Daily Discussion, 7/25

Happy Friday. Just a few quick notes from me today. First, I wanted to again thank those of you who have been here from the beginning, and those of you who might have just found the site last week during Blanton-Fest. Traffic has really surged over the last 2 months, starting a few weeks before the draft, and the momentum has continued. Seeing new opinions is always something I enjoy, and even with the huge influx of new visitors, everyone has behaved reasonably well. I did want to make a quick point though. The people who volunteer there time here writing reports (we now have a correspondent for every affiliate, which is awesome to me), are just that, volunteers, and I think its disrespectful to these people to get off topic in the comments section of their respective weekly reports. I purged a bunch of comments from the Reading post yesterday for that reason. I’m going to be more attentive in creating a daily discussion thread like this one every day for people to discuss there general thoughts. Around trade deadline time, I don’t mind discussions delving into the big league team, we’re all Phillies fans, but I’m trying to keep this site focused on the minors, since there are tons of sites and blogs devoted to discussing the major league team. We’ve kind of cornered the market here on intelligent (I think) minor league discussion, and I kind of want to keep it that way.

Also a quick update on the Wiki Project. A few of us have been working on adding info to the site, but I’m always looking for more people to help out. I haven’t posted much about the specifics of the Wiki site yet, but my goal is to have all of the information, or at least a good chunk of it, added to the site by October, and then spending the rest of the winter touching it up and making it look nice. When the Wiki site is “ready”, I’m going to be making some changes here, nothing radical, but just touching things up, moving a few things, and generally making it more visually appealing. There will be more on that in the coming days/weeks/months, and again, if you’d like to help out, send an email and I’ll give you the details. And now onto today’s games…

I don’t have time to copy last night’s box scores, but feel free to discuss those games, today’s games, and anything else your little hearts desire in this post.

66 thoughts on “Daily Discussion, 7/25

  1. Phuturephillies. I was reading a scouting report on jeremy hamilton our fifth round selection. It states he has 7.1 speed [slow] a weak arm, and doesn’t hit for power. It hints scouts are split on him. So he looks like the only place for him is first, only one tool maybe a contact hitter with no power, He is a four year college player, Is this what you draft in the fifth round or maybe my thinking is off base on prospect. Wouldn’t you rather go for a guy who projects better than that in the fifth round or take a flyer on a h.s who could develop. Just wondering.

  2. I will apologize now if this has been mentioned in other posts (I didn’t see it but that surely doesn’t mean it wasn’t mentioned) but I noticed on BA that Colby Shreve had signed ($400K). So in the top 6 rounds that just leaves our supplemental third round pick (Jon Pettibone) left to sign – and still a couple of weeks to do that. Gotta give the Phils kudos on this one.

  3. rocky, many people liked the Hamilton pick, including me…. mostly because it was a proven college hitter, who played on team USA, being picked in between many High schoolers…

    we went very young and inexperienced in this draft, to grab hamilton in the 5th round, assured us a polished hitter who would most definitely sign….

    he’s not slugging a ton in the NYPL, but he has a .350 OBP and has drawn a good amount of walks…. so what your looking at is a patient hitter who makes contacts and can takes walks….
    even if he doesnt make the majors, his approach and mentality might rub off on some of the younger hitters…. this is why i liked this pick

    we drafted 3 raw hitting talents before him, so this was a logical pick to me….

  4. I liked the Hamilton pick too, and praised it in my draft review. The concept that all 1B have to be hulking sluggers is kind of overrated to me. He had a very good defensive rep, so he wasn’t a strictly one tool guy. And last year, Sean Doolittle had the same rap, that he wouldn’t hit for power, and so far he’s hitting for a ton of power, albeit in the Cal League.

    The NYPL is brutal on hitters, so I’m willing to wait and see what he does in full season ball.

  5. XD. So does that mean the minor leagues are like a real life MMORPG? “LF Pitcher, msg me!” That’s pretty funny. Just imagine the email they sent out when they needed 2 filler players for Clearwater.

  6. Re: the NYPL being tough on hitters, it’s amazing the degree to which this is true. Look at the two top college bats the Phils have in their system right now, and what they did in the NYPL.

    Jason Donald, 2006: .258/.343/.357, 23:42 BB:K ratio, 1 HR, 24 RBIs
    Michael Taylor, 2007: .227/.300/.365, 23:53 BB:K ratio, 6 HR, 33 RBIs

    And of course, these guys are tearing the cover off the ball at higher levels now. That’s why I don’t lose faith for guys like Hamilton, Haislet, etc.

    James, why is this so? Is it the transition to wood bats for these college players? Or the transition to seeing better, more consistent pitchers?

  7. Which makes it that much more impressive what Travis D’Arnaud is doing. The guy is gonna be a monster and it’s gonna be a great great problem to have in three years when he’s knockin on the door and Marson is an All Start (hopefully).

  8. Phuturephillies –

    I saw Fabio Castro had a nice outing the other night for reading and it made me wonder about him. He has great numbers this year down there, 7-1, 3.82 as a starter. Also 61 ks to 32 walks. So any reason he’s kinda considered not a prospect anymore? I remember he was brutal when he was up with the big club, but he’s a little older now. Could he help the phils?

  9. There are a lot of factors in play. But look at the league average OPS for the last 5 years. Again, these are the league averages

    2007: .253/.332/.365
    2006: .243/.313/.335
    2005: .255/.332/.368
    2004: .252/.315/.366
    2003: .245/.313/.348

    Now compare that to the Cal League, High A ball

    2007: .271/.344/.426
    2006: .275/.350/.414

    etc etc.

    There are a number of reasons I believe. I think the transition from aluminum to wood bats after using an aluminum bat for months (years, if you dont play much summer ball in a wood bat league) is a big adjustment for a lot of hitters. On the other side of this, while the hitters are trying to adjust their swings, pitchers don’t really “adjust” in the same way, because they aren’t using a different piece of equipment. Wood bats suppress offense more than aluminum, obviously, so not only do you have to alter your swing, but you’re going to see less power right out of the gate because of that. Many guys are also worn down from a long college season, which would seem to affect both pitchers and hitters, but I think it helps to sap power more from hitters, which would be a benefit to pitchers.

    Just general stuff like that. Then you also have some parks being more pitcher friendly, whether it be the larger dimensions or the location/air pressure, and stuff like that.

  10. On Castro:

    I think the obvious reason that he is not considered a prospect anymore is that he was on a major league roster for a full year. He doesn’t qualify as a “prospect” by most formal definitions.

  11. Thanks for that explanation; it makes a lot of sense. Incidentally, where can you find those figures? It’s interesting stuff to look at, I’m sure, hence my curiosity.

    The other side of the NYPL coin, if you will, is that you have to temper your enthusiasm just a bit with some of the pitching performances. Pretty much the entire Williamsport pitching staff has good numbers — check it out — but you can’t get too carried away with a guy like Roth, whose low BABIP and flyball tendencies make him a “wait and see” candidate. Still, it’s good to see good numbers across the board, and you just have to hope they can make the necessary adjustments at higher levels as they face hitters who are more well-adjusted and experienced.

  12. Hey in looking through the phils minor league stats i really dont see many position guys hitting for a very high average. One guy that I noticed though, was Clay Harris at Clearwater. I dont see him anywhere in the prospect list. I was just wondering what if anything anyone thinks of the guy. He’s averaging a hr almost every 14 abs in A ball. very good.

  13. forget about it..did some research and found he was a classic phils easy sign organizational filler pick in the 9th round. THe guy is 25 just recently promoted to AA. Chances are he’s just another guy that will never be anything.

    God I just wish this team could develop some hitting prospects that hit for aveage and made constant contact. Hopefully this year’s draft class can do that. But i doubt it

  14. Hi, PP just an idea that im sure you either heard or thought of already BUT, do you think its time to change the comment area into more of a forum type deal since wer getting into the 100’s in most of the comment blocks?

  15. ***God I just wish this team could develop some hitting prospects that hit for aveage and made constant contact.***

    how soon we forget…rollins, burrell, utley, howard were all pretty good hitting prospects. last i checked marson and donald are pretty good hitting prospects as was cardenas. so is taylor and golson.

    i don’t know how you guys set your expectations, but they need to be realistic. it is not like many other farms out there are pumping mvp candidates through on a yearly basis. the problem with the phils system is depth caused by a lack of spending (i.e. busting slot) and a lack of high picks due to free agent signings. but they certainly have star power prospects. more so than anyone else really. i mean put it in comparison to the red sox, a team that has one of the best farms in mlb. manny, papi, jd drew, lowell, lugo, coco all from other teams. pedria is a very nice player, but doesn’t compare to any of the phils home grown stars. Kevin Youkilis is the only home grown hitting star they have. 3 of their top 4 pitchers are from other teams. and those guys spend tons of money on their farm.

    as a comparison, the phils FO ain’t so dumb afterall.

  16. hewitt was 3-6 in the double header today with a double and a stolen base….very nice to see. also played third base for one game.

  17. PP fan… yeah you make a good point about the Sox with their farm. But its because of their great farm that they are able to aquire all of those great players. They invest in top talent and really work the farm. So when i comes time to deal for a player that will make an impact, they have the pieces to do it without decimating their system.

  18. *as a comparison, the phils FO ain’t so dumb afterall.*

    Yes they are dumb. Look at WS titles. And that’s the bottom line.

  19. Doubtful, because Marson is going with, and he’s playing.

    I’d have to think Donald is either

    a.) Hurt
    b.) involved in a potential trade


  20. EnsignCharlesParker – check again
    papi – free agent
    manny – free agent
    schilling – trade but not for A prospects
    wakefield – free agent
    acquired becket and lowell for hanley. yes, hanley was a stud prospect, but they also were forced to take lowell who had a huge contract and was hitting .230 at the time. no on wanted lowell. it just so happened that he turned himself around.
    so they signed some good FA, got lucky with Papi and Lowell and made a great trade for becket and schilling, that is how they won the series. not from trading from an amazing farm system.

    erin – give hewitt a muligan on his first game and he is 8 for 24 with 3 xbh and 6 strike outs. that is a very good start. let’s not label the kid before he even gets going. contrary to the pre-pick negativity, he is our player now and he might be a good one.

  21. Does anyone know anything about the 4 prospects the Yankees gave up to land Marte and Nady. Please tell me–even if you have to lie–that they are all sure-fire All-stars…

  22. none of them are surefire all stars. Tabata was a big money FA signing out of Latin America in 2005/2006. He hasn’t really turned out as he was projected to, less speed, power hasn’t emerged, but he still has potential.

    Ohlendorf is a middle reliever, Kontos is a SP prospect with rough mechanics, might end up a reliever in the bigs. Phil Coke seems like a 4A kind of guy.

  23. Glad to see Marte and Nady are off the market and we won’t be giving up the farm to acquire them….

  24. Yes, Harris is a bit older but thats because he was a four year pitcher at LSU and the Phils converted him so he had to almost start over. I wouldn’t think he got that many at bats as a pitcher so he was behind the curve when converted. He has done very well on the way up, getting better at each stop. That’s very indicative to me. The jump to Advanced A is a tough one. The jump to AA is even tougher. This kid made both look easy. I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved him up to Lehigh before this year is out. If he can repeat his peformances at “A+” and “AA”, I think the kid is for real. A sleeper for next year in Philly. I know that’s saying a lot but he has most unusual traits as a hitter. And age ceased to be a factor at Reading.

    And though the Phillies have Howard and Utley and Rollins and Burrell, Burrell was a #1 overall and really was a no-brainer. Rollins was B/A top California high school player. Another no-brainer. Howard was a later pick but everyone knew about him and the hole in his swing. Even the Phillies tried to unload him at Reading. And Utley again was highly rated and the Phils cost him two years. No, they aren’t very good at what they do. Not at the top and not at the bottom. Their farm system is usally rated pretty far down the list for prospects and over their entire history, they have won 1 world series and got in to how many playoffs in the past 23 years? And remember how many teams actually do make the playoffs every year. Isn’t it 33%? What do they have, three visits to the offseason under the current administration?

    A couple of years ago they were down on Victorino and high on Roberson and Michael Bourne whom they described as being a five tool player. That was a comment made directly to me. At the time, Victorino was hitting about.272 at Scranton. (They tried to give him away for 25K and LA didn’t want him back). Anyway, both their horses ran out of the money that year and Victorino was MVP in the International League. i think he ended up hitting about .312. Today he is a better player than either of the other two. They guessed wrong again. This year they insist Golson is an ‘impact’ player. I could be wrong but I don’t think so. He just strikes out to much for a guy that his putting in his second year at Double AA.

    Nah, they haven’t distringuished themselves at all. Today they do have some interesting kids but we’ll have to wait and see how that all plays out. Is history plays itself out again,most of them won’t.

    Except for Clay Harris who I think is going to be a hig ‘hit’ in Philadelphia next year.

    Hope springs eternal. .


  25. Some Phillies fans have a false illusion that a home grown team is great to have. It’s not. Oh, it might make you feel good and proud to say it, but can you win this way and go deep in the playoffs, or even win a playoff game? So far, no. Why care if they are home grown or not? Do they win together? One non-homegrown they lost was Aaron Rowand, and I believe it hurts the team to this day. I have a feeling the Phils management thinks they can do this or get close to doing it. But it will just be another one of their fantasies and illusions. You can have all the homegrowns you want, but if the hitters are all in the same mold with high K rates with power that can’t sniff a .300 batting average and the pitchers have low K rates, it won’t work. Those types can’t hit good pitching consistently and strikeout at the most critical of times.

  26. I’m scratching my head over this one, but maybe the solution is easier than I think. Knowing that the Phillies scouted and drafted Pat Burrell as a third baseman, played him primarily as a first baseman in the minors, and moved him to LF because of Scott Rolen, who are the last three impact outfielders the Phillies drafted or signed, developed, and who played *more than two* full seasons as a full-time regular (120 or more games and 400 or more at-bats) in Philly?

  27. You’re right it’s to early to label Hewitt. I have an immense faith in the Phillies player development staff to teach him to recognize pitches. I actually liked the pick because Hewitt is athletic enough to play any position if need be.

  28. erin I know you are kidding that’s a good one. You have faith in the phillies instructions. They did a good job on who golson, a strikeout machine, where are the outfielder they develop. Chase was a stud in college. rollins still doesn’t walk enough , mvp one year. back to old self this year. howard still doesn’t recognize breaking balls out of the zone. ruiz plain stinks, one top pitcher hamels . kendrick nothing to brag about gets the highest run support in baseball. matson. two times good two bad inconsistent. They left chase in the minors because they couldn’t recognize how good he was for two years. Gio gonzalez had to repeat double aa for lack of instruction and bad habits per the white sox personal dept.There pitching coach can’t straighout myers. so I quess you are right they really can teach. How to not become better.

  29. I have an immense faith in the Phillies player development staff to teach him to recognize pitch

    Gee Erin I wish you were right but I think you are 100% wrong.This developmental staff which has been in place for 10 years is hardly worthy of you glowing praise.

    As to why they love home-growns, that’s because they play CYA a lot. You draft a guy, give him a lot of money, and he succeeds, that shows everyone how smart you are.; the opposite kind of points to your inadequacies.

    You know as a rule, incompetence at the top breeds incompetence throughout the organization. People who make a lot of bad decisions hardly want to surround themselves with people who see and recognize these bad decisions. So they take in ‘yes men’. And the organization stagnates.

    Running the Phillies is a great job. (Like Reid and the Eagles.) It pays well and you are in the spotlight and you have wonderful dinner parties.

    I remember when someone says the Phillies front office could do with a real baseball man, you know the chewing, spitting, feet on the desk baseball man. lol Well that may be a characterization but you get the point. Gentlemen Dave and his crew of loyalists aren’t winning any more in the future then they have won in the past. We need heaps of changes.
    What’s wrong with Chase? Since June 7th he’s hit about 224 with three home runs. HIs swing no longer has energy. His bat speed is gone. Something has to be wrong with him either mental or physical. Wonder how things are at home?

    Jimmy is suffering a hangover from his VIP year. It’s a letdown from that tremendous acievement. He can’t duplicate it. It’s like the child of a famous and successful parent who simply doesn’t have the ability to top the parent. The kid can grow up badly. Jimmy’s last year was his parent year. This year, he is the kid who can’t meet his parent’s achievements. Next year, he will return to his pre-VIP performance.

    Howard is Howard. I have spent three years trying to figure how to value what he gives you less what he takes away from you by his poor fielding, poor throwing, strikeouts and rally-defeating at bats. It’s quite a problem. I would trade him even up for Matt Holiday. Yes I would. Or even a younger Mike Lowell. Somebody with reasonable power (25-30 HR’s, 100 RBI’s) and who makes contact (.290-.300). But I admit maybe I am wrong on this one. I can’t figure whether he’s a tremendous asset or just a highly priced liablity.

    The pitching is ok. Branton will be a good #3. Timely hittinjg is our problem. And dare I say: mangement? Upper and Middle and even Lower. What you have at the top trickles down. We need some new blood.

    PS I have been a life-and-death fan of Philadelphia baseball since I saw Babe Ruth as a small child. You can do the match. 🙂

  30. Joey You are the third person that mention home problem for utley. I find it hard to believe that a player with that great bat speed and swing is in this kind of funk. I am starting to believe it is mental or personal problem, he has so much talent to just lose it, The phillies to me seem to just want to be competative. The trade that the yankees did with pittsbugh we could have done it. Why didn’t we. It would have gave us a left hander in the pen, and a solid bat. Burrell needs someone behind him that is consistant.

  31. I need some help on this. Why does it seem that Matt Smith makes a rehad start on most of Savery’s starts. It makes sense to me that with your top prospect he would start his games and Smith would do what he does best – relief. I know Smith probably leaves the park after his 1 inning but I would be more worried about Savery then SMith. Any thoughts?

  32. Just wondering has anybody heard anything on the draft choices that are not signed. Do you think it will go down to the wire on pettibone or weber. They seem like the two we have a shot at signing.

  33. phuturephillies. I was reading a guy named allen simpson.He states worley stats were not good for someone who was suppose to breeze through college. He hangs his fastball, and breaking ball, uses different angles when he pitches. I know its early but this kid is where he should be at lower a and has been great. How much stock do you put in crosscheckers.

  34. Has anyone noticed that there has been a Quintin Berry “sighting” recently?

    He is batting .349 in has last 10 games (15 for 43). He has a 13 game hitting streak with a minium of 1 hit/game & 6 multiple hit games in his last 12. Also, he now has 36 stolen bases YTD.

  35. cant compare the phillies and the eagles…for a lot of reasons.

    the eagles are in a price controlled league and have won 60% of their games the last 10 years…hard to do. they scout well, coach well, draft well, and make appropriate signings in free agency. also, the owner wants to win. its hard to say TO was a bust because they made the super bowl that year.

    the phils, on the other hand can spend as much money as they want to. but they dont. they are now one of the best-drawing teams in baseball at a new park where everything is outrageously priced. where is this money going? not into the major league team, the draft budget, or the latin american budget… into the pockets of the 5 owners that dave montgomery takes the flak for. they are cheap, plain and simple. hard to fault them for lohse, they offered him more than he wound up taking. the guy over-valued himself. but letting rowand go was inexcusable. he wanted to stay here, and he was the guy that emotionally held this team together last year, not to mention came up with timely hit after timely hit, something they have failed at miserably this year.

  36. I know this isn’t a place to discuss football, but rocky, that’s a ridiculous statement. Snyder is a poor man’s Mark Cuban, a meddling owner who lets emotion interfere with his management’s attempts to put together a winning team.

    If the Phillies were as well owned and managed as the Eagles, we’d have virtually nothing to complain about. Give me Lurie/Banner/Reid over Snyder/no one/Zorn anyday.

  37. I think Rocky meant Ed Snider, but that is not the point as this has nothing to do with the Phillies’ prospects.

  38. Ha my bad, I was blinded by the football discussion.

    To try to bring everything together (though I don’t know if this’ll work): I’ll feel better about the Phillies’ ownership group if we can get a couple more draft picks to sign (i.e. Weber and Pettibone), though I’m still not enthralled with how they run the organization.

  39. There didn’t seem to be too much help available regarding my question above, so I decided to research it myself. For any of you wondering if the Phillies actually can develop an outfielder, let that idea go now. There isn’t a team in the big leagues with as dismal a track record as the Phillies– just what I was afraid of.

    For the incredibly depressing details, check out my post at: http://harrysbeeftrust.blogspot.com/2008/07/if-stupidity-got-us-into-this-mess-then.html

    So, keep a good thought on Anthony Gose, Zach Collier, Michael Taylor, Dominic Brown, etc…

  40. I’ve probably spent more time at Carpenter watching Phillies minor leaguers then anyone here. So I think I can give a fair assessment of the player development staff. With what they have to work with they have done a very good job. Those they believed would developed have. They’ve been able to trade some minor leaguers for piece that have been useful. A minor league development system only has to develop one player a year to be successful. The Phillies have done that.

  41. The Clay Harris discussion appears to be a valid topic. Harris has simply done too much this year to ignore. Yes, he’s old as a prospect, but he seems to be having one of those “lightbulb” years where everything just clicks and the player finds his groove. What’s most impressive is that he’s doing everything as a hitter. Power, average, OBP. You could not ask him to do anything more than what he is doing now.

    So the question becomes, what do they do with him? Well, I’d leave him alone for another month and see if he keeps it up. If he does, he should be a roster expansion candidate in September. This fall and winter, I’d like to see/know if he can handle a corner outfield slot. I see that in college, he played some second base, so maybe there’s just enough athleticism there to make another position work.

    Next year, unless he’s the best hitter in ST (meaning they might promote him then and there), they send him down to LHV and see if he repeats his success there. If he does, then they’ve got a really nice “problem” on their hands. We just might have found a nice little diamond in the rough. Guys like that don’t come around too frequently, but it definitely does happen (see Dan Uggla, Travis Hafner, Mike Easler – there’s historical precedent for this, particularly where the play figures it out before he’s in his late twenties).

  42. Catch 22, agreed. Clay has not only been tearing the cover off the ball, but he also has been taking more walks then he has been striking out. If he keeps this up at a higher level, well, who knows. Things might get interesting in the next few years.

  43. If you really believe that erin, then this organization has won. They have been terrible in the latin market, in player development. Right now they have no real bullets to trade from there system. If clay harris is what we are hoping for it shows the lack of prospects. Fifty choices a year plus international players, And not one sure prospect .

  44. Curious about the roster changes necessitated by the Olympics. Perhaps Savery gets promoted to Reading, since Reading will likely move a couple of pitchers to Lehigh Valley ?

    In fairness to Erin, she defended player development, not the Phils’ scouting and acquisition. I think everyone would agree there is not much there. Happ seems major league ready, but when your options for ML callups are RJ Swindle, Brad Harmon and TJ Bohn, there are problems. Which prospects have become productive or even bit players over the past 3 seasons ( Ruiz, Kendrick, Bourn, Zagurski ?). That is not exactly a great list. You could argue that Cardenas, Maloney, and Costanza were key players or sweeteners to deals, but a lack of minor league take that is close to the ML level has prohibited us finding trading partners.

  45. Sam, that guy lost me after listing Matsui as being developed by the Yankees. I appreciate critical commentary on the team, but outright stupidity I cannot bear.

  46. happ was pulled after 2 2/3 innings today? any idea why? please tell me its not an idiotic trade?

  47. Sam,

    I enjoyed the article and your post. Thanks. Outfielders developed in Japan (Ichiro, Matsui) really shouldn’t be considered. They were professionals when they got here. And Burrell counts, IMO.

    I’m not as disappointed with the development of outfielders as much as starting pitchers. If you can’t sign top pitching, you’d better excel at drafting and developing it. Not the Phillies. Starting pitching has been our Pha-chilles heel for most of 120 years.

    Could Clay Harris be another Greg Dobbs? Why not? They let Dobbs hit his way on the team, Harris just has to hit, same as Dobbs. Remarkable what Dobbs has done, pinch hitting like Greg Gross with occasional power. We should be so lucky if Harris ever contributes anywhere near what Dobbs has done.

  48. I listed Hideki Matsui and Ichiro because Japanese players are signed and brought over as “rookies” and are no sure things (See: Hideki Irabu and Kenji Jojima). They need to be evaluated carefully, and I’d have to assume the Phillies have an equal shot at them if they’d be willing to pony up the dollars to acquire them– unlike J.D. Drew, an outfielder that might have worked out for them and who they held sole rights to for a while. I haven’t heard a thing about the Phillies being willing to put up any kind of acquistion fee, negotiate a contract, or offer any on-going cultural support for a big-time Japanese player coming to the U.S. The only thing that seems stupid is that the Phils simply don’t step up to the plate for foreign talent like the Yankees, Mariners, and other teams do.

  49. Much of the signing of foreign players, especially Asian players, has as much to do with team reputations and demographics as it does with cash.

    Teams like the Mariners and Dodgers have a decided advantage because they have large Asian populations and are attractive to players while the Yankees, Cubs, and RedSox have the tradition and international reputation.

  50. 3up3kkk. Show me the money is the thing that attracts them. Cubs got a good japanese player is chicago a large asian market?

  51. Sorry Rocky but it isn’t always about the money.

    When Kuroda signed with the dodgers he specifically stated that he took a lower offer from them than he got other places because he wanted to be on the west coast.

    I’m not going to argue that the Phillies have not been cheap over their history but every thing that happens isn’t just about cash.

    Note: I guess you missed the part of my comment about certain teams, like the Cubs, have the advantage of reputation as well… Note Chicago does have a 4.3% Asian population based on the 2000 US cencus…

  52. Just noticed that Kennelly had a great day yesterday playing RF. Does this happen regularly, or is it possible that the Phils are trying to deal with the logjam at catcher?

  53. where is dominic brown, he is not on the DL and has not played, the last games he played his stats were going down he was not playing well. now I notice same thing with warren, his stats were going down and now he’s not playing, are they trying to keep their stats up for some reason or are they hurt?

  54. 3up3kkk Just google asian population in phila. It is 4.6 and between 2000 and 2006 twenty percent increase. Maybe they don’t like are asian restaurant .The survey was from a pittsburg publication. on asia growth in phila. So why don’t they come here.

  55. Its because teams like the Yankees, RedSox, and Cubs are widely known internationally. How many Phillies jerseys do you think they sell in Japan?

    Obviously money is also a factor in certain situations, especially when posting fees are required. My point is that everything that happens in baseball, and with/to the Phillies, isn’t solely a factor of $$$.

    Note: I’m not interested in getting into a discussion of ethnic populations in various cities. Obviously all major metropolitan areas have Asians but it depends on the sub-set of that population. Japenese players aren’t going to be enticed because a city has a large Chinese or Tiawanese population.

    If you’re interested in the numbers, here is the link from the last official census. Note that they do not break down Asian populations into sub-sets by city.

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