Phillies 2017 Projected Arbitration Salaries

MLB Trade Rumors has published their annual Projected Arbitration Salaries article for players who are eligible for this year’s arbitration process.

The Phillies have several players who are arbitration eligible.  MLBTR offered projections for four of them.

  • Player                            Service Time    2017 Projection    2016 Salary    Projected Increase
  • Jeanmar Gomez       (5.063 yrs)               $4.6MM                   $1.4MM                     $3.2MM
  • Freddy Galvis              (4.021 yrs)               $4.4MM                    $2.0MM                    $2.4MM
  • Cody Asche                   (3.022 yrs)              $1.3MM                     $525K                        $775K
  • Cesar Hernandez       (2.154 yrs)              $2.5MM                     $530K                       $1.97MM

Darin Ruf, Emmanuel Burriss, and Frank Hermann entered the off season as arbitration eligibles.  Burriss and Hermann have already been outrighted.  Ruf will likely be outrighted also.  I heard around the Complex that he has a $4MM offer to play in Japan.  If true, that is significantly more than his 2016 salary of $527K, and more than he could reasonably expect to make through arbitration or free agency.

Okay, one more thing.  I’ve got nothing against the guy, but I just don’t see how a slash of .213/.284/.360/.635 in 71 games (218 PA/197 AB) with 4 HR and 18 RBI should project Asche for a raise of about 147%.  He joined the MLB team on June 2nd this season and was optioned to Lehigh Valley on August 12th.  I wish I got raises like this when I worked in the private sector.

Oh, one more “one more thing”, Jimmy Paredes and Patrick Schuster have elected to declare free agency.

34 thoughts on “Phillies 2017 Projected Arbitration Salaries

  1. Not many professional Athletes players are worth the salaries they make. It should be a base salary with everything else Base on yr to yr achievements.

    1. but the highly paid players earn it back for their teams in tv viewership, tickets and merchandising. anybody going to see Cody is getting comped tickets.

    2. Most professional athletes are worth the salaries they make or they wouldn’t be getting paid that much. No different than actors, singers, or any other performer.

      They generated millions of dollars in revenue doing what they do and earn their piece of that pie. Once they are no longer worth the money, they no longer get paid.

      Obviously the NFL is the greatest example of this with their non-guaranteed contracts but even in baseball, guys like Ryan Howard get overpaid at the end of their contract based on the value they provided at the beginning.

      1. There all over Paid I haven’t been to an event a movie ( Red Box ) , sporting event other then minor league why cheaper more fun. Concert it’s called u tube , I go to a pro sporting event when there for free. I have an 89 yr old father I take of so getting out other then shopping is tough. America should be paying leaders of region , and American soldiers that kind of money. I love most sports but the money is way out of hand.

        1. And the good news is that you are free to make those choices. When more people join you, the salaries will drop. The free market is an amazing thing.

  2. Asche could get an invitation to camp as a non-roster invitee. He’s a dedicated, hard-working guy who has shown no significant development as a professional athlete. I can relate to that. As a ball player I worked hard with no results to show for it. Discovered contact lenses too late, or at least that’s the story I put out.

    1. Agree on Asche, the salary doesn’t matter much next year but the 40 man roster spot does- much rather that go to a player who we might otherwise lose in the Rule 5 draft.

      I worked hard as a ball player too, but my dream ended when I couldn’t figure out how to hit a curve ball! .220 BA on my 9th grade team is the reason I switched to running (no comment on my OPS and WAR)

      1. Surely they will negotiate with Gomez for a significant reduction of the estimated arbitration award. Otherwise adios. Can’t believe anybody would sign Gomez for $4.6 mil.

          1. rocco….his 5 year service time and the CBA agreements let him and his agent ask for what is a fair and reasonable salary increase…
            .Phillies can offer and he can refuse or vice versa..if that is the case, .both sides submit their salary request to an arbitration panel. A hearing is conducted, and both sides are allowed to state why they believe the player’s salary should be set at the level they specified. The arbitration panel — an unbiased, third party — then decides which case is stronger, and awards the player the salary they deem most appropriate.

            ..

    1. No, he’s a young shortstop with elite fielding skills, developing offensive skills and power. He’s worth that for next year – no question about it. My question is whether, next year, the Phillies will have the lowest payroll in baseball. If not, it will be damned close.

      1. I wouldn’t even call it a breakout season. He had a big homerun season. His other offensive numbers were below average.

  3. I can’t see Gomez being worth the money and in no way would he be able to repeat the performance of this season.

    Asche is not worth that increase as a 4th or 5th OF while taking playing time from other guys. He’s had the AB’s to prove his worth and it hasn’t come together for him.

    No issue with Galvis or Hernandez getting the bump up. Will be interesting how quickly Crawford and Kingery get called up. Injuries can easily bring them up faster.

    As a now veteran of the team, I’m a proponent of leaving Galvis at SS all season given his GG caliber and 20HR. Interested in seeing if his OBP can increase next season.

    1. Don’t hold your breath on Galvis’ OBP going up. Good glove with pop. That’s who he is. He’s been around long enough to make that assessment.

      1. Agree. Galvis’ OBP will not increase significantly until he alters his approach at the plate and becomes more selective. The number of bad pitches he chases is really alarming. And of course, MLB pitchers know they can get him out with balls out of the zone.

        Galvis needs a fundamental change in his approach, and I’m skeptical he can (or will) do so. Until then, he’ll remain a sub-.300 OBP guy, albeit with decent pop for a SS.

    1. Jeanmar Gomez had a good season overall with a bad last few weeks. The issue is that he’s not a closer and was always miscast in that role. He performed over his head for the first half of the season.

      As for the listed arbitration $, I agree that it’s higher than I would go but it’s not outrageous based on what other 7th inning relievers are being paid. If I’m the Phillies I do not offer him arbitration but do extend a 1 year offer in the $3m range and if he declines, move on..

      1. Not sure it is that simple…..”extend a 1 year offer in the $3M range and if he declines, move on”
        I think the timing becomes a real issue.
        From mid-January through usually third week of February, players with a defined amount of service time, in JG’s case 5 years,, will enter into the salary arbitration process with their teams where the player, likely represented by their agent, and the team will present their case to have the player’s salary set by a neutral third party arbitration panel for the upcoming season.
        A player eligible for salary arbitration has to file by mid-January . Once the player files, the player and team will exchange salary offers within three/four days. At this point, the player and team have the opportunity to come to an agreement on a specific figure for the upcoming season prior to the hearing. If the player and team are unable to come to an agreement prior to the scheduled hearing, the player’s salary will be determined by the arbitration panel. These hearings occur between February 1 and February 21.
        So as you see, it may not be decided until right before pitchers and catchers report for ST.
        I think a ,ot of teams want to have all the 40 situation ironed out well before then.

        1. That is true IF the team offers arbitration. IF they don’t, then he becomes a FA. As a FA, he is free to sign with anyone at anytime once the FA signing period starts.

          My option is to decline to offer him arbitration.

          1. I guess you can do that….but it has to wait until January…then the Phillies will have to scramble to find someone else….which I guess with relievers is not a big deal….they did have Otero and decided to let him walk.
            But even if Gomez wins arbitration his salary is not that difficult to budget for.
            I still think he will settle for less and what you offered at $3M he wouldl accept.

  4. You guys know that the Phillies team salary will be likely be way less than $70M? Are we actually trying to nibble about Gomez getting an extra 2-3M?

    1. If they pay Gomez $5m than that sets the market for that caliber player moving forward. Regardless of their payroll, they should be offering contracts based on the market rate, not on what they can afford to pay.

      The extra available payroll $$ should be spent on improving the roster, updating the scouting, instructional staff, adding minor league talent, etc.

      1. I believe you are correct….the contract should be based on the market rate, and not what is affordable to the team. However, the Arb hearing will set the rate base on last season’s total performance and unfortunately advanced metrics is not valued in that determination….it is surprisingly rudimentary metrics first generation.
        In Gomez’ case, he would stand to do favorably since he was in the top ten of all relief pitchers in saves with 37.. tied at ten with Colome and Robertson.

        1. I agree that his arbitration number will be overly high because of the save totals from this season which is why I would not offer him arbitration.

      2. The market rate is constantly moving up, who’s to say that Gomez is not worth $5M? The Phillies have monetary flexibility, so as right now, they can make decisions based on whether or not they want him, instead of worrying about his arbitration number.

        1. Gomez is the one possible stabilizing presence in the bullpen. I still wanted to see Gomez traded at deadline for best offer available but since that did not happen I think it would foolish not to keep him. Even if it is a ‘reward’ for last season.

  5. These discussions will be much more enjoyable when we’re talking about stud free agents on the market or younger arb eligible impact guys come 2018/19. Can’t get too excited about Jeanmar. I’d offer him the going rate for a 7th inning arm and let him go if he rejects it.

  6. “I just don’t see how a … should project Asche for a raise of about 147%.”

    Because the first arbitration salary is based on all three years, not just the last one, and based mostly on counting stats, not rate stats. $1.3 million is still below the league-average salary, which is not crazy for a guy that’s already been a regular for three years.

  7. Offer Hellickson a QO and if he rejects and leaves then they can sign a QO player themselves it actually evens out the draft picks (gain supplemental pick and lose 2nd round pick). I only see 1 OF (Herrera) who can be inked in the starting lineup at this point, everyone else needs to step up and show improvement. Desmond could be a good candidate as he can play second as well as OF if needed. Or it could be another OF if they see it fit to sign one. Not a lot of top players to pick from who will be a QO player but may be.

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