Box Score Recap – 6/10/2013

Box Score Recap

Now that’s a good start from Austin Wright – 5 1/3IP, 0R, 2H, 2BB, 7K, threw more than 2/3 of his pitches for strikes. Let’s all cross our fingers he’s back to normal. Franco and Dugan both with HR off Mets prospect Noah Syndergaard, ranked #54 by BA this offseason. Good to see.

Also of note: rain. Rain’s been huge lately. Really finding its groove. Looking for that June 15 promotion. 

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130610

6-10-13 boxscores

50 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/10/2013”

    1. “Hope” is the thing with feathers –
      That perches in the soul –
      And sings the tune without the words –
      And never stops – at all –

      And sweetest – in the Gale – is heard –
      And sore must be the storm –
      That could abash the little Bird
      That kept so many warm –

      I’ve heard it in the chillest land –
      And on the strangest Sea –
      Yet – never – in Extremity,
      It asked a crumb – of me.

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    1. I think the manager said something about hustle. “Hustle” and “attitude” probably go hand in hand a lot of times.

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  3. Florida State League Hitting Leaders:

    BA:
    1. Kelly Dugan
    2. Cameron Perkins
    7. Aaron Altherr

    HR:
    4. Maikel Franco

    2B
    1. Maikel Franco
    2. Aaron Altherr
    6. Cameron Perkins

    OBP
    2. Kelly Dugan

    SLG
    2. Kelly Dugan
    6. Maikel Franco
    7. Aaron Altherr

    OPS
    2. Kelly Dugan
    7. Cameron Perkins
    8. Aaron Altherr
    10. Maikel Franco

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    1. this is like the baby aces, I’d say it breaks down like this:
      Franco (best prospect)= cosart
      altherr (strikouts)= may (walks)
      Dugan= colvin (damaged)
      Perkins= Pettibone (undervalued and solid)

      Hopefully more of these guys end up in Philly!

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        1. I guess Serritella, probably never gonna be anything, but he’s consistently with them and helping the team a little

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          1. I had some hope for him aswell , but not looking great this year thats for sure

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  4. Will they just release Gilies already??? I keep seeing posts to the effect of “hes making me pay attention to him again”. Stop it!!!! hes a bum and a head case. Gillies, Aumont, and Ramirez for Clifton Phifer Lee is by far the worst trade in the organizations history and there is no defense for it.

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    2. Worst phillies trade imo curt schilling for a drunk named padilla,. a 19 game loser who was 35 i believe, and lee a flop first round draft choice. three guys who stunk. for at the time one of the best right hand pitchers in baseball. second was Sanberg and Bowa , for De Jesus., and third Ferguson Jenkins a hall of famer for nothing. and of course Sanberg is a hall of famer too. And following the Astros farm system, right now the pence trade has a chance to be the worst baseball trade ever, villar will most likely be a 15 homerun 260 hitting shorttop, cosart number are getting better, too many walks but he will be a major league pitcher, santana ever cuts down his strikeout, my god he will be awesome, even with his strikeouts he is 330 obp, and singleton could be a allstar stud.

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      2. Villar is from the Oswalt Trade, though the Pence deal could turn into a pretty bad trade. Lots of time to watch the prospects on both ends of Hunter Pence. Padilla was 22 at the time of that trade – not 35 – not sure if that was meant as sarcasm, and he did contribute a little bit to the team. Not much, but Schilling wanted out and was unlikely to sign as a FA, so “not much” is better than him walking away. Sandberg was a throw in and had a full career away from the Phillies when they could have kept him and let him do the same in Philly. That’s the worst trade by a mile. If you think the Pence deal is worse, you’re putting an awful lot of stock in the 3 Houston players, and absolutely zero in Joseph, and ignoring that Pence did give you a full year of above average baseball at essentially a fair price in the middle. We will also, in the end, need to factor in what Pence does in San Fran this year, as we could have kept him and let him play out his contract. He’s been having a pretty nice year so far.

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    4. also don’t forget the abreu trade, i dont think anyone of those prospects got past double-a?

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    5. No defense of the trade? There was actually sound logic behind that trade. The trade was made to restock the system after the trades for Lee from the Indians (4 minor leaguers) and Halladay (3 minor leaguers). The FO was actually looking down the road and saying – It’s not sustainable to keep trading away prospects for the benefit of the major league team. RAJ and Monty said as much in the days after the trade. Now of course having Lee and Halladay in 2010 would’ve cancelled out the trade for Oswalt in late 2010, but at the time the team wanted to restock the farm so that the system didn’t fall into the depths of hell.

      I grant you there is no defense of the players chosen, but the logic of that trade is something that seemed to have been forgotten in 2011 when going all in for Pence.

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      1. I never really bought that logic from the team – it was a payroll move. They chose Halladay and a contract over Lee and uncertainty. The FO could have tried harder to lock up Lee, but if they had, they would not have been allowed to go get Halladay. For what we gave up for Cliff Lee, and the half a year of great pitching he gave in return, I’m less and less upset about the Cliff Lee deals as time goes on. Carlos Carrasco’s the only possible plus left for Cleveland, and Aumont’s the only one for Philly, (and less than 1% chance Gillies gives you some value, I guess), and we got 3 months of Cliff. I call it a wash right now. And if Carrasco flames out and Aumont ever does anything, it looks even better. Would it have been nice to never have to have given up Cliff and gotten Roy? Sure. But with the way they were spending in 2010, before the sellout streak was really working for them, it would not have happened.

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        1. Was Blanton signed to his extension before or after the Lee to Seattle deal? Money could’ve been saved on not signing him and keeping Lee. That’s why I didn’t really think the Lee deal was a salary dump. The team was pretty conscious of building a winning farm system after it had produced the core in the naughts. There seemed to be a philosophical shift in 2010-11 though. When the team went all in on Oswalt, then signing Lee and then Pence.

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          1. That Cliff Lee trade was a pure salary dump — it was always going to be Lee or Halladay, not both. As evidenced by the fact that the Phillies insisted on getting money back from the Blue Jays on the Halladay deal — and certainly gave up at least one extra prospect for that money.

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            1. It wasn’t a pure salary dump. They were getting cost certainty with Halladay signed to an extension. I kinda agree with what Brad said above. However, dealing Lee wouldn’t have been a crazy bad idea if the team had gotten a starter or two back. I think that’s the thing that hurts the most.

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          2. Blanton was at the very least offer arb before the deal (they could not have waited to make a decision on him), not sure if the extension was signed, but he was on the books for 10 million plus for 2010 when the deal was made.

            Look, say what you will about the Lee deal, and I’m the last person to defend Amaro, but it is 100% the case that Amaro (in terms of owner payroill restrictions) had to trade Lee if he was to make the Halladay trade. Hindsight is 20-20, but the payroll at the time was still one of the highest in baseball, so I’m not even sure you can criticize ownership that much.

            It boggles the mind that, after dozens of bad moves by Amaro, THIS is still the one that, even now, seems to arouse the most passion. I don’t get it. Even apart from the fact that Amaro’s hands were tied, the difference not doing the trade would have made is almost nil. It wouldn’t have mattered in 2010, and he was on the team in 2011. The only long term effect was the indirect loss of Villar – not trivial, but he looks like a guy whose upside is a decent regular, and probably more likely second division regular or bench guy. Not like the Pence deal. Heck, even if you want to assign blame to Amaro for the deal, and ignore the fact that the prospects in the deal (Gillies especially) looked, at the time, better than they do now, I wouldn’t rank this among Amaro’s 10 worst moves.

            I think there’s a common theme here – the same people who are still complaining about the Lee deal are the guys who think we can retool the team with young stars by trading our vets. Trading for prospects is always a crap shoot at best, and people massively exaggerate the reasonable expected returns for such trades. Really just about the only time that can’t miss prospects change hands is when a player with multiple years of team control at below market salary get traded.

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            1. I think It stands out to people because all of Amaro’s big moves were of the ‘win now’ variety except for this one, and it looks a little silly in hindsight because they found the money for Lee the next year. Yes it only mattered it 2010, but it might of REALLY mattered in 2010, we’ll never know, but trading Lee was their last attempt at restraint before they just said screw it started trading prospects and spending money like crazy, making big moves like Oswalt, Lee again, and Pence every year.

              I understand why they did it, but the Phillies really tried to walk a strange tightrope by both ‘winning now’ and gaining cost certainty for the next several years(exchanging Lee for Halladay in 2009, resigning Howard prematurely). It really boxed them in.

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      2. No, that was the cover story. The trade was made in order to shed enough salary that RAJ could afford to acquire Halladay. One could argue that RAJ would have been better off foregoing the Halladay deal and just going forward with the prospects and Lee. But… the Lee trade was never an independent trade. It was a strict salary dump done to enable the Halladay trade. It was done on the QT with Gillicks old gang in Seattle, likely so as not to alert other teams that Halladay was available. Those who think we could have had both Halladay and Lee will never accept the reality that RAJ actually has a budget which he must abide by.

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    6. I feel like, 2 months ago, you could have swapped out “Gillies” for “Brown” and nobody would have batted an eyelash.

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      2. Not really since at least half the people here thought Brown’s slow development was caused by mismanagement by the organization whereas Gillies’ has been injury and attitude.

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    8. the one with ryne sandberg , i would say could be worse , Aumont has a chance to be a reliever you put into games when either your down by alot or up by even more.

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  5. Interested to see how Rupp does in AAA. He seemed to be heating up after a so-so start to the year in AA, as it seems he does every year. With all these catching injuries it wouldn’t surprise me to see him in Philly late this year.

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    1. Not true. Not even close to true. There have been Brown haters on this forum, but there have also been strong Brown boosters.

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    2. Doesn’t hurt to bring him up September 1, or earlier if you intend to keep him through the end of the year. He’s going to be added to the 40-man this off-season anyway, and he won’t burn an option unless he has to be sent down before September 1.

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    3. Interesting at this point to think about the 2014 catching situation. Joseph won’t be ready. Ruiz … I guess he could be back with a VERY team friendly deal, but at this point I wouldn’t sign him for more than a year. Kratz was really heating up when injured; not a long term solution at all, but maybe a stop gap. Not much on the FA market. Is he under team control? He only signed a one year contract, but I’m surprised he doesn’t have arb years left. If not, obviously he could be gone, though I bet he gets resigned.

      Not saying that Rupp has a chance at the regular job, but if Kratz does get the job, or if Kratz isn’t with the team in 2014, I could see Rupp as the backup next year.

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      1. If Ruiz comes back healthy and puts up normal Ruiz numbers, do you entertain him in trade talks at the deadline?

        I would think you would have to at this point. But what exactly is his value? He’s a 34 YO catcher coming off a hamstring injury and a PED suspension. I don’t know what that brings back. Also, out of the contenders, who needs a catcher?

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  6. You are right, Riggs!!!! Great trade!!!!

    Everyone else, thanks for reminding us of allllllll the terrible trades in Phillies history.

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    1. I never said it was a great trade. I said there was a defense of the logic behind the trade.

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  7. There’s an article on baseballamerica.com about Franco, can any subscribers give us a summary of it?

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    1. In summary

      > Cane to U.S. as a dead pull hitter, now uses all fields
      > Power is described as “prodigious” … One of only 2 players (Miguel Cabrera) to hit tiki bar at brighthose field
      > has an unconventional swing but consistently squares the ball up
      > below average foot speed, but good lateral quickness
      > he says he struggled his first two years with the adjustment to a new country
      > he is a popular teammate with high energy and upbeat personality

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      2. second time we have heard something about his swing. Watched it on youtube and he transfers well and looks like he will be power guy.

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