Box Score Recap – 6/2/2013

Box Score Recap

Cody Asche, Sebastian Valle and Maikel Franco all went deep. A good day for David Buchanan – 7IP/1R/5H/3BB/3K. Kelly Dugan on base four times – his season OPS sits at .991. Severino Gonzalez worked another clean frame – he’s given up just one unearned run in 13 2/3 innings, allowing only six hits and two walks while striking out 15. And Roman Quinn stole home on an executed double steal, in case you see that steal of home and wonder like I did how he pulled it off.

Also of note – Reading 3B Tommy Mendonca went 5-5, including a triple, a run scored and three RBI. Brody Colvin worked a clean ninth in a Reading blow-out win. And Carlos Zambrano struck out three, walked two and gave up four hits in six scoreless innings. According to what he told @BaseballBetsy (www.baseballbetsy.com) after the game, he’s done in Clearwater. Lock up your water coolers, Pennsylvania!

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130602

6-2-13 boxscores

79 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6/2/2013”

  2. With it being June,when do you think Kelly Dugan gets promoted to play RF in Reading?? Seems to me hes not really getting challenged in Clearwater. Still have a lot to rebuild in the farm system but that Clearwater lineup and really helped the overall landscape.

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  3. In the Reading boxscore Brody Colvin pitched the 9th inning. Are they converting him to a reliever/closer?

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    1. They said they “didn’t have a spot in the Reading rotation”, which strikes me as total BS since they have fringe prospects (at best) in Buchanan and Neris in the rotation.

      Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but to me, its pretty clear the org doesn’t think very highly of Colvin anymore.

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      1. He hasn’t stuck out a batter since May 1st and it’s his third subpar season in a row. Crazier stuff has happened with pitchers, but it seems like his career has stalled.

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  4. Pointer is trying to keep up with Quinn in the SB department. Didn’t realize he’s such a speedster, but unfortunately doesn’t look like he can hit at all.

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    1. Pointer is a very good defensive OF in the limited games I’ve seen the last two years, not sure if that’s what others have seen. If he could hit enough, he could make a good extra OF someday with his speed, baserunning skills, and defense.

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  5. * Walding is surprising me the most. He seems to be settling in .250 – .260 range. I did not think he was that type of hitter. He is not flashing potential.

    * Gillies is making me feel like he is a prospect again. It shouldn’t be this much of a yo-yo ride with him but it is. I would imagine his ISO has been impressive past few weeks. At very least maybe he has risen enough to be included in package deal with Lee or Papelbon if the Phillies go that route.

    * Altherr still hitting .324 but SO are concern (15 SO in his last 10 games with zero HR).

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    1. Don’t think Walding should be as concerning as you suggested.. Compared with Franco at the All-Star break last year in LW (Franco was hitting .191 at the break), Walding is progressing beyond expectations.. He’s had one homerun taken from him early last month on a bad call by the umpire (that didn’t see the ball go over the fence.. crazy) and two of the doubles in LW were to the deepest part of the park off the wall, so the numbers don’t show that these 20 yr olds (Quinn and Walding) are really improving quickly against some top quality pitching (yesterday’s guy was throwing 96+ and in WV he reached 100+ when 20+ BlueClaws struck out in extra innings).. So hold the “potential” label until we’ve seen these guys endure a full season.. Once they realize what it takes to make it thru a full season, they’ll “settle” in, relax and play to their “potential”.. We’re seeing that now with Franco, Dugan and others as maturity of the game is “settling” in.. My main concern is the “psyche” of LGreene.. He appears to be overmatched at times and may need to be re-evaluated sooner rather than later..

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      1. I don’t know if you can compare Walding’s 1st half in Lakewood favorably to Maikel Franco’s 1st half.
        Franco was a full year younger than Walding, last year at Lakewood. Also, Walding is striking out at over 24%, while Franco only K’d at 15% during his 1st half, last year. Also, Walding’s ISO is .091, while Franco’s ISO was about .135.
        Really there is no comparison between two player’s seasons.

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        1. Franco is not a full year younger, Walding’s birthday is 9/10/92 & Francos is 8/26/92 & both are 20 years old. There is a 2 week age difference.

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          2. He meant Franco was only 19 at lakewood while walding is now 20 at Lakewood. Franco is a level ahead and probably a level and a half as franco may get promoted in a month or two.

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          3. But yes Franco was in Lakewood at 19 vs Walding at 20 yrs. old. But keep in mind Walding came out of high school & Franco is from the Dominican. But I will agree Franco is tearing it up & Walding will be just find.

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        2. Help me out please. I see the term ISO used on this site. What does it mean. Thank you.

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          1. Isolated Power…..measure of a hitter’s raw power, in terms of extra bases per AB. The formula is SLG-AVG, or (2B+3B*2+HR*3)/AB

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          2. ISO is the difference between Slg% and Batting%.
            Walding’s ISO is terrble, because he only hits singles. So he strikes out almost twice as much as Franco, but hits for less power.

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      2. My point being Franco has been in the system one full year more than Walding (regardless of age) and, yes, Franco’s K% was 10 pts less at the same point in the progression thru A-ball, but looking at both player’s first 300 ABs in the system, there’s about a 7 hit difference between the two, advantage Franco.. Currently Franco has had 980+ career AB vs. Walding’s 430+ career AB’s – so let’s allow the LW guys to get thru their 1st full season before their “potential” is written off..

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      3. Walding seems to be a pretty streaky player right now. He’s had good stretches this season and then falls into a funk for awhile, but it does make me think that there’s potential in there somewhere. Right now he’s hot- last 6 games he’s raised his OPS .60 points.

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    2. Why exactly would the Phillies trade Gillies in a deal with Lee or Papelbon? I was at the Clearwater game yesterday and got to speak to a few people from other orgs who both agreed the Phils will get a haul for Lee if he stays healthy, keeps pitching the way he is, and the Phils decide to part with him. Three separate people all said they think the Phils will get 1) either a very, very good, major league ready prospect, or young contributor already in the big leagues, think top 50 type guy, 2) a second prospect who is a top 100 type but more of a AA or A+ prospect right now, 3) a high cieling, high risk, long way away guy, and 4) not have to throw in any money. I asked the one guy, well I asked all 4 but only one amused me with an answer, what current Phils prospects would make up that package, to try and get a better feel for the three guys in his description and he said – 1) Biddle, 2) Franco, and 3) Tocci. As a follow up, I asked about Biddle being ready and he said “he could get guys out in the big leagues today” and then added he thinks the Phils are doing the right thing by keeping him at AA. Said he will finish the year at AA, start next year at AAA, and the day after the Super 2 thing goes by, he’ll be in Philly.

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      1. I always love hearing what people in other organizations have to say about ours. Good post.

        As for Biddle, I’d much rather him stay in the minors for at least another year. Porcello could get guys out in the big leagues straight out of AA, but at what cost to his long term development? I don’t want Biddle going down that road.

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        1. Porcello would be a bad comparison. He only logged 153 IP in the minors when the Tigers brought him up at age 20.

          If the Phillies bring Biddle up in June of 14 he will be 22 and have logged over 400 IP.

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          1. I’m not comparing Biddle to Porcello, just using Porcello’s stagnant career development as a reason to not rush Biddle.

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      2. I would like to see that kind of deal happen if it’s really possible. I love Cliff Lee but that kind of package is more valuable to me than a few more years off him.

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        1. Those few years could be pretty good. Check out some comps of 36age seasons of past lefties: Granted we are talking many HoFs there.
          Name ———– Record —-WHIP —-ERA
          Steve Carlton 13-4 1.12 2.42
          Warren Spahn 21-11 1.17 2.69
          Randy Johnson 19-7 1.11 2.64
          Sandy Koufax Retired
          Lefty Grove 17-12 1.19 2.81
          Tom Glavine 18-11 1.28 2.96
          Carl Hubbell 11-9 1.13 2.75
          Lefty Gomez Retired
          Whitey Ford 16-13 1.19 3.24
          Ron Guidry 5-8 1.26 3.67
          Jerry Koosman 20-13 1.33 3.38
          Preacher Roe 11-2 1.27 3.12
          Andy Pettitte 14-14 1.40 4.54
          Bobby Shantz 6-4 1.08 1.95

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      4. That’s a great post Buddy. I can’t take credit for the names but if Boston wanted Lee and they were willing to give us Brentz and Webster as the starting point.

        Ideally I want a bonified right handed bat to play left or right. I might be able to get that by just moving Papelbon to the Tigers or the Red Sox.

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    3. I keep waiting for Altherr to come back down to earth, but he keeps crushing the ball. I still don’t know what to think about him.

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        1. Hmmm. If Dugan rakes for another month with excellent plate discipline, I would consider having him double jump to AAA at the beginning of July. I think he may be ready to become a really serious player and if his fielding and other fundamentals are good, I’m truly not sure how much he’ll get out of AA. This is one the few times I’ve advocated or supported a double jump on this site, but I think this guy could do it.

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          1. That’s not a bad idea. He seems advanced enough to handle the jump. It also might help see what we have before a decision is made about adding him to the 40 man.

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          3. A single jump would be plenty. I agree he is almost ready for AA. Just hate to see aggressive double jumps with HS players. It is not as if Dugan has had a huge amount of sustained success after all.

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            1. This is his fifth minor league season though. It’s not like he’s a 19 y/o being double jumped to Clearwater. If anything, you could maybe argue they haven’t been aggressive enough with him. He’s a fairly high pick who’s hit pretty well the last three years. The biggest knock against his numbers in those years is he’s been too old for his level.

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            2. Last year was the first time he didn’t miss a significant portion of a season to injury, and even then he spent about 3 weeks on the shelf, (and again in the early parts of 2013 as well). There’s little room to be much more aggressive when the guy hasn’t been on the field. I like him in AA in the middle of this month if his defense is up to a promotion. Can’t judge that really as I haven’t seen it nor seen enough pro scouting opinions on it.

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            3. That is kind of where I am. He really has not played that much baseball and has only dominated for a month. You right that defense could also be just as important, especially since he really does not have that much time in the OF after splitting some time at 1B last year. Finishing this year in AA is plenty aggressive for me and would be a pleasant surprise.

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  6. After appearing as though Severino was being stretched out, he’s now pitched 2 and then 1 inning in his most recent appearances. Still, results are amazing. 13.2IP – 6H – 2BB – 0ER – 15K

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  7. Kelly Dugan needs to be moved up to Reading and replace Mitchell .227 BA in RF . If Dugan continues to hit he could be the future Phils RF he was after all their # 1 pick .

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    1. Gotta think Gillies is going to get bumped back up soon. Maybe they’ll move both he and Dugan up at the same time. Then they could move Collier back to center.

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    2. Remember the post a month or two back with somebody claiming they had inside info that Mitchell was told he would be the first promotion if the Phillies needed another OF. Then he didnt make it as a starter for Allentown and was asked to repeat Reading in order to be a starter. Now he’s not getting it done at Reading. Really the same thing with Valle — would he or wouldn’t he be in Allentown and in what role, and now he’s doing badly at Reading, although he did have a HR yesterday. How does a guy go from being able to hit AA pitching, although not super well, to not being able to hit respectably over the course of one off-season at that young an age? Mitchell is showing ok power. Perhaps he is trying too much for the power. We are getting toward the end of the SSS time.

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      1. I guess it has to do with trying to make adjustments and having them just not work out. With Valle it’s probably also got to do with lacking confidence. From his quotes a week or so ago about being told he was going to play everyday and then finding himself on the bench a lot, it sounds like the mental part is weighing him down.

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  8. It was a first and third situation and quinn was on third.. And I don’t recall who was on first… Well the runner on first broke first and the catcher threw to 2nd and quinn broke for home and came in standing up

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      1. He’s so fast there’d be no video anyway. Just a blur as the guy shooting whizzed his camera away from the action at second to Quinn walking into the dugout.

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  9. I know it’s only been a coupe of weeks now but how long does Gillies need to keep his OPS above .900 to earn his way back to LV? It seems like the demotion and reworking the swing have worked.

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    1. One of the scouts I talked with last night had some very interesting things to say about Gillies. Said if he plays well in AA for another month, and if Revere doesn’t do anything eye popping, he wouldn’t be surprised if the Phils called him up to play CF the remainder of the season. I was shocked by this and asked why, and he said they need to find out if he’s capable of acting like a big leaguer, and maybe if they surround him with Rollins, Utley, Howard, etc he’ll grow up and act accordingly. This scout felt Gillies has a world of talent but the book on him is he doesn’t listen, and doesn’t focus. Said “he’s a hard guy to give up on and an even harder guy to count on.”

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      1. I am getting major deja vu on that quote. I think I would wait until after the trade deadline to promote Gillies like that if need be. Having him up at LV by the end of this month though I would like to see. If the swing is working there is no reason not to see him at AAA again.

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      2. My son saw the two-homer game and affirmed that the first home run was a gigantic bomb to centerfield that went way, way out of the park. This confirms what I saw in ST, Gillies has tremendous power and the decision to re-tool his swing is a good one. I do wonder, however, why the Phillies waited so long – perhaps they just wanted him to focus on getting healthy and getting his act together, which makes some sense.

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      4. I’m gad that no one took the obvious shot at the “doesn’t listen” comment. Wait… I think I just did.

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        1. I was going to make the obvious joke of: Knock on Gillies is unwillingness to listen, but the Phillies realized they were not talking loud enough.

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  10. Aumont is just all kinds of screwed up right now, it seems like. On the bright side, I’m happy about Gillies’ modest resurgence, and I absolutely love looking at the Clearwater box scores each morning.

    In major league news, the White Sox DFA’d Tyler Greene over the weekend. I’m hoping the Phillies sign him–historically, we’ve really dominated the market for Tyler Greenes.

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  12. The Phillies need to get Aumont’s head clear and stop giving him too much advise – just let him try his way and then tweek it as needed (like Brown this year).

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  13. Among players with at least 100 ABs, Dugan is 2nd in the FSL in OPS and wOBA, trailing only Sano in both.

    A call-up has to be coming soon if he keeps going, Maybe another 2-3 weeks are in order to see if he stays in this groove.

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    2. A .306 OBP represents progress, of a sort, but where’s the monster power that was supposed to develop? A .388 slugging percentage won’t cut it at shortstop, let alone corner outfield. And he’s never really showed much power at any level.

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    3. I think he’s handled the jump to AA a lot better than many thought he would. I’m watching him with one eye. Expect nothing, hope for something.

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    4. Reading has been batting him pretty far down in the lineup and on Sunday he DHed, but hit ahead of Valle and Mitchell. I’ve seen him slotted lower than that. It doesn’t seem like the way they’d treat a prospect. Ditto for Valle and Mitchell who could both have had an in-season promotion to Allentown, if they were well regarded by the organization. It really says something that Valle hasn’t replaced Joseph in Allentown, although he did just get himself above the Mendoza line.

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  15. Ross had nice article on Hoby Milner yesterday. Slightly comparing him to Hamels at same point in his minor league career. Milner last 8 starts: 5-0, 48 IP, 41 hits, 11 ER, 10 walks and 47 SO for a 2.06 ERA. Hamels had even better 8 game stretch and was called up to Phillies mid-season. Milner & Hamels numbers & age look comparable. Are expectations different because of Milner smaller stature?

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      1. Cole Hamels:
        201 IP
        276 K’s
        32 Earned Runs

        Hoby Milner:
        126 IP
        113 K’s
        45 Earned Runs

        Hamels did this while consistently younger. I don’t think that’s a good comparison. Like…at all.

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      2. I don’t understand 4 years age difference. I believe Hamels was 22 and called up. Milner is now 22.

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        1. HE had already been in Reading for the previous year and was working his way back up after injuries the previous year. His actual year in Clearwater was two years earlier at age 20.

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        2. Since others have addressed the fact that Age-22 Hamels was essentially in Clearwater for a few rehab starts (for only 4 games: 3 of his 8 games in the minor leagues that year were in AAA), I’ll limit myself to stating that comparing Milner to Hamels based on an 8-game hot streak is silly. Lots of minor league starters have an 8-game hot streak and few turn out as well as Hamels.

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    2. Besides the age difference Joe mentioned, scouting on Hamels was always that he had an elite changeup. I don’t think we’ve heard anything about Milner having a pitch that good.

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    3. Hamels was in Clearwater at 22 due to injuries. Not performance. He was in High-A at 20 and absolutely destroyed.

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