Box Score Recap – 6/18/2013

Box Score Recap

Nice night from Seth Rosin – threw 69% strikes as he got the 7 inning CG. Don’t know how many strikes Hoby Milner threw, just know that a good number of his pitches wound up falling in play and resulting in runs. Not his best. Maikel Franco with HR #16. Good night from Zach Green – 2 doubles and the first homerun of the year for Williamsport.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130618

6-18-13 boxscores

100 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/18/2013”

  1. Good to see Green with the first big game from a Crosscutter. Dugan is up to 10% BB rate on the year, him and Franco are now just wasting time by staying in Clearwater.

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    1. Dugan has walked twice in three of his past five games, and has seven BBs over that span. Nice to see Cozens showing a good eye as well, with 3 BBs in his first two games.

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        1. Yeah, I can just hear the interview now “We were strongly considering promoting Kelly and we’ll probably do that in the not too distant future, but we’re a little concerned about him being too passive and not getting the bat off his shoulder in clutch situations. Sure we want him to swing at good pitches, but you don’t drive in a lot of runs with walks. He needs to have a more aggressive approach at the plate. We’re looking for run producers – like we hope Delmon will become when he settles in – we feel Kelly has a bright future, but again, he needs to be more aggressive about swinging in good hitting counts.”

          Tell me you can’t envision him saying almost exactly this? Moron.

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            1. I’ve mastered Ruben speak. The grammar and cageiness of a very smart person combined with the analytical skills of a radio talk show host.

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          2. Your post is in bad taste as your dislike of RAJ comes through. I doubt you could handle the job but keep up the armchair GM stint!

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            2. What? How is my post in bad taste? I am lampooning the guy in a very clean way – it’s called satire. I don’t hate Ruben Amaro as a person, but there are many things he does that are really dumb. And he says incredibly stupid things at times (like he doesn’t care about walk. What????).

              And, by the way, WE ARE ALL ARMCHAIR GMs – that’s half the purpose of this site. If your point is that I’m not allowed to criticize him because I couldn’t be a better GM myself, that’s absurd (and not necessarily true, but I won’t get into that). The point is whether he was a good hire and whether there are others who could do the job better. I hate to break it to you, but, yes, there are many people who could do the job better than Ruben – like 2/3 of the current GMs in major league baseball. .

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  2. Sign of the times in Reading: Collier-Hewitt-Valle-Gillies hitting 6-7-8-9 in the lineup.

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    2. Hewitt has often batted ninth. 7th in an interleague DH lineup is high in the order for him. For some reason, Collier has remained relatively high in the order, while Hewitt and Gillies have outhit hi. I have no idea what the deal is with Valle. Maybe he is 5 years older than his listed age, maybe he is hurt. He has certainly gone downhill in a hurry over the past 12 months.

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  3. What Franco is doing at Clearwater at his age is very exciting. Truly a breakout year for him. Considering his age and league, his power is elite. Keep this in mind..in the last 8 years, no player in the FSL has hit more than 29 homeruns (done once). The next highest in any year was 26. He is on pace to break that easily. And at only 20 years old. That is elite power.

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    1. Matt only sees 65 raw power, I agree that statistically, it looks like more, but have you seen a scout project 70/75 power tool for him?

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      1. The raw power tool is the kind of thing you have to see in action to judge. That being said, the incredible double and HR rates in the FSL would seem to suggest at least 70 raw power. It is certainly possible, perhaps probable, his power is growing as he matures and gets more comforable.

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        1. Projecting him at 70/75 completely changes his equation IMO. His biggest knock for not being a top prospect was not having an elite tool, that sir, would be an elite tool (and IMO one of the two most important ones… the other being contact)… meanwhile his K% has dropped to 13.5, fantastic.

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        2. I don’t see it yet, I realize the numbers but I would still project him to be right about 30 HRs a year with about as many 2Bs in his prime. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

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          1. I’m not being sarcastic… but what would it take for you to “see it”? 15 more HR’s in 250 AB’s at Reading this year?

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            1. You want to see him hit tap measure shots off of big league stuff trying to exploit him. He has hit 10 of his 16 HRs at home which is a fairly good park for power (he hits more doubles on the road). He also needs to consistently have opposite field power which is something he is just starting to flash. It is also going to take scouts talking about plus plus power when up to this point it has been talk of plus raw power. I see a guy who is going to have a lot of doubles power but the homerun power is not going to be as loud as people think based on his numbers. True elite power is park independent.

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            2. “I’m not being sarcastic… but what would it take for you to “see it”? 15 more HR’s in 250 AB’s at Reading this year?”

              Watch him play.

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          2. I don’t disagree with your projection. That is great power at 3B. Really plus. Better than how the scouts grade him out. If he can keep in enough shape to play good defensive 3B, those numbers will make him a quality 3B for a decade.

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        3. The ‘raw power tool’ is somewhere between a dream and a myth. A thing judged from physique and batting practice. It tells us that LGJ has huge power and Franco is kind of ordinary. So, to be rated higher as a prospect, Franco needs to focus more on batting practice and less on game performance. Franco shows excellent in-game power. I’ll take that over a great ‘raw power tool’ every day of the week and twice on Sunday. But, but the scouts disagree. If his age is correct and he is pounding homers at this clip in a league which he is young for, then the scouts who downgrade his power are using a very flawed yardstick.

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          1. I think, after a player has been drafted and spent a little time in the minors, the “raw power” numbers are based mostly on assessments or projections resulting from in-game performance. It’s why Hunter Pence is graded as having about 60/65 power and not the 75 power he shows in BP. Matt described it well, it’s an ability to hit the ball far out of the park and drive it to the opposite field for power. It really is in-game power we are talking about with some room for projection as a player fills out and develops.

            Right now, Maikel Franco is looking like he has the power projection of an Aramis Ramirez or Adrian Beltre – which is about 65. That’s really, really good. He also has a good hit tool and a growing plate discipline tool. Combine that with a good arm and fielding and his only apparent hole is his speed. Now, maybe he is hitting tape measure shots – I don’t know. But even if he doesn’t, he’s a hell of a prospect right now.

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    2. One consideration, no one has hit more than 26 in the FSL because most who are on pace get promoted to AA. Hard to hit 26 in half a year. Franco now on the way to AA and will not be able to surpass the 26 mark either.

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  4. Franco w/ a RC+ of 155… and his BB% is just about 7% now… his star is continuing to rise.

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  5. Rosin is the real deal. Watched most of the game last night and his slider was filthy. Saw he credited Lundquist with helping him with it this year. Had a ton of swing and misses. His FB velo is hitting 96 in the later innings too. I’m excited to see him progress.

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    2. That’s great to hear. I’ve always viewed Rosin as a possible Vance Worley replacement. A very nice 3 or 4 with more upside if he keeps his velocity and develops an out pitch. It’s always good to have these guys because they can give you quality starts and they can be valuable trade bait after they hit the majors and establish some track record. The one thing the Phillies have been very good at in the last few years is figuring out who is a premier arm and who is a useful arm. Useful arms can be traded and replaced. Premier arms you keep or try to acquire.

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      2. Rosin will have a nice long MLB career. His off-speed has greatly improved and obviously has good command. I also think he will be the best return in the Pence deal.

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        1. Let’s see him develop some consistency before we anoint him the patron saint of Broad Street.. but damn, I can get just as excited as the next guy.

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      2. Who gets benched for Dugan? Hewitt, Collier, Gillies? Those guys are still–ostensibly–prospects. There has to be a space for him to play. I guess he could move back to first for the time being.

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            1. You suggesting or reporting? Either way, if they promote Dugan, the rest of those OFs in Reading can take turns on the pine as far as I’m concerned.

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            2. Reporting:

              Mike Drago ‏@mldrago 45m
              Derrick Mitchell, batting .229 with 5 HRs, has been sent from Reading to Lehigh Valley. He spent all of 2012 with Iron Pigs #phillies

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          2. I would have agreed with you two weeks ago but after turning ice cold, getting yanked for lack of effort, and getting banished from the #1 hole to the #9 I don’t see Gillies getting rewarded. On the other hand, I don’t think you block a better prospect, Dugan, for the sake of three prospects that appear fringy at best.

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            1. Honestly, Hewitt might be the best of the 3. Moved up a level and improved in every category. So by some kind of math law – by the time he hits the majors he’ll be an all-star.

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        3. gillies stinks,. collier stinks not a tough choice, both of them cant play and hewitt is right behind them, so imo, gillies should be released, collier demoted, and dugan up to reading

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    1. Are they bringing anyone else up with him? That’s going to be tough considering the rest of the Reading lineup is awful

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        1. Me neither. My only thought is that they ehave a set number of ABs they wanted him to have at CLW and he hasn’t reached that yet after missing the first few weeks of the season.

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        2. Guy isn’t aggressive enough at the plate, a walk is not a positive outcome because you can’t hit homeruns without swinging. Duh 🙂

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        1. I think that’s exactly the reason. I also think they’d like to see him, for a few weeks anyway, as the anchor hitter in a line-up. I don’t expect it will be long at all before Dugan is promoted and I think it’s possible that he might be double-jumped to AAA, especially if he continues to combine plate disipline, average and power – Dugan is in big time breakout mode and not a moment too soon. The Phillies have to know that they have a disaster brewing in right field, right (although they are apparently too dumb to realize that Mayberry is a better player than D. Young right now and that a Mayberry/Nix platoon would be far superior to the drek that is Delmon Young)?

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            3. Admittedly, very infrequently, particularly to AAA and particularly in season. But I don’t view this as a normal season for the Phillies (Phillies desperate for offense at major league level and for high ceiling, cheap, young replacement players next year) and I don’t view Dugan as a typical breakout hitter (his development has been stunted up to now by lack of playing time – everything is coming together for this guy as a hitter at one time – a really astonishing development).

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            4. No, AA is not the big testing groud FOR HITTERS (it is for pitchers). Reading is an unusually favorable hitting environment. Almost all of the good hitters show no regression when they go from Clearwater to Reading and, actually, often experience a big step forward. The real testing ground for hitters in the Phils’ system is AAA – the difference from AA is really pronounced.

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            5. I’m talking about competition-wise not park dependent factors. The jump between the quality of off-speed and breaking balls between A+ to AA is greater than from AA to AAA.

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            6. It’s never seemed that way to me. I think the biggest jump for hitters – at least in our system – is to AAA. Look how many hitters the Phils had who raked almost right away at AA but struggled at AAA (at least initially) – Rizzotti, Taylor, Overbeck, Ruf, Hernandez. And there are many more I am sure I am forgetting.

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  10. Interestingly, this means Franco could get called up to the majors as soon as the All-Star break next year depending on how things go at AA this year and next year along with the needs at the major league level.

    I personally believe Asche will get the start at 3B out of spring training next year, if he flounders, coupled with continuing his insane performance, Franco could see himself in the majors sooner then most of us thought possible.

    I’m very excited about his promotion.

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    1. Also, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see him struggle initially. Miguel Sano for example has 1 hit in 6 games thus far in AA, pretty crappy.

      If things go well for him, his most likely start day at the MLB level is still Spring of 2015.

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      1. Myself of am more of a fan of slower progression. I don’t mean 1,000 AB’s in AAA like Chase Utley got. But for me give Franco this year and most of next in AA. Give him 2015 in AAA. Maybe call him up mid-to-late 2015. But 2016 as an ETA would be plenty fast enough for me. Unless he just dominates at AA and AAA. Same with Dugan.

        Asche was a college guy, so he is different. But for HS players I like to see them move slower. I think they do get some benefits from a more methodical movement thru the farm. Obviously physically as they fill out and get experience. But also mentally and emotionally being better prepared to handle the MLB grind.

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        1. Purely from a financial perspective, I would probably follow your strategy above, but it very much depends on a ton of other factors, interesting to watch for sure!

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          1. Agreed. One thing I will say is that from my imperfect vantage point, it appears that since Joe Jordan moved over from the Orioles, the Phillies have gotten more aggressive advancing guys. At least it feels different. It used to seem like they were much more cautious advancing guys.

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            1. More aggressive is certainly a good thing considering how they used to do things. But I just worry a bot that they start being too aggressive due to the needs at the major league level.

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        2. If Franco takes as long as he did in Lakewood before he lit it up. then he’ll have the rest of the year at AA to struggle. He’ll start in AA next year and hit AAA late in 2014. If Asche isn’t playing 3B in Philly next year, I reserve the right to adjust the timetable.

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    2. Hate to break this to you, but Franco could be called up to the majors as early as this year. Not at all likely, but certainly possible if he goes on to become one of the best hitters in AA and the Phillies decide they desperately need a hitter for a September playoff run. Crazier things have happened and, by the way, I expect Franco to rake like a banshee at Reading. He should have a much harder time at Lehigh Valley (honestly, in terms of equivalencies, I’m not sure Lehigh Valley is all that much different from CBP – the jump from Reading to AAA/LhV is, by my estimation, very significant).

      Also, my thoughts on when you promote a player, particularly a postiion player, vary from those stated above. The real issue, with a very young player, is when is the player is ready to be a good position regular. If that’s at age 20, that’s when you promote the player. Harper and Trout were obviously ready and so they were promoted. A-Rod was ready when he was 19 or 20. Once Franco is ready, promote him. This team needs hitters and if they have a 20 or 21 year old star waiting in the wings who can produce now, by all means, bring him up. Money saved on that player can be used to fill other needs.

      I feel a little different with pitchers because a guy who is brought up too young may not develop a full arsenal of pitches and, even worse, could be overused and hurt his arm. So with pitchers, I’d be much more circumspect about an early promotion.

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  11. Is Franco a Top-100 guy right now? Or let me rephrase that; Do you feel that the powers that be would recognize Franco as a Top-100?

    if he’s not, he’s certainly knocking on the door

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    1. Yes I’d say he’s probably in the 75 range at least and maybe knocking on the door of top 50

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    2. I think the growing consensus is he is likely in the 50-75 range depending on how much you believe. I saw him in the 90s on some lists to start the year.

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  12. No mention of the fact that Lino had back to back 3 hit games to start his season? This is a guy that we were led to believe had a world of talent if he could figure it out. Fingers crossed, 6 hits in two games is a great start. And Zach Green is starting out like I expected, he’s a beast. Unfortunately, Walding hasn’t progressed as well as I had hoped for so Green will have to spend the entire season at WSport to get at bats. If he kills it and Walding doesn’t improve, I could see them double bumping Green to CWater next year and leaving Walding to repeat LWood. I’m assuming they’ll start Crawford in the GCL but I would love to see him in the WSport lineup with Pullin and Green.

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    1. Walding is at 88 wRC+. He hasnt been terrible and will probably move to Clearwater next season. No reason for him to repeat. Green is exciting however. And Lino is my breakout short-season ball candidate. Reports on him changing his swing have been very positive.

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    2. no repeat for walding, he’ll be clearwater bound, a very good all around player, alot of doubles and clutch rbi”s and a good fielder !

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  13. If the Phillies are looking for a trade partner, the scout said the Rangers are likely the best fit. The Rangers’ single-A affiliate, the Hickory Crawdads, sent six players, including Gallo, to the All-Star Game, which began after a long rain delay.
    “Texas has got enough depth that they could consider moving any of these guys in the right deal,” the scout said. “The Hickory guys that are in this game are all legitimate prospects.”
    Other Texas prospects who could interest the Phillies are outfielder Lewis Brinson (13 home runs, 12 stolen bases), shortstop Ryan Rua (22 home runs, 61 RBIs), and catcher Jorge Alfaro. Lefthander Alex Claudio and righty C.J. Edwards have high strikeout totals and low ERAs.
    Along with Gallo, the best pull at the game for the Phillies would be Stetson Allie, a converted pitcher with a powerful frame in the Pirates organization. In his first year as a first baseman, Allie already owns the most impressive line in the league with a .324 average and a 1.021 OPS.
    “It’s tough to have success the first year coming as a pitcher going to hit every day,” another major-league scout said. “It’s kind of rare, so I would say out of everybody, that stands out for me.”

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    1. If the Phillies make any trades, think they will target top prospects who have made it out of A ball… I would never trade Lee to any team if not getting their best prospect or two back. Teams need to overpay for Lee or I am ok waiting and keeping him. Same with Pap but maybe only for 1 top player and an A ball addition. May not get that back, but I would just keep them.

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  14. Surprised no one’s talking about Zambrano after an impressive outing last night. I would be most interested to know what his velocity was. Was it anywhere in the 90’s or was it Cloydesque?

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    1. It is more a mark of how far the system has come. At third base he is likely behind Asche, Franco, Walding, Green, and Hernandez and while he is good sign, he probably won’t crack the Top 30 in the system. That being said, a talented hitter is always a good thing.

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      2. Trey Williams was ranked #99 by BA last year, coming out of HS. Zach Green was ranked #385, last year. This year, after 1 year of JC, Trey Williams is ranked 275. At the very least, he is an equal talent to Zach Green.

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        1. Just so that I am not missing anything, just because BA says ranks Williams higher than Green then that’s gospel? If that is the only basis for comparison to evaluate these two, that’s pretty weak. Green was a 3rd rd draft pick despite where BA ranked him. Someone obviously thinks highly of him.

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          1. BA isn’t the gospel. Also, MLB ranked Williams 84, last year.
            But that isn’t the point. To say Green is the better talent, just because he played in the GCL last year, and Trey Williams didn’t, is faulty. We went though this before, when 99% of this board, thought it was a foregone conclusion that Tyler Greene was a better prospect than Roman Quinn, coming into last season, just because Tyler Greene got a few ABs in GCL, while Quinn was holding out.

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            1. I didn’t imply Green was the better talent because he has GCL under his belt. Have you personally seen them both play? The point I’m trying to make is that Green was a 3rd rd pick and Williams was an 11th – out of H. S., regardless of BA or MLBs ranking. On its face IMO Green has the edge here . Green was a 3rd rounder for a reason and Williams only 11th for a reason.

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            2. I don’t think MattWinks was saying Green is definitely a better talent than Williams. It looks like he was saying Green would be ranked ahead of him in a Top 30 type prospect ranking, partially because he has more pro experience.

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          2. green is a player, go watch him hit, a double to left, a double to right, and a long home run in big williamsport park. just a small example of watch you’ll see. phils need righty bats

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