steals, and a BB when you’re trailing in the bottom of the ninth.

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    1. The minors — and rookie ball in particular — are a strange variety of baseball. The players play everyday to win, but the org has larger aims. I guess Roly de Armas wanted to make sure Knight got an AB.

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          1. Green is an very good defender. Plus arm. He was a golden glove SS in high school who is learning a new position. The bat definitely profiles for 3rd.

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      3. The best thing to happen to Walding, is Zach Green. Even though Walding is having a mediocre season, he really can’t be left back in Lakewood, because Zach Green will have to be promoted.

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        1. Exactly. Next year, I would think, you’d have Walding in CLW, Green in LWD, and the rest in WPT or repeating the GCL

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          1. It seems obvious that Green has more power and pop in his bat than Walding. Are you saying you don’t ever see a scenario where Green jumps Walding? This of course should be a question asked at the end if the season where we have a bigger sample size of both players’ performances, but just curious now.

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            1. Of course there is a scenario where Zach Green could jump Walding. I don’t think he will in the near future, because he doesn’t have advanced plate discipline. Strikes out too much, and walks too little, to get double jumped. The Phillies tend to double jump the guys who don’t strikeout much.

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            2. Let’s not forget Walding also came out of the gate on fire last year in Williamsport & then things slowed way off. So I think it is way to early for us to think
              Green is going to take Waldings spot. Green does show great power though. I’m a little surprised in Cozens hitting, He was the one I expected the big power from.

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            3. Talked to Mitch Rupert and he said that Cozens has not really squared up too many balls so far but when he does it is hard line drive contact. It is all small sample size, but from reports neither Green or Cozens is selling out for power, there is more an emphasis on making good hard contact.

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            4. Not worried at all with Cozens. He’s not striking out and walking like crazy, great signs. The power will come out. He’s also fast and has a great arm, might be a 5 tooler.

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            5. I agree with VOR for the reasons he cites. I could envision such a scenario if Green’s plate discipline is where you want it to be by the end of the season and he continues to hit. But he would really have to have a great season to jump to CLW as a 20 year old. With Franco ahead of him anyway, there really is no reason to do it.

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            6. Too soon IMO to say either way. His BB and K data so far this season actually is a little odd compared to last year (going in opposite directions), probably an artifact of SSS. His BB rate was low last year, but fine this year. His K rate kind of the opposite – was okay, not great, but acceptable last year, too high this year. But we’re talking all of 35 PA. Let’s see where he is later in the season.

              The following is not a prediction, but if, for example, he maintains his current BB rate and returns to last season’s K rate, while of course also to some extent maintaining his power surge (he will cool off some of course), then I don’t think a double jump is out of the question. Say .270/.350/.500.

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            7. His ISO at this point is over .500. SSS, and yes the Ks are a concern, but that’s pretty sick.

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  3. Brian Pointer has a 102 WRC+ and is 19 for 23 in steals. I hope he has a strong second half, he’s young enough to keep improving.

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    1. Good speed, good BB rate, improving (at least a little) K rate. But he really needs to show a hit tool at some point.

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  4. Quinn’s injury is troubling because he missed his first year (late signing) and now another month or so. He is at a crucial point in his development. Dugan had similar problems with lack of playing time to develop. I wish Quinn the best. We will need patience in watching the fielding develop and the hitting become more consistent.

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    1. Just seen a video of Quinn hitting earlier this month and I wonder how the Phillies let him hit with a stance so wide. There’s no weight transfer. Any power he’s got is all arms. I could understand if it was his two strike approach, but it’s not.

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      1. the majority of power hitters start with their legs that far apart. “Weight transfer” is not what generates power at this level. What you want is to clear the hips and have your weight back/center so you can adjust to off speed pitches. Little guys who can not generate bat speed (Galvis, Ichiro, Bourne) will sell out and use that lillte extra bat speed to try and generate power, but all of them have a flat plane swing intended to keep the ball down and use their speed. The fact that Quinn generates power without having to “Sell Out” with a weight shift is a great sign. From what i have seen of Quinn’s swing mechanics it really reminds me of Jimmy.

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        1. Looks nothing like Rollins. Rollins is upright. Looks like Reyes to me. He could get so much more out of his swing if he got into a more balanced stance. It would be one thing if he didn’t strike out a lot, but he does. I understand his bread and butter is his legs so you don’t want him trying to hit a ton of fly balls, but he obviously has the hand speed to hit double digit HR’s with better mechanics.
          A lot of hitters that start that wide usually have some kind of toe tap or load. I look at guys like Harper and Alex Gordon who used to be more spread out and crouched and have since gone to more balanced stances and how it has helped them. He doesn’t even have to narrow his base that much, just a few inches and get a 60/40 weight shift. As it stands now he’s not getting any help from his back side. And this doesn’t just relate to HR’s, it’s about being able to stay back and hit balls consistently hard.

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    1. Only if your expectations were too high. A 21 year-old catcher in AAA is a pretty rare occurrence for a reason. Then injuries hit. He certainly held his own with the big club in spring training

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    2. When I was doing my midseason updated ranking. The one thing you have to remember is Joseph is really young (same age as Knapp – who was just drafted). He doesn’t really have the bat to move to 1B so its sink or swim at C. The good news is that phillies have put together alot of depth behind Joseph.

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  6. Don’t look now, but I think Larry Greene finally decided to pull his head out of his seat cushion. Has he changed his approach at the plate, finally in shape, got Lasix etc. Any reports would be welcome.

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    1. Maikel Franco hit .210 the 1st 3 months thru June, last year. The organization had him working on hitting the ball to the opposite field.
      It just may be, the organization had Greene working on something thru the 1st part of the season. Maybe attempting to develope him as a hitter, while in Low A.

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      1. I often forget the developmental part of hitters vs pitchers. If you have power to the right side, work on hitting the ball the other way or working on other possible holes in your swing. Thanks for the reminder VOR.

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  7. Quinn swing def has questions. Very army swing needs to shorten length and get to that back leg and drive forward. Look at justin upton. Wide stance leg lift to time and get weight back. Balanced and toe touch and hands explode. Moved hands back to keep hands to a minimum and then explodes.

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    1. That graphic is for his Left handed swing. Which he is still developing. Roman Quinn has one of the better Right Handed swings that I see, below AA. Quinn and Tocci both seem to be more balanced and quick, than most all of the other RH bats in the low minors of the system.

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    2. I am concerned about him. He has regressed in every offensive category this year. His stance is horrible but he has such quick bat he makes up for it. What people forget when comparing Quinn to Jeter’s 56 errors in his first major league season was that Jeter hit .295 with 30 extra base hits and voted the league best prospect.

      If there is a silver lining its here: Jeter has similar wrist injury that put him on the shelf for about a month. He used that time to work exclusively on his footwork then glove work, then his throwing motion. This injury could be blessing for Quinn if he uses his time well.

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      1. Jeter wasn’t learning to switch hit AND learn to play arguably the hardest defensive position.

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    1. Fantastic writeup. Though, I think the term “Baby aces” was definitely used mostly tongue in cheek. No one thought, Pettibone was going to become an ace. But, at the time, you had Cosart, May and Colvin who all had number 2 potential and were living up to it.

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  9. Don’t overlook Joseph’s problems behind the plate. Danger: passed balls beyond expectations. Hit tool has offended us considering expectations. Looks like a project more than he is “ready.”

    Danger (to me) is that if/when trades are done, RAJ will fail to get quality returns. So far, Joseph has looked terrible with likely little progress THIS season due to the concussion for which he’s already missed several weeks with no indication of returning soon.

    Yes, some will say we need to give him time and we must be patient. BUT for a guy who was said to be advanced enough to play at AA Reading with AAA LV in his sights, he has disappointed and failed in every aspect of his game. Maybe RAJ was duped into believing he was a great trade return….HA! So far, Giants plus, Phillies zip.

    Pray RAJ will not screw up again when Paps, Lee, Utley, etc. are sent off. RAJ gets terrible returns in his trades.

    Meanwhile, the FO does deserve credit for making what appears to be an excellent group of draft choices in June and signing almost each of them with a couple or more soon to be signed when college ball closes.

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    1. wouldn’t you agree is hard to grade out a guy who largely hasn’t played? He is same age as phillies second round pick Knapp. We just need to see more of him before going too deep into assessing his projections.

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      1. That’s the biggest red flag. Long time out for a concussion. That’s a problem that can get worse over time and force a catcher to stop catching. That long a time out for a concussion from a ball off the face mask, along with a suggestion of prior concussion issues doesn’t bode well. He’s going to see homeplate collisions, maybe even a bat to his helmet down the road. He’s starting with a lot of hit points to his brain.

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    3. Art,

      As critical as I am about Amaro in many respects, I think the problem isn’t so much that he doesn’t get good returns in trades but that, like many people, you have unreasonable expectations regarding the expected return for veteran players. In reality, he did quite well last year in getting decent returns for veteran players. That’s true even if you don’t think much of Joseph as a prospect – he would not have been available if there weren’t some real question marks about him. Pence’s value was much less than when acquired by the Phillies (over reaction to the poor first half in 2012, plus one less year of team control), and of course the Phillies overpaid massively for him.

      Obviously the first Pence deal was a disaster, but that’s a different kind of trade, acquiring a veteran instead of trading one. And even in those types of trades he has usually done okay.

      I know there is plenty of speculation that Utley will be trade, but I doubt he will be. If he is, don’t expect much in return. But that won’t be Amaro’s fault.

      The good news on Lee and Papelbon is that they WON’T be traded unless he gets a huge return. If anything, I think he might err in the other direction (if we can really get an impact prospect for Papelbon, Amaro absolutely should pull the trigger. He might not do so.)

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      1. I do think that, certainly in hindsight considering the team’s corner outfield woes, one can make an argument that Pence should not have been traded at all. But given his contract status and performance, Amaro got a reasonable return for him.

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        1. I guess somebody else could have been traded, but RAJ needed to trade enough guys to get under last season’s lux cap.

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        2. Amaro is my hero now. so trading a veteran is different than Aquiring, what is the difference, didnt the giants acquire a veteran in pence?? your imo making no sense. Amaro go a hard thrower who cant find home plate in martin, and a catcher who cant hit. the giants, imo know talent a lot better than the phillies. You can trust amaro to get value but most of us dont. what he gave up to acquire pence. was a disgrace. no gm in baseball makes that trade. No one, not even wade would give up four good prospect for a bad fielding, non fundematally sound player like pence. Who the hell scouted him for the phillies., the guy couldnt even catch fly balls. he was a terrible outfielder, only thing about him , Was he had a good arm. Look at the slop we got for lee, I

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          1. He’s saying that doing a deal for a veteran is inherently different than dealing away a veteran. In the first scenario you are pursuing a player and trying to figure out what package the other team will take. In this scenario you know your prospects better than everyone else and decide how urgent you are in acquiring the veteran at hand for the price that was agreed upon.

            When you’re trading away a veteran the exercise is different. You’re fielding phone calls and driving the price up as best you can. There may also be no urgency for you to trade the player away. You either like the deals you were offered or you don’t. And if you don’t the worst that happens is you keep your player and your team is still not a contender anyway. In this scenario you also don’t know as much about other team’s prospects.

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          2. Rocom, I usually try not to engage you,and even now I will not answer your sarcasm and rudeness with sarcasm and rudeness.

            I agree that the Pence deal was a disaster. I think that was pretty clear in my comment.. That aside, Amaro does not have a history of making bad trades. He just doesn’t. The only other deal that has gained anything like legitimate criticism is when he traded Lee, and the criticism of that deal is (a) massively exaggerated, and (b) to the extent it is legitimate, probably better directed at ownership. Every other trade he has made was somewhere between decent and good. There is absolutely no reason to criticize last year’s deals. The only basis for criticism is an historically ignorant belief about the trade value of veteran players with minimal team control remaining.

            Now, Amaro has other faults, in terms of poor talent evaluation of hitters (that contributed to the Pence acquisition), in terms of lack of understanding of aging curves, and in terms of contract negotiation (though the last of these is a mixed bag, with some positives, but the negatives outweighing the positives). But poor deal making abilities in the trade market is not, on the whole, one of his weaknesses.

            Not that is central to my point, but the distinction between trading for a veteran and trading away a veteran is that one of his other faults is that he tends to somewhat over value “proven” veteran players. But that just means that we should be leery of trades where he acquires veteran players., The opposite is the case when he trades away veteran players.

            I’ll say one more thing. Some people have suggested that you stop commenting. Despite the lack of substantive contribution to this site from you, i won’t join in those requests. But (and some might say I have little room to talk, though I’ve been much better lately) certainly your rudeness in this case is not mitigated by any positive contribution to this site.

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            2. Also, people need to take into account the inability for an acquiring team to recieve draft pick compensation for a rental player. When the Dodgers acquired Victorino, they were acquring a rental outfielder having a down year with no compensation if he were to walk. I don’t know what people expected Ruben to get?

              Honestly? I thought he had a potential steal if Martin could improve his control/command issues and we ended up trading Lindblom for a full year of Michael Young, so it was a fairly decent trade.

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  11. If Larry Greene keeps this up for a few more days, people will have to start taking notice and maybe even get excited. Not yet but maybe soon…

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      1. Larry Greene has 3 HR’s in his 1st 512 PA’s, covering his 1st 3 professional seasons, played in the NYP and the SAL.

        Kelly Dugan had 3 HR’s in his 1st 490 PA’s, covering his 1st 3 professional seasons, played in the GCL and the NYP.

        Kelly Dugan is considered a top 10 prospect in the organization by some. Larry Greene still has some time.

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        1. Except Greene’s calling card is his power which due to his strikeout rate and questionable defense needs to be considerable.

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          1. When Kelly Dugan was drafted, his calling card was his plus power.

            Both players were in the same position, 2 years after being drafted, except Larry Green is playing at a higher level.

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          2. Hit For Average: 55 Hit For Power: 55/60 Fielding: 50
            Throwing Arm: 50 Speed: 50
            Summary: Dugan has average to a tick above tools across the board. He has good raw power that is more prevalent in batting practice than games at this point. It was thought he’d start a 1B, but the Phillies have used him in the outfield, which improves his defensive value and also his path to the big leagues.

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  12. Was at last night’s Reading game (seriously, Boston weather is awful). Biddle looked pretty good, was sitting in the low 90s according to the gun at the park. Notes:

    -Was keeping everything down in the zone, looked to be getting a good downward plain overall
    -Wasn’t generating swings and misses but was getting very weak contact from hitters
    -Curve looked great, you can practically hear it snap downwards
    -Managed to holler over to him in the dugout when the rain started and asked if he was holding back any pitches, gave a thumbs up and a “NOPE!”

    I may go back tonight just to see Franco, I’d like to have more than 2 innings to look at the guy.

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    2. If Biddle has answered back with anything other than “No” the organization should have had a long talking to for him. There are certainly pieces of information that should not be revealed by prospects and management. Good job by Biddle to realized this. It is much more difficult to do now that everyone they encounter is a possible reporting with a video camera.

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      1. Ah, all those top baseball strategic secrets. Better tell them not text/tweet/email or cell phone any secrets….NSA has them then.

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  13. Good start for Musser today at Delmarva. He tired in the fifth and Syefan added a couple of good relief innings. In Quinn’s absence Tocci led off and Pointer added some punch to the bottom of the order. Greene kept his hitting streak. Carela and Francisco blew the game. In true Phillies fashion Francisco allowed two inherited runners and his own error to score and lost the game on no hits and no earned runs. Musser deserved the win.

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  15. Jonathan Knight homers to break open the GCL game against the Pirates. Bielski in to close. By the way, is Bielski any relation to the Eagles place kicker in the 50s? same name: Richard Bielski.

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  16. Why not just send JP Crawford their and have him play 2 months of low A ball it wouldn’t hurt him at all… He’s glove is already passed that level

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    2. Because the best prospects should play at their proper developmental level. Crawford might be able to handle low A, but why put the pressure on him. 2013 is about learning and adjustment for him, not rushing.

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  18. Its seems The Phils are finally getting some position players for the the future @ 3B with Franco , Asche and Green and the OF but how about their pitching ? Other than Biddle who are their top 5 potential starters and top 5 RP in their system ?

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    1. Sadly for the Phillies their arguably best RP minor leaguer Kenny Giles has not pitched this year due to injury.

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    2. Just off the top of my head some names to follow are Ethan Martin (LHV), Adam Morgan (LHV-at least before his shoulder injury), Yoel Mecias (LWD), Servino Gonzalez (LWD), Perci Garner (CLW), shane Watson (LWD), Mitch Gueller (WPT), Kenneth Giles (CLW)

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        1. Pretty weak group! Both Watson and Gueller were ranked just as high or higher by baseball analysts/projectionist in their senior years, then Matt Harvey in his HS senior year of 2007.

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          1. So what? Matt Harvey develped beyond expectations – what does that have to do with these guys? Maybe these guys develop, but it is very iffy and, aside from Martin (who is talented, but has huge control issues), they are all far away. They may be okay in time but its just as likely that all or most crash and burn.

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        2. I agree it is a weak group of RH pitchers. But I think it looks weaker to the eye, due to the over-rating of Cosart, May, and Colvin that went on here for so long. Shane Watson was better amateur talent than all of those guys. Also, there is a lot more LHP pitching depth than before.

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            1. I heard the announcer say Watson hit 98 on delmavra’s stadium gun in his last outing. If that’s correct and the gun is accurate that’s something that puts him in a whole different category.

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            5. Yeah I asked for confirmation on here yesterday but the announcer was like 96 mph fb 97 and 98.

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    1. Hope he does not have any brothers who pitch also as the Phillies usually choose the wrong one!

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    1. Thank you Roccom, Sadly we were not there today. Hoping to catch Friday’s game in Lakeland! 🙂

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