61 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 7/31/2017”

1. C starting to look the part , Haseley coming back strong.

   1. Very happy for Randolph after his earlier struggles. Seems like a good kid and all the coaches rave about his work ethic. Nice when things go well for guys like that.

      1. He just had some bad luck. From the back to I believe vision issues?

2. Here’s a shocking fact: Pujols is hitting .300 in his last 10 games and a .382 OBP. He also has 14 Ks but lets focus on the positive.

3. Here’s what the stats say about Seth McGarry. He’s 23, who was an 8th round draft pick out of Florida Atlantic. He’s a 6′ and 180 pound righty. He has 14 saves in 15 SVOs for Bradenton which places him 2nd in the FSL behind our own Jeff Singer. So as Singer moved up, McGarry can take over the closer role. He has a 1.34 ERA and a .84 WHIP. Opposing hitters are only hitting .158 against him with 20 hits in 40+ IP. He has 38 Ks and 14 BBs. Righties have almost no chance against him with 7 hits in 20 IP. Lefties hit better but his ERA is 2.84 against them versus 0.00 against righties. He’s not a top 30 guy but his numbers are impressive in A+. He looks like he could help CLW dramatically after Singer’s promotion or possibly they push him to AA to see what they have.

   1. I could only get a high school report on him His curve was his best pitch threw two and four seam fast ball, sinker, good change up and was hitting 89 back in 2012. so he must have improved on those numbers. Almost a strikeout per inning.

   2. … and his GO/FO is 4 to 1 .

      1. ty jim the gcl team. Anyone really impress you. ?

4. Thank you for posting the Rule 5 eligibility list.

   Is it safe to say that any prospect at Clearwater & below would be exposed because no team would stash an unready player on the major league roster?

   There are exceptions of course like Kilome & Ranger who have shown enough upside to be protected.

   1. It’s extremely hard to stash a player on an active roster and effectively turn it into a 24 man roster. That player will eventually have to play and will get exposed. Just look at what the Padres did this season. They had 3 Rule 5 guys on their roster. They all had to play and they got exposed. Now maybe that’s all part of the process, to get an extended look by the big club. But if you look terrible in your appearances, that can’t be good. Just ask Tyler Goeddel.

      1. Concerning the Rule 5 draft this December…I do not see the Phillies participating again. They will max out their 40 I would think, and let the chips fall will they may with those left unprotected.

         1. I don’t know, I think if they do take a chance, it’ll likely be a reliever.

         2. I don’t think the Phils are close to being deep. In contrast, the Yankees have been shedding prospects recognizing they have far more minor league depth than they can protect (like last year). I’d love to see the Phils offer lesser, younger prospects in trade who wouldn’t require Rule 5 protection this time around.

            My Yankee targets (who would need to be added to the 40 man):

            P’s Albert Abreu, Domingo Acevedo or Tyler Jones
            IF Thairo Estrada
            OF’s Billy McKinney or Jake Cave

            Of course the Yankees could add some of these guys to their 40 man but this would push off guys who would themselves warrant a look by the Phils.

5. Man Haseley sure took a nose dive, guess he couldn’t have been that hot for that long.

   1. He is the college equivalent, I believe. Minus a couple of week slump, I would say he is doing pretty well. Keep in mind, he has focused on pitching and hitting throughout college. Now he is only focusing on hitting. There will be struggles.

      1. Seems like not having to pitch should allow Haseley to focus more on hitting and have him struggle less but I think just being in his first pro season no matter the age level or not, however I would say at 21 he is on the older end of average of that league.

   2. I don’t want to make any excuses for Haseley but what I hear most often when Jim does his interviews and other interviews as well is that these college players struggle a lot with the grind of playing everyday at first.

      The HS players don’t get much of chance to know any different. Not that they too don’t wear down in their first full seasons of pro ball but the assimilation they experience compared to college players is much different.

      1. I see it all the time at Williamsport. The Dominican and Venezuelan kids have been playing every day since the age of 17. The college draftees come in having played 3 or 4 games per week and they have to adjust. One of the Cutters players summed it up in an interiew last year when he said “The difference between college and pro ball is that in college I had a life.”

         And for PhillySF, Haseley is not at the “upper end” of the average age for the NyPenn. 21 IS average. Lots of 22 and 23 year olds. After the amateur draft takes place teams usually place the high school draftees in Rookie leagues (GCL, AZL) and college draftees (21 to 23 year olds) in Short Season A.

         Haseley’s “slump” has actually been a bit of bad luck. He’s been hitting the ball hard, just right at someone. Last night he hit one right at the MLB television equipment beyond the outfield fence.

6. I have always thought the appropriate comp for Randolph is Bobby Abreu.

   I think C is going to be a very, very good MLB player.

   1. That is a good comp ..physical profile and pretty close metric totals thru Hi-A .

   2. Wonder if any chance he would shop up on any top 100 lists after this season?

   3. Agreed V1 good Comp

   4. Abreu?? C doesn’t have nearly the power nor the speed, although he does have the contact and plate discipline.

      1. Bobby Abreu’s minor league HR totals and SLG% :

         1991 – 0 (.372)
         1992 – 8 (.402)
         1993 – 5 (.430)
         1994 – 16 (.530)
         1995 – 10 (.516)
         1996 – 13 (.459)
         1997 – 2 (.379)

         Cornelius Randolph’s minor league HR totals and SLG% :

         2015 – 1 (.442)
         2016 – 2 (.343)
         2017 – 10 (.403) – season not over yet

         very similiar power profile so far, and I expect Randolph’s numbers to rise significantly next year in Reading

         1. Reading should be fun!

      2. Yeah no way is C as fast or as good of a fielder as Abreu but his slugging comps look close

   5. I don’t know that C has either the power or the speed of Abreu. Abreu was a guy who got up to 30 HR and 40 SB. We’d be very lucky if Randolph got to 20/20. Additionally, C profiles as a worse defender. Abreu was about a -0.5/yr dWAR in Rightfield. Reports on C seem to suggest he’d be closer to Burrell who was a -1.0/yr dWAR in Leftfield.

7. I only hope you are right with Abreu but that seems like a extremely tall task. In my opinion, Abreu is the most underrated player in the past 25 years. Matter of fact if a player now put up the numbers Abreu did, they would be a superstar. You are talking a legit 5 tool player (say what you want about his D, might not have been a GG but his D wasn’t poor). Someone who hit .300 on the regular, OBP over .400, stole 25 plus bags a year, 20 plus HR a year, over 90 RBI every year, 100 plus walks, 40 plus doubles a year . . . yeah i’m sorry but I just don’t see that outta C, I don’t see those kinda numbers from ANYONE in our system.

   1. not shocking LOL

   2. Eric…comps are fun projections.
      CRan is just on a similar climb to Bobby Abreu, both thru Hi-A so far.
      Heck I heard Tony Gwynne comps when he was drafted..

      1. I feel like EVERYTHING would have to break right for him to even come close to that . . . go look at Abreu’s baseball-reference page, his numbers are staggering to be honest. How he didn’t get more love while here is beyond me, than again it was the steroid area where numbers were inflated. It always gets me that no one talks about Kevin Stocker for Abreu as one of the best trades in Phillies history as well.

         1. Much of Abreu’s power was the result of what Dykstra called the magic vitamins. The spring training after testing started, he arrived at Clearwater looking like a deflated balloon

            1. That’s unfair to say about him, maybe he didn’t train that hard that offseason or was dealing an injury and rather try and further hurt it he didn’t train an area, I think it’s weak to just call him out like that because you say he looked smaller one offseason

               1. Agreed. I’ve never seen him linked to steroids and he didn’t look like a steroid user either. He was an outstanding hitter. If he had cared just a little bit more, he could have been a HOFer – he had that much talent.

               2. PhillySF….well he allegedly was on the Mitchell Report from 2003, that listed 100 plus players that supposedly tested positive for PEB involvement,…..but he was never suspended,

               3. Look I agree with you Philly and Catch you shouldn’t call that out unless you really know and Lenny is not quite a source one would find totally reliable and here comes the but

                  We’ve learned that when it comes to PEDS you can’t really judge on “his body didn’t look like he was using”

                  I’ve come to accept that most players of that era were using something and it was just part of the game part of their culture I’m over it I suppose.

                  ……and I haven’t really added anything good to the C conversation sorry!

               4. Well, his being on the Mitchell report is news to me – I typically would have remembered something like that and I don’t recall seeing any discussion of that allegation in the Philly papers (maybe I’ve just forgotten).

               5. https://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/threads/rumored-list-of-103-players-that-tested-for-steroids-from-2003.615088/
                  .number 60
                  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/228510-the-103-who-tested-positive-for-steroids-in-2003

                  There are other sites that list the players also.
                  None of the sites have been under any litigation with reporting this information back in ’08/’09.
                  Only player still active in the group in 2017- Bartolo.

                  What you have to remember…PEBs were not-banned, then they were legal at the time of the report
                  Its only after Congress starting stepping in.
                  .

               6. I wasn’t doubting that he was in the report – I’m just surprised I didn’t remember that.

8. Good day off for JPC. Was starting to struggle again. Still getting on base. Looking forward to the month of August!

9. I must be thinking of some one else. I Cant remember bobby being a good defensive player?

   1. Bobby’s one knock on defense was he had a hard time finding the wall and going back on balls but otherwise he was pretty good and had a strong arm.

      1. Oh man, Bobby was scared of that wall. He didn’t want to crash into it. But he had a strong, accurate arm. Not too many people ran on Bobby.

   2. I know he was allergic to the wall!

      1. And when he got to the Bank….he had an allergy to cyclone fencing.
         He does have the record for Latin born players with the most walks in major league history-1476, 20th of all major league hitters…that record should stand for a long time..

         1. That record will never be broken. His career OBP is .395! He had multiple years of 100+ walks. Who has the most walks right now for the Phillies? Franco with 32.

            1. Yeah, it’s been weird, as SABR analysis became more advanced, the Phillies became a less SABR-friendly team (hats off to you, Mr. Amaro). The 1993 team walked and walked and walked – someone was always in scoring position.

               1. speaking of latin players and walks and rueben amaro, noticed domingo santana has 49 to go with his 285-18-57 9 steal year.

10. Drew Anderson to Philly directly from Reading as reliever. Was listed as tomorrow’s starter for Reading. Phillies with 40-man issues and not ready to sign Rios yet.

    1. Thanks kram. I’ve been looking but couldn’t find a report anywhere on who they called up.

11. Catch, if we go back to the heyday of the team, Burrell and Howard would walk 100 times each a season. Werth probably 80, and saw a ton of pitches. The same thing with Utley who probably walked 60 times and was hit another 10. I am not comparing that group with these guys hitting wise, but I don’t think we have a guy who projects to 50 BBs a year. That is a big problem. I know JP has a great eye, but he has to hit better than .225 or he won’t succeed. We need multiple guys with a good eye.

    1. matt13……Latin players have historically been the lowest in inducing walks. Phillies have four of the eight in their starting eight. That is just the way it is.
       Of the top 100 in history, there are only six….Abreu (20), Manny Ramirez(39), David Ortiz(40), Carlos Delgado ( 76) Carlos Beltran(86) and Miggy (97)

       1. Romus, I can always count on you. I did not know that. I really thought that it was only Latin players on the Phils, I didn’t know that it was historically the case. I guess when they are trying to get out of wherever they have come from, free swinging is the way it has been done, and they simply never add that tool. I mean, the 6 you named are pretty good players.

          1. I think it is starting to change…at least with the PR kids who have organized instructional baseball from really young ages….like the US kids from T-ball all the way up. Venezuelans were doing that also…not sure how it has been going these last 3/4 years in that country now. But there is the tendency to swing outside the zone

       2. My Favorite Latin player Albert Pujols should be up there.

12. $^$#$% I may not get to a ballgame tonight. Heavy thunderstorms in the Williamsport area.

    1. Hari be brave its only rain. we need your report on the game.

13. You know who was “wall shy” like Abreu? Aaron Rowan.

14. It is not a good idea to just compare players first five season (or whatever) — you need to compare them at the same age and ideally at the same level. Here are two players in their age 20 season:

    Player A — in AA: .303/.368/.530; 17.7% K rate; 9.3% BB rate
    Player B — in A+: .258/..352/.403; 24.9% K rate; 11.9% BB rate

    So Player A played at a higher level, and hit SIGNIFICANTLY better — about 150 points higher in OPS. Oh, and he ran much better — stole 400 bases in the bigs — and had a much better arm. Abreu (Player A) is not a good comp for Randolph (Player B).

    I recently highlighted how well Randolph has done since June 1st. I think he has a shot at being a MLB leftfielder. I’m encouraged by the second half of his 2017 season. But c’mon, do we really expect him on a Top 100 list? He’s hitting .258 and striking out in one-quarter of his plate appearances. The Abreu comp is off-base — not as batsh*t crazy as comping him to Tony Gwynn (who as a 21 year old in his first pro season hit .375 and had a 9.3% K rate) . . . but still pretty far-fetched.

15. And as encouraging as I think Randolph’s last couple months have been, this concerned me in Keith Law’s last chat when asked about Randolph:

    “. . . the last two scouts I asked about him came back with similarly negative views, a position-less guy without the elite hit and/or power tools he’d need.”

16. BTW, it seems the industry — including the Phillies — missed this one:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bichet000bo-

    A .395 average in 500 PAs!! He hasn’t slowed down at all since moving up to the FSL, hitting .400 there so far. He’s now #2 on the Blue Jays’ midseason list (per Baseball America).

    If the 2016 draft were re-done today, would he be the first high school hitter taken?

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