Carlos Tocci #18 on BA’s SAL Top 20

The SAL this year was loaded with breakout talent and the two names that topped the list in Tyler Glasnow and Eddie Butler are the minors two biggest examples.  Additionally the stacked Hickory team helped infuse the list with high upside talent.

Tocci came in at #17 sanwhiched between Yankees RHP Rafael De Paula and 2011 first round pick Bubba Starling.  The scouting report on Tocci is a lot of what we have heard before, skinny as a rail with a line drive swing that should look much better once he games on strength.  The defense is advanced for his age and he was one of the best CFs in the league.  The disappointing thing is a year after pegging the speed as plus plus scouts think it is more average (certainly has not been a detriment to the defensive profile).

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26 thoughts on “Carlos Tocci #18 on BA’s SAL Top 20

  1. I still believe Carlos Tocci will gain an inch height before he adds any bulkiness in weight.
    I see him as a body-type similar to Garry Maddox with the same offensive strengths and defensive abilities in CF.

    1. That certainly would be a happy outcome. The full career of a second Garry Maddox would be fun to watch.

  2. I struggle to find much of interest to say about Carlos Tocci. We basically just need to leave him slow-cooking in the smoker for a while and then come back and see what we’ve got.

    I mean that as a metaphor, of course: at this point Carlos Tocci is far too scrawny to be literally delicious.

    1. Makes you wonder how much of scouting is either hearsay or outright invention. Yesterday, we heard that scouts said that Cozens lacked the speed to remain in the OF, while other reports are that he has excellent speed.

      1. Tocci is a genuine mystery (and, btw, if his speed is only average, his ceiling is quite a bit lower than we thought it was).

        Cozens much less so. First of all, how to say this politely – some of the more positive comments up-thread seem likely to be from … people too close to Cozens to be entirely objective. I don’t think there’s any real disagreement about his speed. He doesn’t have “excellent” speed, he has good speed for a guy his size. I’m sure he could beat most of us in a foot race. Good enough now to play the outfield. The concern is that guys his size often lose some speed and mobility at a fairly young age. Figure , what, 3 or 4 more years before he is ready for the majors? By then, the thinking goes, he may no longer have the speed and mobility for the outfield.

        Or maybe he will. But it’s an open question, and not a sign of “hearsay” or “invention.”

        1. I imagine Tocci would be losing speed as a result of bulk. That may be a reasonable tradeoff. But if he never had speed and has already lost it then his profile is diminished in the present as well and projecting to the future.
          His physical development could certainly affect his tools and skills.

        2. Not to beat a dead horse … but the bare minimum speed needed to play the outfield successfully at the major league level, compared to the general population, is … really fast. We talk about slow major league players … by and large (obviously there some exceptions) they are still people who would win a foot race against 95% of the general population. Someone with “poor” speed gets from home to first in 4.5 seconds (as opposed to 4.2 seconds for someone with above average speed). How many people in the general population could get to first base in 4.5 seconds? (That’s for right handed hitters; left handed hitters are about a tenth of a second faster across the board.)

          All that said, one certainly does have to acknowledge that, so far at least, Cozens has displayed plenty enough speed to play the outfield. Hopefully the skeptics are overstating the risk that he loses that speed as he gets older.

      2. I think it’s just a matter of scouting being subjective. Scouts time guys on the basepaths and so on, but they’re not looking at an enormous sample size. It could also be that in Tocci’s case he literally slowed down due to changes in his physique. Or it could be a case of his natural speed not showing up in games. Who the hell knows? One thing I do know for certain is that his physical tools are going to be a lot different in a couple years than they are now, so we kind of just have to wait and see.

        1. I know there has also been issues with Tocci not getting out of the box particularly well, or being great base to base on his jumps.

          It is a small sample size and I have heard multiple plus speed projections on him during the year.

    2. Exactly. He never ran that well but his instincts defensively can give that appearance. Avg runner @ best

      1. I think Tocci looked so good in CF that some scouts (or online writers who never saw him in person) believed he was faster than he actually was. Aaron Rowand was not very fast, but in his prime he was a great defensive CFer. Jim Edmonds was certainly not fast, but he was also an above-average defensive CFer.

        They were very good at reading the ball off the bat and putting themselves in position to make plays. This is IMHO what will *never* have Ben Revere be a great CFer. He doesn’t read the ball very well, the only thing that keeps Ben Revere in CF is his speed allowing him to catch up to balls that he hasn’t read very well. That also tends to be a problem when you combine not being in a great position to make catches with his noodle arm which increases the time to get the ball back to the IF because he’s not catching the ball in the optimum position to throw it back with momentum.

        1. Wouldn’t it be great to have a guy who could flat out fly but also have CF instincts, abilities and cannon for an arm. Wait… we had that, Kyrell Hudson.

          1. Kyrell had a bat that made Revere look like a cleanup hitter. It’s amazing that Hudson would be drafted as high as he was. Having seen what he did in the Phillies organization, it is hard to believe he displayed any power or hit tool in HS.

  3. It could simply be a matter of his musculature in his legs needing to catch up with his size. My son, a few months younger than Tocci, was fast at age 14, then slowed down when he grew more. Recently he’s started to work with weights for the first time and he’s found that, after lots of sessions of squats, that his speed is back.

    1. Incredibly deep league. Quinn if healthy would have made the back end, but the last cut was Tim Anderson the #17 pick in this years draft who hit .277/.348/.363 as a true SS. Injuries cast doubt on both Watson and Quinn but not making this list is not a huge slight.

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