Phillies Discussion 11/21/2024 and LISTS!!!

November 21, 2024Other Stuffjimpeyton19

This is your current Phillies Discussion.

In addition, in lieu of rumors, I give you a rather lengthy article on Baseball’s lists. It is presented in 3 parts – a short thumbnail, a dumb-downed explanation of the MLR, and the actual MLR. Later, I intend to extract the Lists portion and include it up on the menu.

All your normal discussion is still welcome – Phillies talk, baseball talk, and the non-Phillies/baseball talk at which I turn a blind eye.

One Soto comment. I told you that the Phillies would surface as a suitor. Hah, at all the experts that didn’t include them among their dozen interested teams two weeks ago. Baseball insiders my butt.

And, now to the lists.

Major League Baseball has lists on which to separate its players. The lists are many and varied. They differentiate between major league and minor league, domestic and international, healthy and injured, and much more.

Below is a quick and hopefully easy breakdown of the lists and their restrictions. Followed by a longer, wordier description of Major League Rule 2, Player Limits. Followed by the actual MLR.

1.) The quick breakdown of Major League Rule 2, Player Limits.

LISTS AND LIMITS

	Limits	Minimum	Can Be Reinstated After	Counts Against Active List	Counts Against Reserve List	Counts Against Domestic Reserve
RESERVE LIST LIMITS
MAJOR LEAGUE	40	n/a	n/a	—–	—–	—–
DOMESTIC (in season)	165	n/a	n/a	—–	—–	—–
DOMESTIC (off season)	175	n/a	n/a	—–	—–	—–
AAA	38	n/a	n/a	—–	—–	—–
INTERNATIONAL (per team)	35	n/a	n/a	—–	—–	—–
ACTIVE LISTS
MAJOR LEAGUE INJURED LIST
7-day IL	none	7 days	7 days	no	yes	—–
10-day IL	none	10 days	10 days	no	yes	—–
15-day IL	none	15 days	15 days	no	yes	—–
60-day IL	none	60 days	60 days	no	no	—–
MAJOR LEAGUE BEREAVEMENT LIST	none	3 days	7 days	no	yes	—–
MAJOR LEAGUE FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY LIST	none	3 days	7 days	no	yes	—–
MAJOR LEAGUE PATERNITY LEAVE LIST	none	1 day	3 days	no	yes	—–
SUSPENDED LIST
by Club	none	n/a	n/a	no	no	no
by Commissioner	none	n/a	n/a	yes	yes	yes
RESTRICTED LIST	none	n/a	2-year	no	no	no
DISQUALIFIED LIST	none	n/a	2-year	no	no	no
INELIGIBLE LIST	none	n/a	Indefinite	no	no	—–
VOLUNTARILY RETIRED LIST	none	n/a	60 days	no	no	—–
MILITARY LIST	none	n/a	n/a	no	no	—–
MINOR LEAGUE INJURED LIST
7-day IL	none	7 days	n/a	no	yes	yes
60-day IL	15	60 days	n/a	no	no	no
Full-Season	none	n/a	end of season	no	no	no
DEVELOPMENT LIST	none	7 days	n/a	yes	yes	yes
TEMPORARILY INACTIVE LIST NEGOTIATION LIST	none none	3 days none	n/a n/a	—– no	—– no	—– no

2.) The wordier description of Major League Rule 2, Player Limits in what I hope is in language that is easier to understand with a lot of the extraneous stuff edited out.

MAJOR LEAGUE RULES – DEFINITIONS

Major League Reserve List – a list that each Major League Club must file with the commissioner’s office and maintain. It must include all players, player-managers, and player-coaches with whom the Major League Club has entered into a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract (unless a player has been outrighted to a Minor League Club) and players whom the Club has promoted to the Major League team and also must be tendered Major League Uniform Player’s Contracts.

Minor League Reserve List – a list that each Major League Club must file with the commissioner’s office and maintain. It must include all players, player-managers and player-coaches with whom a Major or Minor League Club has entered into a Minor League Uniform Player Contracts, including players under Major League Uniform Player’s Contracts who have been assigned outright to Minor League Clubs.

Domestic Reserve List – a list filed that includes all players, player-managers and player-coaches with whom a Major League Club has entered into a Minor League Uniform Player Contracts who are assigned to domestic Minor League affiliates. From the earliest opening day of the Minor League season through 5:00 pm ET on the 5th day after the World Series, the Domestic Reserve List will include players under Major League Uniform Player’s Contracts who have been assigned on option to a Minor League Club.

Major League Active List – a list filed that includes all players, player-managers and player-coaches who are currently eligible to play in a game for that Major League Club.

Minor League Active List -a list filed that includes all players, player-managers and player-coaches who are currently eligible to play in a game for that Minor League Club.

Inactive Lists – shall refer to:

(1) a Major League Club has lists for Injured, Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency, Paternity Leave, Suspended, Voluntarily Retired, Restricted, Disqualified and Ineligible; and

(2) a Minor League Club has lists for Injured, Development, Suspended, Voluntarily Retired, Restricted, Disqualified, Ineligible and Temporarily Inactive Lists.

MAJOR LEAGUE RULES – Rule 1 – RESERVE LIMITS

RESERVE LIST.

FILING: Major League Club must file their Reserve Lists with the Commissioner’ office no later than November 20th or a date designated by the Commissioner no later than November 20th.

A Major League Club must tender Major League Uniform Player’s Contracts for the following season to players (not already under contract or under team control) on the major League Reserve List after the conclusion of the season by December 2nd. A non-tender grants the player free agent status.

A Major League Club must file a separate Minor League Reserve List for each Minor League affiliate that it owns, all or in part, in which it wants to reserve Minor League players.

MAINTENANCE AND CHANGES: The Commissioner’s office will maintain and update the Reserve Lists filed by each Major League Club. The Commissioner’s office will record every transaction or player transfer and will make them available electronically to all Major League Clubs. Major League Clubs will immediately notify the Commissioner’s office of changes to their Reserve Lists.

These Reserve List changes will not take effect until approved by the Commissioner’s office.

Minor League Reserve Lists may not be amended during the period between the latest date designated by the Commissioner for filing Minor League Reserve Lists (usually November 20th) and the conclusion of the Rule 5 Selection Meeting (the conclusion of the Rule 5 draft). (Exceptions: outright assignments from the Major League Reserve List in accordance with Rule 6 (Assignment of Player Contracts), outright assignments of players not subject to selection at the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting, the addition of players signed as Major League or Minor League free agents, or releases for the purpose of permitting players to sign a bona fide contract as a foreign professional, Minor League Reserve Lists may not be amended during the period between the latest date designated by the Commissioner for filing Minor League Reserve Lists and the conclusion of the Rule 5 Selection Meeting.

EFFECT OF PLACEMENT ON RESERVE LIST: No player on a Reserve List filed by a Major League Club shall be eligible to play or negotiate with any other Major League or Minor League Club until the player is removed from the Reserve List because the player’s contract has been terminated or assigned.

MAJOR LEAGUE RULES – Rule 2 – PLAYER LIMITS

RESERVED LIST LIMITS. A Major/Minor League Reserve List may contain more than the maximum number of players if the additional players are on a List (Restricted, Disqualified, Ineligible, Voluntary Retired, or Military) that does not count against the Reserve List limits.

A Major League Club may place a maximum number of:

40 players on its Major League Reserve List
165 players on its Domestic Reserve List
- from the earliest Opening Day of the Minor League season until 5 P.M. ET on the fifth day following last game of the World Series
175 players on its Domestic Reserve List
- from 5 P.M. ET on the fifth day following the last game of the World Series until the earliest Opening Day of the next Minor League season
38 players from the Domestic Reserve List on its AAA Reserve List through the conclusion of the Rule 5 Draft
35 players on its International Rookie Reserve List for each International Rookie classification Club that it fielded during the previous season

A player who signs a first-year Minor League contract shall be excluded from the Minor League player limits of the signing Major League Club until 15 days have elapsed from the date of the contract or when the player has appeared in a game, whichever occurs first.

A player who signs a Minor League contract following the player’s selection at the First-Year Player Draft shall be excluded from the Minor League player limits of the signing Major League Club until the day following the conclusion of the current year’s Major League season or when the player has appeared in a game, whichever occurs first.

ACTIVE LISTS.

MAJOR LEAGUE CLUB ACTIVE LIST.

From Opening Day through August 31 and during postseason games, the minimum number of players on an Active List shall be 25, and the maximum number of players shall be 26. Clubs may carry a maximum of 13 pitchers on the Active List during this period.

Prior to September 1, a Major League Club may expand its 26-man Active Roster to 27 players for any split or regular doubleheader (including double-headers in which the first game is a continuation of a suspended game) that is contained in the regular season schedule or created to reschedule games, as follows:

From September 1 through the end of the regular season, all Major League Clubs must carry 28 players on their Active List. Clubs may carry a maximum of 14 pitchers on the Active List during this period.

MINOR LEAGUE CLUB ACTIVE LISTS.

The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Class AAA Club shall be 28.
The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Class AA Club shall be 28.
The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Class High-A Club shall be 30.
The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Low-A Club shall be 30.
The maximum number of players on the Active List of an International Rookie League Club shall be 35.

There shall be no maximum number of players on the Active List of any Spring Training Complex League team. All players assigned to the Spring Training Complex may participate in game activity.

INACTIVE LISTS.

MAJOR LEAGUE INJURED LIST. The Major League Injured Lists shall consist of 7-day, 10-day, 15-day and 60-day lists, which shall be the minimum period of inactivity for a player placed on such a list:

Position players are eligible for placement on the 10-day list
Pitchers are eligible for placement on the 15-day list
Two-Way players qualify as pitchers
A player is only eligible for the 7-day list if he has suffered an acute concussion
A player may be transferred from the 7-day list to the 10-day list or 15-day list, or from the 7-day, 10-day or 15-day lists to the 60-day list
There is no limit on the number of players placed on any Major League Injured List
players on the 7-day IL count against the Reserve List, but not against the Active List
players on the 10-day IL count against the Reserve List, but not against the Active List
players on the 15-day IL count against the Reserve List, but not against the Active List
players on the 60-day IL do not count against either the Reserve List or Active List

After the conclusion of the season,

a player may not be placed on the 7-day Injured List earlier than the fourth day before the start of the next season
a player may not be placed on the 10-day or 15-day Injured List earlier than the third day before the start of the next season
a player may not be placed on the 60-day Injured List earlier than the first date that Clubs may invite injured players, pitchers and catchers to attend spring training workouts
players placed on or transferred to the 60-day Injured List prior to the start of the season may not be reinstated until 60 days of the season have elapsed
except for players on the 60-day Injured List, all players on the Injured List must be removed from the Injured List on or before the day following the conclusion of the season
Clubs must remove all players from the 60-day Injured List no later than the fifth day following the last game of the World Series

A Major League player on a rehabilitation assignment shall not count against the Active List limit of either the Major or the Minor League Club to which the player is assigned, nor the Domestic Reserve List limit, but shall continue to count against the Reserve List limit for the Major League Reserve List unless the player is on the 60-day Injured List.

MAJOR LEAGUE BEREAVEMENT/FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY LIST. A player may be placed on this list if the player is unable to render services because of illness or death of a member of a player’s or spouse’s immediate family (e.g., spouse, parent, grandparent, sibling, child or grandchild).

minimum time three days
maximum time seven days
does not count against the Active List
counts against the Reserve List
cannot be on the list after the conclusion of the season

MAJOR LEAGUE PATERNITY LEAVE LIST. A player may be placed on this list when he is the father of a child whose delivery/adoption is imminent or occurred within the prior 48 hours

minimum time one day
maximum time three days
does not count against the Active List
counts against the Reserve List
cannot be on the list after the conclusion of the season

SUSPENDED LIST. A player may be placed on the suspended list for –

MISCONDUCT OR INSUBORDINATION.
- A Club may suspend a player that is under a Major/Minor League Uniform Player Contract (UPC) for insubordination or other misconduct or for violation by the player of any regulation or other provision of the player’s contract. The Club may impose a fine or may suspend the player without salary, or both.
- The Commissioner may discipline a player for misconduct or violation by the player of any applicable rules and regulations. Such discipline may include a fine and/or suspension.
PLAYER NOT IN CONDITION. A player under a Major/Minor League UPC who fails to get into playing condition within 60 days after the commencement of the training season of the player’s Club may be suspended without pay until the player is in condition to play.

A player placed on the Suspended List by his Major or Minor League Club

does not count against the Active List
does not against the Reserve List
does not count against the Domestic Reserve List limit

A player placed on the Suspended List by the Commissioner

counts against the Active List
counts against the Reserve List
counts against the Domestic Reserve List limit

RESTRICTED LIST. A player may be placed on the Restricted List for –

Failure to report. Before the start of the season but not before January 1, a player who has given the Club written or electronic notification that he will not report until 30 days or more after the opening of the season.
The Commissioner may place on a Major or Minor League Reserve List a player whose Club certifies that unusual circumstances exist.
Players on the Restricted List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract who has been reserved for two consecutive years on the Restricted List shall be omitted from further Reserve Lists and shall not be eligible to play until the player is first reinstated.

A player on the Restricted List may be reserved as such for two consecutive years. At the expiration of that two-year period, the player need not be reported on the player’s Major or Minor League Club’s annual Reserve List and will automatically be transferred to a General Restricted List.

DISQUALIFIED LIST. A player who violates a contract may be placed on this list.

does not count against the Active List
does not against the Reserve List
does not count against the Domestic Reserve List limit

A player on the Disqualified List may be reserved as such for two consecutive years. At the expiration of that two-year period, the player need not be reported on the player’s Major or Minor League Club’s annual Reserve List and will automatically be transferred to a General Disqualified List.

INELIGIBLE LIST. A player or other person found guilty of misconduct or other acts mentioned in Rule 21, or convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude, may be placed on the “Ineligible List” by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. A player or other person on the Ineligible List shall not be eligible to play or associate with any Major or Minor League Club.

Players on the Ineligible List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits.

VOLUNTARILY RETIRED LIST. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or a Minor League Uniform Player Contract who desires to retire from the profession shall

make written application to the player’s Major League Club, stating fully the player’s reasons for retiring.
The Major League Club shall forward the application and the Club’s recommendation to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.
If the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee deems it proper to do so, the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may grant an application for voluntary retirement upon the conditions set forth in this Rule 2(c)(9) and upon such other terms and conditions as the facts and circumstances may warrant, in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.
However, no player shall be reinstated within 60 calendar days of the championship season or seasons from the date that the player filed the application for voluntary retirement with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

If a voluntarily retired player, during the player’s retirement, shall desire to play baseball for hire, otherwise than for the Major League Club entitled to the player’s services, the player shall first obtain written consent of the player’s Club. The player then must file an application with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee requesting permission to play otherwise than for the Major League Club to which the player is under contract. The player’s application shall specify the teams with and against which the player desires to play, and their locations, and shall be transmitted with the player’s Club’s consent to the Commissioner for approval or denial.

Players on the Voluntarily Retired List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits.

MILITARY LIST. Players under reserve to Major or Minor League Clubs may be placed on the Military List.

A player on the Military List shall not count against any Reserve List or Active List.
A Player on the Military List must be reinstated before the player can be released unconditionally.

MINOR LEAGUE INJURED LIST. If a Minor League Player is unable to render services because of injury, the player may be placed on the Injured List for that Minor League Club. The two lists a Minor League player may be placed on during the championship season are:

Regular Injured List. Minimum period of placement on a Minor League Injured List is seven consecutive days.
Minor League 60-Day Injured List. No player may be placed on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List until the player has spent at least five days in a roster status where that player is counting against a Domestic Reserve List limit of a Club. Placement requires pre-approval from the Office of the Commissioner. The minimum period of placement on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall be 60 consecutive days. Days spent on the Regular Injured List prior to a transfer to the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall count towards the required minimum period of inactivity. Players placed on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List may remain on such list until the 5th day following the conclusion of the World Series.
Minor League Full-Season Injured List.

A player on a Regular Minor League Injured List shall count against the player’s Minor League Club’s Reserve List limit but not against the Club’s Active List limit. A player assigned on rehabilitation while on the Injured List shall count towards the Reserve List limit of the assignor Club and shall not count against the player limits of the assignee Club. A player on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall not count against either a Minor League Club’s Active or Reserve List limit or a Club’s Domestic Reserve List limit.

DEVELOPMENT LIST. A Minor League player may be placed on the Development List for any non-disciplinary reason.

The minimum period of placement on the Development List shall be seven
A player on the Development List shall count against the player’s Minor League Club’s Reserve List and the Domestic Reserve List limit but not against the Club’s Active List.

TEMPORARILY INACTIVE LIST. If a Minor League player is not in position to render active service to the player’s Club due to any of the following:

necessary temporary absence during the playing season on account of a family member’s bona-fide illness
absence excused by the Club and approved by the Commissioner’s Office
the player not being in condition to render services as a result of an absence described in the MLR
awaiting completion of the player’s unconditional release for the purpose of allowing the player to sign with a club in a foreign league

A Player may not be placed on the Temporarily Inactive List prior to the start of the season.

The minimum period of placement on the Temporarily Inactive List shall be three days
Temporarily Inactive players shall not be counted on a Minor League Club’s Active List, but the player shall be included in the Reserve List limit.

Not a list but, CONTRACTS SIGNED FOR FUTURE SERVICES. No Major League Club may sign an eligible player if the player has no previous Major or Minor League experience and if the contract is for services to commence after the current calendar year, except for military personnel as provided for in the MLR.

Negotiation List. Another list not mentioned in this section of the MLR is the Negotiation List. It is a temporary list that comes into existence for each team during the Rule 4 Amateur Draft and stays in existence until all deadlines are met.

Essentially, the list comes into being for the placement of a club’s draft selections during the Rule 4 Draft. Draft picks stay on the list until removed for various reasons, some of which are:

the draft pick signs a minor league contract
the draft pick is removed due to ineligibility
the draft pick is removed because the club’s Negotiation Right has been revoked
the Signing Deadline for the First-Year Player Draft has passed for draft picks who have not utilized all of their college eligibility
the start of the next year’s Closed Period (12:01 a.m. ET of the seventh day prior to the start of a First-Year Player Draft and concluding with the beginning of the First-Year Player Draft) if the draft pick has used all of his college eligibility.

Players on the Negotiation List shall not count against any player limits.

A player who signs a Minor League contract following his selection at the First-Year Player Draft shall be excluded from the Minor League under control limits of the signing Major League Club until the day following the conclusion of the current year’s Major League championship season or when the player has appeared in a championship season game, whichever occurs first.

A player who does not sign a Minor League contract before being removed from the selecting Club’s Negotiation List, shall be subject to selection at the next First-Year Player Draft at which the player is eligible for selection. A selected player who does not sign may not be selected by the same Major League Club at any subsequent First-Year Player Draft unless the player has notified the Commissioner in writing that the player has no objection to such re-selection.

A player who is not selected may be signed to a Minor League contract by any Major League or Minor League Club after the conclusion of the First-Year Player Draft. Such player shall remain eligible for signing until the start of the next Closed Period, unless such player becomes ineligible to sign at an earlier date by operation of the applicable High School, College or Junior College Rule.

3.) The actual Major League Rule 2, Player Limits in its original form.

MAJOR LEAGUE RULES

Rule 2

PLAYER LIMITS

(a) RESERVED LIST LIMITS.

(1) A Major or Minor League Reserve List may contain more than the maximum number of players if the additional players are on a List (Restricted, Disqualified, Ineligible, Voluntary Retired, or Military) that does not count against the Reserve List limits or these Rules otherwise provide that such additional players in excess of the maximum number may be placed on a Major or Minor League Reserve List. See Rule 2(a)(4) (First-Year Minor Contract), 2(c)(1)(F) (Major League Injured List; Player Limits), Rule 2(c)(4)(D) (Suspended List; Player Limits), Rule 2(c)(11)(B) (Minor League Injured List; Player Limits) and Rule 2(c)(13) (Players Signed for Future Services).

(2) Major League Club Limits. A Major League Club may place a maximum number of

(A) 40 players on its Major League Reserve List;

(B) 180 players on its Domestic Reserve List from the earliest Opening Day of the Minor League season until 5 P.M. ET on the fifth day following the day that the last game of the World Series starts;

(C) 190 players on its Domestic Reserve List from 5 P.M. ET on the fifth day following the day that the last game of the World Series starts until the earliest Opening Day of the subsequent Minor League season;

(D) 38 players from the Domestic Reserve List on its AAA Reserve List pursuant to Rule 1(a) through the conclusion of the Major League Rule 5 Draft;

(E) 35 players on its International Rookie Reserve List for each International Rookie classification Club that it owned or with which it had a PDL during the previous season. In the event that a Club exceeds the Domestic Reserve List limit (190 or 180), the Club shall have 48 hours from the time of the transaction or signing that causes the Club to exceed the limit, to adhere to the Domestic Reserve List limit.

(F) If two or more Major League Clubs were affiliated with a single Minor League Club during the previous season, those Major League Clubs may place additional players on their Minor League Reserve Lists for the shared Minor League Club’s classification. The number of players so reserved by each Major League Club sharing an affiliate, however, shall not cause each Major League Club to exceed the total number of players that each Major League Club had placed on the Active and Inactive Lists of the shared Minor League Club (if an International Rookie Club) as of the last day of the most recently concluded championship season, or the total number of players that each Major League Club is permitted to reserve under the Domestic Reserve List.

(3) A player who signs a first-year Minor League contract for the current season with a Major League Club shall be excluded from the Minor League under control limits of the signing Major League Club until 15 days have elapsed from the date of the contract or when the player has appeared in a championship season game, whichever occurs first. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a player who signs a Minor League contract with a Major League Club following the player’s selection at the First-Year Player Draft shall be excluded from the Minor League under control limits of the signing Major League Club until the day following the conclusion of the current year’s Major League championship season or when the player has appeared in a championship season game, whichever occurs first (see MLR 4(g)).

(b) ACTIVE LISTS.

(1) FILING AND MAINTENANCE. Each Major League Club must file and maintain an Active List with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee for the Major League Club itself and for all Minor League Clubs that it owns or with which it is affiliated. The Active List of a Minor League Club owned by a Major League Club or affiliated with a Major League Club pursuant to a PDL may include only players who are reserved to and under Major League Uniform Player’s Contracts or Minor League Uniform Player Contracts with such Major League Club.

An Active List must include all players who are currently eligible to play in a championship season game for the Major League or the Minor League Club for which the list was filed. All Major League Active Lists must be filed by such time or times on the opening date of the Major League championship season as the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may set forth, provided, however, that any such filing time shall be no later than one hour before the scheduled start of the first game of the championship season on such opening date. All Minor League Active lists must be filed by the opening date of the championship season of the Minor League Club to which the list applies.

An optioned player who has been recalled shall be counted against the Major League Active List in accordance with Article XV(E)(3) of the Basic Agreement.

For purposes of applying the limits in Rule 2(b), a player-manager or player-coach shall be considered an active player.

(2) MAJOR LEAGUE CLUB ACTIVE LIST.

(A) From Opening Day through August 31 of the championship season and during postseason games, the minimum number of players who may be placed on an Active List for a Major League Club shall be 25, and the maximum number of players who may be placed on an Active List for a Major League Club shall be 26. Major League Clubs may carry a maximum of 13 pitchers on the Active List during this period.

(i) The additional roster spot is not available in the first game of a doubleheader that is scheduled as a result of a postponed game earlier in the same series if the rescheduled game takes place the day following the announcement to reschedule the postponed game, unless both Clubs agree that the additional roster spot will be available for the first game within one hour following the notice of postponement. Regardless, the additional roster spot is available in the second game of a doubleheader.

(ii) The additional roster spot shall not be available in the continuation of a suspended game.

(iii) A player added to the 26-man Active Roster for these purposes must be on the 40-man Roster (or reinstated from a Major League Inactive List in accordance with the applicable Rule), and, except as set forth in Rule 2(b)(2)(A)(i) and (ii) above, will be eligible to play in both scheduled games of the doubleheader (such player will be referred to as the “27th Player”). If a Club adds more than one player to the Active Roster, and one of the players is added pursuant to this Rule 2(b)(2)(A),it must identify the 27th Player at the time he is added to the roster.

(iv) Any Club that expands its roster for these purposes must return to a 26-man Active Roster immediately after the conclusion of the second game (i.e., a post-game roster adjustment). The recall and waiver requirements and limitations contained in these Rules shall not apply to the 27th Player if returned to his previous Minor League Club for these purposes. Moreover, a player’s addition to the 26-man Active roster for these purposes shall not affect the expiration of any 10-day or 15-day period that may be required by Rule 7(b)(1). The return of the player to his previous Minor League Club shall not be considered an assignment (i.e., to a Minor League Club, an optional assignment under these Rules, or otherwise). A Club may return to a 26-man Active Roster by removing a player other than the 27th Player only if the Club’s addition of the 27th Player complied with all applicable Rules and the Basic Agreement, and the Club’s subsequent removal of the other player from its roster complied with all applicable Rules and the Basic Agreement (and both of those transactions will not be covered by the exception created by this Rule 2(b)(2)(A)).

(v) The 27th Player shall be paid one day of Major League salary and shall receive one day of Major League service. Such day shall not be counted for purposes of counting days on option pursuant to the Articles XIX(E) and XXI(B) of the Basic Agreement or Rule 7(c).

(vi) The addition of the 27th Player must be consistent with the Prohibition on Taxi Squads contained in Article XV(E)(3) of the Basic Agreement.

(vii) A Club’s addition of the 27th Player pursuant to this Rule 2(b)(2)(A) is not intended to preclude a Club from making other player transactions that are permissible under these Rules or the Basic Agreement.

(viii) The 27th Player shall not count toward the maximum of 13 pitchers permitted on the Active List.

(B) From September 1 through the end of the championship season (including any tiebreaker games), all Major League Clubs must carry 28 players on the Active List. Major League Clubs may carry a maximum of 14 pitchers on the Active List during this period.

(C) Except for Two-Way players described in Rule 2(b)(2)(D) below, Major League Clubs must designate each player on the Active Roster as either a pitcher or a position player before each player’s first day on the Active Roster for a given season. That designation (pitcher or position player) will remain in effect for that player, and cannot change, for the remainder of that championship season and postseason.

(D) Two-Way Players.

(i) Players who qualify as Two-Way players may appear as pitchers during a game without counting toward a Club’s pitcher limitations.

(ii) A player will qualify as a “Two-Way player” only if he fully meets both of the following criteria in any one of the 2020 or 2021 championship seasons:

(aa) at least 20 Major League innings pitched; and

(bb) at least 20 Major League games started as a position player or designated hitter with at least three plate appearances in each of those games.

(iii) In order for a qualified player to appear in a championship season or postseason game as a Two-Way player, the Club must designate that player in advance of that game. Once a Club designates a qualified player as a Two-Way player, that designation will remain in effect for that player, and cannot change, for the remainder of that championship season and postseason.

(iv) No player on the Active Roster other than those designated as Two-Way players or pitchers by the Club may appear in a championship season or postseason game as a pitcher, except that any player may appear as a pitcher following the 9th inning of an extra inning game, or in any game in which his team is losing or winning by equal to or more than 6 runs when the player enters as a pitcher; provided, however, that the 27th Player shall not count toward the maximum of 13 pitchers permitted on the Active List.

(E) With the exceptions of unconditional releases, designations for assignment, and assignments of a Major League contract to another Major League Club, Clubs may not change their Active Lists once a game has commenced, unless the game is suspended (in which case Clubs may change their Active Lists prior to the resumption of the game).

(3) MINOR LEAGUE CLUB ACTIVE LISTS.

(A) The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Class AAA Club shall be 28.

(B) The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Class AA Club shall be 28.

(C) The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Class High-A Club shall be 30.

(D) The maximum number of players on the Active List of a Low-A Club shall be 30.

(E) The maximum number of players on the Active List of an International Rookie League Club shall be 35.

(F) There shall be no maximum number of players on the Active List of any Spring Training Complex League team. All players assigned to the Spring Training Complex may participate in game activity, provided players on any Inactive List may not participate in game activity without prior approval from the Commissioner’s Office.

(c) INACTIVE LISTS.

(1) MAJOR LEAGUE INJURED LIST. Upon appropriate application to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee, a Major League Club may request that a player on its Major League Active List, who is unable to render services because of a specific injury or ailment, be placed on one of the Injured Lists set forth in this Rule 2(c)(1).

(A) Lists. The Major League Injured Lists shall consist of 7-day, 10-day, 15-day and 60-day lists, which shall be the minimum period of inactivity for a player placed on such a list, as follows:

(i) 10-day, 15-day and 60-day lists. Only position players are eligible for placement on the 10-day list, and only pitchers are eligible for placement on the 15-day list. Two-Way players (as defined in Rule 2(b)(2)(D)) shall qualify as pitchers for purposes of this Rule 2(c)(1). The application for placement on the 10-day, 15-day or 60-day list shall be accompanied by a Standard Form of Diagnosis completed by the Major League Club physician, and a copy of this completed form shall be given to the player. At the time of the request, the player’s Club must designate the specific list on which the player is to be placed. The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may approve such requests after having received the Standard Form of Diagnosis.

(ii) 7-day list. A player is only eligible for the 7-day list if he has suffered an acute concussion. The application for placement on the 7-day list shall be documented through an Event Form in the Electronic Medical Records System and accompanied by a concussion-specific Standard Form of Diagnosis, signed by the home or visiting Club physician and the home Club head certified athletic trainer. The completed diagnostic form and supporting information must be submitted to the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association prior to the player’s placement on the 7-day list. A copy of the completed diagnostic form also shall be given to the player. Upon submission of the diagnostic form to the Commissioner’s Office, Major League Baseball’s Medical Director will review the form and any available supporting information, and, if appropriate, approve the placement of the player on the 7-day list.

(B) Transfers. Subject to the restrictions above, a player may be transferred from the 7-day list to the 10-day list (position player) or 15-day list (pitcher), or from the 7-day, 10-day or 15-day lists to the 60-day list. A position player on the 7-day list who is recertified after the initial 7-day list placement shall automatically be transferred to the 10-day list in the event the player is not able to return to play after an initial 9-day period of inactivity. A pitcher on the 7-day list who is recertified after the initial 7-day list placement shall automatically be transferred to the 15-day list in the event the player is not able to return to play after an initial 14-day period of inactivity. Time spent on the 7-day, 10-day or 15-day lists prior to any such transfer shall count towards the 10-day, 15-day or 60-day minimum inactivity periods, whichever is applicable.

(C) Recertifications. The Club physician must complete and submit to the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association the appropriate Standard Form of Diagnosis for Recertification for a player on the 7-day list when the player first becomes eligible for reinstatement to active status. A position player on the 7-day list who is recertified shall automatically, without any additional recertification necessary, be transferred to the 10-day list in the event the player is not able to return to play after an initial 9-day period of inactivity. A pitcher on the 7-day list who is recertified shall automatically, without any additional recertification necessary, be transferred to the 15-day list in the event the player is not able to return to play after an initial 14-day period of inactivity. Except as provided herein, the Club physician must complete and submit the appropriate Standard Form of Diagnosis for Recertification for a player on the 10-day list (15-day list for pitchers) when the player first becomes eligible for reinstatement to active status, and then every 10 days (15-days for pitchers) following the date upon which the player first becomes eligible for reinstatement. No recertification shall be required for players on the 60-day Injured List.

(D) Return to Play. Prior to the reinstatement of a concussed player from any Injured List, and before the player may consent to and undergo an injury rehabilitation pursuant to Rule 6(g), the player’s Club must submit a Return to Play Form and supporting information to the Medical Director and the Players Association.

(E) Disposition of Injured Players. Except as set forth in Rule 6(g) and Article XIX(C) of the Basic Agreement, a Major League Club may not direct, assign or otherwise transfer a player on a Major League Injured List to a Minor League Club.

(F) Player Limits. There shall be no limit on the number of players placed on any Major League Injured List; provided, however, that:

(i) a player may not be placed on or transferred to the 60-day list unless the Major League Reserve List of the player’s Club is at the maximum limit of 40 or the player’s Club adds a player to its Major League Reserve List who otherwise would cause the 40-player Reserve List limit to be exceeded;

(ii) players on the 7-day, 10-day, and 15-day lists shall count against the Reserve List limits, but not against the Active List limits;

(iii) players on the 60-day list shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits;

(iv) after the conclusion of the championship season, a player may not be placed on the 7-day Injured List earlier than the fourth day before the start of the next championship season;

(v) after the conclusion of the championship season, a player may not be placed on the 10-day or 15-day Injured List earlier than the third day before the start of the next championship season;

(vi) after the conclusion of the championship season, a player may not be placed on the 60-day Injured List earlier than the first date that Clubs may invite injured players, pitchers and catchers to attend spring training workouts in accordance with Article XIV(A)(1) of the Basic Agreement;

(vii) players placed on or transferred to the 60-day Injured List prior to the start of the championship season may not be reinstated until 60 days of the championship season have elapsed;

(viii) except for players on the 60-day Injured List, all players on the Injured List must be removed from the Injured List on or before the day following the conclusion of the championship season;

(ix) Clubs must remove all players from the 60-day Injured List no later than the fifth day following the day that the last game of the World Series starts; and

(x) Clubs may not place players on or transfer players to the 60-day Injured List after August 31 unless the Club maintains a complete 40-man Roster. For the effect of the minimum activity period on postseason rosters, see Rule 41(a)(2) (Submission of Rosters). A Major League player on a rehabilitation assignment shall not count against the Active List limit of either the Major or the Minor League Club to which the player is assigned, nor the Domestic Reserve List limit, but shall continue to count against the Reserve List limit for the Major League Reserve List unless the player is on the 60-day Injured List.

(2) MAJOR LEAGUE BEREAVEMENT/FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY LIST.

(A) Placement. Upon written application to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee, a Major League Club may request that a player be placed on the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List. No player may be placed on the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List unless such player is unable to render services because of the serious or severe illness or death of a member of such player’s immediate family (e.g., spouse, parent, grandparent, sibling, child or grandchild) or a member of such player’s spouse’s immediate family. Written notice of placement upon the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List must be given to the player.

(B) Salary and Service. A player on the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List shall be paid salary while on such List. For each day that the player receives salary while on the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List, the player shall receive one day of Major League service.

(C) Duration. The minimum period of placement on the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List shall be three consecutive days and the maximum period of placement shall be seven consecutive days, during which placement the player is not permitted to be with the player’s Club. No assignment of a Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List player shall be permitted until after reinstatement. However, a Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List player may be unconditionally released with the prior approval of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee, or assigned to another Major League Club within the 72-hour window leading up to the period set forth in Rule 6(d)(3). If a player’s absence from the player’s Major League Club continues past the maximum period of Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List placement, the player’s Club may submit written application to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to place the player on the Restricted List. See Rule 2(c)(6) (Restricted List).

(D) Player Limits. A Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List player shall not be counted on a Major League Club’s Active List, but the player shall be included in the Reserve List limit. A player may not be carried on the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List after the conclusion of the championship season.

(3) MAJOR LEAGUE PATERNITY LEAVE LIST.

(A) Placement. Upon written application to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee, a Major League Club may request that a player be placed on the Major League Paternity Leave List. No player may be placed on the List unless that player is the father of a child whose delivery or adoption is imminent or has occurred within the prior 48 hours. Written notice of placement upon the Major League Paternity Leave List must be given to the player.

(B) Salary and Service. A player on the Major League Paternity Leave List shall be paid salary while on such List. For each day that the player receives salary while on the Major League Paternity Leave List, the player shall receive one day of Major League service.

(C) Duration. The minimum period of placement on the Major League Paternity Leave List shall be one day and the maximum period of placement shall be three consecutive days, during which placement the player is not to be permitted to be with the player’s Club. No assignment of a Major League Paternity List player shall be permitted until after reinstatement. However, a Major League Paternity List player may be assigned to another Major League Club within the 72-hour window leading up to the period set forth in Rule 6(d)(3). If a player’s absence from the player’s Major League Club continues past the maximum period of Major League PaternityLeave List placement, the player’s Club may submit written application to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to place the player on the Restricted List, see Rule 2(c)(6) (Restricted List), or, if the player’s absence is as a result of a serious illness or death arising from the delivery of the child, the player’s Club may submit written application to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to transfer the player to the Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List, provided that any time spent on the Paternity Leave List shall count towards the minimum inactivity period. See Rule 2(c)(2).

(D) Player Lists. A Major League Paternity Leave List player shall not be counted on the Major League Club’s Active List, but the player shall be included in the Reserve List limit. A player may not be carried on the Major League Paternity Leave List after the conclusion of the championship season.

(4) SUSPENDED LIST.

(A) MISCONDUCT OR INSUBORDINATION.

(i) Suspension by Club. A Major League Club may suspend a player that it has under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract for insubordination or other misconduct or for violation by the player of any regulation or other provision of the player’s contract. At its discretion, the Major League Club with which the player is under contract may impose a reasonable fine and deduct the amount of the fine from the player’s salary or may suspend the player without salary for a reasonable period, or both. Written notice of the fine, or suspension, or both, and of the reason for the fine and/or suspension shall in every case be given to the player. During the period of suspension, the player shall be ineligible to play with any other Major or Minor League Club.

(ii) Suspension by Commissioner. The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may discipline a player assigned to the Minor Leagues for misconduct or violation by the player of any applicable rules and regulations, including, without limitation, pursuant to any on-field behavior policy promulgated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. Such discipline may include a fine and/or suspension. Written notice of the fine, or suspension, or both, and of the reason for the fine and/or suspension shall in every case be given to the player. During the period of suspension, the player shall be ineligible to play with any other Minor League Club.

(B) PLAYER NOT IN CONDITION. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract who fails to get into playing condition within 60 days after the commencement of the training season of the player’s Club may be suspended without pay until the player is in condition to play.

(C) APPEAL. A player suspended by a Major League Club or the Commissioner for a term longer than 10 days shall have the right to appeal to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may order the player’s reinstatement and afford the player adequate redress if the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee holds that the punishment is excessive or not merited.

(D) PLAYER LIMITS.

(i) Suspension by Club. A player placed on the Suspended List by his Major or Minor League Club shall be excluded from all player limits until the player is reinstated.

(ii) Suspension by League. A player placed on the Suspended List by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee, shall count against both Reserve List and Active List limits.

(E) TENDERS AND RENEWALS. With regard to any player who is on the Suspended List, a Club shall not be obligated to tender or renew a contract until the player is removed from such list and reinstated to active status. If a player is removed from such list during a period beginning on November 22 and extending through the next championship season, the Club shall tender a contract to the player within 10 days following such removal. Thereafter, should the Club and the player agree upon the terms of a new contract within 10 days after the player’s receipt of the tendered contract, the Club shall be obligated, within the next five days, to renew the player’s prior Major League contract, provided, however, that if the tender is made during the period beginning on November 22 and ending on the next March 1, the renewal period shall be as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract. Should a Club fail to tender or renew a contract as provided in this paragraph, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications.

(5) DESIGNATED PLAYERS. When the Active List and/or Reserve List limits of a particular Major League Club have been reached, and the Club desires to acquire, sign, transfer, recall from an optional assignment or reinstate an additional player, notice must first be given to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee of the Club’s intention to release or assign an equal number of players. The player(s) so designated shall be released or their contracts assigned within 7 days after such notice is given, and they shall not be eligible to participate in a championship season game after having been so designated until they are released or assigned to another Major or Minor League Club. No player obtained from a waiver claim award may be designated if such designation would violate Rule 8(g) (Player Limit).

(6) RESTRICTED LIST.

(A) If, without permission from a player’s Major League Club, a player fails, within 10 days of the opening of the player’s Club’s championship season, to report to, or contract with, the player’s Club, the player may be reported by the Club to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee for placement on the “Restricted List.” A player on the Restricted List shall not be eligible to play for any Major or Minor League Club.

(B) Before the start of the championship season but not before January 1, a Major League Club also may report for placement on the Restricted List any player, whether or not under contract for the current season, who has given the Club written or electronic notification that the player will not report until 30 days or more after the opening of the championship season. Requests to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee shall be accompanied by the notification which the Club received from the player.

(C) The Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may place a Major or Minor League Reserve List player on the Restricted List if the player’s Club certifies that unusual circumstances exist.

(D) Except with regard to players with outstanding suspensions that are required to be placed on the Restricted List upon signing with a new Club, Clubs may not report a player for placement on the Restricted List if at the time the Club signed the player the Club knew or should have known that the player would be unavailable to play for or report to the Club during the initial period of such placement.

(E) Player Limits. Players on the Restricted List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract who has been reserved for two consecutive years on the Restricted List shall be omitted from further Reserve Lists and shall not be eligible to play until the player is first reinstated in accordance with Rule 2(c)(6)(K) (Reinstatement of Players). Upon reinstatement, the Major League or Minor League Club to which the player is reserved shall restore the player to the same status that the player had at the time when the player retired or became ineligible.

(F) Salary. A player on the Restricted List (i) shall not be unconditionally released, and (ii) shall not be entitled to salary while on any such list, nor after reinstatement from any such list, until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee approves.

(G) Tenders and Renewals. A Club’s obligations to tender and renew a contract, as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract, shall apply with regard to any player who, at the applicable time, is on the Restricted List. Should a Club fail to so tender or renew a contract, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications, and the player shall be removed from the Restricted List. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a Player who properly has been placed on the Restricted List for a violation of the Joint Drug Program shall be eligible to become a free agent as provided in Article XX of the Basic Agreement, if otherwise qualified as set forth therein, but shall remain on the Restricted List until he completes his suspension.

(H) Reservations. A player on the Restricted List may be reserved as such for two consecutive years. At the expiration of that two-year period, the player need not be reported on the player’s Major or Minor League Club’s annual Reserve List and will automatically be transferred to a General Restricted List.

(I) Promulgation. Whenever a player is placed on the Restricted List, such fact shall be promulgated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to all Major League Clubs in the form of a transaction bulletin.

(J) Assignment. The contract of a player on the Restricted List may be assigned, but the assignee Club shall assume all responsibility for the player’s reporting.

(K) Reinstatement of Players.

(i) Application. Any player on the Restricted List may apply for reinstatement, or to have the player’s status changed, upon the conditions stated in this Rule 2(c)(6). Any Major or Minor League Club having a player on the Restricted List may apply for the player’s reinstatement. Such application shall be filed with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. An application for reinstatement may be granted upon such terms and conditions as the facts may warrant in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. No Major League player on the Restricted List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 to and including October 31, unless the Restricted List placement had followed a Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List placement pursuant to Rule 2(c)(2) (Major League Bereavement/Family Medical Emergency List), had followed a Major League Paternity List Placement pursuant to Rule 2(c)(3) or had been made pursuant to the Major or Minor League Drug Treatment and Prevention Programs, or the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement. No Minor League player on the Restricted List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 until the conclusion of the Minor League championship season and playoffs, unless the Restricted List placement had been made pursuant to the Major or Minor League Drug Treatment and Prevention Programs, or the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement.

(ii) A Restricted List player shall be reinstated immediately upon receipt of application for reinstatement, in writing or by approved electronic means, from the player’s Major League Club.

(iii) Player Limits. A player reinstated from the Restricted List between the mandatory spring training reporting date and the conclusion of the championship season shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club. A player reinstated from such a List between the conclusion of a championship season and the mandatory spring training reporting date shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until the fourteenth calendar day following reinstatement.

(iv) Reinstatement Before Release. A Player on the Restricted List must be reinstated before the player can be released unconditionally.

(7) DISQUALIFIED LIST.

(A) Application. A player who violates a player contract or reservation may be reported to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee for placement on the “Disqualified List.” A player on the Disqualified List shall not be eligible to play with any Major or Minor League Club.

(B) Player Limits. Players on the Disqualified List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract who has been reserved for two consecutive years on the Disqualified List shall be omitted from further Reserve Lists and shall not be eligible to play until the player is first reinstated in accordance with Rule 2(c)(7)(H) (Reinstatement of Players). Upon reinstatement, the Major League or Minor League Club to which the player is reserved shall restore the player to the same status that the player had at the time when the player retired or became ineligible.

(C) Salary. A player on the Disqualified List

(i) shall not be unconditionally released, and

(ii) shall not be entitled to salary while on any such list, nor after reinstatement from any such list, until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee approves otherwise.

(D) Tenders and Renewals.

(i) A Club’s obligations to tender and renew a contract, as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract, shall apply with regard to any player who, at the applicable time, is on the Disqualified List for failure to render the player’s services to the Club. Should a Club fail to so tender or renew a contract, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications, and the player shall be removed from the Disqualified List.

(ii) With regard to any player who is on the Disqualified List for a reason other than stated in Rule 2(c)(7)(D)(i), a Club shall not be obligated to tender or renew a contract until the player is removed from such list and reinstated to active status. If a player is removed from such list during a period beginning on November 22 and extending through the next championship season, the Club shall tender a contract to the player within 10 days following such removal. Thereafter, should the Club and the player agree upon the terms of a new contract within 10 days after the player’s receipt of the tendered contract, the Club shall be obligated, within the next five days, to renew the player’s prior Major League contract, provided, however, that if the tender is made during the period beginning on November 22 and ending on the next March 1, the renewal period shall be as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract. Should a Club fail to tender or renew a contract as provided in this paragraph, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications.

(E) Reservations. A player on the Disqualified List may be reserved as such for two consecutive years. At the expiration of that two-year period, the player need not be reported on the player’s Major or Minor League Club’s annual Reserve List and will automatically be transferred to a General isqualified.

(F) Promulgation. Whenever a player is placed on the Disqualified List, such fact shall be promulgated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to all Major League Clubs in the form of a transaction bulletin.

(G) Assignment. The contract of a player on the Disqualified List may be assigned, but the assignee Club shall assume all responsibility for the player’s reporting.

(H) Reinstatement of Players.

(i) Application. Any player on the Disqualified List may apply for reinstatement, or to have the player’s status changed, upon the conditions stated in this Rule 2(c)(7). Such application shall be filed with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. An application for reinstatement may be granted upon such terms and conditions as the facts may warrant in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. If a player files an application for reinstatement from the Disqualified List after February 1 of any year, the player’s Major or Minor League Club shall be entitled to 30 days’ written notice prior to the player’s reinstatement. No Major League player on the Disqualified List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 to and including October 31, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement. No Minor League player on the Disqualified List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 until the conclusion of the Minor League championship season and playoffs, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement.

(ii) Upon proper application, a player on the Disqualified List may be reinstated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

(iii) Player Limits. A player reinstated from the Disqualified List between the mandatory spring training reporting date and the conclusion of the championship season shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club. A player reinstated from such a List between the conclusion of a championship season and the mandatory spring training reporting date shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until the fourteenth calendar day following reinstatement.

(iv) Reinstatement Before Release. A Player on the Disqualified List must be reinstated before the player can be released unconditionally.

(8) INELIGIBLE LIST.

(A) A player or other person found guilty of misconduct or other acts mentioned in Rule 21, or convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude, may be placed on the “Ineligible List” by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. A player or other person on the Ineligible List shall not be eligible to play or associate with any Major or Minor League Club.

(B) No Major or Minor League player shall knowingly play with or against a team with which, during the current season, any ineligible player or person has had any connection. Should a player knowingly play with or against any such team, the player shall be placed on the Disqualified List.

(C) ACTION BY COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMISSIONER’S DESIGNEE. In all cases the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may determine, at any time, either on his or her own motion or at the request of a Major League Club or Major or Minor League player, that the best interests of Baseball require that a player, Club or League official or employee, or other person, be placed on the Ineligible List and may also, in his or her sole discretion and upon such terms and conditions as he or she may deem proper, reinstate any such person from the Ineligible List or transfer the person from the Ineligible List to the Disqualified List.

(D) Player Limits. Players on the Ineligible List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract who has been reserved for two consecutive years on the Ineligible List shall be omitted from further Reserve Lists and shall not be eligible to play until the player is first reinstated in accordance with Rule 2(c)(8)(J) (Reinstatement of Players). Upon reinstatement, the Major League Club to which the player is reserved shall restore the player to the same status that the player had at the time when the player retired or became ineligible.

(E) Salary. A player on the Ineligible List (i) shall not be unconditionally released, and (ii) shall not be entitled to salary while on any such list, nor after reinstatement from any such list, until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club.

(F) Tenders and Renewals. With regard to any player who is on the Ineligible List, a Club shall not be obligated to tender or renew a contract until the player is removed from such list and reinstated to active status. If a player is removed from such list during a period beginning on November 22 and extending through the next championship season, the Club shall tender a contract to the player within 10 days following such removal. Thereafter, should the Club and the player agree upon the terms of a new contract within 10 days after the player’s receipt of the tendered contract, the Club shall be obligated, within the next five days, to renew the player’s prior Major League contract, provided, however, that if the tender is made during the period beginning on November 22 and ending on the next March 1, the renewal period shall be as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract. Should a Club fail to tender or renew a contract as provided in this paragraph, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications.

(G) Reservations. A player on the Ineligible List may be reserved as such for two consecutive years. At the expiration of that two-year period, the player need not be reported on the player’s Major or Minor League Club’s annual Reserve List and will automatically be transferred to a General Ineligible List.

(H) Promulgation. Whenever a player is placed on the Ineligible List, such fact shall be promulgated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee to all Major League Clubs in the form of a transaction bulletin.

(I) Assignment. The contract of a player on the Ineligible List may not be assigned except with the permission of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

(J) Reinstatement of Players.

(i) Application. Any player on the Ineligible List may apply for reinstatement, or to have the player’s status changed, upon the conditions stated in this Rule 2(c)(8). Such application shall be filed with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. An application for reinstatement may be granted upon such terms and conditions as the facts may warrant in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

If a player files an application for reinstatement from the Ineligible List after February 1 of any year, the player’s Major or Minor League Club shall be entitled to 30 days’ written notice prior to the player’s reinstatement. No Major League player on the Ineligible List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 to and including October 31. No Minor League player on the Ineligible List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 until the conclusion of the Minor League championship season and playoffs, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement.

(ii) Upon proper application, a player on the Ineligible List may be reinstated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. However, no such application may be made until after the lapse of one year from date of placement on the Ineligible List.

(iii) Player Limits. A player reinstated from the Ineligible List between the mandatory spring training reporting date and the conclusion of the championship season shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club. A player reinstated from such a List between the conclusion of a championship season and the mandatory spring training reporting date shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until the fourteenth calendar day following reinstatement.

(iv) Reinstatement Before Release. A Player on the Ineligible List must be reinstated before the player can be released unconditionally.

(9) VOLUNTARILY RETIRED LIST.

(A) APPLICATION. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or a Minor League Uniform Player Contract who desires to retire from the profession shall make written application to the player’s Major League Club, stating fully the player’s reasons for retiring. The Major League Club shall forward the application and the Club’s recommendation to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. If the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee deems it proper to do so, the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee may grant an application for voluntary retirement upon the conditions set forth in this Rule 2(c)(9) and upon such other terms and conditions as the facts and circumstances may warrant, in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. However, no player shall be reinstated within 60 calendar days of the championship season or seasons from the date that the player filed the application for voluntary retirement with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

(B) PLAYING WHILE RETIRED. If a voluntarily retired player, during the player’s retirement, shall desire to play baseball for hire, otherwise than for the Major League Club entitled to the player’s services, the player shall first obtain written consent of the player’s Club. The player then must file an application with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee requesting permission to play otherwise than for the Major League Club to which the player is under contract. The player’s application shall specify the teams with and against which the player desires to play, and their locations, and shall be transmitted with the player’s Club’s consent to the Commissioner for approval or denial.

(C) PLAYER LIMITS. Players on the Voluntarily Retired List shall not count against either the Reserve List or Active List limits. A player under a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract or Minor League Uniform Player Contract who has been reserved for two consecutive years on the Voluntarily Retired List shall be omitted from further Reserve Lists and shall not be eligible to play until the player is first reinstated in accordance with Rule 2(c)(9)(E) (Reinstatement of Players). Upon reinstatement, the Major League or Minor League Club to which the player is reserved shall restore the player to the same status that the player had at the time when the player retired or became ineligible.

(D) TENDERS AND RENEWALS. With regard to any player who is on the Voluntarily Retired List, a Club shall not be obligated to tender or renew a contract until the player is removed from such list and reinstated to active status. If a player is removed from such list during a period beginning on November 22 and extending through the next championship season, the Club shall tender a contract to the player within 10 days following such removal. Thereafter, should the Club and the player agree upon the terms of a new contract within 10 days after the player’s receipt of the tendered contract, the Club shall be obligated, within the next five days, to renew the player’s prior Major League contract, provided, however, that if the tender is made during the period beginning on November 22 and ending on the next March 1, the renewal period shall be as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract. Should a Club fail to tender or renew a contract as provided in this paragraph, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications.

(E) REINSTATEMENT OF PLAYERS.

(i) APPLICATION. Any player on the Voluntarily Retired List may apply for reinstatement, or to have the player’s status changed, upon the conditions stated in this Rule 2(c)(9). Such application shall be filed with the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee. An application for reinstatement may be granted upon such terms and conditions as the facts may warrant in the judgment of the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

If a player files an application for reinstatement from the Voluntarily Retired List after February 1 of any year, the player’s Major League Club shall be entitled to 30 days’ written notice prior to the player’s reinstatement. No application for reinstatement shall be received from a Voluntarily Retired player within 60 playing days of the player’s retirement. No Major League player on the Voluntarily Retired List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 to and including October 31. No Minor League player on the Voluntarily Retired List shall be reinstated during the period from August 1 until the conclusion of the Minor League championship season and playoffs, unless the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee has approved the reinstatement.

(ii) Upon proper application, a player on the Voluntarily Retired List may be reinstated by the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

(iii) PLAYER LIMITS. A player reinstated from the Voluntarily Retired List between the mandatory spring training reporting date and the conclusion of the championship season shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until such date (not exceeding 30 days after reinstatement) as the player is in condition to participate in championship games to the satisfaction of the player’s Club. A player reinstated from such a List between the conclusion of a championship season and the mandatory spring training reporting date shall not count against the player limits of the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is reinstated until the fourteenth calendar day following reinstatement.

(iv) REINSTATEMENT BEFORE RELEASE. A player on the Voluntarily Retired List may be unconditionally released if both approval of the Commissioner and any applicable waivers are first obtained.

(10) MILITARY LIST. Players under reserve to Major or Minor League Clubs may be placed on the Military List subject to conditions and strictures set forth in this Rule 2(c)(10).

(A) If a player has received definite orders to report for military service, the player may be placed on the Military List within 15 days of the date on which the player is to report. A player may not be placed on the Military List, however, unless the player has left the player’s Major League or Minor League Club in preparation for reporting for military service.

(B) Player Limits. A player on the Military List shall not count against any Reserve List or Active List limits as of the date the player commences active military service if the player and the player’s Major League Club advises the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee in writing of the exact date that the player began active military service, the unit with which the player is serving and the player’s serial number.

(C) Upon discharge from military service a player will count against Reserve List and Active List limits after the player has completed a 15-day trial period or has participated in a championship season game, whichever comes first. This trial period shall begin when the player physically reports during either spring training or the championship season to the Major or Minor League Club for which the player has been directed to perform. A player on the Military List who is discharged from military service after the Rule 5 Selection Meeting, however, shall not count against any Reserve List or Active List limit until the opening day of the following championship season and such a player shall not count against any Reserve List limit in any event until the player has had a trial period of at least 15 days or has played in a championship season game.

(D) Upon learning that a player has been separated from military service, the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is under reserve must immediately transmit such information to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee.

(E) A player who is required to return for additional military service, but who may be available to the player’s Major or Minor League Club while still in military service, shall be counted against the player’s Club’s Active List limit from the day the player participates in a championship season game and for the balance of the season. Any time accumulated by such player during spring training or the championship season shall be charged against the 15-day trial period that the player’s Club must give the player.

(F) Tenders and Renewals. With regard to any player who is on the Military List, a Club shall not be obligated to tender or renew a contract until the player is removed from such list and reinstated to active status. If a player is removed from such list during a period beginning on November 22 and extending through the next championship season, the Club shall tender a contract to the player within 10 days following such removal. Thereafter, should the Club and the player agree upon the terms of a new contract within 10 days after the player’s receipt of the tendered contract, the Club shall be obligated, within the next five days, to renew the player’s prior Major League contract, provided, however, that if the tender is made during the period beginning on November 22 and ending on the next March 1, the renewal period shall be as set forth in paragraph 10(a) of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract. Should a Club fail to tender or renew a contract as provided in this paragraph, the player shall become a free agent without any restrictions or qualifications.

(G) Reinstatement Before Release. A Player on the Military List must be reinstated before the player can be released unconditionally.

(11) MINOR LEAGUE INJURED LIST

(A) Application. If a Minor League Player is unable to render services because of a specific injury, the player may be placed on the Injured List for that particular Minor League Club. The two lists a Minor League player may be placed on during the championship season are:

(i) Regular Injured List. Minimum period of placement on a Minor League Injured List shall be seven consecutive days.

(ii) Minor League 60-Day Injured List. No player may be placed on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List until the player has spent at least five days in a roster status where that player is counting against a Domestic Reserve List limit of a Club (including the assignor Club in the event of a trade). Placement on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List requires pre-approval from the Office of the Commissioner. The application for placement on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall be accompanied by a Standard Form of Diagnosis completed by the Major or Minor League Club physician. The Commissioner’s Office, in conjunction with the MLB Medical Director, will review and approve such applications. The minimum period of placement on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall be 60 consecutive days, unless otherwise approved by the Office of the Commissioner. Days spent on the Regular Injured List prior to a transfer to the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall count towards the required minimum period of inactivity. Players appropriately placed on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List may remain on such list until the 5th day following the conclusion of the World Series.

(B) Player Limits. A player on a Regular Minor League Injured List shall count against the player’s Minor League Club’s Reserve List limit but not against the Club’s Active List limit. A player assigned on rehabilitation while on the Injured List shall count towards the Reserve List limit of the assignor Club and shall not count against the player limits of the assignee Club. A player on the Minor League 60-Day Injured List shall not count against either a Minor League Club’s Active or Reserve List limit or a Club’s Domestic Reserve List limit.

(12) Development List

(A) Placement on the Development List. A Minor League player may be placed on the Development List for any non-disciplinary reason, except that a player is not eligible to be placed on the Development List if the player is injured and otherwise qualifies for placement on the Minor League Injured List. Players on optional assignment to the Minor Leagues may not be placed on the Development List without their written consent. Upon request for placement on the Development List, the Club must include the reason for such placement. The minimum period of placement on the Development List shall be seven consecutive days, except that if a player on the Development List suffers an injury, that player is required to be transferred to the Regular Injured List and the inactive days on the Development List will count towards the minimum period of inactivity on the Regular Injured List.

(B) Player Limits. A player on the Development List shall count against the player’s Minor League Club’s Reserve List and the Domestic Reserve List limit but not against the Club’s Active List limit.

(13) TEMPORARILY INACTIVE LIST.

(A) Placement on Temporarily Inactive List. If a Minor League player is

(i) not in position to render active service to the player’s Club due to any of the following:

(aa) necessary temporary absence during the playing season on account of a family member’s bona-fide illness;

(bb) absence excused by the Club and approved by the Commissioner’s Office; or

(cc) the player not being in condition to render services as a result of an absence described in Rules 2(c)(12)(A)(i) or 2(c)(12)(A)(ii), or as a result of having reported recently for service in that season; or

(ii) awaiting completion of the player’s unconditional release for the purpose of allowing the player to sign with a club in a foreign league, provided the player’s Club submits documentation of the transaction with the foreign club satisfactory to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee, the player may be placed on the Minor League Club’s Temporarily Inactive List. If the placement is pursuant to Rule 2(c)(12)(A)(i), the Player’s salary entitlement shall be at the Club’s discretion until such player returns to the Club in physical condition to render services. A Player may not be placed on the Temporarily Inactive List prior to the start of the championship season.

The minimum period of placement on the Temporarily Inactive List shall be three consecutive days, during which the player will not be allowed in uniform during a game.

(B) Player Limits. A Temporarily Inactive player shall not be counted on a Minor League Club’s Active List, but the player shall be included in the Reserve List limit. Written notice of placement upon the Temporarily Inactive List must be given to the player. A player cannot be carried on the Reserve List as Temporarily Inactive.

(C) Assignment. No assignment of a Temporarily Inactive List player shall be permitted until after reinstatement, following expiration of the minimum period unless the player is being assigned to another Major League Club; provided, however, that a 40-man Roster player on the Temporarily Inactive List may only be assigned to another Major League Club within the 72-hour window leading up to the period set forth in Rule 6(d)(3). However, a Temporarily Inactive List player may be unconditionally released at any time, provided the player has first been reinstated from the Temporarily Inactive List.

(14) PLAYERS SIGNED FOR FUTURE SERVICES. No Major League Club may sign an eligible player if the player has no previous Major or Minor League experience and if the contract is for services to commence after the current calendar year, except as provided for in subparagraphs (A) or (B) of this Rule 2(c)(13).

(A) A Major League Club may sign, after July 1, a player who has no previous Major or Minor League experience to a contract for the succeeding year, provided, however, that the number of players so signed shall not exceed 50 assigned in the aggregate to the Class High-A, Low-A, Spring Training Complex, or International Rookie League Clubs that the Major League Club owns or with which it is affiliated during the current season. Each such additional player signed to a Minor League Uniform Player Contract shall be placed on either the Class High-A, Low-A, Spring Training Complex or International Rookie Reserve List, but the player shall not count against Reserve List or Active List limits until the opening day of the succeeding championship season of the Club to which the player is assigned. The Club shall be obligated to take such player to its spring training camp (Major League, Minor League or a combination of both) for a minimum 15-day trial period. Each such additional player signed to a Major League Uniform Player’s Contract shall be placed on a Major League Reserve List, shall count against such Reserve List limits immediately, shall be directed not to report until Major League spring training camp and shall not count against Active List limits until the opening day of the succeeding championship season of the Club to which the player is assigned. The Club shall be obligated to take such player to its spring training camp (Major League, Minor League or a combination of both) for a minimum 15-day trial period.

(B) A player who has no previous Major or Minor League experience and who is in the Armed Services may contract, regardless of the date on which the player is scheduled to be discharged, for either the current or the next succeeding season if the player is signed between the Rule 4 draft and the Winter Meetings, or for the season following the Winter Meetings if the player is signed between the Winter Meetings and the next Rule 4 draft. A player so signed shall not be eligible for placement on the Military List and shall be counted against the signing Club’s Major or Minor League Reserve List limits. Players signed pursuant to this Rule 2(c)(13)(B) shall not be charged for player classification purposes with any time between the date of the contract and the date of reporting.

(d) LIMITATIONS ON COACHES, PLAYER-COACHES AND PLAYER-MANAGERS.

(1) Major League.

(A) A person employed as a coach shall not count against the Reserve List or Active List limits unless and until the person signs a contract as a player. Upon signing as a player the person cannot be re-employed as a coach during the same season, unless any applicable waivers are first secured and the person is unconditionally released as a player.

(B) A person signed as a player or a player-manager cannot b re-employed as a manager or coach until any applicable waivers are first secured and the person is unconditionally released as a player. If the person is then employed under a coach’s or manager’s contract, a Major League Club cannot release the person as coach or manager and subsequently re-sign the person as a player during the same championship season.

(C) No contract shall be approved unless a Major League Club indicates in the contract whether the person is to be employed as a player or as a coach.

(D)(i) From opening day through August 31 and during the post-season, a Major League Club shall be permitted no more than eight on-field uniformed coaches, instructors or bullpen coaches (including honorary coaches or instructors) during an official Major League Baseball game. Prior to substituting for a manager or coach who has left the Club on a temporary basis, the team must notify the Commissioner’s Office, as well as the opposing Club and umpire crew, of the temporary change prior to the start of the game.

(ii) From September 1 through the conclusion of the championship season, a Major League Club shall be permitted one additional on-field uniformed coach, instructor or bullpen coach during an official Major League Baseball game, so long as such additional coach is a full-time employee who has spent a significant amount of time during the championship season as a uniformed manager, coach or instructor of that Major League Club or a Minor League Club or Clubs affiliated with that Major League Club and so long as the Major League Club provides such coach’s name to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee before such coach appears in uniform during a Major League game. A Major League Club may designate a different additional coach from game to game, so long as the Major League Club complies with all other requirements of this Rule 2(d)(1)(D).

(iii) From September 1 through the conclusion of the championship season, a Major League Club shall be permitted one additional Certified Athletic Trainer or registered strength and conditioning coach to sit on the bench during an official Major League Baseball game, so long as such additional trainer or coach is a full-time employee who has spent a significant amount of time during the championship season as a trainer or coach of that Major League Club or a Minor League Club or Clubs affiliated with that Major League Club and so long as the Major League Club provides the name of such trainer or coach to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee before such trainer or coach appears in uniform during a Major League game. A Major League Club may designate a different coach or trainer under this rule from game to game, so long as the Major League Club complies with all other requirements of this Rule 2(d)(1)(D).

(iv) There shall be no limit on the number of coaches or instructors who may work with players during any pre-game or post-game practice; however, additional coaches and/or instructors who participate in pre-game activities must leave the dugout, field and bullpen areas during the game.

(2) Minor League.

(A) A person employed as a manager or coach shall not count against the Reserve List or Active List limits unless and until the person signs a contract as a player. Upon signing as a player, the person cannot be re-employed as a manager or coach during the same season, unless the person is unconditionally released as a player. During the same championship season, a manager or coach who has been signed and subsequently released as a player may not be re-signed as a player.

(B) A person signed as a player, player-manager or player-coach cannot be re-employed as a manager or coach until the person is unconditionally released as a player. If the person is then employed under a coach’s or manager’s contract, a Major League Club cannot release the person as coach or manager of a Minor League Club and subsequently re-sign the person as a player during the same championship season.

(C) No contract shall be approved unless a Major League Club indicates in the contract whether the person is to be employed as a player or as a manager or coach.

(3) RE-SIGNING OF COACH OR MANAGER AS PLAYER. Any Major League Reserve List player who has been unconditionally released and signed as a coach or manager after midnight on August 1 of any championship season cannot be re-signed as a player by the releasing Major League Club until May 15 of the following championship season.

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romus159f1a47238 says:

November 21, 2024 at 6:02 PM

MAJOR LEAGUE CLUB ACTIVE LIST.

From Opening Day through August 31 and during postseason games, the minimum number of players on an Active List shall be 25, and the maximum number of players shall be 26. Clubs may carry a maximum of 13 pitchers on the Active List during this period.

I am wondering how will the Dodgers work this with Ohtani…. It would seem they would be continually at the max of 26.

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jimpeyton19 says:

November 21, 2024 at 6:06 PM

Regarding a trade of Alec Bohm. The attitude stuff is way overblown and first presented by AJ Pierzinski. (He doesn’t warrant a spelling lookup.) Certainly, a guy who would have inside stuff on the Phillies. NOT! In fact. he admits he didn’t get the story from anyone inside the Phillies organization.

That said, the Phillies are entertaining trade talks on Bohm. They are entertaining trade talks on quite a few players and prospects. Bohm is just the most desirable. He’s the type of hitter the Phillies want to acquire and the type of hitter they want to get their swing-and-miss guys to be.

At the start of the offseason, a Bohm trade hinged on the acquisition of a more than suitable replacement – like Bregman. After the AFL, some think that Kemp could be a suitable replacement.

So, for the person who wanted to hear someone say that Miller or Kemp are MLB ready, here it is. Kemp is MLB ready.

I agree that Bohm should bring back a solid starter like Woo and additional prospects. I don’t know if he has the cache to carry both Walker’s and Castellanos’ contracts with him. I think we would have to pony up a mid-tier prospect like Saltiban/Rincon/Rincones.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 21, 2024 at 7:14 PM
  
  I think in any trade involving Bohm, Castellanos should not be a difficult tag-along with Bohm, but seriously doubt Walker can be parceled to any club without adding a significant top prospect or two. Then again, the Phillies could also eat a high percentage of remaining contracts in any trade involving Casty and/or Walker.
  
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  1. rocco moffo says:
    
    November 21, 2024 at 8:26 PM
    
    Bohm for Woo straight? I wonder if that’s equal value. Walker I think in any trade we eat at least ,50 percent of his contract.
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 22, 2024 at 7:34 AM
      
      rocco ……you are correct…Walker’s contract will require a lot of regurgitation.
      
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2. Tac3 says:
  
  November 21, 2024 at 8:30 PM
  
  Thats a juicy tidbit Jim! Lol
  
  If Kemp is ready … that changes a lot imo. A lot of dominoes can fall. They need to move on it. Worst case, if they are wrong, Miller is behind him & they swap Bohm for a productive low cost SP. If both Kemp & Miller can make it, which one can play the OF? On the trading of Bohm to make this happen, The question in my mind is how much better is Crochet over Woo? Crochet is Left-handed. I like that. Pairing him with Painter feels ideal from where I stand. The cost is higher though. Woo’s highlights don’t give me “ace potential”but I haven’t seen enough of him.
  
  These moves combined with getting Soto would be the overhaul we are looking for. Bohm is a great bat, and I expect him to get better, so it’s not easy to trade. That said, the above moves are great than bohms potential.
  
  It hasnt’ been said yet, but I also think Ranger is on the block. If you are getting Woo or Crochet + Painter to add to Wheeler, Nola, & Sanchez… Ranger is a luxury at that point. I really can’t see how the Phillies can resign him next year with the idea of improving the offense this year. Another wild card that makes Ranger tradeable is the wild cards from the Japan pitchers. Probably won’t get any ,but if they did… watchout.
  
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  1. v1again says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 11:07 AM
    
    Otto Kemp being deemed “ready” does not mean that he will be a good MLB hitter. It simply means that he has proven what he can prove against minor league pitchers and his skills are developed. Being a good MLB hitter is an entirely different thing. The MLB is filled with elite minor league hitters who could not not hit major league pitching. I am intrigued by Kemp, but in no way would I assume (and I am sure DD feels similarly) that he is a player that you can bank on.
    
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3. Fighterflea says:
  
  November 21, 2024 at 9:45 PM
  
  Jim, thank you for your post and your insight. I read it twice. Most of it makes a lot of sense but the Kemp piece makes no sense to me at all.
  
  To conclude that Kemp is MLB-ready on the strength of views of some observers of the AFL season is a jump I find it hard to make. Kemp began last year at Clearwater and progressed to Lehigh Valley where he hit .200 with an OPS of .577.
  
  The Arizona Fall League is not renown for great pitching. And the Phils have lavished more praise on other prospects generally than on Kemp. Good prospect, yes. Great prospects and game ready for the Phils on opening day — I don’t see the evidence.
  
  And I’ve never seen a situation where the Phils moved an All Star for such an unproven commodity. Not questioning you, Jim, or your sources. But I am questioning the wisdom of the move if it occurs. If they want to give Kemp AB’s in the OF in spring training (just as he got in the AFL), I’m all for it. There’s a vacancy sign up in LF.
  
  But trading a team-controlled quality performer like Bohm to make room for an unproven successor can help get a GM (DD is safe) fired.
  
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  1. PhilPhan says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 8:21 AM
    
    No one in the organization makes a judgment on a player based “on the strength of views of some observers of the AFL season” nor are decisions made based upon “surface” statistical data. While opinions are subjective all decisions are made on multiple reviews of underlying data, a players makeup, maturity and ability along with their performance throughout their development process – nothing is predicated on just one level of play or period of success. It’s also not always considered necessary that a player has to serve time at every level of the minor league chain in order to be “ready”. There’s an old adage that the “player will tell ya when they’re ready” and for decision makers that’s a heavily weighted factor. Just sayin – fans can debate “readiness” all they want and if a player is promoted and fails the “I told ya so” crows emerge but deciding whether to promote a player or not is not a shortsighted one made by those who make the call.
    
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  2. PhilPhan says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 8:21 AM
    
    No one in the organization makes a judgment on a player based “on the strength of views of some observers of the AFL season” nor are decisions made based upon “surface” statistical data. While opinions are subjective all decisions are made on multiple reviews of underlying data, a players makeup, maturity and ability along with their performance throughout their development process – nothing is predicated on just one level of play or period of success. It’s also not always considered necessary that a player has to serve time at every level of the minor league chain in order to be “ready”. There’s an old adage that the “player will tell ya when they’re ready” and for decision makers that’s a heavily weighted factor. Just sayin – fans can debate “readiness” all they want and if a player is promoted and fails the “I told ya so” crows emerge but deciding whether to promote a player or not is not a shortsighted one made by those who make the call.
    
    Steve Potter
    
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  3. jimpeyton19 says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 8:32 AM
    
    I never said he was a successor. MLB-ready means exactly MLB-ready. Whether as a starter, platoon player, or bench player.
    
    The observers you so casually dismiss aren’t fans or media types but their own baseball ops people. And they aren’t just going by his AFL season but his whole 2024 season. And they look at more than average and OPS in 13 games at Triple-A. They have a whole set of underlying criteria that I’ll call under the surface stats. (not WAR)
    
    Look, I don’t see him becoming the third baseman for different reasons. But if we get a year of Kemp in a platoon at third until Miller forces his way into the Phillies infield AND the Phillies somehow sign Soto, I’m fine with that.
    
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    1. Trollu says:
      
      November 22, 2024 at 9:40 AM
      
      lol really looked at and crapped on his 13 games in aaa but seemed to skip over his awesome body of work for the rest of the season. It always makes me laugh when fans think they know more than the actual professionals that evaluate these kids every day.
      
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      1. Fighterflea says:
        
        November 22, 2024 at 1:48 PM
        
        Humor’s where you find it. I find it funny that on a website that can criticize players at the highest level, front offices and managers at the highest level — that the Phillies scouting and development personnel can get unqualified approbation from anyone. I’ve followed the Phils since 1958 and if any team has generated less home grownWAR from its signings and development of prospects, I can’t think of what team it might be. I can’t applaud them for the mere fact that they occupy the desks they occupy. Mattingly seems very able and might presage marked improvement.
        
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jimpeyton19 says:

November 21, 2024 at 9:57 PM

FWIW, I don’t believe that the Phillies NEED to dump contracts to sign Soto. I think we still think like we did before the Phillies finally broke through the threshold. The reality is that Middleton will spend what it takes to win. If he can sign Soto and hasn’t been able to unload contracts, oh well. And I think he’ll still spend on other needs. Not that they won’t try and move contracts and be fiscally responsible. But the inability to be so won’t be a deterrent.

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1. Andrew R says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 6:52 AM
  
  I agree. Unloading Castellanos and/or Walker is a bonus. If the Mets are seen as favorites for Soto, how is that look in Philly? Our biggest rival signs one of the best hitters in baseball while we “run it back” again?
  
  I know we’re not totally “running it back” but what trade is going to move the needle the way a Soto signing will? Arenado? No. Crochet? No.
  
  Soto is going to get paid. Does he really want a clown show in Queens for a few million more a year?
  
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  1. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 7:37 AM
    
    If the Mets sign Soto…Yankees will tit-for-tat pull the trigger on Alonso…..not a wash exchange, but close enough IMO.
    
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Fighterflea says:

November 21, 2024 at 10:36 PM

Five teams have met with Soto and his representation — Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Blue Jays and Red Sox. The Phils are trying to get scheduled as the sixth. No reason to think a meeting won’t occur. The consensus is that Soto will follow the money.

If you were handicapping it, it would seem there is a 90 % chance he stays in NY with other teams nibbling at the other 10 %. Taking a long view, there was Bobby Witt Jr. and Gunnar Henderson who surpassed or virtually matched Soto’s WAR this season. They should be watching Soto’s off-season with interest. Soto’s a great talent but others rival Soto as a generational talent. Those 2 will get paid, likely by teams that didn’t win the Soto bidding war.

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1. The Guru says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 3:47 AM
  
  Bobby Witt Jr. already signed for 11/288.
  
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2. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 7:17 AM
  
  Comparing Soto’s situation to young stars is not correct.
  
  Both Witt (was) and Henderson are in different categories than what Soto is in now. They will have to be bought out from their controlled/arb years….Henderson’s first is in 2026.
  
  Just like Acuna, Albies, Tatis et al of the young guns, their LTCs will normally only extend into their early-to-mid 30s. Tatis goes until he is 35…so basically the clubs get more of a player’s prime years out of those contracts.
  
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romus159f1a47238 says:

November 22, 2024 at 7:32 AM

If the Yankees non-tender Trent Grisham and move on from him, IMO the Phillies ought to entertain him …still young at 28, great defensive CFer and if he can play regularly may be a good bat again like he was a few years ago with the Padres…..put him in CF until Crawford is ready. Also have the flexibility to make a trade move with Marsh. another name floating out there who was at one time a top prospect of the Cards’….. Dylan Carlson.

Both Grisham and Carlson may be candidates for rebound career opportunities at a relatively low cost-few year investment.

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1. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 8:45 AM
  
  I read or heard that Mattingly said that Crawford should come to spring training intent on winning the starting role. So, if my memory is accurate and if he continues to perform at the impressive level he has been performing, maybe centerfield gets settled this spring?
  
  I know I just crapped on 13 games at Triple-A above, but Crawford is a unicorn who actually performed better in 40 games at Double-A than at the previous level. And the Phillies aren’t shy about skipping Triple-A. I think it’s a long shot. But what if it isn’t? That would be cool.
  
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  1. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 9:17 AM
    
    Agreed…….Crawford making the team out of spring training would be an ideal situation. He has performed at every level so far and will have approx 1000 PAs at all the levels he is played as a professional.
    
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  2. steved says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 9:17 AM
    
    It would be super cool, and i for one hope they let some more youth come up this year.. however it’s like a pressure cooker now on the big club… stinks but the youth won’t have that leisure of the 2022 daycare guys, these guys will have way higher expectations and i hope that they can meld some of a “hey relax, lets have some fun and play ball” with “this is a job and we aren’t here to screw around” needed to get to the playoffs
    
    I also hope we are bubble wrapping nola/sanchez/wheeler/ranger/painter this winter and making sure nobody slips and falls on ice or in the bathroom or stubs a toe etc. ship sails on the arms, with how bad their teamates chase gonna need 3 CY young candidates next year to counteract it again
    
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  3. Don53 says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 9:23 AM
    
    Jim. The night the Baseball Tonight guys spoke with Mattingly he mentioned that Painter, Miller, and Crawford are expected to be in Philly sooner rather than later. He was really high on all 3. That is the only thing I have seen on the 3 guys. Does that mean beginning of next season I do not know.
    
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    1. jimpeyton19 says:
      
      November 22, 2024 at 3:31 PM
      
      Barring injury, Painter will certainly make his debut this season. Miller and Crawford would be a surprise. Although, the tone as I understood the comment I’m remembering was that Crawford should be of the mindset that he can/will make the team out of spring training this season. It might not happen but that he shouldn’t come to camp thinking it is the reward that it will be for other lesser prospects.
      
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  4. Fighterflea says:
    
    November 22, 2024 at 9:50 AM
    
    I haven’t seen Crawford or Kemp play live, just tapes.I’m not a scout but a student of all kinds of history.
    
    The Ohils could intend to promote prospects more aggressively than has been their history. Here I’m not talking about skipping a rung on the ladder but promoting SUCCESSFULLY a prospect to the big team based on intangibles not supported by a track record of high level, perhaps, sustained performance in the high minors. To me, Johan Rojas fails the SUCCESSFUL test as evidenced by a lot of things including his brief demotion this year.
    
    If my memory fails me as it sometimes does, I’d love to know the example(s) of the Phils shaping their starting lineup to accommodate a prospect with intangibles not tested thoroughly and rigorously on the test grounds to which the Phils are heavily invested — the high minors of their farm system.
    
    As an aside, Crawford in CF I see differently than Kemp at 3B. Crawford wouldn’t be displacing a highly successful incumbent. I wish both prospects well and hope they have great futures before them.
    
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    1. catch22hman says:
      
      November 22, 2024 at 9:55 AM
      
      You know, I think they should promote a prospect to the majors when he is READY to be promoted and, when in doubt, err on the side of keeping the guy in the minors until it’s clear he is ready. I think Rojas has really been hurt by the early promotion. I’m not saying it was the wrong move because they needed him and his offensive ceiling isn’t that high anyway, but I think he would be a better player now if he stayed in the minors.
      
      One thing I like to look back on is what happened to Chase Utley – he spent a 1 2/3 years in AAA and this, from what I can see, did nothing but help him.
      
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      1. romus159f1a47238 says:
        
        November 22, 2024 at 1:10 PM
        
        Agreed……keeping a guy in high minors of AAA for an additional 200 PAs should benefit him in the long run…err on the side of a little more development.
        
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Don53 says:

November 22, 2024 at 10:44 AM

Here is one speaking Phillies trying to clear payroll to enter Soto derby.

Phillies could be ‘trying to clear salary’ to sign projected $630 million superstar

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1. v1again says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 11:15 AM
  
  If they want to clear salary, there really are only two contracts to dump – Castellanos and Walker. I don’t believe that they will trade JT.
  
  The only way they can trade those guys is to give up something of value. Either a high value prospect or a young player like Stott or Bohm. Imo Bohm seems like the obvious guy here. Mostly because he isn’t really a culture fit imo. I agree with Jim that comments from AJ Pierzinski should be taken with a grain of salt. But benching him during the playoffs is really really telling imo. You do not bench a current year all-star in a playoff game unless you lost confidence in him. Imo Bohm forgetting the number of outs was a big mistake on his part that doesn’t sit well with the club.
  
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2. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 3:24 PM
  
  This guy, Peter Chawaga, does not impress me. He states nothing new. It is a short article that quotes from and clicks to other people’s work.
  
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  1. glan52 says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 11:03 AM
    
    I almost think it’s made by AI
    
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rocco moffo says:

November 22, 2024 at 11:33 AM

i can’t believe the Phillies, will tendered stubbs

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ciada4202 says:

November 22, 2024 at 11:49 AM

With all the talk here about Otto Kemp, I compare him to Ron Cey. Both were about 5’10” and weighed 185 lbs. Cey broke through at age 25 which is what Kemp is now. Both hit for power. Cey played 3B at a .960 clip over his MLB career. Kemp has played at a .974 in MiLB. Of course, I’m not saying that Kemp will turn out to be Ron Cey but right down to their mustaches, he might.

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rocco moffo says:

November 22, 2024 at 11:55 AM

Ron Cey was his nickname Penguin ?

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Don53 says:

November 22, 2024 at 12:06 PM

Phillies meet with Juan Soto, and here’s why they could be a perfect fit for MLB’s top free agent – CBSSports.com

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 1:19 PM
  
  Don…the writer does make some sense…..though with Schwarber and JTR….they still could be brought back, if the need is there, on shorter and lower AAV contracts that befits players in their mid-30s. But the luxury tax threshold will have gone up a bit by their next contract.
  
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ciada4202 says:

November 22, 2024 at 12:16 PM

Yes, Moffo, it was.

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murrayfein says:

November 22, 2024 at 12:21 PM

I’m sorry but I can’t see a team that wants to win a World Series putting an unproven Otto Kemp at 3b with mediocre minor league stats. Not a chance in my mind. If Bohm gets traded, and I’m not sure if he will, they’ll have a plan in place to replace him for a year or two while they wait on Miller’s development. Miller is not coming up in 2025, he’s not ready yet, but 2026 could work. Crawford is further along and could make the jump mid season in 2025 but opening day starter seems like a huge stretch to me. Also, the Phil’s will only trade for a big time SP if they plan to trade Ranger. They won’t block Painter. They’ll sign one or two bounce back guys to compete with Walker to start until July. I don’t see why Turnbull wouldn’t be in consideration again.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 1:24 PM
  
  If Bohm is traded, someone like Bregman could be signed, BUT he would have to move off third base after a few years when Miller is arrives. He has said he would move to another infield position…most likely 2B.
  
  However, rumor has it Bregman could go back to former manaher AJ Hinch in Detroit, who have plenty of $$$$ to throw around now. If that is the case, Phillies should look to see if Matt Vierling can be brought back….he is a trooper, and could stand in at third until Miller comes on board.
  
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ciada4202 says:

November 22, 2024 at 2:18 PM

Hays let go.

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Tac3 says:

November 22, 2024 at 2:35 PM

Say Soto does happen. I saw a pretty insane team payroll of 428 mil (source Todd Zolecki/phillies website) A large chunk of that was CBP penalties. That’s why I’ve been thinking about trading Castellanos, walker, ranger, Bohm, Alvarado, etc. not saying to trade all but it would help bring that team payroll way down if they did a few.

if he does come here, I’d wonder if we are in for more of a retool year than an all in year. The team seems to have making the playoffs covered as constructed, it’s the hot & cold offense in the playoffs that needs fixed. Soto is perfect for that & extending the window.

if JM is cool with those penalties.. God bless that man. I’m not used to it, but I love it. Pedal to the floor. But he if didn’t & still signed Soto … I think it’s acceptable and gives the new daycare a chance to earn roles before we do this again this year Harper is getting older but Soto imo would really extend the window, almost crossing 2 groups of core players.

will just have to wait and see…. It is a crazy time to be a Phillies Phan.. much different than from when I was a kid… the biggest signing was Gregg Jeffries. I had to wait a long time for Thome to sign

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jimpeyton19 says:

November 22, 2024 at 3:17 PM

As expected, Phillies non-tender Austin Hays.

Phillies To Non-Tender Austin Hays – MLB Trade Rumors

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1. rocco moffo says:
  
  November 22, 2024 at 8:54 PM
  
  They resigned Stubbs. He has to be the worst catcher ever.
  
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  1. jimpeyton19 says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 8:47 AM
    
    I thought that was Andrew Knapp. 🙂
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 23, 2024 at 9:55 AM
      
      Andy had the best moustache going in the majors.
      
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  2. oldruff says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 9:47 AM
    
    Rocco, only guy in the whole system that can bunt! Apparently, you forgot the importance of pinch bunting and ………🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♀️🤸🤸‍♀️….. cheerleading! Much more to back up catcher than blocking balls in the dirt and routinely driving 235 yd fly balls to the OF…….. much more ….. who would refill the double bubble and the sunflower seeds and provide free consulting and counseling?
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 23, 2024 at 9:54 AM
      
      The overalls were a hit.
      
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jimpeyton19 says:

November 22, 2024 at 4:04 PM

The Phillies and RHP José Ruiz avoided arbitration by reaching an agreement at $1.225M, a little above MLBTR’s $1.2M projection.

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Robin Mitchell-Boyask says:

November 22, 2024 at 4:25 PM

In Gelb’s article on the Hays non-tender, he reports “multiple MLB sources” say Phillies have made Castellanos available, and have shopped Bohm and Suarez.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 8:28 AM
  
  Maybe Castellanos, Bohm and Ranger….to the WSox for Crochet and Robert.
  
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  1. Fighterflea says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 8:56 AM
    
    A low budget team with no prospect of immediate success dealing for Castellanos (2 years), Bohm (2 years) and Ranger (1 year) with no team control by the time the ChiSox could be re-emerging. Why would this deal make sense for them if they could trade for players each with 4-6 years of team control?
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 23, 2024 at 9:39 AM
      
      Then add a prospect to the Phillies offer…..but Crochet will cost them in two years also—and he is a one year wonder right now, with an injury history…and Robert had a terrible year last year…who is to say he isn’t a bust….trying to minimize risk, that is the name of the game.
      
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      1. Fighterflea says:
        
        November 23, 2024 at 10:21 AM
        
        Because the Phils and ChiSox are in such different positions, I don’t see a trade matching years of team control, such as you originally proposed.
        
        Crochet is as valuable a starting pitcher as there is on the trade block. Robert attracts a wide range of views regarding the likelihood of his reaching his high potential.
        
        I frankly don’t want Robert at this point though I did months back. For those who like a Crochet/Robert package, I could see it costing Crawford and Tait or Caba as foundational pieces. Then add to those 2 Kemp, Anthony, Rincones and perhaps a little more. If you keep Painter and Miller out of a deal, it seems to me you have to give the Sox pretty much everything and anything else they want. And that’s why I wouldn’t do it.
        
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        November 23, 2024 at 10:43 AM
        
        White Sox will not get that return from the Phillies in a straight up deal…Dombrowski will probably move on. However, the likelihood of a three-way deal, for example involving the Mariners, could bring about a Crochet/Robert to Philadelphia. Wasn’t Bohm’s name mentioned to Seattle for a pitcher , possibly Woo?
        
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2. Tac3 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM
  
  not surprising to me that Ranger is being shopped. Don’t like it, but he is a casualty of the teams success. Can’t afford everyone, and the teams protected 2026 payroll is the only reason he won’t resign here imo. Trade for Crochet and he becomes expendable with Sanchez, Crochet, & Painter
  
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  1. Tac3 says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 11:56 AM
    
    also, I think I am out in Roberts. He seems like Ryan Howard CF. SO a ton to get those hrs. Looked like he was a 200+ SO machine if he didn’t get hurt. His OF Def maybe okay now, but the way his speed on the base paths looked after hitting a double… not so sure he won’t need to be a DH soon. Plus he makes 18mil + … I’d rather wait for Crawford
    
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rocco moffo says:

November 23, 2024 at 9:29 AM

i have a question, The plan is for Stubbs to play about 40 games a yr, Are we better off with him or Marchan?

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 9:53 AM
  
  rocco…..I prefer Marchan. But maybe they have plans to deal Marchan.
  
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2. oldruff says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 9:59 AM
  
  Marchan’s LRWAR (Locker Room WAR) is -3 while Stubbs is 4 and projects to 7 when he is done playing.
  
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3. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 3:28 PM
  
  Rocco, they haven’t released any information regarding Stubbs’ contract the way they did Ruiz’ contract. However, last year Stubbs signed a split contract to avoid arbitration that was written with major league and minor league provisions. Such a contract this year would give the Phillies depth at catcher. Stubbs has an option left, Marchan does not. So, it is most likely that Marchan backs up Realmuto and Stubbs serves as depth from Triple-A. Note that the lack of major/minor league provisions wouldn’t deter the Phillies from optioning Stubbs and keeping Marchan.
  
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rocco moffo says:

November 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM

Royals got India and a outfielder for singer, Singer was mention in Bohm deal, dont know much about him.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 10:46 AM
  
  I liked him coming out of the Florida Gator program way back when….he just never materialized into a consistent number one/ace pitcher for which he was drafted for. A few years ago he had a very good year.
  
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Mark8 says:

November 23, 2024 at 10:21 AM

If Bohm, Castellanos and Ranger are on the block, that tells me Middleton and Dombrowski have an advanced level of confidence that they’re able to acquire one or both of Soto and/or Crochet. I like Romus’s rather efficient trade idea, and agree there’s significant risk with both Crochet and Robert which MLB teams are aware. But the serious upside as well for a win-now club. And with a lot of payroll lightening up within the next couple years, Middleton may be okay biting the bullet until then and going for top available talent.

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1. Mark8 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 10:39 AM
  
  …I would also agree with flea that Crawford would sensibly be added in such a package for Robert and Crochet.
  
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v1again says:

November 23, 2024 at 3:02 PM

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-30-prospects-from-2024-arizona-fall-league?partnerID=web_article-share

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1. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 3:39 PM
  
  I think it was fighterflea who commented that the AFL isn’t known for pitching. Privately I scoffed but then realized that teams would probably protect the arms of their best prospects and avoid sending them to a post-season league.
  
  This list of 30 of the best prospects from the AFL this year includes just TWO pitchers – Painter at #1 and a Reds unranked prospect at #30. Good observation ff.
  
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  1. v1again says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 4:40 PM
    
    If we are going to send him, might as well dominate and be ranked the best prospect.
    
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  2. Fighterflea says:
    
    November 23, 2024 at 6:20 PM
    
    The idea didn’t originate with me. It was based on what I read, taking into account the considerations you mentioned, Jim.
    
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2. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 23, 2024 at 6:47 PM
  
  Little surprised Kemp was not on the list—even in the 20s…….but then again he had no draft cache in his background.
  
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  1. catch22hman says:
    
    November 25, 2024 at 8:30 AM
    
    That’s so MLB – if you’re not one of their young, hot names – you’re a nobody to them unless and until you prove yourself in the big leagues. It’s just background noise anyway.
    
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v1again says:

November 23, 2024 at 4:39 PM

How real is Justin Crawford’s bat? Could he be a dark horse Rookie of the Year candidate depending on the Phillies’ offseason? – Alec Kostival‬ ‪@baseballalec.bsky.social‬

I’m all in on his bat, even though I know what some people are concerned about. Let me explain. On the surface, there should be no cause for worry, right? All the No. 53 overall prospect (No. 3 on the Phillies’ Top 30) did was get to Double-A at age 20 and finish with a .313/.360/.444 line and 42 stolen bases. The big thing evaluators have been worried about is how often Crawford hits the ball on the ground. At the lower levels of the Minors, someone with his speed can get away with it, outrunning infield defenders trying to make plays for infield hits. In 2023, he hit ground balls around 70 percent of the time. That improved to about 61 percent in 2024, which is still high, but a step in the right direction. Crawford is never going to be a power guy, but he does need to show he can drive the ball more and I think he’s heading in that direction. Remember, he’s not close to reaching his physical maturity max and more strength will lead to more line drives and fly balls without ever selling out for power. All that said, I don’t think he’s a Rookie of the Year candidate, not for 2025 at least. He needs a year of reps at the upper levels, so let’s revisit this in 2026, shall we?

https://www.mlb.com/news/pipeline-inbox-on-thayron-liranzo-bubba-chandler-tre-morgan-justin-crawford?partnerID=web_article-share

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Don53 says:

November 24, 2024 at 10:32 AM

Just seeing this posted now. Wonder if this might have been the earlier package at the deadline.

http://www.si.com/mlb/phillies as Philadelphia Phillies Trade Proposal Moves Two Top-100 Prospects for Left-Hander.

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1. PhilPhan says:
  
  November 24, 2024 at 11:38 AM
  
  nope
  
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  1. Fighterflea says:
    
    November 24, 2024 at 2:51 PM
    
    Kudos for “A Fan’s View”, in case there are those not familiar.
    
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2. oldruff says:
  
  November 24, 2024 at 5:33 PM
  
  Hoosier Don, Quite a load of prospects, huh? I got a question for you, but only answer it, yes or no. Do the numbers 26843 mean anything to you?
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    November 24, 2024 at 6:23 PM
    
    yes
    
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    1. oldruff says:
      
      November 24, 2024 at 6:51 PM
      
      Good, …… here’s a trivia ? or two for you. Who had the nickname the “Brat”! Who was the “master” of the delayed steal?
      
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      1. Don53 says:
        
        November 24, 2024 at 7:17 PM
        
        Guy, I knew in Mobile. I have a big envelope in my room from him. For some reason I always kept it
        
        This is a guess somewhat but believe a guy he played with on the Dodgers.
        
        May be wrong on #2. Might be Wills or Lopes.
        
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        oldruff says:
        
        November 24, 2024 at 7:56 PM
        
        See below.
        
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oldruff says:

November 24, 2024 at 7:38 PM

Well, maybe right on the team as this guy played on the Dodgers and different eras of baseball players get reputations, some redundant as discussions cross on subjects. Kinda a trick question. Your old coach was noted in his time for both, and also the harbinger of the “one” trip to the mound per inning rule! Thought you’d like that, have a good night.

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Don53 says:

November 24, 2024 at 8:07 PM

I believe there is a movie that both are in by the one’s first name. Am I correct? You are awesome. You as well.

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1. oldruff says:
  
  November 25, 2024 at 3:41 PM
  
  That movie is coming to a town near you …… Friday, I believe. Yes, it is in fact, Friday!
  
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Trollu says:

November 25, 2024 at 8:01 AM

Jim – any rumors surrounding Soto and Phillies? From what you’ve heard, what would you put their chances in signing Soto?

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Andrew R says:

November 25, 2024 at 8:20 AM

Does anybody think it is at all probable that a comment might have been made by JM to Boras about if we land Soto, we might be more inclined to extend Harper?

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Mark8 says:

November 25, 2024 at 8:43 AM

Peter Chawaga (?!?) of the Sporting News says the Phillies are out on the Soto sweepstakes.

On the trade front, Bob Nightengale reports that Bohm and Crawford are on the table for Crochet. ChiSox aren’t in love with Bohm, I saw in another post.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 25, 2024 at 9:47 AM
  
  That is why I think a three-way could be on the table….e.g. Bohm to the Mariners and they in turn sending prospects to CWSox.
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    November 25, 2024 at 11:17 AM
    
    Mariners apparently have Bohm interest. Need to Woo them. How soon do you think some of the big name’s guys start coming off the board? Thanksgiving? Or more like between then and Christmas?
    
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      November 25, 2024 at 2:01 PM
      
      Don…….with Boras as the agent in many cases……holidays mean nothing. Even opening day dates mean nothing.
      
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Don53 says:

November 25, 2024 at 11:22 AM

Here is the Bohm/Crochet article.

http://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball as White Sox, Phillies Discussing Potential Garrett Crochet-Alec Bohm Trade.

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1. Fighterflea says:
  
  November 25, 2024 at 12:02 PM
  
  Interesting when reading Nightengale or national reporters in general to see the perspective they offer. This reads like a White Sox perspective on Bohm, Crochet and, nominally, Crawford. A Philly perspective could include Bohm playing the latter part of the season with an injured hand, Crochet pitching on an innings limit and seemingly wanting an extension before exposing himself to health risks and Crawford now reportedly to get a shot in 2025, not later.
  
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v1again says:

November 25, 2024 at 12:12 PM

I voted yes. How about you?

https://x.com/PhilsTailgate/status/1861094115313688945

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1. Mark8 says:
  
  November 25, 2024 at 12:23 PM
  
  Yes, and I’ll drive Taijuan to the airport.
  
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  1. catch22hman says:
    
    November 25, 2024 at 12:36 PM
    
    Agree – that’s a pretty easy one. You pretty much have to say yes to that.
    
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  2. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    November 25, 2024 at 2:06 PM
    
    Mark8…you doing Uber now in retirement?
    
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      November 25, 2024 at 4:21 PM
      
      I went the RV route, Romus.
      
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2. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 25, 2024 at 2:04 PM
  
  If the Phillies believe Nori and Burkeholder are the future in centerfield….2027 or so, then yes.
  
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catch22hman says:

November 25, 2024 at 12:52 PM

As great as Crochet is or could be, I’ll say again that the Phillies’ biggest problem is hitting and not pitching. That line-up goes flat against good pitchers, chases at very high rates and goes cold on a minute’s notice. If they don’t address these problems, I don’t think they are going to win regardless of their pitching. The Wheeler playoff game showed that and it wasn’t an isolated event.

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ciada4202 says:

November 25, 2024 at 1:11 PM

I agree with Catch22 about the lack of timely hitting. I also think it would be a mistake to trade Crawford. My comp for Crawford is and has been Michael Harris of the Braves. Wouldn’t you want a Harris type player patrolling center field for ten years to come?

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1. dmar210 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 9:47 AM
  
  That is a pretty good more recent times player comp for Crawford…
  
  And I value you everyday position players much higher than I do SPs.
  
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Fighterflea says:

November 25, 2024 at 1:12 PM

If you’re the White Sox and peddling Crochet, you’re interested in players coming back offering lengthy team control and not guys who can become free agents as quickly as Crochet, following the 2026 season. I’ll admit I’m wrong if Bohm goes to the ChiSox in a deal for Crochet. And you don’t take a bad contract like Walker’s and why would you? Teams do that in desperation but why are you desperate if you’re taking offers on what appears to be the best starting pitcher on the market? The Sox can get a better SP than Walker for less in free agency.

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Don53 says:

November 25, 2024 at 2:31 PM

Bregman anyone?

Phillies are one big step away from landing the ideal clubhouse fit in Alex Bregman.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 25, 2024 at 2:59 PM
  
  Nola’s friend and roommate at LSU…..don’t quote me on it, but me thinks he was in Nola’s wedding party two years ago. I think it will come down to between the Tigers or Phillies….also read where Bregman will switch positions, if necessary in the future, to accommodate a team’s wishes.
  
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ciada4202 says:

November 25, 2024 at 3:41 PM

Don’t know why you’d want to move Bregman off 3B. He plays an excellent third base. They only get him if they trade Bohm.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 8:42 AM
  
  Bregman said it….he would be willing to move…assuming as he ages into the contract in his mid-thirties.
  
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Fighterflea says:

November 25, 2024 at 9:16 PM

The latest Phillies Show (Amaro, Salisbury, Zolecki) podcast is with the new team farm director, Luke Murton. It’s a pretty far ranging discussion but does offer interesting insight into how he sees Crawford, Miller, Painter and Kemp. Farm Directors don’t have overall say but you get the sense the Phils won’t casually move any of these 4 this off-season and that they’re not of a mind to hurry them upward.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 8:39 AM
  
  Too late ……all four will all see Triple A ball this season ( assuming Miller gets promoted to LHV in the 2nd half of his Reading season) and two of team could be in the majors by mid-point of the season.
  
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  1. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    November 26, 2024 at 8:40 AM
    
    ‘two of THEM’
    
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2. v1again says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 11:43 AM
  
  I didn’t listen to it, but I always take farm director’s comments with a grain of salt. They have to paint the optimistic view publicly. Even if they know the negative view also.
  
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  1. Fighterflea says:
    
    November 26, 2024 at 12:11 PM
    
    You’d have to listen to it to get the flavor. The guy’s new in his job (not new to the organization) so he’s not accomplished at blowing smoke. It’s a bit of who they like and why. A lot of what I call “prospect catechism” not linked to individuals. No effort to cover the waterfront of prospects. Asked to identify an under-the-radar prospect some might not be familiar with, he immediately named Kemp. Obviously the 4 are pretty familiar to readers here.
    
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    1. PhilPhan says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 3:25 PM
      
      I think it’s a bit different when answering those questions he answered on the podcast when you actually know the people as people too (he does obviously). Luke is a good guy, he truly connects with the kids (players) – it’s fun and educational to watch him coach when they are in the cages. As a daily observer at the complex I can attest to his sincerity in what he said. Folks can believe what they want to believe and obviously are entitled to their own opinions but the organization truly focuses on their mantra of “protecting the standard” and are very disciplined in how they administer the charter of it. I’ve been privileged to watch, listen and learn and then attempt to convey all that when I write. It’s been a big turnaround in communication since I first started observing back in 2015. Just sayin
      
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      1. PhilPhan says:
        
        November 26, 2024 at 3:51 PM
        
        Since I began writing I’ve interacted with four PD Directors (Joe Jordan, Josh Bonifay, Preston Mattingly and Luke Murton) and have received input from a 5th (Mike Arbuckle). Each has their own approach and beliefs in how they share information but when I’ve discussed players with them I’ve also found each to be pretty transparent. There are have been things I won’t write in my articles as they weren’t meant to be public but I’ve found them all to be open in chatting both PD philosophy and skill sets of players. I had a scout tell me who used to be a farm director that the PD job is one of the most thankless and difficult roles in pro baseball. I think that’s likely true based on what I’ve seen the past ten years.
        
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      November 26, 2024 at 3:25 PM
      
      I think it’s a bit different when answering those questions he answered on the podcast when you actually know the people as people too (he does obviously). Luke is a good guy, he truly connects with the kids (players) – it’s fun and educational to watch him coach when they are in the cages. As a daily observer at the complex I can attest to his sincerity in what he said. Folks can believe what they want to believe and obviously are entitled to their own opinions but the organization truly focuses on their mantra of “protecting the standard” and are very disciplined in how they administer the charter of it. I’ve been privileged to watch, listen and learn and then attempt to convey all that when I write. It’s been a big turnaround in communication since I first started observing back in 2015. Just sayin
      
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Mark8 says:

November 26, 2024 at 9:49 AM

Scott Lauber proposes Ranger to LAA for OF Taylor Ward who’s also played 3b in past seasons but not well enough. Wheeler, Crochet, Nola, Sanchez and Painter would make a pretty impressive rotation. Assume Ward would play LF but the lineup still needs another high contact bat.

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1. v1again says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 11:42 AM
  
  Ward had a nice lefty split: .325/.377/.496 for an .873 OPS.
  
  But he only batted .226 against RHP, albeit with a .310 OB% and a .718 OPS against RHP.
  
  Not sure that really changes anything tbh.
  
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2. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 2:21 PM
  
  Ward fits in with this lineup….more of the same with the whiff factor….25%
  
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Don53 says:

November 26, 2024 at 11:57 AM

Here is a Hoffman article.

MLB offseason: Top reliever Jeff Hoffman on his free agency – ESPN

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1. oldruff says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 12:32 PM
  
  Good read on Jeff …….. anxious to see if he leaves or stays.
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    November 26, 2024 at 12:49 PM
    
    Friday. Hmm.
    
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    1. oldruff says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 12:55 PM
      
      👍
      
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      1. Don53 says:
        
        November 26, 2024 at 5:21 PM
        
        I do not live close to any movie theaters.
        
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  2. rocco moffo says:
    
    November 26, 2024 at 1:51 PM
    
    Romus read Phillies signing international shortstop. On Jan 6 th. Cousins of Acuna. You know about him,?
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 2:34 PM
      
      rocco……Acuna sure does have many cousins it appears…Phillies already have another cuz in Aroon Escobar….and he could be a real sleeper in 2025.,,hopefully he is fully healthy next year.
      
      How about Rafael Marchan’s cousin Mosises Marchan….another catcher….Phillies may be in on him.
      
      As for Ronald’ Acuna’s cousin yuo asked…..possibly Nieves Izaguirre…a shortstop.
      
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      1. steved says:
        
        November 26, 2024 at 4:03 PM
        
        was reading a bout escobar, will be watching to see what he does this year for sure
        
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      2. rocco moffo says:
        
        November 26, 2024 at 6:44 PM
        
        Nieves is the guy I was asking about
        
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        romus159f1a47238 says:
        
        November 26, 2024 at 6:51 PM
        
        rocco…..here is an unofficial list of some of the leanings right now in the Phils’ division…NL-East–and their rank by MLB.
        
        2 Elian Pena SS Mets4 Andrew Salas SS/OF Marlins13 Brayan Cortesia SS Nationals14 Diego Tornes OF Braves39 Kevin Defrank RHP Marlins43 Nieves Izaguirre SS Phillies
        
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    2. MLL says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 2:40 PM
      
      You might be thinking of Ronald’s brother, Kenny, who reportedly committed to the Phillies earlier this year. He was 12 years old at the time so he won’t be eligible for a few more years still.
      
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      1. MLL says:
        
        November 26, 2024 at 2:42 PM
        
        https://www.usatodayhss.com/story/sports/high-school/2024/03/03/kenny-acuna-brother-of-ronald-agrees-to-sign-with-phillies/76224768007/
        
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    3. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 3:04 PM
      
      rocco….Marchan cousin Moises looks to be leaning to the Royals.
      
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Don53 says:

November 26, 2024 at 12:48 PM

Philadelphia Phillies dream rotation if they’re finally able to land Garrett Crochet.

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1. WestCoastPhan says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 2:52 PM
  
  Yes, sign Sasaki, trade for Crochet, and sign Soto and Bregman. That would be a good winter. Bregman slots in at 3B, Nick moves to LF, Marsh and Rojas platoon in center.
  
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  1. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    November 26, 2024 at 3:11 PM
    
    Of your four proposals. would you be happy on just a half a loaf-two, if it comes to fruition…..Crochet and Bregman?
    
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    1. oldruff says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 4:30 PM
      
      I’d buy a half-loaf ……. too many carbs in a full loaf.
      
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    2. Don53 says:
      
      November 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM
      
      Probably best odds on those 2. Others may be a far reach.
      
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Don53 says:

November 26, 2024 at 5:23 PM

Phillies blockbuster trade proposal swaps Ranger Suárez for 25-HR slugger

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1. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 8:18 PM
  
  Why not publish the article this guy references and quotes. Give Scott Lauber, a Phillies beat writer, the clicks rather than this Newsweek/Sporting News/Bitcoin Magazine hack. He’s so up on the Phillies that he writes that Ward can help the Phillies “by filling in for Johan Rojas in left field”. I also noticed that his first two paragraphs were word-for-word from an article I read last week. Maybe one of his?
  
  This guy isn’t writing about rumors he’s dug up on his own or trades he dreams up on his own but rather other peoples’ work. The guys from the Sporting News do similar. They all make up some eye-catching title and the actual article is a big letdown. I’m already tired of the offseason.
  
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Don53 says:

November 26, 2024 at 6:24 PM

Plesac on MLB Tonight thinks Phillies move Bohm. Then make a strong move for Bregman. Adames is a second choice but not likely to want to move to 3rd. Believes Bregman would fit really well for the Phillies. FWIW

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1. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 8:25 PM
  
  This is inaccurate. Nightengale made the same mistake. It’s just a timing thing. If the Phillies trade Alec Bohm, they won’t do so and then go looking for a replacement. They will have already come to an agreement with a player who makes Bohm redundant. Trying to sign a free agent or trade for a third baseman after trading Bohm would unnecessarily drive the price of the replacement up. The portion in italics is just my opinion.
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    November 26, 2024 at 9:11 PM
    
    I agree with you Jim. A deal will be done before Bohm being moved. Seems there is some multiple interest by teams for Bohm.
    
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2. Tac3 says:
  
  November 26, 2024 at 8:36 PM
  
  he wants 200m+ over 5-6 yrs… that’s a little too rich for me
  
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Don53 says:

November 27, 2024 at 9:36 AM

Snell to the Dodgers. They may have a 10-man rotation going forward. LOL Romus maybe you have a shot for that 11th spot.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 9:47 AM
  
  Hah…….with the Yankees, Dodgers and Mets dishing out the $$$$$….MLB may have to go to a three- tier market system for teams…..Large, Medium and Small for Revenue Sharing purposes.
  
  Dodgers just keep grabbing the top-tier pitchers…..Sasaki probably next.
  
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  1. oldruff says:
    
    November 27, 2024 at 10:11 AM
    
    Large, medium, small and peewee (Oakland & Miami).
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 27, 2024 at 10:20 AM
      
      Oakland will soon be Vegas in perhaps 2027 and in the new park in 2028….and then the $$$$ will be there. Willing to bet the Vegas ownership will see if Harper and Stott will be available in trade in that off-season for that 2028 grand opening…the local flavor draw.
      
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      1. oldruff says:
        
        November 27, 2024 at 10:51 AM
        
        Interesting point, we could be due for a rework by that time so, timing may be perfect.
        
        Saw an article this morning where the Bronx Bombers might be interested in Bohm to replace Rizzo, might be palatable. Have a nice Thanksgiving!🦃
        
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        romus159f1a47238 says:
        
        November 27, 2024 at 2:11 PM
        
        Skeet…..you also have a nice Thanksgiving.
        
        I still think the Yankees will go after Alonso if Cohen gets Soto.
        
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      2. Andrew R says:
        
        November 27, 2024 at 1:30 PM
        
        Nobody is going to go watch baseball in 114-degree heat.
        
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        romus159f1a47238 says:
        
        November 27, 2024 at 2:08 PM
        
        The new ball park will a have a quasi ‘retractable glass-roof’. Though it is covered by a roof, the stadium features the “world’s largest cable-net glass window” to provide “an outdoor feel with views of the city’s skyline.” Fans will have no trouble seeing stats for their favorite players inside the new stadium, as it will have an 18,000-square-foot video board, the largest of any
        
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        November 27, 2024 at 2:09 PM
        
        Indoors they will….glass-roof
        
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  2. Tac3 says:
    
    November 27, 2024 at 11:45 AM
    
    MLB needs to step in and prevent Sasaki from going to the Dodgers. You can’t let one team get Ohtani, Yomamoto, and Sasaki … thats some BS.
    
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    1. Mark8 says:
      
      November 27, 2024 at 1:36 PM
      
      Annoying to say the least, I agree, but you can’t tell a player where he can’t play. At least not in a free market.
      
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      1. Tac3 says:
        
        November 27, 2024 at 6:15 PM
        
        I agree that you “can’t” tell a player he can’t’ play somewhere… so… just don’t tell’ ‘em 🙂
        
        Tell the Dodgers!
        
        I see your point, in this case .. I’d pull out my every sliding ethics scale. Sasaki would not be playing for the Dodgers. He can play for SF if he wants California so bad.
        
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romus159f1a47238 says:

November 27, 2024 at 9:44 AM

Dodgers just keep coming……Blake Snell agreed to a five-year, $182 million contract with the Dodgers.

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1. Don53 says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 11:18 AM
  
  Romus. You are late to the party. LOL. I posted that a few posts up and you replied. Must be an age factor. I still have not figured out how oldruff knows the movies in my area. LOL I said Romus you may claim that 11 spot. Romus Sasaki. Nice ring to it.
  
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  1. rocco moffo says:
    
    November 27, 2024 at 12:35 PM
    
    Don when you hit 89 you will forget too, Oh you are 85 i forgot
    
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  2. oldruff says:
    
    November 27, 2024 at 4:50 PM
    
    Don ……. there are 4 different showings of the movie we discussed, this Friday, I’d look at them all …….. have a great 🦃 Thanksgiving!
    
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    1. Don53 says:
      
      November 27, 2024 at 5:04 PM
      
      oldruff…. likewise, for you. I will have to look and see where they may be at. It is to get really cold here on Friday thru Sunday. Brr.
      
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RU says:

November 27, 2024 at 11:41 AM

Just got a great picture of a DODGERS logo saying –

DEFERRED across the players chest. I wonder if the fans have to pay to see the games anymore – or they just issue the team an I-O-U ?? If you buy a hotdog do you get one quarter of it today and then the rest over the balance of your season ticket plan. I guess they can have a billion $ payroll with no penalty as long as they can stretch it our till 2050 ? They are making the Yankees look like pikers.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 2:14 PM
  
  Teams and agents always try to get a work-around on the financial restrictions/rules….then MLB steps in when the other 20 or so team owners start to complain….you know the ‘ integrity of the game’ excuses.
  
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Don53 says:

November 27, 2024 at 4:18 PM

An emergency Phillies-White Sox trade to keep competition away from Garrett Crochet.

Thoughts.

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1. Tac3 says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 6:28 PM
  
  Piggybacking off Jim’s comment. If you trade Bohm, you have to have an agreement on another player – Unless you’re going Sosa/Kemp at 3rd. It seems you’d go Bregman. If thats the case, it makes a lot of sense to include Walker’s contract. They will need a SP back in a way, and the Phillies need the salary relief to sign Bregman from what his rumored asking price is…
  
  Giving up Crawford & Bohm is tough. Crochet has to be the real deal for them to make this move. Can’t be wrong on that. If he is, The SR is set for so long, it will make the Braves Maddux Glavine, Smoltz era look weak.
  
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2. Bob D says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 7:02 PM
  
  I like the Crotchet trade (reluctantly), but I hope they don’t trade Suarez afterwards. That would remind me of trading Lee to make room for Halladay years ago.
  
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rocco moffo says:

November 27, 2024 at 4:44 PM

The way the dodgers spread out contracts. Signing Soto and the Japanese pitcher is very possible.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 5:21 PM
  
  rocco….if baseball wasn’t such a traditionist sport…..they would have already had two separate conferences….a Large market conference and a Small market conference……..with play-offs within each and the winner of that particular conference goes to the WS……thus guarantees a Small market team always in the WS.
  
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  1. rocco moffo says:
    
    November 27, 2024 at 6:04 PM
    
    Hate to say it. But need a hard cap.. no penalty you cant. go over that’s it. Level the field . Also love to see Marlins disbanded. There a disgrace. No market. Owners makes money by not trying to win.
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      November 27, 2024 at 6:28 PM
      
      rocco…..agree…hard cap is needed…like NFL and NHL….but union opposes it, and will not agree in the CBAs on it..
      
      And always wondered why Orlando was not considered an area for a MLB team, especially with Miami not drawing
      
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    2. SoCal Phan says:
      
      November 30, 2024 at 1:04 PM
      
      What baseball needs to do is mimic NFL – secure ALL TV monies into one pool, then disperse equally.
      
      Then as opposed to a hard cap, progressively fine draft picks / international signing money.
      
      Finally, cap deferred money at 20% of Cap Threshold. Deferred really hurts the health of the game.
      
      Dodgers keep signing folks, well they effectively have 0 Top 10 picks and $0 International Money to 2030.
      
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Don53 says:

November 27, 2024 at 5:06 PM

They may just sign them all. Eliminate the competition.

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1. rocco moffo says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 6:06 PM
  
  Don . Michigan football just paid a High School kid 12 million to attend school..Did you get that when you played ?
  
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  1. oldruff says:
    
    November 27, 2024 at 7:41 PM
    
    Rocco, …… remember when you had to gather all your families savings and work after school to afford to go to college ……… seems like a long time ago doesn’t it? Have a nice Thanksgiving 🦃 tomorrow and remember ……. push away from the buffet!
    
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Don53 says:

November 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM

Guys. Have a nice Thanksgiving. College sports is getting the same as MLB. Haves and have nots. Caps would help for parity.

Rocco. I saw Michigan flipped the QB. 12M is a lot. Mine was a little less.

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1. RU says:
  
  November 27, 2024 at 11:49 PM
  
  So you might have decided to buy back all of those vintage Mantle baseball cards after all – now is the time to spend ?
  
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murrayfein says:

November 28, 2024 at 8:06 AM

All the rumors have been about Crochet and while he’s very good our biggest need is still in the OF. I wonder if they could be talking about a Crochet/Robert package. That would make more sense to me, especially if Crawford is in the deal. Then they could flip Ranger for a 3b because Bregman and Adames want way too much money. Then they could sign a righty hitting LF to share time with Marsh, sign Hoffman and another arm and they’re done.

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rocco moffo says:

November 28, 2024 at 8:57 AM

Happy Thanksgiving . To all. Romus our dinner is at 4. Today. It’s Wendys on broad and Champost. It’s byob

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 28, 2024 at 10:27 AM
  
  rocco…..gotcha….unwrapping Thanksgiving dinner is the best.
  
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  1. rocco moffo says:
    
    November 28, 2024 at 10:39 AM
    
    i bought two bottles of Ripple good wine
    
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    1. Don53 says:
      
      November 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM
      
      Happy Thanksgiving guys. Rocco that is really nice to invite Romus. Sounds like after dinner you guys will be able to watch the Cowboys for a post dinner feast. They may even win today though season of 0-5 at home says no.
      
      I really enjoy the chance to visit with all of you here. Hoping the Phillies can make some moves to improve for 2025. Romus. You will like this. After IU basketball only lost by about 30 yesterday one of the posters is called IUPhillies. So, I may not be the only Phillies fan in Indiana. That is reassuring. I had never seen him post before.
      
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    2. oldruff says:
      
      November 28, 2024 at 12:06 PM
      
      Are the seeds and skins still in there, that’s how you tell …… if it’s exceptional. If it leaves a little something for a pinch between your cheeks and gum it’s first rate!🏆
      
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jimpeyton19 says:

November 28, 2024 at 1:35 PM

Don et al, regarding the trade for Crochet in the latest article Don posted, how is Bohm, Crawford, Caba, Walker an emergency response that would get the White Sox to pull the trigger on a trade. Bohm will be a free agent before the White Sox contend and Walker is an anchor that pulls down the value of any trade in which he is included.

While the Phillies would like to close a deal before the Snell signing drives his former suitors to the Sox and Crochet, the Sox can certainly hold out for a better prospect package that doesn’t include a Walker type.

A while back I alluded to a possible package the Phillies offered at the trade deadline. The actual trade was Crochet for Crawford, Tait, Caba, Sanchez, Rojas. The White Sox said no to that. They countered with a request that Miller be included and talks broke off.

I bet you that Miller, Crawford, Tait, Caba would get the trade done. Maybe Miller’s inclusion would induce them to accept Walker. In either case, I’m reluctant to make the trade.

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1. rocco moffo says:
  
  November 28, 2024 at 2:30 PM
  
  jim wouldn’t that guy our system?
  
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    November 28, 2024 at 3:23 PM
    
    Guy
    
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  2. jimpeyton19 says:
    
    November 28, 2024 at 6:44 PM
    
    Gut? They are 4 of our top 5 prospects as ranked by MLB’s Pipeline. In year’s past, yes, this trade would gut the system. But, regardless of org rankings, the Phillies are deeper than at any time in the past dozen years.
    
    If this trade were accepted, our top 2 prospects would be pitchers at the top rung of the organization followed by 2 outfielders who were just drafted. The depth probably swings back to the lower levels. We would still have interesting prospects in Painter, Abel, Nori, Burkholder, Saltiban, Rincones, Cabrera, Johnson, McFarlane, Chace, Graves. Kemp, Ottenbreit, and my breakout favorite Aroon Escobar.
    
    I watched a lot of exercising the past several weeks at the Complex. Burkholder and Escobar were in the rehab group and took groundballs and/or fly balls every day. The last couple weeks they and a couple campers took BP outdoors. When he wasn’t constricted by the drill that Luke Merton had him doing, Burkholder displayed some easy power to both alleys. Escobar showed some pull power and an extremely quick bat. Just somethings to look forward to.
    
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    1. jimpeyton19 says:
      
      November 28, 2024 at 6:49 PM
      
      So, it wouldn’t quite gut the system. Supposedly, it would support the current window. Hopefully, the system would recover during the rest of the window. I’m still reluctant to make the trade.
      
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      1. Don53 says:
        
        November 29, 2024 at 9:24 AM
        
        Jim. Besides the Phillies who has the prospects that will satisfy the White Sox. The only team that I have seen mentioned is the Orioles but not much reference to them and Crochet. One would think it has to be a team in the win now mode. That eliminates many teams. Who else do you see as potential suitors?
        
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      November 29, 2024 at 8:16 AM
      
      Wondering if the Phillies Chase can turn into a Guardians’ Clase.
      
      Moises definitively has the right stuff in his arsenal….and he will be in LHV at some point this season. However, I believe he will start again in Reading.
      
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2. v1again says:
  
  November 30, 2024 at 9:31 AM
  
  The package of Crawford, Tait, Caba, Sanchez, Rojas is a massive haul for CWS. I heard that they were interested in the Phillies package but decided to hold off. Seeing that now makes it clear.
  
  The inclusion of Crawford, Tait, Caba and Rojas all make sense to me. The inclusion of Sanchez has me scratching my head. 24yo all-star starting pitchers locked up for 6 years don’t come around often. No question that Crochet is better than Sanchez. But not by a huge margin. IMO Sanchez is really good. That is a heavy prospect price to pay just for that upgrade. I would be against that package too.
  
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  1. v1again says:
    
    November 30, 2024 at 10:48 AM
    
    Thinking more about this package and the inclusion of Sanchez really makes no sense. Like it is so illogical it is hard to believe, unless the Phillies FO thinks that Shanchez’s exceptional performance last year was a fluke based on pitch metrics.
    
    As a 24yo last year, Sanchez was:
    -5th in FIP
    -6th in fWAR
    -18th in ERA
    -17th in BB/9
    -3rd in ground ball rate
    -24th in K/BB
    
    I mean that is an excellent starting pitcher. To do that at 24 is very rare. So it is hard to understand why they would give him up along with 3 of the top 5 prospects for a slight upgrade. Again unless they feel like they were selling high on him. Or unless the league GMs do not think very highly of Crawford, Tait and Caba. Which also seems wrong.
    
    That package is a head scratcher.
    
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3. v1again says:
  
  November 30, 2024 at 9:40 AM
  
  Another interesting takeaway from this report is that they were willing to include a 24yo all-star SP under team control who was in the middle of a 3.4 WAR season but not include Aidan Miller. That gives you a real sense of what they think of Miller. Like they think that he will be a star and they think that’s the probable outcome. Because otherwise it makes no sense to include Sanchez instead of Miller.
  
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gmwannabe says:

November 29, 2024 at 8:20 AM

Oldruff… Great classic commercial. are you Walt Garrison?

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gmwannabe says:

November 29, 2024 at 8:54 AM

4 of the top 5 traded. you’ve got to be kidding me. Koufax yes. Crochet, what has he really proved. That sounds like a trade from El Fleece’ (Ruben Amaro). the WS would run to the Fax machine to accept that.

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 29, 2024 at 9:33 AM
  
  Agreed. Perhaps wait out the WSox and the price may come down.
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    November 29, 2024 at 11:38 AM
    
    Seems some others have the players Sox may want.
    
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romus159f1a47238 says:

November 29, 2024 at 9:35 AM

Don/rocco….looks like early indications are it will be the Hoosiers coming to Happy Valley vs the Nits in the first play-off game next month.

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1. Don53 says:
  
  November 29, 2024 at 11:40 AM
  
  It looks that way at the moment. That would be good for either. Stay away from the OSU bracket. Most likely ND or PSU if all 3 win this weekend. Stay away from the 8 vs 9 game.
  
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DHoucky says:

November 29, 2024 at 10:13 AM

giving up Sanchez is the biggest problem of that deal.

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Fighterflea says:

November 29, 2024 at 10:23 AM
Within the life of Crochet’s team control (2years) , the Phils need to:
1. Identify their #1 catcher going forward
2. Deepen their starting rotation
3. Identify their starting CF going forward
4. Identify their left fielder going forward
5. Identify their RF going forward.
6. Anticipate the need to have a successor if Turner is moved off SS
I guess the fact that there are so many needs causes me to hate the trade ideas/rumors involving Crochet. In the interest of serving one need, the trade pushes us further away from taking care of the many other needs.

To me you-sign Hoffman and make him a starter or you get a depth starter in free agency, while moving forward in these other areas. The Phils and White Sox don’t match-up while Crochet’s value is so high. You pass on him now and, if he’s not moved, you revisit the situation at the trade deadline when the Phils knows lot more about the trade chips they’d have to offer. In the meantime, you work on all the areas of need, not just one.

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Don53 says:

November 29, 2024 at 11:36 AM

This may answer the question I asked Jim on potential teams with the prospects to land Crochet. I knew O’s. Plus, Dodgers are in on all great players right now. Forgot Red Sox.

MLB rumors name 4 MLB teams in the mix for Garrett Crochet trade, including Boston Red Sox

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Mark8 says:

November 29, 2024 at 2:40 PM

Scott Lauber posted a piece today on the viability of moving Bryce to the OF in lieu of trying to completely overhaul the outfield when it might be easier to find a good bat in a 1B-man. I like Harper as a 1b now that he’s had almost 2 seasons at the chill corner under his belt. Don’t see much sense in it but Lauber makes a fair case. I think we all agree that at least 2/3 of the OF need more permanent residents. Soto would fix RF. I can see Bryce in LF. I’ve heard/seen comments in the past about Trea Turner moving to CF. So, maybe the bigger challenge going forward isn’t the OF but perhaps getting a better handle on who’ll be on the infield within the next 2+ years. Just spit balling….

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 29, 2024 at 5:22 PM
  
  Well if just spit-balling then, ….Harper to LF, sign Alonso for 1B……trade Castellanos, Rincones and Abel to Angels for Trout in RF…and Crawford to CF after seeing if Rojas can bat a little more than he has so far.
  
  Bohm and Marchan to the Mariners for Woo and c Harry Ford, …Woo, Ford, Ranger and Marsh to the WSox for Crochet.
  
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  1. Tac3 says:
    
    November 29, 2024 at 5:34 PM
    
    it is Black Friday 🤷‍♂️
    
    If any superstar would be on discount, it would be Trout!
    
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  2. oldruff says:
    
    November 29, 2024 at 5:44 PM
    
    Woooooo that’s alot of movement …….. and you gotta FordRanger thrown in there for the Phanatic …
    
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  3. Don53 says:
    
    November 30, 2024 at 10:44 AM
    
    Trader Ro. You will need Rudolph for all the travel connections.
    
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Don53 says:

November 29, 2024 at 2:47 PM

oldruff. Thanks.

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1. oldruff says:
  
  November 29, 2024 at 3:22 PM
  
  👍☺️
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    December 1, 2024 at 11:31 AM
    
    ?. 3 or 4. I have 3.
    
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    1. oldruff says:
      
      December 1, 2024 at 12:27 PM
      
      look again
      
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    2. oldruff says:
      
      December 1, 2024 at 12:29 PM
      
      2 NY, 1 st. L Mgr, 1 player
      
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      1. Don53 says:
        
        December 1, 2024 at 12:37 PM
        
        1 Giants. 1 Cards. 1 Sox-Mgr. Just looked again. Is it hidden?
        
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        oldruff says:
        
        December 1, 2024 at 12:39 PM
        
        they kinda stick together because of the plastic jackets. 2 sox not ny.
        
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        Don53 says:
        
        December 1, 2024 at 12:41 PM
        
        #15, #30, #80 on back. I will look again. I checked for that.
        
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        Don53 says:
        
        December 1, 2024 at 12:45 PM
        
        Correct 4. #6 was sticking.
        
        You are so nice. Thank you.
        
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        oldruff says:
        
        December 1, 2024 at 12:50 PM
        
        #’s are accessed values by collectors.
        
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rocco moffo says:

November 30, 2024 at 3:14 PM

All I want for Christmas is . What?

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  November 30, 2024 at 8:11 PM
  
  rocco…..What?…..A PSU Championship……looks like the unlikely happen …Michgan won…so Lions play the Ducks….rematch of the Rose Bowl of ’94 with Ki-Jana Carter…..and apparently no Hoosiers vs PSU match-up in the works
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    December 1, 2024 at 11:30 AM
    
    PSU vs IU is still a possibility if PSU lose to Oregon. The thing that messes up the seeds is the conference champions getting the top 4 seeds. Likely at least 2 and maybe 3 are not ranked in the top 4.
    
    Georgia, Boise or UNLV, SMU or Clemson will not be ranked in top 4 but may win their conference title. Just have to wait to see how things play out.
    
    ND is almost a lock now for number 5. They cannot be higher. PSU now has chance to be seeded #1 as well.
    
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    1. romus159f1a47238 says:
      
      December 1, 2024 at 2:17 PM
      
      Assume the Bryce Harper household is sad…..wife is a Buckeye alum.
      
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      1. oldruff says:
        
        December 1, 2024 at 2:52 PM
        
        I really feel badly for her, you know😥😓😩 I could cry all Day!😅
        
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I(HEART)PP says:

December 2, 2024 at 1:43 AM

So, if you had to choose a free agent pitcher to go after, would it be Fried from Atlanta, Buhler from the Dodgers, or Sasaki and why?

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1. dmar210 says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 11:58 AM
  
  For me personally I’m not into putting any more money into the starting rotation so I’d be looking at all of the BP arms that are available. No pure closers but its a deep list with guys that get you quality outs on the regular.
  
  Mets just picked up Montas 2/$34 and the Cubs grabbed Boyd 2/$29.
  
  If you somehow figure out how to add Profar or Santander for LF you immediately become a bunch better team
  
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2. dmar210 says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 11:58 AM
  
  For me personally I’m not into putting any more money into the starting rotation so I’d be looking at all of the BP arms that are available. No pure closers but its a deep list with guys that get you quality outs on the regular.
  
  Mets just picked up Montas 2/$34 and the Cubs grabbed Boyd 2/$29.
  
  If you somehow figure out how to add Profar or Santander for LF you immediately become a bunch better team
  
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  1. Don53 says:
    
    December 2, 2024 at 1:10 PM
    
    dmar. Here is one that talks about Profar as you mention above.
    
    Phillies News: 3 Alternatives for Philadelphia’s Failed Juan Soto Pursuit as GM Refuses to ‘Move’ Bryce Harper
    
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3. Tac3 says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 6:01 PM
  
  Id take Sasaki. The hype train has been pretty real on him. It would accomplish a few things too – 1) the dodgers dont get him 2) neither do the Mets 3) Could help Phillies land more Japanese stars. After him, I’d go Fried. Weaken a strong division rival, and would really only need him for half the season & playoffs. I feel like Fried may have to sign a prove it contract. Or at least one with opt outs to max his value. I’d go Buhler last. Really I’d spend it on the pen instead.
  
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4. Fighterflea says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 6:16 PM
  
  Back end starters are signing in the $14-15 M a year range on multi-year deals. The Phils should sign Hoffman as a fifth starter (3 years @ $12 M per). If Painter is ready at mid-year and everyone’s healthy, move Hoffman to the pen for the back half. You get 130 innings from Hoffman, 85 or so from Painter. I haven’t seen a more economical, viable option.
  
  Sign Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates.
  
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  1. Fighterflea says:
    
    December 2, 2024 at 6:32 PM
    
    Keep Sasaki in play but he won’t sign till January. He’s a long shot for the Phils but they could compete with Hoffman if need be.
    
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rocco moffo says:

December 2, 2024 at 8:09 AM

Fried to replace Ranger if i could get something of value for Ranger

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 9:37 AM
  
  rocco……Fried has had his health issues these last two years. Could be somewhat risky. But when he is completely healthy, he is a a one or two, depending on what one’s definition is of those rotation pieces.
  
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Mark8 says:

December 2, 2024 at 9:05 AM

My pet peeve for the hot stove season (which many of us might otherwise enjoy) is all the click bait trade proposals, which are fine if half of them weren’t copied and pasted by countless other outlets with no original ideas of their own. Even most so-called baseball insiders can’t seem to get their own sources straight. C’mon, man!

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1. Trollu says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 5:36 PM
  
  i have the same pet peeve. It’s annoying when fans share those clickbait articles as well.
  hoping Jim has some juicy rumors for us
  
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romus159f1a47238 says:

December 2, 2024 at 4:19 PM

Future Dodger…..Murakami—in 2026. Japan HR king.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=muraka000mun

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Tac3 says:

December 2, 2024 at 6:02 PM

So … How confident are we that one of these rumored trade for the Phillies goes down at the winter meetings?

Does Soto sign at the winter meetings?

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1. B says:
  
  December 3, 2024 at 6:58 AM
  
  The rumors are just that and probably have just a bit of truth behind them. They want to improve the swing and miss in the lineup, well trading Bohm is doesn’t really help there as he does not strike out excessively. Now Casty, Schwarbs, and Marsh have high K rates. Schwarbs likely staying put as he homers and walks a lot, so my guess is the other two are more likely to be traded over Bohm. Plus the team does not have to move any of these players unless there is an offer to good to pass up.
  
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RU says:

December 2, 2024 at 6:35 PM

Other than rank speculation I really don’t see much about the Phillies and their winter desires or intentions. We can guess based upon evident needs but you never quite get names attached to those needs. My take is the Phillies are very very secretive and reveal little about their goals. I think Jim would agree with that statement. So for all the guesswork – we likely won’t know what happens until it does. Do they or don’t they have interest in Soto ? We still don’t even know that ?

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1. romus159f1a47238 says:
  
  December 2, 2024 at 7:03 PM
  
  Concerning Soto….been seeing the Blue Jays will break their bank and top off with the best offer. Whether or not he goes to play in Canada is another issue. They had the best offer for Ohtani last year.
  
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murrayfein says:

December 2, 2024 at 9:27 PM

Meetings are next week, things will happen then. Soto is not coming here, Sasaki is not coming here either. I think they’re trying to get a SP because they see Ranger as a tradeable asset if they can get a replacement. I don’t think they’re paying Hoffman to be a SP but there is a chance he comes back as a RP. Moves are coming…

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ciada4202 says:

December 3, 2024 at 8:12 AM

BOO to the Golden At-Bat.

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1. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  December 3, 2024 at 12:37 PM
  
  Agree
  
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  1. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    December 3, 2024 at 3:44 PM
    
    This was the game of traditions…now turning into the game of gimmicks.
    
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Mark8 says:

December 3, 2024 at 11:11 AM

More spitballing here…if the Phillies can acquire Crochet with Bohm involved in the trade – be it a 2-team or 3-team deal with Seattle getting him – would anyone entertain the idea of sliding Trea to 3b, sliding Stott back to SS, and having Edmundo sure up the infield D at 2b. If they are going for a big $$$ bat in the OF (which I believe is a bigger MUST than 3b with Miller in the pipeline), then I think that offsets whatever offense they’d lose trading Bohm.

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1. oldruff says:
  
  December 3, 2024 at 12:35 PM
  
  The last move, Sosa to 2b, I wouldn’t see that as a good move. Sosa everyday will expose his warts. I believe there is a reason he is bench player.
  
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2. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  December 3, 2024 at 12:37 PM
  
  I’ve seen suggestions that move Turner to CF and now 3B. He hasn’t played CF since 2016. He never played 3B. Why not 2B? It’s a middle infield position and should be easier to get acclimated there. And, he has actually played more innings at 2B than CF and as recently as 2021. Then move Stott’s almost gold glove to SS until Miller comes up. He may get reps at 3B and 2B this season, but he is and will remain primarily a SS.
  
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  1. romus159f1a47238 says:
    
    December 3, 2024 at 1:59 PM
    
    I think if all the rumors are true and come about with Bohm moving on in a trade, they will make a concerted effort to sign Bregman.
    
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    1. catch22hman says:
      
      December 3, 2024 at 2:15 PM
      
      So not a fan of the Bregman contract which, in a few years will be another anchor that limits their options.
      
      I’d much rather they overpay on a 3 year deal, but I suspect it will be 5 or 6 years and it won’t be cheap.
      
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      1. romus159f1a47238 says:
        
        December 3, 2024 at 2:55 PM
        
        Yep…..the owner however has other ideas when it comes to his money. Just hope the Phillies do not go down the road of the Angels. I do think Middleton has a little more savvy than Moreno.
        
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      December 3, 2024 at 5:05 PM
      
      If that is their plan, I firmly believe they will have Bohm’s replacement (whether Bregman or someone else) in hand before trading Bohm.
      
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        December 3, 2024 at 5:43 PM
        
        Agreed. Things could be greased between Bregman’s agent and the Phillies, and between the Phillies and whatever team is interested in Bohm. When it comes to these domino chain of events, I have more faith in the free agent and his agent sticking with the purported plan, then any other GM desiring Bohm in a trade. So I can see the trade being done first, and soon after the announcement of the free agent signing…..if that is what the Phillies have in mind.
        
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RU says:

December 3, 2024 at 6:12 PM

I agree that DD is not going to trade Bohm before he has his replacement – either with a handshake deal with player and agent (like a Bregman) – or having already acquired the 3B or utility player known to play 3rd. To trade Bohm without a replacement exposes DD’s “hand” and he would then have to deal from a position of weakness. Don’t see that happening.

Given our team’s maturity I really don’t see any problem with Arenado – provided he comes with a good amount of his salary being subsidized (over and above what Colorado pays him now). I think it would rejuvenate him and he is still a top fielder. He would likely provide 85% of Bohm’s offense.

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Sitcomics says:

December 3, 2024 at 10:53 PM

I really don’t get this idea of dealing Ranger. It’s his contract year. He has everything to prove in 2025 if he wants to get extremely well-paid for the next five or more years. He’s been an ace in the past, including last year until his injury. If that’s behind him, he may be gearing up to have the best year of his career. Don’t sell him low now. If he underperforms, then let him walk. Or if he starts well and loses it again then pick him up as insurance on a very team-friendly one or two year deal. If, as I suspect, he over-performs in 2025, he will probably be a big reason the Phils go deep into the playoffs and they’ll be in the best position to re-sign him long term.

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1. jimpeyton19 says:
  
  December 4, 2024 at 12:34 AM
  
  I’m closing this article. New discussion at
  
  2024-25 Offseason Roster and Payroll Information (updated) | Phuture Phillies
  
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