77 thoughts on “Reading Phillies Weekly Report (5/04 – 5/10)”

1. Harman’s hitting .300 the last 10 games and has only struck out 4 times. Hopefully he keep it up and gets back to prospect status.

   Btw on top of Worley’s bb/k rate, I love that he’s getting a good amount of ground balls. 1.60 GO/AO. Shows that he gets good sink and run on his fastball.

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2. does anyone know if he throws a four-seam or two-seam fastball? Worley I mean?

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3. There has been a lot of talk about Savery moving to relief and hitting.
   Can we agree something other than status quo is needed. The more I think about limiting Savery’s next two starts as a step to relief or revival while experimenting as a semifull time
   hitter, the more it makes sense.
   Worley is making a serious move to number one minor league
   pitcher for the Phils with Mr Stutes in the next car.
   Nice move by Harman

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4. Hey man great stuff, love the sarcasm when writing about the guys that are doing poorly. (that’s not sarcasm, it’s good stuff) Maybe they could teach Joe a cutter if his fastball is too straight.

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5. Warm up the Zman if Tashner cant even get a leftie out what good is he. Lets end the Jaramillo,Paulino,Tasner mess. Ok Ruben you made a mistake not the end of the world. Giving
   Z a few outings even in trash time until JC comes back, Has got to be better than today

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6. Good to see Worley continuing to pitch well.

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7. Great report.
   ‘Nuff said.

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8. I wanted to read the scouting report on Worley, I think it ‘s unbelieveable, when you read the crosschecker, and pp and others on picks. They hit the nail on the head on a lot of guys, pp said of some of the picks that he didn;t like and two years later he was right on almost everyone, Even with taylor, said disappointing but very toolsy could develop. In fact the only one I question is he liked if I read right , Sampson over Workman, and that is yet to be determined, but only from what I have read workman last season really came on in the cod league. Does PP see a lot of these kids or mostly on the material he can read , one scout said Knapp was the most overrated pitcher in newjersey, wow. I wonder if he still feels that way? On worley it said 92-93 fastball. I still can’t figure some of these speed reading like how does myers only throw 90. did he lose velocity since he was drafted. or was that what he was throwing in the minors.

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9. I really think Savery needs to stay in the rotation, at least until the end of this season if not more. The only alternative for Savery, in my opinion, is that he get switched to a full time position prospect (I am not saying I think this is a good idea, just that it is the only alternative).
   Basically, what I am getting at, is that I really see no reason why Savery would adapt well to a bullpen role. Savery does not have outrageous splits in his minor league career that would indicate he might be an exceptional LOOGY option. His BAA against LH is .039 points better than that of RH which is nothing outrageous. This could entirely be because of a large .057 BABIP difference in favor of (lower for) LH. Also, while Savery walks LH less, he also has less k’s against them. None of this data indicates a LOOGY future.
   Forgetting the idea of Savery becoming a LOOGY, I also do not see a brighter bullpen future in which he could become a viable late inning option (unless of course he develops a better fastball, but then why not leave him a starter). Basically, I look for pitchers who have an average to plus repertoire of two pitches, one being a fastball and the other a breaking ball. Typically, these pitchers’ stuff can play up in short stints and the pitcher will not be exposed by facing the lineup multiple times with only two pitches. However, Savery is not that type of pitcher. If anything, he is the exact opposite. He has two off-speed pitches that I believe could play at the major league level, but has trouble utilizing them because he never works off of his fastball (think Myers).
   The thing is, I really think Savery can turn this around. I do not think Savery needs to be low to mid 90’s to be successful. For whatever reason, his velocity has never come back post surgery and at this point I do not think we should expect it to. What really hurts Savery is that his fastball is relatively straight and he has trouble locating it. Fortunately, those are two aspects of the fastball that a pitcher can change over time. If Savery can improve upon his command and movement, then I think he can become a legitimate mid-rotation starter at the major league level. Anyway, those are my thoughts. I would want to keep Savery in the rotation until the end of 2010. Then, if he is still struggling, I would switch him to a fielding position.

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10. Savery at 88-90 with two off speed pitches. what is the difference between him and Myers or blanton, the only thing is he is lefthanded, but in my opinion you, described, blanton,
    Myers, straight low velocity fastball. not controled in the zone, with descent or better off speed pitches. to me its hard to see this guy being anything but a relief pitcher or loogy. But all we are doing is voicing our opinion for fun. Hopefully you are right about him, First round bust hurt you,

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11. Went to the Reading game today. I was very disappointed to see that Taylor was being given the day off–he looked fine warming up, I think it was just a day of rest coming off his recent “shut-down”.

    Worley threw consistently around 87-88 on the gun, peaking at 92. He has a cutter, a slider, and a very slow curve that breaks at least a foot (the gun on the curve said 69-71). He threw very few four-seam FBs, usually with two strikes and high in the zone. He had excellent control, and kept the ball down in the zone. In the 7th, with a 1-0 lead, he tired a bit, but with a runner on second and no one out, he got a flyball, then jammed a guy who hit a bleeder to the 3Bman. After a walk, he concentrated and struck the next guy out on three pitches, the last on a good FB at 91. He was clearly tired in the 8th (should have been pulled) and gave up a long HR to RCF (wind was blowing out hard today). He looks good at the plate; hit one to the track himself. Probably could use an extra MPH or two on his FB, but could be a serviceable starter if his control stays razor-sharp. His curve is a really good out-pitch, but if he hangs it he’s dead.

    Berry’s HR was a shot over the pool and into the back of the pavilion in dead RF. Berry has a beautiful swing, although it’s long for a guy with such limited power. He squared the ball up twice, once on the HR and once on a hard-hit single. Struck out on three 95+ FBs in the first inning from Altoona (Pirates) starter Brad Lincoln, who was consistently around 95 on the Reading gun. Harman had a good game, doubling hard to the wall in RCF in the first and singling hard to LCF after Berry’s HR.

    Escalona threw his FB around 88 and hit 91 on his fastest pitch. He looked pretty difficult to time, throwing pitches at a lot of different speeds. I think his slider was his out-pitch. Only hit off him was a dribbler into the no-mans land between pitcher, 1B, and 2B.

    Sellers, Stavisky, and Mahar are solid AA vets. Milner looked a bit overmatched.

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12. This isnt too hard using past stats to justify what will happen in a completely new situation doesnt float. Shorter stints by
    Savery may mean a better fastball. I dont know that but neither does anyone else until it is tried. I am not sending him to hell but a short stint cant hurt. Two start only three innings each then rethink

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13. phillychuck thanks. Not knowing a lot about prospects, a righthanded pitcher who is around 88 that to me doesn’t related well to starting in the majors. I really thought this kid had a plus fastball and a lot of good offspeed stuff, If you look at myers and blanton they are 88-90 and have great curves, yet they get banged. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but he doesn’t give me as much hope to be a big time pitcher, as I had hoped,

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14. A couple things “mikemike”

    1- Myers & Blanton throw that speed but their fastballs are straight as arrows. Also they haven’t located their fastballs very well. Example: Look at what Myers did the second half of last year after his minors trip he was aggressive and spotted his fastballs down at the knees. Same speed/movement and he was awesome.

    2- Blanton doesn’t have a great curve ball, his curve is ok. It’s a slow loopy ball that he doesn’t throw very often at all since he’s been with the Phils. Not sure if that’s because of Dubee or because of other things.

    3- Myers CB is highly highly affective when he doesn’t fall in love with it and scrap his fastball. When he’s on he’s pounding fastballs for strikes and throwing that devastating CB that drops out of the zone low.

    4- From what I know about Worley his fastball has some sink and run on it. It also appears he can locate it consistently. If you’re aggressive and can spot your fastball you can succeed.

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15. He isn’t going to magically throw harder because he isn’t pitching for as long. It doesn’t work that way.

    Thanks caz, your reports are really enjoyable to read. And thanks phillychuck, that was an awesome firsthand report. I had been curious what Worley’s stuff was like– How is the movement on his fastball?

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16. Thanks B, I had started typing that before you made your post.

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17. “mikemike Says:
    …Maybe I am reading too much into it, but he doesn’t give me as much hope to be a big time pitcher, as I had hoped,”

    Well, Worley never projected to be a ‘big-time’ pitcher anyway. the velocity numbers are a little of a bummer, but he seems to thave the stuff and ability to succeed in some capacity anyway.

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18. Skunky Says:
    He isn’t going to magically throw harder because he isn’t pitching for as long. It doesn’t work that way.

    And you know this how? crystal ball, medical degree, Savery
    for the most part has been effective for a few innings. Is it impossible that he lack stamina in his arm or that pacing himself isnt his thing.
    If i said i was going to give you ten buck, you would have something neative to say.

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19. B pounding fastballs at 88-89? is one of the things that to me makes myers so hittable, he has a great curve, but when guys know you can’t blow it by them ,and don’t have pinpoint control. You become very hittable. and after Reading about Worley in the draft report, and now from the reports on this blog it might be that PP and Scouts were right, They though he might be a bullpen guy, Hope PP breaks his silence and explains to us about his opinion on what he project this kid to be,

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20. Actually, a lot of pitchers are able to increase velocity by being used for short stints…Myers in relief did this, Chan Ho Park did it last year, Madson said part of his velocity increase is knowing he’s only out there for 1 inning at a time instead of long-relief, etc etc etc. I could probably name a dozen more guys that have increased velocity because of going from starting to short relief. Its the difference between pacing oneself on the mound and throwing 100% on every pitch.

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21. Worley is another guy who might benefit from some Moyer time.
    Is something wrong with MT ? Since the days off he hasnt hit
    and everyone was asking why the days off when he was hot.

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22. But, if Savery increases his velocity from 87-90 to 90-93 or whatever, I do not think it is going to make a difference. A 93 mph fastball thrown straight and with no control is going to get pounded. He needs movement and command more so than just velocity. Also, nowheels keeps alluding to the fact that Savery is effective “for a few innings” at the beginning of games. That is just incorrect. I am not sure why nowheels continues to say things while never looking at the data to see if it supports his claim, but Savery has been remarkably consistent through 7 innings in his entire career. His FIP and K/9 are consistent through 7 while his WHIP and W/9 decrease as the game progresses. So, if anything, I agree with the exact opposite of what nowheels says, Savery is not extremely effective for one inning, but rather is consistent throughout a game.

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23. That was me above.

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24. i know

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25. honestly ask yourself if you would be giving a pitcher with savery’s stuff and stats this much focus if he wasn’t a first round pick. assume the exact same person with the exact same stuff and stats. now assume he slipped to the 4th round. would you be as hopeful about him becoming a good mlb starting pitcher?

    i think everone is still to focused on this guy because of his draft position. but nothing else suggests he deserves this type of attention.

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26. Of course Savery garners more attention because he was a first round draft choice. It happens with every first round draft pick for every team in every sport. I do not see your point.

    Also, I think I was rather critical of Savery. I said he would need a complete revamping of his fastball in order to become a legitimate mid-rotation starter. Not exactly a glowing recommendation.

    I guess I just do not see what you are getting at PP Fan. I agree that if Savery was a mid-round pick and performed similarly thus far throughout his career, then he would not be paid much attention to. However, Savery was a first round pick. And while the round in which a player is drafted has no effect on future performance, it absolutely effects a prospects’ status among his peers. Everything Savery does will be magnified and scrutinized, good or bad.

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27. Goldstein just gave Worley a sleeper alert. Said he has 4 average pitches with great command.

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28. With Kendrick getting lit up in Toledo today, looks like Worley is the top starting pitcher stretched out in the organization.

    Mike Drago’s report from the Reading paper:
    “Great command,” Schrenk said when asked for his assessment of the former third-rounder. “Composure. His demeanor on the mound is big league. His command has been major league. He could go with what he has right now, with the command that he has, and do a pretty good job.”
    No matter. Worley showed he could be just as effective with a tantalizing slow curve – he tossed a couple in the 65 mph range – as he is with his 91-92 mph fastball.
    http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=138100

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29. The problem with Savery is his fastball was sitting in the mid to high 80’s and his change up was at 75 when I saw him pitch two starts ago. Only on one batter did I see him topped out at 91 and the next pitch he struck out that batter with a 75 mph change up. If he could keep up his velocity in the low 90’s and mix in his 75 change and low 80’s breaking stuff he could be more effective because he has some separation. On the other hand the reports on Worley yesterday showed he had a 91-92 fast ball to go with a 65 mph change up with great command. Now that is major league seperation.

    Mike Drago in the Reading paper on Worley yesterday:
    He still had some left in the tank at the end, striking out the final batter he faced in the eighth with three straight 91 mph fastballs. He finished with 92 pitches, 67 of them strikes, and fired first-pitch strikes to 22 of the 27 batters he faced.

    “With the command he has right now, the stuff he’s doing, there’s no doubt about it, I think he could go up,” Schrenk said. “He throws enough strikes with the stuff that he has to go up there and do it. His breaking ball has gotten better, and his changeup too. There’s four pretty good pitches.”

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30. Maybe someone can tell me the difference . We are about getting talent out of the draft, okay Savery looks like a bust but taylor looks like a stud. so what is the difference, to me it is how many out of the fifty drafted do you sign and how many make it to the big club with you, or help you in trade to improve, when I first came on here thought at least 10-12 should be big leaguer to be good , but have learned if you get 2-3 that’s a good draft.and if say one is a howard or ultley Hammel type that a great draft. that’s the way I now look at it.

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31. Savery was a risk. If he panned out, he had top 10-15 ability. Doesn’t look that way. However, a similar strategy has netted Cole Hamels and Kyle Drabek. You win some and lose some.

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32. mikemike, it’s HAMELS. One “m”, add an “s”. Please spell the name of World Series MVP correctly.

    One should also look at the success of drafts in terms of trades made with players picked, e.g. drafting Cardenas/Spencer/Outman was a success even if they don’t make the pros because it got us Blanton who was much better than Eaton and helped us win the pennant (mildly debatable point, but please focus on it as an example as opposed to debating Blanton’s contributions last year or other potentialities like promoting Happ instead of trading for Blanton. We made a trade that improved the team, hence we got good return out of those draft picks).

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33. Great reports guys. I think you need to leave Savery alone for awhiule and see if he can improve his control. Let’s not get hung up on the speeed of a FB. Pitching is about control and location combined with reading the hitters and surprising them. If Savery has two good pitches and can learn to throw them both for strikes and then spot a mediocre FB, he can still be effective. I think the comparison to Blanton is a reasonable one. As for Worley, I remain very excited that we have something very good. I would love to hear more about how Zagurski looks and if looks healthy. He was incredibly effective three years ago and if he’s back to that, he can help in Philly today.

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34. Check out how Reading pitching coach Steve Schrenk raved about Worley to The Reading Eagle:
    “He’s been tremendous. Great command,” Schrenk said. “Composure. His demeanor on the mound is big league. His command has been major league. He could go with what he has right now with the command that he has and do a pretty good job.
    “With the command he has right now, the stuff he’s doing, there’s no doubt about it, I think he could go up. He throws enough strikes with the stuff that he has to go up there and do it. His breaking ball has gotten better, and his changeup too. There’s four pretty good pitches.”
    Very cool indeed! Also, notice that Gose yesterday had 4 hits, his 18th steal, and a game saving catch in the 9th.

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35. Will trt to do a better job with my spelling and grammer in the future. I tend to not check after I type and it is a bad habit. I just wish people would take the whole draft and not focus on one mistake. Savery is getting so much ink , its crazy. We got a monster .so far, pick in that draft,{taylor] so all I Tried to point out is long as you get players, where they are drafted shouldn’t matter.

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36. I agree with you. Go look at most 1st round Picks and the majority of them are busts.

    I’m still not giving up on Savery, but he’s definitely low on my Prospect Radar at the moment.

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37. mikemike, I think most people agree with you; I know that I do. Except, this just happened to turn into a discussion about Savery, not the entire ’07 draft. We are not discussing the merits of the Phillies scouting department, or the success/failure of 2007, we are simply talking about Savery and what he needs to do to improve. That is OK too.

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38. neduolcaz there is nothing wrong with that.

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39. If,and i say if,,what position could Savery play,if he became a position player?

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40. The reports on the speeds of Savery’s fastball and curve sound inaccurate. A difference of 15 mph between your fastball and curve, as long as the fastball is in the high 80’s, would be a pretty effective combination. Johan Santana has a difference of ~13-15 mph between his fastball and changeup.

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41. Savery would be a 1B if he was a position player…from what I remember hearing…or maybe a really bad defensive LF.

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42. it becomes tedious that the phils must have a policy about drafting anyone who can hit a legit 95. speed is pretty much the one variable you cannot teach. it is unbelievable i.e. boston can each year move a young guy who throws 95 into their pitching WHILE THEIR COMPETING. yet some debate when this staff will come around. these guys are throwing bp and happ is nowhere,were seriously not in the market for another ace? to win again this year we are ging to have to deal we have the talent or do we really? harden. may 11 2009.

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43. my big mistake haren not harden. im distraught.

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44. John I feel for ya buddy but one pitcher wont due unless he can pitch every other game

    “whats his name and another day of rain”

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45. Drabek with another solid outing tonight, 5 ip with 5 hits and giving up only 1 run with 5 k’s. Seems like he labored a little bit with his control though, giving up 3 walks. Wonder how many pitches he threw for them to decide to pull him after 5.

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46. nw thanks just a momentary lapse of confidence. but i do believe with hamels and a haren or one more ace with happ and 2 of the other guys coming around they can win this thing going away. but if these guys dont come around bring up a worley. its not like its never been done before. rollins HAS to come around but if i had to bet nw i,d put my money on a big deal. jmo.

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47. I’d take either harden or haren, although i’d prefer haren because he is more likely to stay healthy. I think we all, including myself get a little attached to these guys but they won’t all make it w/the phils unfortunately. Haren would take a lot but would probably be worth it. I think he is under co ntract for a couple more years if i remember correctly. Anyway it would probably take at least 3 or 4 of these guys: marson,donald, stutes,drabek,taylor, brown, worley, carrasco, or knapp or either victorino/werth, happ and one of the above studs. Either way it’s a lot but would have 2 aces. this would be tough to beat especially in the first round.

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48. i would really hate 2 see brown,taylor,worley,drabek be traded i think these guys are potential stars. i’d rather trade all 5 of the remaining to not have to include any of these 4 guys. of course it depends on hoe the other team perceives them and what their needs are.

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49. mikemike- Paul Owens used to say that 1.5 major leaguers per draft was a good job. He was a smart and savvy baseball man who built the best farm system the Phils ever had.

    marky mark: I think that there are other considerations beore we make any trade. The Phils will definitely wait to see whether they have a serious shot at getting back to the World Series before they decide to overpay by trading cheap, high potential talent that does not even need to be on the 40-man yet and will be under their control for 6 years when called up for an overpriced veteran who is either a rental or they may control (i.e.- be stuck with) for a year or more. If it’s the last peice to put them over the top- it’s worth it; but they better be pretty well convinced that this is the case before pulling the trigger.

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50. I think the Phils have a plan and willl not traded much of the cream away for a rental or stud. Myers, Park, Moyer and Blanton will all probably be out of the rotation by next year or 2011 with Worley, Carrasco, Happ and Drabek/Stutes to replace. Werth and Ibanez will be replaced by Taylor and Brown, Ruiz by Marson. All these prospects, assuming everyone stays healthy, will gradually earn a regular spot starting next year allowing the Phils to blend the younger players in with the veterans (who hopefully will never leave) and lower the payroll some. Just my thoughts but I think ….get used to having most of the players listed above by Marky Mark playing in Philly.

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51. I really believe if a Harden or Peavy are on the market, we have the prospects this year to go get them. But do you trade a Brown or Taylor, Drabek, or try to win with what we have and next year ,when Myers is gone, Blanton can be moved, park is gone, try to see if these guys are ready, if you can find say Worley and Drabek and put them in your rotation cheaply, and what we already have we are talking about being good for a while, And by having two young starters, it makes it easier to try to sign Howard long term, with tha added income, I really don’t know the best route. I think the phillies are in a bind on which way to go. It to me is the same type of bind that happen after the series. if they had lost would they have been back into a corner to resign jamie for two years?

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52. No reply on Steve Susdorf–anyone know what is going on with him??

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53. Don’t forget about carrasco he started out great,now he’s getting hit a little,if he learns from this , he still is a stud

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54. I thought the rumor on Susdorf in the Spring was that he possibly retired. Its ashame if he did but then he did have a college degree. Perhaps he got an offer at a more sure thing than minor-league baseball.

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55. Taylor went 1-1 with a HR and 3 walks last night as the DH. If he does have some sort of injury that’s keeping him out of the field, its not affecting his eye or his bat.

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56. Taylor is a manchild and a great guy. Got to meet him last summer while visiting Clearwater. He is huge in stature but can run well also. Heading to Reading in 2 weeks–he better be playing.

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57. Great Report !
    Tx

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58. “Dave Ryley Says:
    May 12, 2009 at 6:49 am
    No reply on Steve Susdorf–anyone know what is going on with him??”

    A coach in spring training told me he was hurt; some sort of an upper leg/hip injury. Don’t know if that report was accurate, but retirements are usually listed.

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59. In Bastardo’s last two starts in 11.1 innings he has given up 5 hits, one run, three walks and struck out 17 including 12 swinging punch outs.

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60. I have been a bastardo fan for a while for one simple reason…he makes people swing and miss. he has throughout his career at a very high rate. i really don’t understand how people can continually rate him low on our top prospect lists. James made him our 21st best prospect. far below a guy like joe savery who has never shown an ability to make people swing and miss. i guess it just comes down to philosophy. i place a lot more emphasis on results than i do on scouting “tools” or pedigree. i have seen varied reports on bastardo’s stuff. some good and some not so good. but there must be something that the weaker reports are missing. my guesss is that he has late movement that makes him hard to hit. and late movement is much more important than hitting 94 mph. my fustration with a lot of these scouting services is that they seem to give a cursury view of prospects. almost like they have a check list and if a prospect checks a certain box, he grades to a certain level. maybe it is because they are a small staff and cover the entire milb. but quality is more important than quantity.

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61. My interest in Phillies baseball began in 1964 when I was 9 years old. ( you can do the math if you like) Lost amid the rubble of that ill-fated season, it also marked the beginning of the professional career of pitcher Rick Wise, known forever as the bait in the best Phillies trade ever. ( He begat Steve Carlton)
    I mention this now because I see many similarities between him and R-Phils pitcher Vance Worley. They both stand 6’2″ tall and weigh about 200 pounds. They both wear glasses and throw/ threw right-handed with above average velocity and control. Their path to the majors will be different but I see a solid #2 or 3 starter slot for him in the near future. Anyone with remembrances of Rick Wise who would like to continue my comparison is encouraged to respond. Thanks for a great site,James.

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62. Went and saw these guys in Erie last night. Was quite impressed with Bastardo last night, he seemed to be on top of his game. 10 K’s It was unfortuante Zagurski took the loss, but he didn’t look much like the pitchers we saw at the end of 2007 last night. He didnt look much better then when i saw him in Batavia in 2005. Although hes making the comeback, he could still end up being a nice piece of our pen at some point.

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63. thanks for the report, Joe, that kind of stuff is great for us out-of-towners.

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64. Michael Taylor has driven in 9 of the team’s last 14 runs. That’s both impressive for Taylor and pathetic for the rest of the team.

    – Jeff

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65. I never saw MT in person but looking at his pix he also seems thin certainly not much fat on him. comments??

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66. haren,peavy,cain,oswalt,buckholtz. think of 2 these guys in our rotation with hamels happ and worley. bastardo. if our prospects are as good as we think it can be done. unfornuately if we do nothing 2009 will be lost. we can not wait for 2010. follow the red sox model.

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67. john from philly ne. It scares me to think what they would give up for haren or peavy. If they gave up cardenas, outman and spencer for Joe Blanton, Blanton is a human hitting machine. I think for those two they might have to give up the farm , taylor, worley stutes donald, marson. Because teams will say you gave up a major league ready starter , a top second base prospect who is only 21 and a power hitting college outfield, for a guy who is no where near what we are offering you, comparing haren or peavy to blanton is a insult. not in the same league.

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68. I don’t think its reasonable to go after each those three (the price we would have to pay for jut one would be immense enough), that being said, if the pitching continues to struggle late into june/july, and the d-backs keep struggling and the padres continue to struggle, I may consider targeting one of either haren or peavy and sacrifice maybe 3 of the top prospects. But once again I’m willing to wait it out and give this pitching a chance to right the ship….I’m still a believer in J.A. Happ and would want him to get a fair shake before resorting to anything drastic

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69. John from philly ne

    i would not want to trade for cain or buckholtz for much of anything. cain is actually overrated, and buckholtz is very risky. they still would both take to much to get, and the return on them would not equal what we lost, or get us into the playoffs. especially buckholtz.

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70. haren is by far my top choice and i would pay what it takes. i.e. drabek brown and marson. without a seconds thought. one question does anyone think we can win with this rotation? if they have the guts to move worley drabek and stutes up maybe well find we have an ace in our system, but no we might hurt jamies feelings. give me a break and im already including happ. as far as cain how about carrasco,myers and mayberry. thats not too much. mikemike nobody would give up that much dont worry. frozen how long will you wait til were 20 games out. just look at moyer and blanton pitch its batting practice. you still win with pitching.

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71. Taylor is not only tall but thick. I wouldn’t consider him to be skinny at all (unless he lost a lot of weight since last summer).

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72. nyphilsmaniac I wonder what Mt’s ration of muscle to body fat It cant be much. I hope to see him in philly next year. He could get some games.

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73. Dominic Brown is untouchable in my mind.

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74. It was been stated that all the Phils need is average pitcher.
    I would empty out the minors before I would trade for a player who becomes a burden(see Blanton)

    Ps. I have previously stated they overpaid years for Raul. In fact what i meant to say is the underpaid. lol Who knew?
    I quess Ruben did.

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75. I never saw Raul play and from what I read and saw in his stats. didn’t think he was that much better or worse than pat,

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76. and now what do you think Mike

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77. Personally I dont think much of seattle management team.
    so maybe they held him back somehow.

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