Reader Top 30; #15

2010 Reader Top 30

The voting for #14 was interesting, as a number of candidates received a decent share of the vote, but Justin De Fratus edged out Brian Rosenberg by a few votes, taking home spot #14. There was write in support for a number of guys last round, but I saw a few more mentions for Freddy Galvis, so I’ll add him. Remember if you vote OTHER to specify who you are writing in for, as just a blind vote for the other option doesn’t tell me the name. Check below for #15

01. Domonic Brown, OF
02. Trevor May, RHP
03. Phillippe Aumont, RHP
04. Tyson Gillies, OF
05. Anthony Gose, OF
06. Domingo Santana, OF
07. Sebastian Valle, C
08. JC Ramirez, RHP
09. Jarred Cosart, RHP
10. Scott Mathieson, RHP
11. Antonio Bastardo, LHP
12. Brody Colvin, RHP
13. Jon Singleton, 1B
14. Justin De Fratus, RHP
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105 thoughts on “Reader Top 30; #15”

  1. I voted for Pettibone again, currently tied for first place with 2 of the 7 votes cast. I like big, strong right handers who have the ability to miss bats. He also scores pretty well in the SONAR system (take it for what it’s worth).

    At this point, I’m voting for Pettibone over the reliever candidates because although he has a lot of work to do, he’s younger and is currently a starter. I’m going with him over Stutes and Worley because I value the strikeout.

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  3. Ouch….the drop-off is steep after Singleton & even Mathieson & Bastardo are tough to accept in the Top 10 considering what their ceiling is & their advanced age……I went with Rosenberg again but you can throw about 12-15 names against a wall & sort them out as well as truly trying to decide who belongs where it regards to their ranking in the system…..lets hope & pray we see a return to the methods of the 2008 draft & replenish a farm system that haas gotten very bare very quickly……although we just need the Doc to go 8 innings with 1 ER 5 hits 10 ks on Opening Day & the pain of this list will be eased better than a cool beverage on a hot July day…..

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  4. I took Stutes again. I think De Fratus was a poor choice that highly because of the whole reliever debate. Honestly, I see this farm system as deeper than anything I attempted to gauge in previous seasons. I’ve gone 40-50 deep on my personal list and I can STILL find guys to talk about.

    Pettibone I mentioned before, I don’t want to rate him highly until I see him develop a second good pitch.

    As far as pitchers, I think this is the point where you need to take a serious look at Jesus Sanchez. Good peripherals despite a lack of pitching experience.

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  6. still going for Stutes over Galvis at this spot. I think Stutes still has decent upside as a mid-rotation starter and his stats hid his performance somewhat as he was not quite ready for the AA workload.

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  7. Voting for Vance until he gets placed somewhere.
    Vote for Vance has a nice ring to it. I’ll be his campaign manager.

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  8. Jiwan James with the early lead. Jon Sickels had some good things to say about him today…

    He has excellent power and speed potential, and the Phillies think he could develop similarly to Domonic Brown. I’m not sure why, but I think they might be right about this. The little voices in my head are telling me to pay close attention to this one, that he could be one of the toolsy guys who turns into something. There is nothing objective in the numbers leading me that direction; it’s a subjective thing.

    I had my wagon hitched to James for last round, and Sickels’ intuition certainly doesn’t hurt things. With a bunch of guys clumped pretty closely together here, I’ll go with the one with the highest upside.

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  9. I had to vote for Leandro Castro. He’s only 2 months older than Jiwan James but had a much better year at Williamsport.
    2B 3B HR RBI Games
    Castro .316/.351/.512 19 5 7 43 66
    James .264/.336/.372 4 3 1 13 30

    James just doesn’t have the games under his belt yet and Castro has some history.

    I also rate Stutes and Flande above James. I want to put Rosy in here somewhere too.

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  10. Jiwan James,
    Voted for him in the last round. I Keep debating James and Castro. I think James is the pick because he performed reasonably well without neary as much experience as Castro. I also break the tie, in my mind, based on physical attributes.
    Give me the taller and faster player.

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  12. Stutes again.

    For those pushing Hyatt, consider that Stutes and Worley are both younger and pitching at Reading, not Williamsport. Even Savery only 6 months older than Hyatt, so the whole Reading rotation was no more than 6 months older than Hyatt. Rosenberg older than the entire Reading starting rotation.

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  15. Galvis – he has the one plus tool that should make him a utility player at worst. The Phillies also seem to have a lot of faith in him, moving him along aggresively and they know more about him then any of us.

    I have no bones about anyone going Pettibone or James here though.

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  16. Stutes. Should’ve voted for him last round. I think I had him around #11 last year and (unlike Worley) handled the double jump reasonably well.

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  20. I think that’s odd reasoning by Sickels. What if a system had three A plus guys then a bunch of C guys and another system had all B- guys? The B- system would rank higher but I’d rather have the system with a few studs and the rest marginal guys. It’s about producing difference makers and not churning out league average players.

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  21. Another Galvis vote for me, I love the one plus tool and the aggressive promotions he has received, at worst I see him as David Eckstein with a better fielding tool and a much better arm.

    Bellman that’s interesting on Castro I didn’t realize how close they were on age, I’m curious as to how the raw tools compare between Castro and James, seeing as how much better the production has been for Castro.

    Other than that Pettibone and Worley are both real close in my mind then I’d probably go Rosenberg since I could see him having an impact this year and I imagine his stuff will play in the pen long term.

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  22. The trick is that the C/C+ prospects are often potential stars that carry a high degree of risk. In any case, I don’t think it’s anything you can seriously rank organizations on.

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  23. I think the rating might be right. The system is so weak in some positions especially ready ones.

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  26. I went with Stutes again. He might be able to contribute in the back end of the rotation in a few years.

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  27. There is nothing wrong with the system. The phillies just traded all of ML ready talent, they did not need. There are no spots available while they are on this run anyway.
    Most of those prospects are rated c+ because they are far away, not because they are not talented.
    As long as the players are ready in 2012, when they are needed, who cares.

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  28. DanDan —
    I think you are reading way too much into the aggressive movement of Galvis through the system. He has moved fast out of necessity because the Phillies middle IF prospect cupboard is bare and the system was hit by injuries and trades. He made it to Reading last year because of the trickle down effect of the Donald trade and injuries. He didn’t get there on merit. The Phillies were desperate for someone who could just play the position at the AA level so that the pitchers have half a chance. If you want to train up the pitchers to be ground ball pitcher for CBP, you have to have guys that can catch the ball if it is hit on the ground. That kept Harmon around when it was clear he couldn’t hit. The minor league teams can lose because they lack offense, but if the IF fielding is atrocious or the defense of the catcher is atrocious, then it is going to seriously impact the growth of the young pitchers.

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  29. Voting for Jiwan James. The fact that he is a switch hitter and a Center fielder makes him an exciting prospect for me. Lets see:
    Reading: Tyson Gillies
    Clearwater: Anthony Gose
    Lakewood: Jiwan James
    Interesting that the Phillies seem to be loading up on CF prospects. If all three continue to develope next year, somebody becomes a valuable trade chip.

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  30. mike77 Says:

    There is nothing wrong with the system. The phillies just traded all of ML ready talent, they did not need. There are no spots available while they are on this run anyway.
    Most of those prospects are rated c+ because they are far away, not because they are not talented.
    As long as the players are ready in 2012, when they are needed, who cares.

    You have to be kidding what about injuries or trade bait. They will have to pay Blanton 10 mil instead of Drabek 300k
    no infielder or 2012 what are you looking at?

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  31. Drabek is the only prospect that might have played in 2010. Your kidding yourself if you think Drabek, with 2 pitches, would be the Phillies #3 or #4 pitcher this year. Taylor would not play until 2011 at the earliest. Neither one are the difference between not winning and winning the WS in the next 2 years. They obviously feel that by the time the ML core leaves, they will have guys to replace what they lost in Drabek and Taylor. If Brown, Gillies and one of Aumont or Ramirez succeeds at AA, the system is right back where they were at the end of last year.
    Now get off of it, NoWheels. You make my ears bleed with the same whining complaints.

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  32. Then you need something between your ears. If they sign Vic or two years Gillies is trumped. And i will bet against the other two unless Aumont closes. MT will be ROY.

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  33. Allentown
    There was definitely an aspect of trickle down effect to the promotions but at the same time the organization could have easily signed an older player to fill the void if they felt that Galvis couldn’t handle the move. Granted his offense has struggle but you don’t see many 19-20 year olds in the Eastern League, Galvis has a lot of time to work on his offense and grow into his body, like I said I think he could easily be a similar hitter to Eckstein while playing better D

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  34. DanDan
    I think we all understand it comes down to his heart. Some guys like Bowa, the more people told him he couldn’t the harder he worked. good luck to Galvis easily the most interesting Phils player in AAA/AA.

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  35. RodeoJones and baxter: that was a FanPost put together by one of the posters on Minor League Ball, not by Sickels himself. It’s interesting, certainly, but given how tough Sickels grades, it doesn’t really tell the whole story of a system like the Phillies (where guys like James, who he really likes, only gets a C+).

    Another Galvis vote for me, I love the one plus tool and the aggressive promotions he has received, at worst I see him as David Eckstein with a better fielding tool and a much better arm.

    So at worst, Freddy Galvis is a future World Series MVP?

    I’m being facetious of course, but DanDan, you need to temper your expectations. Eckstein is a career .282/.348/.358 hitter at the major league level; by comparison, Galvis is a .234/.283/.286 hitter at the minor league level.

    Look, I love Galvis’ glove, and certainly appreciate what his defense can bring to the table, but there’s a reason I haven’t voted for him yet: it’s that I’m hard-pressed at this point to see him as more than Abraham Nunez (career OPS+: 62). I hope he develops enough with the bat to prove me wrong, but until I see something — anything — to indicate that, he’ll be around 20 or so for me.

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  36. I see Galvis’ upside as that of John McDonald. That’s a nice piece to have but its nothing to get excited about.

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  38. You realize that Drabek was 21 in AA while Carpenter was playing in Short Season ball at that age, right?

    At 25, is Carpenter even a prospect anymore?

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  39. Nowheels, what’s wrong with Vic signing through 2010-2011 and Gillies being ready for 2012?

    I heard A’s assist. GM talking about MT today – they’re (justifiably) very excited about him. But they’re not going to push him. He sees nothing wrong with him getting a few more AAA ABs under his belt. He should be fun to watch – maybe he’ll get called up in June in time to post his ROY.

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  40. I have been looking for Phillies guys who hit .361 in full season ball for at least 200 ABs and haven’t found one.

    The problem with Vic’s signing is simple Gillies good point was that he was more advanced than the guys we have. Two years from now he will be overrun but Gose or James etc. I like him as a player but I like the others better. If Vic signs and stays healthy, I think there will be no place for Gillies. Just my view.

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  41. Nowheels gillies will not be ready for 2 yrs anyway. just in time for vic’s contract to expire and we can trade him or let him walk and potentially get 2 high draft picks that you covet so dearly. Then there is the matter of gose who we have as plan c if gillies doesn’t pan out or we can package him in 4 yrs for hmmmmm….matt cain.

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  42. I’m very happy to be able to vote for Galvis without needing to write him in. I like his glove and his ability to put the bat on the ball. I don’t expect him to develop power, but I do think he can learn to be more selective, learn to foul off pitches and improve his on base percentage. Also, don’t forget he’s very young and is still learning to switch hit, rather than just right-handed.

    I’m not sure why people like Stutes better than Worley. To me they have had very similar minor league careers. Stutes walks and strikes out a few more batters than Worley, which pretty much cancel out. The big reason I like Worley better than Stutes is that he is a full year younger.

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  43. I’ll continue with Galvis. Seems to me, they placed Galvis at Short Season and not Rookie League as a 16 y.o.ritht after he signed. And that was because they could not find anyone else to start at Short Season? As to the non-hitting and non base stealing thing: Even improving slightly enough to maintain his current average to MLB level , that will still exceed numerous MLB Middle Infielders this past season including some starters. As to the OBP and SLUG% thing, and the steals, If he develops as a hitter, he can go up in the order and bat ahead of the likes of Utley , Howard, etc. and there would not be a need to attempt steals and risk an out ahead of the big hitters. If he don’t develop much as a hitter , he would likely bat ahead of the pitcher and not be likely to be allowed many walks anyhow. A line-up can work with a few non-power-hitters in it.

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  44. I would have voted for Worley or Castro – but I cheated and looked up the current vote totals. Went with Jiwan James as he is running neck and neck with the relievers and I have him ahead of them on my list.

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  45. Just for the record I never see Galvis as more than a guy who can hit in the 7 or 8 spot in the lineup, but I do think he will be more than capable of turning the lineup over, doing situational things late in games (i.e. sac bunts, hitting behind runners, etc..) and at some point being a guy that can steal 14-17 bags when a situation calls for it, but at this point in the ranking I think he belongs up there.

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  46. As for being young, remember that though youth is generally a positive, remember it is not the only marker of success. Luis Rivas kept moving up and reached the majors at a young age, but he never developed. At some point you need to actually produce.

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  50. NEPP-

    Yes, I realized the comparison wasn’t apples to apples. Didn’t feel like writing anything long.

    J.A. Happ was 25 in LHV with a 3.60 ERA in 135 IP in 2008.
    Drew Carpenter was 25 in LHV with a 3.35 ERA in 156 IP in 2009.

    Obviously their peripherals weigh heavily to Happ, which is why he was deserving of a higher ranking last year, and I don’t think Carpenter could be anything more than a #5. But at this point (#15) – a major-league ready starter gets my vote over a 20-year old with a .708 OPS in Short Season.

    If he’s not a prospect, that’s a different story, but he has only 6.2 IP in the majors, so I’m guessing he is…

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  51. Stutes has a little better stuff than Worley IMO and that is more important than the small difference in age. It is seen not just in the K/IP but he is less hittable as well. The double jump may not have been a good idea for either one of them.

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  52. Have to laugh at the Galvis/Eckstein comparisons. Eckstein’s worst OPS in the minors was a .665 he put up in AAA while Galvis has yet to get over .600 in any league (not counting the .610 he managed in 29 at-bats in the gulf coast league this season).

    He may have a quality glove but he has yet to demonstrate that pitchers can’t just knocked the bat out of his hands. His only saving grace is that he’s still very young.

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  53. “… a 20 year old with a .708 OPS in short season ball”
    Short sighted statement.
    Michael Taylor was 21 years old in Sort season and had a .650 OPS.
    About James, the guy basically walked in off the street after not playing for 2 years and had a plus OPS in a pitchers league and showed equal tools to Gose. Additionally, he will be age appropriate to his level this year.

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  55. Yes anonymous, and how many of us had Michael Taylor rated that highly after that season? I personally ranked James over Carpenter, but that’s a fair statement.

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  57. “Michael Taylor was 21 years old in Sort season and had a .650 OPS.”

    So did about 30 other players this year, the vast majority of which will never see AAA, let alone the majors. Taylor is the exception, not the rule.

    I’m not saying James won’t be good – I’m aware of his skills – but I personally don’t rank anyone high until they produce. He’s no different than Hewitt or Collier to me right now.

    Prospects have to show me, not tell me, how good they are.

    Just a matter of personal preference I guess.

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  59. “… but I personally dont rank anyone high until they produce… Prospects have to show me not tell me how good they are.”

    Brodie Colvin is #12 on the list. Maybe you did not vote for him. But what did he show the 150 people who voted for him? James has shown more than Colvin.

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  62. Anonymous –

    Pitchers are a little different because you at least can quantify what kind of arm they have (velocity, pitch type, etc…) before they start pitching competitively. With a hitter, it’s all just words and maybe a 40 time or something. You’ll notice there are no hitters up on this list who haven’t really played yet, but Colvin and even Cosart get a pass because you can quantify them in some sense.

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  63. 3up no need to be smug and laugh at the comparisons, you can’t just throw Ecksteins minor league stats and have that be that for the comp. Just so you know those stats, to me, are essentially worthless. Eckstein was a 4 year college guy, played at Florida (obviously a good baseball school) and didn’t see the majors until he was 26 and he only hit 257 his last year in the minors. So before you just throw those stats at me find a way to put them in perspective. Galvis like Eckstein will never be a power hitter, however he could be productive in very similar way’s to Eckstein while playing better D.

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  64. Is there ANY similarity between Eckstein and Galvis? Galvis is taller. Eckstein even in his younger days was sturdier. Galvis is a premium defender, Eckstein plays well enough to get by. Eckstein has little power, Galvis has none. Galvis can not hit a lick, Eckstein hit .300+ in the minors in three seasons. Galvis has little plate discipline, while Eckstein has excellent command of the strike zone. Galvis steals few bases at a poor percentage. Eckstein frequently stole 20+ bases a season in the minors.

    To say these guys are similar players is frankly a bit insulting. They are different in every facet of the game.

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  65. Not being smug about anything DanDan but as Alan said above, there is nothing between the 2 players than even remotely compares.

    There just seems to be a lot of wishful projections being thrown on Galvis that have no basis.

    You stated that AT WORST, Galvis would be an Eckstein type with better defense and arm. Sorry, but I don’t see anything even remotely at this point to make that argument. He’s never hit for average or power and he walked just 13 times last year in 365 plate appearances so he’s not exactly going to work the pitcher. He’s also never stole more than 14 bases at any level but is going to steal 14-17 in the majors?

    Sorry, but right now he will have to improve his number to even get to Rey Ordonez…

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  66. Because it is relevant to our discussions . . . .

    It should be noted that the Phils have signed Blanton to a 3-year, $24 million contract. A Pat Gillick special if ever there was one (take a solid and fairly young pitcher, lock him up at reasonable rates for 2-3 years and move on to the next priority).

    If you think about this for a while, it certainly isn’t the worst thing in the world. You can say a lot about Joe Blanton, but he’s a true workhorse type of pitcher (a more valuable trait now than ever before since bullpens are increasingly overburdened) and can have long stretches where he is truly excellent. At worst, he settles in as a reliable, innings-eating 4 or 5 and, at best, he pitches like a 2 or a 3. This move also allows the team to focus on developing or acquiring only the best young talent for the rotation, knowing that we really don’t have to promote guys just to see if they can eat innings.

    I can’t say I love this deal, but it could end up being a very good thing in the long run. It also makes me wonder what their plans are for Victorino. Don’t be surprised if he also gets a 2 or 3 year deal.

    I wonder what all this spending means for Jayson Werth – he is the one player they cannot afford to lose next year. Perhaps they go over budget for a year (you can stop laughing now).

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  67. First I’ll say that Galvis isn’t going to be Eckstein over night since he obviously has to make more consistent contact, develop better command of the zone and refine baserunning skills, that doesn’t mean I don’t think that Galvis will eventually be a similar player, likely out of necessity since he will never be strong enough to be too different.

    I’m a fan of baseball cube which rates Eckstein as follows: power:12, batting 66, speed 64, contact 97 and patience 50 with no mention of fielding but Galvis is the better defender.

    For Galvis those ratings are power: 9, batting 27, speed 71 contact 85 patience 27. Obviously neither are power threats, Galvis HAS work to do in terms of patience at the plate and his general approach at the plate, making consistent hard contact but he does have the ability to make consistent contact he just isn’t hitting enough line drives to make his ability to make contact count.

    Finally I can’t say it enough but he was a 19 year old in AA he has time to hone these skills and become more competent at the plate, he obviously isn’t going to be a slugger there but I comp him to a guy like Eckstein who has a positive impact at the position with no power and Galvis plays better D, it’s not meant to be an insult to anyone’s intelligence but that is what I see when I look at him as a prospect.

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  68. Those scouting reports are purely based on statistics. They’re not adjusted for home park, and they’re not even adjusted for league difficulty. It appears to work on 2008 statistics, so in essence you’re trying to draw a comparison between a prospect and a major leaguer by comparing the prospect to that player on the downside of his career. Those ratings really aren’t useful.

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  69. I’m glad someone finally dismissed that silly Galvis to Eckstein comparison.
    Does not matter much, if Galvis raises his average a few points, he does not take walks. He probably will never be a high BB guy, because he lacks power to such an extent that pitchers will never need to pitch carefully to him. That, combined with no speed, is a bad offensive combination.
    You have to be able to work a walk if you are an 8 hole hitter. You need the ability to steal bases if you have zero power.

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  70. “He probably will never be a high BB guy, because he lacks power to such an extent that pitchers will never need to pitch carefully to him. That, combined with no speed, is a bad offensive combination.”

    Eckstein isn’t exactly a power hitter but he draws walks, so I wouldn’t say power is a prerequisite for walks and who says he has no speed, at this point he isn’t a great basestealer but that is a developed skill not something that you can just do.

    The kid is 19, when I was 19 I was a fringe starter in college by the time I was 22 I was one of the five best players in the conference, you can’t just look at his numbers and say he will never hit, give him time for his age to catch up to his league and he has a much better chance to be productive, but I can see I’m fighting a losing battle here so I’ll just keep voting Galvis until he gets a spot and in 3 years we can all look back and think DanDan should be a GM lol.

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  72. If Glavis were a highly touted high school player then maybe others would agree he is being rushed for his age and that the ‘talent’ will eventually come through.

    Because he has always been young for his league and been a below average hitter it is difficult to project his upside. As someone else noted, he at least appears to already have a Major League quality skill – defense at a critical position. Therefore, he will probably be a major league player at some point. How many other prospects will make it that far?

    I voted for Flande. Some upside, some good results at slightly higher levels, pitched in Futures game, lefty. I guess he fits the ‘safer’ pick.

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  73. Vic just got a 3 year deal so that means Gillies has more time to develop now. Though Vic could always be moved back to RF if need be.

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  74. c’mon Nepp that is some spin job. Gillies is toast and you know
    it. If you see an offseason plan now let me know. Blanton probably is selling his exercise equipment in a yard sale saturday. Vic earned what he got but everything else is a race to be ” compete ” Eagles style.

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  75. Gads I am puzzled last month all you guys were saying we couldn’t get a prospect for Blanton now he is signed long term.
    Now we can all line up and say what a good thing this is.

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  76. How is Gillies toast? He’ll be in AA this year and we’ll have 2 OF openings over the next couple years. You make no sense sometimes.

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  78. Yes, Gillies won’t exactly be blocked in 2012 the way Howard was. He or Vic can slide to their right or (I hope not, Werth is a fav of mine) left.

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  80. Based on scouting reports that I’ve read Gillies is Vic strictly from the left side without power. After the Jason Bay contract you can bet Werth is gone after this year and you have to plan that Ibanez will wear down in the 3rd and final year of his deal.

    That leaves us missing a power RH bat again in the big club line up. In fact I don’t see any power from the right side at all in our system unless you somehow see Durant start to accelerate in his development.

    My point I think we’re to heavy in the “toolsy” OF department.

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  82. Does anybody here like the idea of an outfield with both Victorino and Gillies (or Gose?). I don’t. It sounds like the KC Royals, not the Phillies.

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  83. Nepp
    Gillies has no chance to play regularly for four years. Lets not forget how he got here. If really and ever fit their plans, they seem to have changed there minds in light of the other top outfielders in system as of now. The next two draft could
    produce even more competition .

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  85. If I had my way it would have been Taylor and Brown surrounding Victorino in center. (after this season of course)

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  86. Are we seriously complaining because the Phillies gave a three year deal to their All-Star center fielder? Seriously?

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  87. Vic’s contract is very tradeable if Gillies or Gose forces Ruben’s hand, which would be a good thing.

    It’s really a foregone conclusion to me now that Dom Brown is starting in RF in 2011 with Francisco as a fallback.

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  88. I can only speak for myself but, no, I’m not complaining. I am just wondering what the plans are for the outfield post-2010. In isolation, I like all of these signings to varying degrees, but, unless Dom Brown kicks tail in AA and AAA THIS YEAR, the most important signing of the next few years will be Jayson Werth. If signing Victorino means that we do not sign Werth and let him go on his merry way (and, yes, the team does say this sort of thing, saying “well, if we pay for this guy, it takes us over budget for other things, blah, blah, blah”), then, no, I’m not too happy about it. If we have Werth and Victorino in the fold, things should work out just fine. To me, long term (by that, I mean 5 years or so), Werth is the one guy I want to stay in this outfield.

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  89. ****Gillies has no chance to play regularly for four years. Lets not forget how he got here. ****

    Because Vic or Gillies are both incapable of playing RF…good to know.

    As for Brown in 2011…I would put money on Francisco being the starter with Brown maybe making the team as a 4th OF.

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  90. I think/hope that they will sign Werth, bring up Brown as another outfielder mid-2011 and have him replace Ibanez in 2012. They sure did make things more expensive for themselves by trading MT.

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  92. If brown doesn’t win starting job he goes back to LHV where he obviously would need to work on things and continue his development. Why would you want to make a 23 year old with his talent a 4th Outfielder?

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  93. ****If Francisco is the starter in 2011, that’s likely a HUGE dropoff from Werth.****

    Francisco is likely good for a line of .270/.330/.440 with 20 HRs. Its not great but not terrible either. Its about league average for a corner OF.

    ***Why would you want to make a 23 year old with his talent a 4th Outfielder?****

    Because he’d likely get 300-400 ABs between subbing for Ibanez and Francisco…he could even platoon with Francisco if need be as Frankie is a RH hitter.

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  94. Vic or Gillies could play RF obviously but it’s not the best use of their talents and will result in below average power from a corner OF slot – usually one of the easiest positions to put power into.

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  95. Alan nonono
    Did you read this?
    “Vic earned what he got”

    Just the overall plan. Same team 3more years when has that worked out except the Yankees.

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  96. ****Vic or Gillies could play RF obviously but it’s not the best use of their talents and will result in below average power from a corner OF slot – usually one of the easiest positions to put power into.****

    Vic’s defense in RF would make up for it and we’d still be getting above avg power from other traditional non-power positions like SS & 2B. There is no law that says a RF has to hit for power. Ichiro has always been a RF…no one in Seattle is complaining that he doesnt hit HRs.

    Gillies could play there for a year till Vic’s contract was up if need be and it wouldn’t hurt him or the team…or vice versa by moving an older Vic back to RF where he excelled defensively.

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  97. Just because players are under contract for additional years doesn’t necessarily mean they will be in Philly for all of that time.

    IF Brown, Gillies, Gose, etc. reach the point where they are pushing for regular playing time then guys like Victorino or Ibanez become trade bait to be used to fill other holes. The fact that a good player is under contract at a reasonable $$$ (at least in the case of Blanton/Victorino) just makes them more attractive.

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  98. Not complaining about the Vic signing. Lamenting the lack of power in the wings assuming we don’t keep Werth.

    With a home field like CBP you need some guys that can mash playing the corners to take advantage.

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  99. Phuture Phillies Nation,

    It is I, Ruben Amaro. I like you share an intense love for the minor league system (please reference the Cliff Lee trade). Because I can see that we are kindred spirits I will again give you insight to my master plan.

    LF- D. Brown
    RF- S Victorino
    CF- T Gilles
    4th outfield- A. Gose

    That my friends is 4 gold gloves in the outfield. Do you think a ball will ever land in the outfield with these four patroling the grass? Gone are the days of opponents hitting doubles and triples. Bloop singles are a thing of the past. Think about that. Then consider my infield of Howard, Chutley, Rollins, and Polanco. Three Gold Glvovers there. Statistically speaking these guys are going to put out 99.9% of everything hit on the ground.

    So where does that leave us? Nothing gets through the infield, nothing lands in the outfield. THE ONLY WAY OPPONENTS CAN SCORE IS BY HITTING HOME RUNS!!!

    Now my outfield won’t hit for a lot of power, but they will get on base and steal, steal, steal. Give me a Ferrari over a Hummer any day baby. If these guys don’t steal their way around the bases one of the big three infielders will hit them in.

    You can’t beat this system in a 7 game playoff. It’s statistically impossible. I ran the simulations on the super computers at Stanford myself.

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  101. Ruben Amaro’s Master Plan

    Great plan if the team was in Miami. Remember CBP is a small field with a smmmmalll outfield. The defensive opps are limited
    As for your infield you have only Halladay as a ground ball
    starting pitcher.

    Nameless one get a name or contribute something .

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  102. Nepp – I don’t buy into the arguement that the power at SS and 2B compensates for a lack of power in RF. Why handicap yourself somewhere because you have an advantage somewhere else?

    If either Vic or Gillies got on base at a clip like Ichiro it would be different, but they don’t.

    I’m so far OT I have to stop. Sorry. We’ll just have to agree to disagree NEPP.

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