JA Happ removed from his start today

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Rumors swirling. Happ was removed in the 3rd inning, and according to 1 report, was being congratulated in the dugout, or at least it didn’t appear he was injured. If he was being recalled by the big league team, it seems odd to remove him mid inning. The more likely scenario is a trade in the works. Stay tuned.

151 thoughts on “JA Happ removed from his start today”

  1. I am very scared. If this is for a lefty reliever I am going to go insane… I have a weird feeling it may have something to do with Manny Ramirez, I may be way off base, just a feeling…

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  2. I would rather see Happ called up than traded, but if we get an ace it will be worth it. I hope they don’t give him up for a bat unless it’s Matt Holliday.

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  3. The report on the radio by Jim Jackson was, that they are just trying to lower his pitch count, because he pitched a lot recently. Take it or leave it, but that’s what he said. He was initially worried he got hurt.

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  4. Forget Holliday, I’d be more excited about Jason Bay. Holliday’s road numbers are nothing special.

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  5. LHV announcers, from what I’ve been reading online, have said Happ’s been recalled.

    Jim Jackson has contradicting information.

    My guess is he’s involved in a deal or someone in the rotation is involved in a deal and TPTB don’t want to say anything regarding Happ until whatever happens…er…happens.

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  6. That would be a seriously low pitch count. He couldn’t have been above 40. Bensen had higher pitch counts in rehab. Happ won’t be making his next start for the Pigs.

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  7. somebody give me a straight answer, im going crazy!!!!!!!

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  8. I haven’t heard anything at all, anywhere. I’m going crazy. Let’s hope Blanton was traded somewhere.

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  10. There is a report that says Ramirez would waive his no trade clause and approve any trade that could be made. Ramirez can only play left field, however, so where would that leave Pat? I am sure we are not trading for Ramirez, but like I said before, I just have a feeling even if it makes no logical sense. This is all just speculation on my part, by the way… I hope Happ is simply getting called up to replace Eaton, that would be a dream come true.

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  13. The clubhouse hasn’t been as good this year. In that aspect I don’t want him anywhere near this team. But I don’t know how anyone can deny how he’d help this team out in ball games.

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  14. What about Feliz retroactive to disabled list and Happ brought up . Sheer speculation but it sounds like Feliz may need to be shut down for a while

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  15. if this happened (happ for ramirez) how bad would our OF defense be? imagine in the expansive OF’s of the Nationals and Marlins? Manny and Burrell in the OF would be comical.

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  17. would they move him to stick him in the pen though?? If that was the plan, they could have done that 5 weeks ago. I’m interested to see how this plays out…

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  18. “i would not be ok with happ for an injured ramirez for 2 months.”

    You are straight up retarded if you wouldn’t trade Happ for Manny.

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  19. Manny isn’t worth what he’s likely value would be to the Phils. He’s be an overglorified platoon with Werth, who’s much better against LHP than Manny is (.994 OPS.)

    Phils should aim for pitching of any kind, SP in particular, and just hope to Jenkins can revert to his 2006-7 form.

    My guess is Happ is being called up to relieve for the Phils and possible replace Myers.

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  20. Does anyone know what happed with Reading? Was Marson, Golson, or Donald pulled early?

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  21. I also have a feeling he’s been called up to help the team in the rotation, with Myers going to the ‘pen.

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  22. “Manny and Burrell in the OF would be comical.”

    Especially with our rotations’ inability to miss bats.

    There’s no way the Sox would trade Manny for Happ straight-up.

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  26. From Scott Lauber:

    “Sat down with Pat Gillick for a few minutes during the rain delay, and he said the No. 1 priority before Thursday’s trade deadline is finding a lefty reliever to, in his words, “give [J.C.] Romero more breathing room.” Romero presently is the lone lefty in the Phils’ bullpen. But Gillick also said “it’s a possibility” that they could wait until the August waiver deadline to acquire a pitcher because a few quality arms may clear waivers. Remember, the Phillies didn’t trade for Jamie Moyer in 2006 until two weeks after the July 31 deadline.

    Also, about those Manny Ramirez-to-the-Phillies reports that have been circulating in other cities: Forget about it. Gillick said last winter that the Phils wouldn’t be eager to welcome the many distractions that come with Manny being Manny, and there’s no indication that his or the Phillies’ stance has changed. More important, though, Manny doesn’t play right field, and if the Phillies add a bat, it most likely would have to be in right field.”

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  28. ****Golson was not pulled. He just got out in the 8th according to the box score.*****

    Ok. It doesn’t take much for rumors to run rampant through baseball message board land.

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  29. Im thinking Marson and Donald left for t he Olympics…..they had a send off for them in Reading last night

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  30. jason,

    so you’re saying a horrible outfielder who is a great hitter that we’d have for ONLY 2 months is better than a pitcher that we can plug in next year at the latest for our starting rotation for at least 5 years at controllable dollars? that’s shortsighted.

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  31. I dont think they would trade Marson for anything less than a Sheetz type deal and hes NOT available plus they are viewing Donald almost a high.

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  32. ****Im thinking Marson and Donald left for t he Olympics…..they had a send off for them in Reading last night*****

    You’re absolutely right. I didn’t even consider the Olympics. That pretty much solidifies it, in my mind anyway, that Happ is being called back up to the big club.

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  33. Who goes buhbye? Eaton is the only logical choice, but that would mean that Ownership would be eating approximately 12 million dollars in salary.

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  34. I still can’t believe what Gillick gave up for blanton. What did he think this guy is. His hits per nine innings is horrible . I would rather have happ.

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  35. Do you really think he would be pulled in mid game just for a call up to the Phils?? Im thinking he would have to be traded and needs to pack and catch a plane for him to be pulled in the 3rd.

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  36. These discussions really take on a life of their own.

    I’d guess Seanez will either be placed on the DL with a phantom injury (suckiness) or released. This team will not admit their mistake on Eaton and release him and then pay him $8M next year.

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  37. I am a huge red sox fan, let me tell you folks you have no idea how good manny ramirez is, i watch this guy everyday and he is so dangerous and so good, if you end up getting ramirez, philly needs to give us your best prospect and a couple of middle prospects. You get manny, you are going to be favorites to represent the nl in the world series. What is so sad is that every one used to just laugh it off and just say it’s just manny being manny, now if you go to weei.com wich is the # one radio station in all of new england for sports everyone calling in to station wants manny gone, or not pick up his option………………………….so i dought manny will be traded but if he does, who ever ends up with him you will be favorites nl or al does not matter the league

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  38. I agree…..unless t hey trade Eaton and absorb someone else’s contract….he wont be released. Seanez might find himself on the 60 day DL (haha)…..maybe we can include 3B coach Steve SMith in any trades……what was he thinking earlier today??

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  39. Patsox: I think (most) everyone knows how good Manny is. There is no way the Red Sox would trade him straight up for J.A. Happ. But regardless of the price, the Phillies can’t use both him and Burrell unless the N.L. adopts the DH or allows teams to use 4 outfielders in the next several weeks. It’s as dumb as the Barry Bonds campaign Mike Missanelli has been trying to start.

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  40. Well, like i mentioned if you want to win it all find a way to get manny, well if you read what i said it’s going to take your best prospect and 2 middle level guy’s not only happ, trade burrell for a starting pitcher, it’s not easy but try to get this guy. Look i know what you will be getting.

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  41. Yeah sorry, that came off wrong. I was attempting to agree with you that Happ wasn’t nearly enough for Manny. I’d love Manny but like I said, he and Burrell can’t both play left and first base is occupied. I just don’t see how it could happen. I was calling Mike Missanelli’s idea stupid, not yours.

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  42. Sorry Pat…..I know how good Manny WAS….but replacing a PAT THE BAT with a cancer is not conducive to chasing a pennant! We do need a bat, but an expensive 2 month rental is not something this team needs, unless that rental throws 95MPH and can get batters out. Pat has been one of the most consistent hitters in the NL all year……hes our left fielder!

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  44. does anybody have any updates to what is really going on?? Wouldn’t they say anything after the LV game??

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  45. OK, you guy’s know what you have all i know what manny is, pat is not even close to manny or will every be. Now that comment i know how good manny ramirez WAS LOL,

    Manny Ramirez THIS YEAR BA .298 19 HR 63 RBI’S ON PASE FOR 40 HOMRUNS AND OVER 120 RBI’S WASSSSSSSSSSSSSS, HUH

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  48. Pat just hit his 26th HR this season….and has ZERO errors, not to mention a bunch of assists….I know he is in the top three in that category. Also, he is a team player, not a cancer. I appreciate your insight and your checking out this great site, but Manny wishes he could be a Philly! Have some more chowda!!

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  49. LOL MANNY HAS BEEN AMAZING FOR THE LAST 10 years, enjoy pat, hopefully we don’t trade manny because he will win another championship for us………

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  50. i will give you that he can be a pain, but not a cancer because if he was a cancer, we would never win any championships

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  51. Josh Beckett, Curt Shilling, Mike Lowell, Big Papi….and guys like Dave Roberts who can come in and steal a base when everyone in the world knows its coming…..these things can compensate for a cancer.

    We will have to agree to disagree on this matter….Manny is not a good fit for this team. We dont need a superstar bat…..we need arms.

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  52. I would HAPPily trade JA for even just 2 months of Manny, I think.

    I came to grips that the Blanton trade might turn out ok, but now i’m back to really hating it. WTF Gillick?

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  54. I would be content with Myers to the Pen, Happ to the rotation and Eaton and/or Seanez out.

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  55. I am reading where the yankes won’t give up a good prospect for washburn. We gave up a top prospect a third round draft choice prospect and maybe late blooming left hander for a pitcher just like washburn. If you look at the numbers they are somewhat the same. I think gillick and amaro and the phillies brass lost there mind on the blanton deal.

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  56. Washburn makes a lot more money than Blanton does. That’s why the Yankees won’t give a good prospect for him.

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  57. Washburn is 33 years old and Blanton is just entering his prime and is under team control for another year. You guys really need to let that go. If I had a nickel for every can’t miss Phillies prospect that missed…

    I guess there is no news on the Happ front. It takes so little to get us all riled up.

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  60. Money shouldn’t come into play when you are trying to win a championship. Blanton is younger and entering his prime.You have to be kidding the guy is a human hit machine. Remember one thing cardenas will play in the majors he can flat out hit. everylevel .Reading this blog pp talks about how tough the nypleague is well cardenas didn’t miss a beat, If this was a pitcher in our system you would be killing him for his number but the phillies sell you on reaching his prime bad run support, that is a bunch of bull. I will come on this blog and tell everyone how wrong I was if blanton becomes even a five hundred pitcher. next year or finish this year at five hundred not counting his record to date. Why do we have to let go of mediorce f.o moves.

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  61. Matt Says:Manny’s lifetime achievements aren’t going to help us win a World Series? he is still producing, and winning for the sox, look at last year he had an ok year he was hurt alot, but look what he did in the playoffs he is so clutch, ok kids from phillly time to say goodbye enjoyed debating seeya………………

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  62. The best case scenario is that Brett Myers got traded and Happ is replacing him in the rotation. That would explain him getting congratulated and having him pulled so he might be ready for tuesday’s game.

    I hope.

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  65. The fact that it is taking a while for it to come out. I think the Phils got Burnett and Sherrill and gave up happ, golson, and one other… this is just speculation by me.. nothing real.

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  66. 2008 Burrell (age 31): .278/.402/.582 (151 OPS+, no errors, longest-tenured PHI athlete.)

    2008 Manny (age 36): .298/.398/.524 (140 OPS+, team cancer.)

    Phils don’t need a LF. They have one of the best in baseball since June of 2007, who they *should* be extending. Phils need a guy who can hit RHP (.800 OPS or above) and play RF and arms (LH reliever or SO starter.)

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  67. I think they be foolish to trade Happ now. They need a bat in the outfield but not the cancer known as Manny Ramirez. They need to take Eaton behind a shed and trade Myers as a reliever. I think Sherill would be a great addition but I think he come at a steep price. The only way Id be happy to part with Happ if it was for a front-line starter…..which there really isnt. The phils need to not jump the gun like they did on Blanton

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  68. Guys:

    J.A. Happ was not traded..This is coming from a guy who checks the rumor boards religiously. There has been no new rumors the last 2 hours on this. If there was some three way trade or what not, you would at least hear whispers on it. As far as Manny is concerned, let’s please stop this argument. Manny is not going anywhere. He WILL however be a free agent at the end of the year. Yes, he is a much better player then Pat…Pat puts up solid numbers for a 14mil/yr a guy. Manny is a clutch and big game hitter but isn’t going to be worth the 20 mil for the Phils. He’s going to be 37 and most likely will want close to a 4 yr 90 mil dollar deal this offseason. For the 2 months, I would rather stick with Burrell. The 6 million extra hopefully will go to a Sherrill type.

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  69. so why no word on happ? hasn’t any writer, zolecki, etc thought to ask phillies mgmt as to why he’d throw just 41 pitches?

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  70. There you have it, since it wasn’t on a rumor board, it can’t happen.

    Although, I tend to think it’s “just” a callup.

    Finally, when was it Pat Vs. Manny? Is that what the rumor was? Or would it be Manny added to the OF with PtB?

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  71. The only “rumor” I could think of is a self-made one.

    He’s from Illinois and the Cubs didn’t pitch their lefty specialist Neal Cotts today. Maybe he was being congrulated because he was returning to home?

    I’m just talking out of my a$$ though.

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  72. Hopefully this is just Happ being called up in some capacity or another. If it were a trade, we’d surely have heard something by now.

    And James, I think you’re right: this could be a busy week policing comments.

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  73. Beard – I didn’t intend to make it about Manny as a substitute for Burrell but only to reply to the Sox fan who thought Manny would be an upgrade in LF.

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  74. If the Phillies acquired Manny, they’d be the first team ever to play with 3 infielders and 4 outfielders

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  76. They are saying he’s coming up to replace Eaton. Hopefully we see Myers move to the bullpen and Happ moving to the Rotation full time and see how he does. But, apparently he’s moving back to the Phillies.

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  77. What role would myers play in pen? He wants to be closer, we have lidge. I think we should trade myers and offer to pay half salary to whoever is willing.

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  78. Per Scott Lauber:
    “Happ told a reporter who covers Lehigh Valley, “I’m physically fine. They haven’t made a move yet, so I don’t feel it’s appropriate to comment. I’m still waiting for the phone call.”

    So, clearly, something is up. As always, when I know, you’ll know.”

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  79. I was reading that there was a rain delay at the redding phillies game for almost two hours that is why he was probably pulled. but i hope im wrong i hope they pulled him up

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  80. If this is truely the end of the Adam Eaton era the only news that would have made me happier is if they’d traded Greg Golson for Roy Halladay.

    My opinion, the best move for the Philies would be to use Myers as as setup man then trade him in the offseason to someone who will let him close. He’ll help for the stretch run and if he pitches well, his trade value will be much improved.

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  81. look the only way I can see it is that happ with other prospects was tradded to Bos the reason it is not offical is because they are still waiting on manny to accept the trade. It seems like another dumb move the Phills front office would make look at the Blanton deal the signing of Seanez. But I really hope they got rid of Stinkton(eaton) and called up Happ.

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  82. Saenez or Eaton is getting DFA’d or put on the DL, they were BOTH called into Manuel’s office after the game.

    I assume Myers gets 1 or 2 more starts, depending on what he does he’ll either stay in the rotation or be sent to the bullpen and will work his way up the totem pole into a set up role. Happ will start in the Pen and depending on how Myers does he’ll either be long man/ second LH reliever or go into the rotation.

    The second part is all speculation now, but I think it is a good move by the team & should help us.

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  83. the only move that makes sense is to move Happ to the rotation and myers to be the set up guy that they’ve been looking for to replace an ailing Gordon. myers already said he doesn’t want to be traded so he’d likely go for being the 8th inning guy.

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  84. Is there any chance he was named to the Olympic team as a replacement? The Mets just called up a guy who was supposed to be on the team, I think it might have been Knight.

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  88. So Eaton gets DFA’d…does that mean Happ is going to the bullpen, with the potential to start if Myers continues to stink it up?

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  89. OH HAPPY DAY!!!

    Adam is finally getting to players he can get out, MAYBE. I think the straw that broke the back was Jo-Jo Reyes’ screaming double off the base of the wall yesterday. This from a pitcher whose batting average was .000

    Now all they need to do is announce they are moving Myers to the bullpen for 8th inning assignments and trade for Burnett in August for marginal prospects.

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  90. Eaton wasn’t DFA’d he accepted an assignment to AAA. He’s still on the 40 man and can be called back starting in 5 days.

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  91. their is no way manny is worth burrell, happ,marson or donald. golson yes ruiz yes. and believe me i realize that manny is one the greatest right handed hitters ever. but the important thing now is myers to the pen and happ starting. one more thing pp if you want to edit remember a bad player is not cancer.

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  92. I think Happ is here to be a starter, Myers is probably off the Pen. Seanez is nextout of here as soon as Gillick gets a lefty reliever this week

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  93. The world is changing and I have to catch up. It is crazy to me that a player making seven million ninehundred and eighty five thousand has to okay a minor league assignment. Either he goes or he doesn’t get paid it should be that simple.

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  94. I’ve watched Manny play hundreds of times. He’s the best pure hitter I’ve ever seen. He’s a natural. With that said, if the Phillies picked him up, they’d be throwing in the towel for 2008. The Red Sox have guys like Big Papi and Lowell and a whole host of others who don’t get distracted by Manny’s antics. They just play. The Phillies would be bothered by Manny and the clubhouse would meltdown. They’d we waiting around for Manny to get the big hit. If Manny had a Pete Rose attitude, he’d be inducted into the Hall of Fame 5 years before he stopped playing. He’d be making $35M a year. But Manny is… well… just being Manny. Philly fans wouldn’t tolerate it.

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  95. My take on it is Happ will be in the bullpen as the long man with C. Durbin pitching in later innings to replace Gordon’s role. Myers will be given at least two more starts to see if he can get it back.

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  96. well i will agree that eaton being placed in the minors is a good move.
    eaton was a disaster of a pickup.
    also I agree that haap should be in the starting rotation and move myers to the 8th inning setup man
    jc romero is looking tired and another lefty reliever would be smart but please dont give up my reading guys marson,donald,carasco. i guess i am ok if golson goes but i wish we could keep him also if possible.

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  97. Maybe Happ as a long man would be marginally OK. He doesn’t seem to have the command he would need to be a situational lefty.

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  98. As much as we want them to throw Happ into the rotation, Myers will get at least two more starts (unless he is just THAT bad tonight). They are forced to bank on him becoming a solid starter again because we would be lame ducks in the playoffs without a solid #2 guy. The problem is that realistically the chances of him coming back and being affective this year are pretty slim. Think of it like a single year prospect. Myers has the bigger upside for 2008, but the probability for reaching his potential is decreasing every 5 days.

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  99. Happ should be a starter. If they were going to bring him up for the bullpen they should have switched him to the pen in AAA several months ago. Outman was the guy they wanted to bring up as a lefty reliever but it didn’t happen.

    Any baseball team lives or dies by their 5 man rotation and right now we have no idea what to expect. Hamels (1) is the crown jewel but still not a veteran leader. Blanton (4) has had a rough season in the AL and who knows how he’ll respond to Philly. Moyer (4) uses smoke and mirrors and is on borrowed time. Kendrick (4) is consistent but doesn’t have overpowering stuff. Happ (5) is a wide-eyed rookie jumping into a pennant race.

    Myers may well have pitched his way out of the rotation and into the pen as a set up man. Too bad — they really needed him to be an ace this season but he’s never even come close.

    To win the World Series you need a rotation no worse than 1,2,2,4,5, not 1,4,4,4,5. Maybe they’ll get lucky with what they have. Everyone would have to get hot at once and still they’d need good breaks. Here’s hoping…

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  100. I, too, like the idea of having Myers as a set-up man for 2008, thereby setting the stage for an off season trade for him to close with another club. Myers is too erratic and makes too much money for the team to mess around with him for much longer. Let him pitch out the year, get value for him this offseason and let’s move one.

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  101. happ must be in the rotation. anyone could see wnen he was up his command of the situation. aside from that he is a lefty and leftys are who you want pitching against the mets. thats why moyer is so effective aginst the marlins, they are too young and aggressive against a smart pitcher like moyer. manuel has to wake up and set his rotation according to the team. and have you noticed saturday and last saturday he was left pitchers in who were getting bombed as if the game was over. you cant do that. the 1st hint of trouble that pen should be ready. the phils bats will not always bail him out.

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  102. i like happ a lot…i am just worried about having a rookie in the starting rotation through a pennant run. but i don’t see how he can be worse than blanton or eaton (if he ever gets recalled). damn…we really need a starting pitcher. i don’t understand all of the focus on a lefty releaver. without better starters, we won’t get to the releavers unless we are several runs back. the come backs like we did on the braves will NOT happen in the playoffs.

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  103. haven’t we toyed with enough starters bringing them back and forth from the bullpen? When will we realize that this doesn’t often work well. Smoltz, Eckersley are the exceptions not the rule. Outman, Myers, (well at least Eaton sucked to begin with). Don’t do anything with Happ except start him.

    xfactor,

    i will slightly argue that maybe we have 1-hamels, 3-kendrick, 3-moyer, 5-happ. 15-blanton. For the playoffs you really only need 3 possibly 4 so let’s drop off blanton for now (which especially stings considering what we were fleeced for him for but i digress). If we add an AJ Burnett (the one that pitched several weeks back vs the NYY, of the 7 IP, 3H, 1BB 8K variety that to me could be a 2. and then who knows if we can hit where we can go.

    If we wait until August to get him we could probably get him on the cheap if he clears waivers. Maybe 2-3 marginal prospects??

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  105. Kendrick is not a #3 pitcher by any stretch of the imagination. Kendrick is a solid #4/5, for our team and on a good team is probably a #5/6. Moyer does not use smoke andf mirrors either, he uses superior knowledge/game experience great control with a multitude of off-speed pitches to get major-league hitters out. R.J Swindle is what one would call a “smoke-and-mirrors” type of pitcher.

    Happ is most likely going to the bullpen, so any arguments about who would start in the playoffs should not include him (unless he’s given the shot to start soon, which I would fully approve of.) In all likelihood, Happ is in the rotation next year, assuming Moyer doesn’t come back or if Myers is traded/put in the bullpen.

    I would only give up a Matt Maloney type guy for Burnett right now, Drew Carpenter maybe? But I highly doubt the Jays would take that, if he opts out he shuld at least be considered a type “B” sign.

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  107. “Moyer does not use smoke and mirrors either”

    I am a huge Moyer fan and I meant it as a compliment. Magicians use smoke and mirrors and Moyer is a world-class magician. I’m thrilled he’s on the staff.

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  108. Ok, I see what you meant by the comment. Sorry for my indignant tone, I realized after posting how rude I sounded.

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  109. By the way, I’m starting to wonder if there really is a trade involving Happ. People on the Philadelphia Phillies forum seem to be inferring that some trade is on the horizon due to Ruben Amaro’s cryptic remarks and insinuations on Daily News Live… I didn’t see it so I don’t know.

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  110. Yeah. The likely scenario is that Happ was traded or Myers was traded. At this point, it is almost definite that a trade went down. I think it may be for Halladay… there is a good shot.

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  111. Based on what Amaro said, it seems likely that the phils acquired someone to put them over the top.

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  112. I saw that too, I didn’t get that impression at all. And if you think there is a good shot we got Halladay your koo koo.

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  113. Also, Carlos Carrasco is batting for himself tonight and Spidale is playing left field and NOT batting. Sign of them calling him up soon and getting him ready for no DH rule?

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  115. amaro smiled when asked about happ and said its near the trade deadline and then he said to draw your own conclusions

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  116. he said the matter would be sorted out by tomorrow the latest and that happ was not replacing eaton

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  120. thx.

    by the way, the only way we get Halladay (and I’d love him) is if one of two things happen. One, we trade OUR ENTIRE FARM SYSTEM to Toronto, or 2 Ed Wade was quickly named GM of the Blue Jays.

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  121. a possible way to interpret amaro’s comments is that happ is replacing myers…who would either be headed to the pen or another team

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  122. I think it is true: Marson, Happ, Donald, and Golson for Halladay. Golson was pulled from tonight’s game. Donald and Marson did not play and Happ is not playing and was pulled yesterday.

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  123. I don’t see why they would bring up Happ to fill a bullpen spot.
    Would’t Carrasco make more sense.

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  130. myers is going nowhere. he has NO trade value. that value needs to be built back up in the bullpen and he’s currently making 12 million and can’t get anyone out. Maybe we can trade him for Oswalt???

    i really hope we don’t trade young promising pitching for offense.

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  132. Phillies should have given Happ a few more starts after break. If he works, use meyers as setup guy for lidge

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  134. i keep hearing halladay’s name pop up in these discussions anyone know his contract status and if the phillies somehow got halladay, would he be here for more than the second half of the season this year

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  136. antother interesting thing about halladay, he is slated to start tommorow so if anything is going on, we will see if he makes that start or gets pulled early or something of that sort

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  137. I DO NOT want Gillick to make any more trades. He is a moron the only reasons he looks good is because the last GM was horrible and Burrell Hamles Utley Howard the bullpen that he so called fixed. any one could off fixed take out gordon and Mesa if it was me Seanez would off never been signed calling up Swindle theres an extra 300,000$ we didn’t need to sign Burrell who is having one of his best seasons yet

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  138. ph.808 i agree with with no more trades. donald, marson, happ and carrasco who i still have questions about regarding his breaking ball, will all be above average major leagers. i was at the als function at the bank tonite and i got the slight impression that happ is not in their plans. i hope im wrong but i did speak to basically the team and coaches, i even suggested to myers that the 8th inning looked good, he was very affable about it giving me the impression he would have no problems with it. i asked dubee where was happ and he looked at me with a stone face. there was not one mention of happ.

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  139. “haven’t we toyed with enough starters bringing them back and forth from the bullpen? When will we realize that this doesn’t often work well. Smoltz, Eckersley are the exceptions not the rule. Outman, Myers, (well at least Eaton sucked to begin with). Don’t do anything with Happ except start him.”

    Apparently Johan Santana, Adam Wainwright, Braden Looper, Joba Chamberlain, Justin Duchscherer, Ryan Dempster, Shawn Marcum, Chad Billingsley, and Kyle Lohse were exceptions to the rule. Going from starter to reliever obviously killed the careers of Eric Gagne, Jonathan Papelbon, Kerry Wood, Brian Wilson, and Brandon Lyon too…

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  141. “I DO NOT want Gillick to make any more trades. He is a moron the only reasons he looks good is because the last GM was horrible and Burrell Hamles Utley Howard the bullpen that he so called fixed. any one could off fixed take out gordon and Mesa if it was me Seanez would off never been signed calling up Swindle theres an extra 300,000$”

    I would say Moyer, Werth, Dobbs, Romero, Lidge, Durbin, and Bruntlett have been pretty good pick-ups.

    Seanez was a minimum salary pick-up and he has a 3.06 ERA. He’s being doing poorly as of late but you’re going to rip the GM for successfully plugging a hole for a good 3 and a half months? You’re going to rip him for calling up a guy who was dominating hitters in the minors (especially lefties)?

    So he missed on Jenkins but who really thought he’d drop 70 points in slugging percentage after moving into CBP? He missed on Taguchi but who here really thought he’d drop off so drastically from the numbers he’s put up the past few years?

    So the Eaton signing was bad and the Blanton trade doesn’t look good so far. Two bad moves does not make him an idiot.

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  142. Bluethree…don’t you understand that EVERY move must work out for a guy to be considered a success in this town? We boo’d Mike Schmidt for Chrissakes!

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  143. Bluethree, first off if u r saying that he did a good job calling up happ u r right but it aint that hard to do when like u said he is domiating good hitters it took them this long to send eaton down and if u r going to plug a hole why not call up travis Blackley trades alone if u r not aware the phillies r still paying100% of helms what kind of smart Gm trades his player and pay 100% of his salary Im not saying every thing he does is a misstake Im just saying he is not good with trades two good trades in two years is not something to be proud of We gave up great propects for a guy who pitched what a total of five innings in two starts whats his next move give up Hamles Lidge for Andrew Jones because he was good couple years ago trade Utley Howard Victorino for Zito who was great couple years ago if u give up three great prspects for a guys era is around eatons whos record was worse then eaton come on now does this make sense the only reason Adrian Candreas was not in the Majors was because he was a second basemen they were gonna try and move him to third. Thank to All that left Comments

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  144. wow. where do you start with that run on sentence?? I’ll just touch on the last point about Cardenas. Cardenas is a promising prospect but he was at single A Clearwater and is a long way from being in the majors. Notice that Oakland didn’t automatically move him up to their big club but sent him to their Class A affiliate as well. Guess Beane is an idiot as well!!

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  146. Allright I was wrong on Cardenas No disrespect but is that the only thing you gonna disagree on

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  147. “Bluethree, first off if u r saying that he did a good job calling up happ u r right but it aint that hard to do when like u said he is domiating good hitters it took them this long to send eaton down”

    I meant calling up Swindle, which was a move that you ripped. If you have a lefty who is dominating hitters in the minors and a spot in your bullpen open, why not give him a shot?

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  148. Bluethree you are forgetting about the Garcia trade…. And yes there were people who questioned that trade b/c of Garcia’s lost velocity.

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  149. His cruve ball is 50 miles an hour any pitcher that little leaguers throw faster than needs to to rethink his career Why not give him a shot 50 miles an hour

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  150. Phillies808,

    Since much of you post was a conglomeration of rant and foolishness (trading Hamels for Jones, etc.) I had no desire to delve into the specifics.

    Lets just say that no, its not the only thing I disagree with. But this site is focused on the Phillies minor league system and is not the proper forum to discuss Pat Gillick’s history as the Phillies GM.

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  151. The Hamels for Jones etc. I was being sacastic. I said that because when we traded for Blanton (the past couple of years he has been great )This year his era is around Eaton’s his record was worst tan Eaton’s. FYI it was orginally about how Gillick traded the Phills Prospects away for Blanton and how it was an idiotic trade then some one asked my opinion on Gillick and one thing lead to another but I would like to stop talking about this so Im gonna stop talking about Gillick

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