Reader Top 30; #12

2010 Reader Top 30

Antonio Bastardo took #11 in a landslide, grabbing 48% of the votes. I’m going to add Vance Worley, Rosenberg and Jon Pettibone to the ballot for #13, as both were written in for #11 in the comments. I’m currently working on the top 2B prospects in the minors according to SONAR piece, which will be up either today or tomorrow, so check back for that. Check below for the voting for #12

01. Domonic Brown, OF
02. Trevor May, RHP
03. Phillippe Aumont, RHP
04. Tyson Gillies, OF
05. Anthony Gose, OF
06. Domingo Santana, OF
07. Sebastian Valle, C
08. JC Ramirez, RHP
09. Jarred Cosart, RHP
10. Scott Mathieson, RHP
11. Antonio Bastardo, LHP
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58 thoughts on “Reader Top 30; #12”

  1. Singleton- amazing k-bb ratio as a 17 year old. Toss up between him and colvin but he has shown it on the diamond.

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  2. Colvin for all the reasons that I stated in the last thread, mike77 in the #11 poll argued for Bastardo but then said Colvin is basically at the same place that May was a year ago and now May is our 2nd best prospect by our standards. Colvin is a stud, in 4 years Bastardo and Mathieson will be fringe major leaguers while Colvin will be ready to storm the league.

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  3. May was the 180th best prep player when he was drafted, Colvin was the 43rd. May signed for under $400K, Colvin signed for $800K. As much as May has exceeded expectations, I’d say the expectations for Colvin are much higher. Also, our net prospect loss since last year is 4, so in reality if we had any of those four guys still they’d all probably be ahead of Colvin and he’d be coming in around #16, four spots ahead of May last year. I’d say that makes Colvin being our 10-12th best prospect very reasonable even though he hasn’t pitched much yet.

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  4. Now that Bastardo is finally off the list, I can vote for someone else. My next guy is Colvin for all the reasons everyone has said before although I value Bastardo more today. I have Stutes, Singleton and Shreve as my next three in order and it should be interesting to see how it goes. A Colvin vote is 100% based on others’ opinion of course since he hasn’t pitched yet. Cosart and Shreve are similar situations though.

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  5. I think that Stutes should be the next guy to go into the voting list when another slot opens up. Right now Worley and him are neck and neck IMHO.

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  7. Colvin over Singleton then Stutes. Colvin for his upside. He really was the best talent we drafted last year. Obviously this ranking is not based on performance, but on talent he might belong in our top 5 these days.

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  10. DanDan, young players get hurt or just don’t pan out sometimes. I like your optimism, but you should temper your expectations a tad. For every Cole Hamels there are many Brad Baisleys and Adam Walkers. Even a Kris Stevens, Keith Bucktrot, or Adam Burger (I’m old).

    I voted for Singleton due to solid performance, physical upside, and age. He’s not Domingo Santana, but it wouldn’t be the biggest surprise to see him outplay Domingo this year. I like Colvin a lot, but would like to see more performance before I rate him too highly. That said, I agree with everyone else that Colvin has the most potential to shoot up this list during the 2010 season.

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  11. # 12 ..Austin Hyatt ……. .066 ERA ..81K in 54 inn with a Whip of 0.70
    Was the closer for Lakewood when they won their championship

    What reliever has better stats in the Phillies system ?

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  13. I have Pettibone in my 12 spot, but Colvin and Singleton are still on the board. I’ll really start campaigning for JP once Colvin, and then Singleton are off of the board.

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  15. That’s phenomenal news on Aumont. I didn’t have him nearly as high as 3 because of the perception he would stay in the pen. But as a starter I’m much more comfortable with him that high on our list, and could make a good case for him over May.

    This time it’s projection vs. projection. I go Singleton here because of what he showed in his half season of pro ball. You don’t often find an 18 year old kid with that kind of patience and power. With a good start at Williamsport, I’d give him a shot to get jumped to Lakewood towards the end. He’s our best infield prospect by a long shot and because of the number of projectable arms we have in the system already (Cosart, May, Ramirez, Aumont), I’d value him over Colvin.

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  16. When I put my post-season top 30 together, I had Worley next, but now leaning to Singleton or Colvin ahead of him. I’ll go Colvin.

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  18. Dom, Hyatts #’s were from Williamsport, not Lakewood. As a 23-year old, I would expect him to dominate 17/18 year olds in SS ball.

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  20. Boston Phan I totally understand the need to temper expectations with young guys but when putting something like this together the first two things I look at are age and talent and Colvin obviously is way ahead of the curve on both criteria, I look through old drafts quite a bit and it is amazing how many top 10 picks are just nothing now but I still have high hopes for Colvin especially when I think of what he could be. Between the reports that he has easy arm action, sits in the 90’s with sharp breaking stuff and at 6’4 190 he probably has room to grow there is just too much for me to like.

    As much as I want a guy like Mathieson to be incredibly successful after all he has gone through there is no way I could ever rate him in front of Colvin with his injury history. I even like Bastardo even though it may seem like I don’t but the Santana comparisons are pretty far fetched. Even though he has a few years in front of him I trust the Phils system to tap Colvin’s potential and that potential makes him a top end arm.

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  21. Jon Singleton,

    Two HS kids who were bought out from their scholarships. Both highly regarded. I take the 17 year old with 30 games and 100 abs over the 18 year old with 1 games and 2 innings.

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  22. Colvin
    Singleton
    Stutes
    DeFratus

    Nice video on Singleton. I like that he looks like a baseball player, not a football player or a track star. Very strong lower body and compact, strong, but loose upper body – a body built for generating power with a bat. Very nice.

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  24. I can only speak for myself but I did roughly the same thing and, I assure you, I haven’t gotten any smarter; there are just fewer good items on the menu.

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  25. Nice video of Singleton. Seems like a Tony Gwynn-type player. Intelligent hitting approach, patient, good avg hitter, takes walks, not fast, not slow, good all-around baseball fundamentals, a guy you would expect to be an above avg fielder. Gimme some more of that. I’m likin’ it.

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  29. I go with Singleton, although I think Colvin and De Fratus would both be good picks here. But I like Singleton’s eye and his performance so far.

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  30. “Schwimer should be next on the list”
    Great, every minor league middle relief prospect in the organization will be on the next poll.

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  32. According to some reports, Singleton is also a superior fielder at 1st base.

    Thanks for his video.

    He has quck swings dissimilar from Gwynn in that Singleton (The Kid) displays much more power in his swing….while Gwynn slapped at the ball. His “eye” does appear developing like Gwynn’s.

    His bb/k rate at his age is remarkable…considering that he also hit near .300.

    Because of all this, I foresee the POSSIBILITY that he could successfuly fill Howard’s shoes with some fewer home runs…but better ba. Maybe he is/will be a lot less vulnerable to Ks vs. lefties.There’s a lot there to like.

    Colvin promises a lot; he just hasn’t had time to prove much.

    P.S. Please, RAJ, draft 4 infielders, two catchers, and 4 pitchers in June.

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  33. Oh Yeah…in watching the video we see a guy who is limber with his body movement…and also has a big butt to bring solidty to his future power.

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  34. I went with Colvin here. Sounded like the LSU coach knew he was special based on his reaction to the signings.

    Another dark horse that we should start to consider pretty soon is Julio Rodriguez. Put up some pretty impressive K numbers in GCL and doing well right now in the PWL.

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  35. I’ll continue with Colvin here, and I’ll be inclined to work Singleton in next. As far as the placement of Singleton next season, I don’t see him not starting off in Lakewood. The Other choices there I see as even less experienced and accomplished players, and Darin Ruf. (Murphy and Hamilton will have to make Clearwater or go, I think) Ruf is quite the fielder and will play most at 1B, with Singleton and Ruf alternating at 1B and DH. I believe Singleton could easily fill the DH role there, and I don’t project any better choices except for the possibility of C.Hernadez, and J.Villar starting in MI, and perhaps even Hewitt goiing back to 3rd, and they could use Barnes and/or Buschini there.

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  36. If it stays this close, we should have a re-vote with just these two players and make one of them 12 and the other 13. The way it is now, Colvin’s up by 1. Nailbiter.

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  37. I’m suprised that Castro has not received any mention yet. Seems all the attention is on the relief pitchers in the system. Seems to me that Castro would, at least, get a mention before some of these relievers.

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  38. I voted for Singleton. He’s # 10 on my personal top 30. I like DeFratus ahead of Colvin. I understand Colvin’s huge potential but I like guys to have some innings under their belt. Flande and Stutes are also on my radar in the next few slots. Schwimer, Rosenberg and Hyatt are in the top 20. I’m only looking at pitchers it seems after Singleton. I have to find a slot for Galvis, Jiwan James and a few of the Short Season position guys. Is Mayberry eligible or does he have too my ABs in the big leagues. He’ll be 26 this year and maybe that precludes him.

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  39. Mayberry was on the ML roster for more than 45 days, so even though he doesn’t have enough AB’s, he is no longer considered a rookie.

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  40. Thanks for that info. Personally, I don’t have Mayberry in my personal top #30 even if he’s prospect eligible.

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  41. Worley again—will be a great reliever in Phiily some day–I really like Galvis much better than anyone else here does so I am torn.

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  42. I guess I am at the point where talent and projection is just too overwhelming again. Colvin over Singleton since Colvin could be an ace. I think Singleton, stuck at first base, could max out as a fringe all star.

    But after these 2 players, I really have no idea who should be next: poor results and projection or better results but too old for their level.
    Maybe add Leandro Castro in a few spots.

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  43. I wonder how Leandro Castro rates defensively. Is he good enough to stay in CF?
    Gose will be in CF in Clearwater. In Lakewood, it could be Castro, Jiwan James or Hewitt in CF. Or the Phillies could jump Leandro Castro to Clearwater and play him in RF, while playing Jiwan James in RF in Lakewood.
    Either way, I hope Anthony Hewitt’s move to CF does not keep Leandro Castro or Jiwan James from playing CF, if they are capable.

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  45. “I’m pretty certain Hewitt is going to be a corner outfielder.”

    Might as well take him out and shoot him then. His speed and athleticism would be basically wasted. He has to stay in CF to be a prospect.

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  46. Hewitt’s value was never predesignated by his defensive position. It’s based on his pure power potential. Though if he were a CFer he’d fit the Gorman Thomas mold pretty well. (In player type, not ability.)

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  47. Went with Colvin here — and that’s as a really, really big fan of Singleton. I’m just a big believer in the offensive standard being higher for first basemen, so while Singleton’s (small sample size) debut was very impressive, I’ll put him a smidge behind the projectable arm with glowing scouting reports.

    Anyway, it’s 139 to 137 right now in favor of Colvin. Yikes. Did we have run-offs in years past? Not sure even that would change the closeness of the vote.

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  48. I recall a runoff vote once last year. If there was a tie and we did it like last year only Colvin and Singleton would be on the ballot with the winner getting ranked #12 and the loser getting ranked #13. Matheison and Bastardo almost tied this year, so I guess PP needs to set another deadline for voting and we”ll see what happens.

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  49. Phillies prospect lists note: on Phillies website Phillies Insider blog: Larry Shenk quotes John Manuel of BA on revised Phillies top 10 prospects, since Lee/Halladay trades. Interesting that on this Freddy Galvis is #10. Don’t know if this has been on here before or not.

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  50. I admit I have been ignoring Galvis in my thinking. He is behind Colvin and Singleton in my opinion but could be right after them along with a few others like Stutes and James.

    Defensive value is very tough to value on prospect lists. All we have are offensive stats and Galvis projects to be a Rey Ordonez-type non-hitter at this stage. But if Galvis could get his offense up to major league replacement level (.650 OPS maybe for a SS, .700 ideally), is his defense enough to make him a viable starter at the position? Another way to think about it is that his defense might be worth 50+ points of OPS in comparison to an average defensive SS. Thinking that way (and knowing his offensive stats are influenced by him being really young for his league) probably puts him in our top 15 prospects.

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  51. If Galvis starts hitting he shoots up the rankings, but that’s a big IF. I still think he’s top 20 as he’s at worst a utility guy and not everyone is guaranteed to make it, but if his glove is as good as reported he’ll find a spot somewhere as a 25th man someday.

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  52. I have Galvis at #17, but admit he is a very hard guy to rank. When I watched him bat at Reading, he seemed pretty hopeless, but he is still very young, so who really knows how he develops.

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  53. I’d have Colvin in this spot, then Singleton then I’d have to go with Galvis. Already at AA at a young age and from what I’ve read he has at least a little room to grow into his body which would help him as a hitter. If he wasn’t a true prospect I don’t think there is any way the Phillies would be pushing him through the levels the way they have, at some point his bat will catch up with his level and he could be a league average offensive SS with plus plus fielding, that’s pretty good in my book.

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  54. Getting off the top 30 for a second, I see Matt German is still on the Reading roster. He was injured last year after 15 innings of work. I really liked him as a lefty reliever. Does anyone know what the injury was? What’s the prognosis for this coming season?

    He’s not top 30 but I’ve followed him since the team sites had him listed at 6’8″. I thought that a guy that tall (like Schwim) who can get guys out, is a great asset. Someone went to see him play and said, “he’s barely 6′ tall”. Doesn’t make me like him any less. I’d like to see him come back strong and give us another lefty reliever to talk about.

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  55. If Galvis ceiling is a half notch below Ozzie Smith and hitting about the same, that is pretty valuable. Hope he grows into his body as he is still young, as mentioned. He is one of the fark horses that makes following fringe prospects fun when it pans out at times (such as Ruiz–even Rollins at certain points, who was written off many times in the paper as he came up through minors–Bill Conlin being one, who railed that Phils can’t teach hitting, with Rollins .240 averages as proof point.)

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  56. Can any of you knowledgeable guys tell me the relative attributes of Cosart vs. Colvin? Why should Cosart be ranked higher? Compare their stuff? Are they both ace potential, etc.?

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  57. This is from Perfect Game USA not subscriber info on Cosart:
    unbelievable arm strength, quick clean arm action on the mound, balanced delivery, nice extension, sharp 11 to 5 curveball, curveball is an out pitch, nice sink and run on change-up, feel for three above average pitches, strong student, highest level prospect, potential early round draft pick.
    I posted their write up on Colvin on the #11 vote, it certainly seems from this that Cosart is a hair above Colvin from their predraft rankings, of course time has passed but Cosart is a little better, both have top end stuff

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