Box Score Recap – 6/21/2013 and 6/22/2013

Box Score Recap

Maikel Franco with his first AA homerun. Jim Murphy and Tyson Gillies also went deep for Reading, while they got another fine performance from David Buchanan – 6IP, 3R (2 earned) on 5H, 1BB and 7Ks. That’s two good starts in a row. 2-5 with a double, an RBI and 2 runs scored for Larry Greene. 3 hits for Cesar Hernandez, and he stole #21, and he’s only been caught 5 times. Over 80% there, adding to his nearly .800 OPS at AAA. If he doesn’t graduate, he may push for a spot in my top 10 this off-season.

No GCL game today due to rain. Kind of a disappointment, though the roster is finally up here. No Jose Pujols. Curious. I’ll be out of pocket tomorrow and most of the day Sunday, so I’ve posted the link below to get those boxes when they come out.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130621

Saturday’s games:

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130622

 

6-21-2013

118 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/21/2013 and 6/22/2013”

  2. Boy, Zach Green’s really up there hacking, isn’t he? You can’t argue with the results — three doubles and two bombs in five games — but he hasn’t walked once and almost half of his outs have come via strikeout.

    Dylan Cozens, on the other hand, is showing tremendous patience in the early going: 6 BB to 3 K in five games. SSS, but add this to his 11.5 BB rate last season and you’ve got some encouraging signs that he’s got the pitch recognition necessary for big league success.

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    1. Not necessarily. He’s on the path to be the next Larry Greene at this point wouldn’t you say?

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      1. That’s the glass half-empty view, I suppose. LGJ has yet to show real in-game power as a professional, however. Cozens, on the other hand, had a .186 ISO in the GCL last season, right after graduating high school. I’m going to say Cozens has far more potential at this point.

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        1. Well Cozens showed more power in a lower league where it is slightly easier to hit homeruns. It’s still early but the walk rate tells us nothing really considering Larry Greene had an excellent one last year.

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          1. I agree that it’s too early to read anything into this season, which is five games old. I disagree that a walk rate tells us nothing. Greene had a good walk rate last season, yes, but more often than not, a high BB rate is a good indicator of a prospect’s ability to hit big league pitching. I don’t think we can look at Dylan Cozens walking at a good rate during the first week of the season and conclude, “There’s the next Larry Greene.”

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        2. To refer to Cozens’ GCL stats, when comparing him to Larry Greene is a little faulty. Larry Greene didn’t get a chance to play in the GCL. You can only compare Cozens’ NYP stats to LGJs NYP stats. Cozens hasn’t proved that he is any better than Larry Greene. We won’t know anything until the end of the season.

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  3. Nice to see Larry Greene with a decent game. And for all of those wondering why I haven’t posted lately, I’m unable to post stuff from my wordpress account for some reason.

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  4. I love how five of the six infielders on the GCL team are listed as SS. Anyone have an idea how this will shake out? My guess: Crawford plays SS every day, Williams and Hernandez share 3B/DH, Sweany and Grullon share C/1B.

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  5. Reading OF of Hewitt, Collier and Gillies. One time the “dream outfield”. Jiwan James rounds out the foursome.

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  6. Susdorf seems to be one of the few players who can get on base. Maybe he can get a shot somehow.

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    1. I wondered that too. Maybe they’re comfortable with Lino behind the dish and are trying to get others ABs.

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  8. Jose Pujols sighting. Starting in RF and batting 6th.

    Interesting Cord Sandberg leading off. I guess they want him to get the most PA’s.

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  9. Cozens is doing something very impressive. The BB and K rates are both elite, you rarely see that. Wait until he starts getting some BABIP luck and start hitting for some power. 30/30 potential right here.

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  10. So, I got to thinking last night, with the amount of first basemen getting locked up to long deals, once Howard is traded or has his contract run out, we don’t have a whole lot of options at first internally or externally. It seems that the front office, doesn’t care for first base prospects because they know that they have Howard therefore any potential first base prospects are cast into the Overbeck/Rizzotti/Murphy category, Ruf seems to be the only one who slightly beat the system.

    So, when looking for a first baseman, the one thing that we must find is a plus bat for the middle of the order. Well, doesn’t Maikel Franco fit that bill? His defense at third is not elite enough to have him stick, he is such a high prospect because of his bat, he is a 20 run tool and that plays better at first. Asche will be ready, and his bat plays into an average infielder lets say Daniel Murphy-esque which I think would be better off than moving him to left, right, or second to accommodate for Franco. I don’t think that they should move Franco over now, but when he reaches the Majors around the same time that Howard is leaving, don’t you think there could be a fit? Best of both worlds I guess if Asche is the prospect that most expect.

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    1. There is so much wrong with this I don’t know where to begin. For starters Franco plays a better 3rd base than Asche.

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      1. I’m thinking a bit into the future. Just posing the question, how else are we going to find a legit middle of the order first baseman? Goldschmidt? Craig? Freeman? Gonzalez? Hosmer? Belt? Fielder?

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        1. Well if you’re going to play Asche and Franco in the same lineup and one of them is going to be 3rd and one of them is going to play at 1st why not put the better defender at 3rd?

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          1. Thank you for having common sense. This is the kind of stuff I couldn’t understand last year with people saying Freddy Galvis’ bat wasn’t good enough for 3B so Utley should play 3B and Galvis 2B. If Galvis is in the lineup why does it matter if his bat is weak for a position or not? Utley at 3B defensively was never going to happen, but if it did I’m pretty sure the defensive drop would be significantly greater between Galvis & Utley at 3B vs Utley & Galvis at 2B.

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    2. What does “his defense at third is not elite enough to have him stick” mean? He might not be an elite defender, but he has a big arm and profiles as at least average and possibly above average defense. Just because he’s not an elite defender, doesn’t mean he won’t stick.

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      1. Franco’s downside defensively at 3B is Placido Polanco, and his upside is Scott Rolen. I’ll gladly take either one of those, and both will “stick” at 3B.

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        1. I highly doubt his downside is a guy who won 3 gold gloves and had the range to play 2B, and I even more highly doubt that his upside is one of the best defensive 3B ever. “Above average defensively” is pretty much the best thing I’ve read about his defensive projection.

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          1. How much have you seen him play? I’ve seen him play enough the last few years that I believe in my projections. As for Polanco, I meant Polanco of the last two years in Philly, not his prime, my bad.

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            1. I haven’t seen him play. If you feel he’s that good defensively that’s fine, I hope you’re dead on with that projection. But it seems the consensus among scouts who have seen him play is that he’s above average defensively, not a generational talent.

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        2. I think Cody, more than Franco, could switch positions,” Wathan said. Asche has played second base, and Wathan said first base and left field could be other options. “Hopefully, in the future, that is a tough decision that we have to make,” Wathan said.

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        3. You just named two of the better fielding third baseman of the last decade.

          I have no idea, but something tells me his floor is a bit lower than that, defensively.

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    4. Phils would have to eat 10 mill of howards contract which would make any respectably performing first baseman with a 10-15 mill contract “cost” 20-25 mill anyhow. Ryan has had a yr plus a little to recover and test the achilles. Early in the yr, you could still see him hobling either from the achilles or knee. He is starting to swing better and is due to return to 45-50 HR form. Those strikeouts are killers though, but perhaps less than DPs.

      Anyone notice the basketball team substituting as a pitching staff at GCL?

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      1. Moot point because he won’t be traded, but, as much as Howard’s recent play has been encouraging, the BEST we can realistically hope for is a return to 2011 form (and that IMO is unlikely in the long term). The days of 45-50 HR are LONG past.

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        1. I agree. Though I think most would very happily take 30-35 HRs with an OPS around .850 at this point…though even that is a stretch.

          I also agree on Franco at 3B…his huge value is almost entirely wrapped in his ability to be an above average hitter at 3B…move him to 1B and he’s an average prospect at best.

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      2. Of course there are other problems with the “Franco to first base” comment, most of which have been stated by others. In sum, you would be throwing away a considerable portion of Franco’s value (probably between 20 and 35% of said value) by moving him to first base.

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      2. Actually he wasn’t on the 40 man..that’s why they had to DFA Mini Mart to make a spot for him.

        Good riddance. Not that Ramirez deserves a callup regardless as he’s terrible.

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        1. This is so depression, Ramirez is our best option for a relief pitcher. this is making me sick,After listing to montgomery say amaro is one of a group making the decision, I really believe we could become the worst team in baseball. with there recent track record on signing, anyone can give a boat loan of money to players, but the fillins have been horrible the last two years.

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      3. OH yes and oh no. But if Stutes and Pbone are hurt, the line is getting tthin.

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  12. Phillies draft 11th in 2014 as it stands today. With some ‘luck’, come October they could conceivably be drafting 7th or 8th. And probably with a new manager at the helm at that time

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    2. I don’t wanna root for failure, but I would much rather see this team pick in the top-10 than in the teens just because I can’t see Amaro not signing a major FA this off-season and thus costing the Phillies a draft pick. If the Phillies first round pick is in the top-10 it is protected so it would be the second round pick forfeited.

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      1. Ellsbury in center, Revere in left, Brown in right could be pretty good. Don’t know how much Jacoby’s looking for though…

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        1. I think I’d rather have Choo than Ellsbury. Choo has more power and OBP skills, two things this team desperately needs. That and while I like Revere better than some here he loses a lot of value not being in centerfield..

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          1. I’d take either Choo or Ellsbury, but I think Ellsbury will cost less, and he’s a year younger.

            Regarding Revere, you’d think he’d lose value switching to left, but his best season by WAR was when the Twins primarily used him in a corner spot. Could just be a fluke I guess, who knows.

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          1. You root to lose to get the better pick that transforms the team to competitive and winning…like all the rest of professional sport’s champions have done . Seems to logical to explain!

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            1. That’s not exactly a foolproof plan in baseball. There are so few baseball prospects that are ready to play with the big league club within 2-3 years, let alone immediately. And once they do make it, it takes them some time to be a big time contributor. It’s not like football or basketball where you can get a guy you can instantly plug into your starting lineup.

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            2. The same teams pick in the top third of the MLB draft year after year after year. By your logic, they should all have rings for their effort. Meanwhile, the same teams compete for the World Series year after year: Yankees. Red Sox. Cardinals. Angels. Braves. Aside from an off year or two, these teams don’t tank, and it does not affect them in the wins column.

              The idea that a team can rebuild through one high draft pick in baseball is naive and pollyanaish.

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            3. You forgot the other contending teams of Washington. Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Detroit, Rays and the Royals.
              Were you go wrong in your logic, the free agent Latin American market now will dry out a little for the big-spenders under the latyest CBA and monetary restrictions …the Yankees. Rangers, Braves and Sox will not have the luxury of out-spending small-market teams for top LA talent, that they all used to fortify their farm systems and re-load their major league rosters.

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            4. So you’ve lowered your standard to contending teams now? Earlier, it was championship. Bottom line: the teams you listed have collectively won one World Series since 1990.

              I’m not going to get into a back-and-forth with an anonymous poster, so I’ll leave it at this: True championship teams don’t tank seasons in order to pick one player that may or may not turn out to be an All Star five or six years down the road. And no fans should root for their teams to fail for that same purpose.

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            5. I don’t want a losing team nor would I root for them to lose, but I do not mind going through a small rebuild and change into a younger team. If we could get something good in return I feel like we should trade away Papelbon, Lee, Utley, M Young and just cut D Young.

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            6. So with the hypo…Phillies out of the playoffs in September, and seated at 11th position from the bottom….go ahead and win the remaing dozen or so games, rather then play the kids and lose and get a top ten pick….plus the ability to select a FA without forfeiting that pick. A true fan like yourself, would undoubtedly want to win the the remaining dozen or games and be proud of this non-playoff team since they did win at the end.

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            7. I WANT them to lose , hoping that amaro and charlie, are gone.. only part of the problem. but its a start. montgomery should follow them next. If you like to root for this brain trust then go ahead, but its proving more and more, it can’s do anything right.why in gods name was michael young still at third with a two run lead, in the ninth with paplebon on the mound. charlie is a moron, always was, but the team was so good, It overcame his mistakes.

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      2. I’m rooting for them to lose to save Rube from himself. The worst thing this team can be is just on the cusp of playoff contention at the deadline, because that means they’ll start trading prospects again, which is exactly when we don’t want.

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  13. Vince I really hope your right. but Montgomery is like Giles, he will stay with him longer than he should. Maybe the owners will influence montgomery into making a change.

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    1. Betz Family and Buck Family need to sell the team to John Middleton. Then the culture of this team changes after 50 years,

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  15. I’ve never posted here b4 but i have to say, this site is some of the most interesting reading in philly sports right now. Keep up the great work guys.

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    1. Green. Not really. 9Ks in 22 ABs, and 3 throwing errors already.

      I’m glad to see Knapp is transitioning to wood bats well, and Lino is hitting.

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      1. VOR it is becoming glaringly obvious you don’t think highly of Z Green. He’s had shown exactly what we need from a 3rd baseman – power. Everything you say about this kid is negative. Get from behind your computer and go watch him play before you spout about his lack of BBs and K rates. Let it play out man.

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        1. I mean VOR is introducing caution in getting too excited about a 2nd year player in Williamsport in such a small sample size that will have to deal with K issues and still needs to show he can stick at 3rd. He’s such a long way away and I’m sure VOR will be watching him hoping he turns into a great player but people always blow things out of proportion before enough time has passed. 22 ABs and you’re treating him like he’s the real deal.

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          1. It is such a small sample size or SSS as you guys like to refer to it. just saying that in only 6 games he is leading the team in hits and HR. someone simply makes a comment about him being the bright right now and instead it gets scoffed by someone who I guarantee has never seen him play. Lets learn to give credit when it’s due. I just don’t understand the negativity and arrogance from some posters

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            1. Sample size is very important when you’re talking about contact rates, but less so with power. Generally, if you demonstrate that you have power – you have it. Contact rates will then dictate how well you tap into that power. Not sure where he’s hitting the 4 baggers (home or on the road), but if it’s in Williamsport, that’s freaking impressive.

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            2. Two in Jamestown, one in Williamsport. The on at Bowman Field was a laser just inside the foul pole that never got more than about 30 feet off the ground. Cutters play 6 of their next 8 at home, so I’ll get an extended look at them.

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          2. Not that I think he’s doing it here, but VOR tends to have a bit of a bias towards some players and overly harsh towards the posters that show any enthusiasm towards said players. Dugan being a prime example. Saying a guy is a “bright spot” right now through a few games is hardly treating him like he’s the real deal and VOR’s comment is neither constructive nor contributing towards any discussion about ZG.

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            1. Thanks for the feedback. I realize whenever you write something critical about a player, that comes off as being harsh, but I did not relize I was being harsh to the posters as well.

              I do have to disagree with your assesment of my reply. The original post does not say Green is ‘A bright spot…’, it said Green is ‘THE’ bright spot the Crosscutters’. I disagreed with that, I think Knapp and Lino’s starts are just as promising. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

              As for my post not being constructive, that is in the eye of the reader. There was nothing snarky in that post.

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            2. “Green. Not really.” Yep, VOR, no snark there at all. I genuinely do like most of your posts. You’re well informed, but you do tend to be a little short when it’s a player you don’t seem to like.

              There’s nothing wrong with you thinking other players are having just as promising starts but you tend to want to tear down the guy getting praised by the other poster (justifiably or not). ZG is not the only player you do this with. I will admit that tone is impossible to convey over a computer but sometimes that’s how you come off.

              *Changed my name so you can have a little fun at my expense 😉

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      1. Which Lakewood guys do you expect to breakout in the second half? possible promotions to and from Lakewood?

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  18. I think the baseball gods are toying wit us. Hewitt goes 3 – 4 with 2 HRs and 4 RBIs. He was in his usual funk, batting under .200 in his previous 10. But something’s different. He only had 7 Ks in his previous 10 games. He wasn’t hitting well but he was making contact more often than usual. He also had 3 BBs. He’s never been near a .750 OPS in his career and he’s knocking on the door. I’d love to see a .275 avg, 15 HRs and decent fielding for the year. It doesn’t put him in the big leagues but at least makes me feel better about the former top pick.

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    1. Perhaps Hewitt would be more acceptable to the fans in CBP in RF vs Delmon currently in RF! Showcasing him is not a bad thing at this point.

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  20. Mecias with 8 Ks in 3.1 innings yesterday. He’s forcing people to take notice this season.

    Severino finally turned into a pumpkin, at least for one night. It will be interesting to see how he rebounds.

    Larry Greene with his second-straight two-hit game. Hopefully this is the start of something …

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    2. Make that three straight two-hit games for Larry Greene. He’s .324/.350/.459 in his past 10. Huzzah!

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  21. Dugan on his way up:
    Clearwater rightfielder Kelly Dugan, who entered the weekend batting .339 with eight home runs, 29 RBIs and a .991 OPS, could be in line for a promotion. “He is making a strong point for a new challenge and it could be on the horizon,” Jordan said. Dugan, a second-round pick in 2009, turns 23 in September.

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  22. I’m not going to lie. Read articles about Hewitt (from Mike Drago) and JC Ramirez (Zolecki) today. They are two guys that have let us down more times than not. But, now I find myself cheering for them more than ever. Think, the fact that Hewitt is still hanging around (2 HRs last night) in AA of all places, makes me believe that there is still a chance, and I think Ramirez could find lightning out of a bottle in the Phillies bullpen.

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    1. Speaking of Hewitt he just went yard again. Valle and Murphy with Homers as well for Fightins.

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          1. 4-4 3B, HR and a BB

            Sick game from Franco. He’s handling the jump better than Sano so far

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            1. He’s actually got 8 career triples. Just goes to show that anything can happen when you hit the ball to the fence.

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  23. My understanding is that he is a fringe prospect at best. Doesn’t have overpowering stuff and he relies on control/command, but has not been getting results at the higher levels (AA and AAA).

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  24. Not in any meaningful sense. As a lefty with a pulse, it’s always possible he throws a few innings as a LOOGY somewhere, but it’s unlikely. He doesn’t have the type of K or BB rates typical of future major-league relievers.

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  25. Maikel Franco is in full out beast mode. He really is vying for the number one prospect status which is impressive because Biddle has improved his stock this year. If he keeps this up he is a top 25 prospect in baseball.

    Surprising Ramirez with 3 Ks in big league debut. Sitting 95-97 with fastball and touching 98 – and they had this kid learning to “pitch to contact”? Are they out of their minds? Given the strong minor league arms we have seen recently and their continued failures as a group, I am beginning to question both the overall quality of the Phillies’ minor league pitching instruction and whether they are doing an adequate job cordinating at each level – are the pitchers getting a coherent message from the low minors up or is each pitching coach mostly following his own personal pitching philosophy? Way, way, way too many astrnomically high ERAs at AAA given their stuff and experience. It is beyond troubling.

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    1. Aumont complained about this exact problem when he was sent down to AAA the last time (in April, I believe). It was something to the effect of, “they tell me to do one thing in Philly, and something completely different in Lehigh Valley.” He sounded frustrated at the time.

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      1. Apparently his frustrations have continued into his stint in LHV. Here’s an article from a few weeks ago:
        http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/ironpigs/index.ssf/2013/06/phillippe_aumont_focusing_on_w.html

        “It’s very, very confusing,” a frustrated Aumont said after batting practice on Saturday. “Baseball is a very confusing thing because you have so many people who have so many different perspectives on how to do things. At the major league level, (bullpen coach) Rod (Nichols) is telling me something, then I come down here and can hear different stuff. Which way do I go? Do I want to please the people while I’m down here right now or do I do the things the big league wants me to do even if I’m not doing the stuff they want me to do here?”

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        2. That is a terrible sign and utterly inexcusable – the sign of a weak and incoherent organization. You can bet the the farm that the Rays and Cardinals do not have their major league and AAA pitching coaches giving conflicting advice to ptchers. Unreal but it explains a lot. It has gotten to the point where the Phillies are literally wasting pitching talent because these guys really do have great arms.

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    2. I’m not sure what they teach in the minors. I saw Rosin at Reading today. He did fine overall, but threw too many pitches and seemed to be pitching stupid. Numerous times he quickly got out front into a 0 – 2 or 1-2 count and then proceded to nibble, throwing three and frequently four balls. He actually walked a couple of the guys he had buried in the count. Only one of the hitters struck out swinging at one of the nibble pitches outside the strike zone. It was as if the batters knew they could lay off the next several pitches, because they wouldn’t be strikes. Don’t know if this is on Rosin, the pitching coach, the manager, or Valle but it was striking how a guy could get two quick strikes with easy and then seem to be afraid to throw the ball in the zone.

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  26. Hopefully today was a sign of good things for Ramirez. Weird enough a change of scenery
    may turn it around, that change just happens to be the Majors. I saw him at 92-94 2 months back. Maybe the 98 was just butterflies.

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