Box Score Recap – 8/8/2013

Box Score Recap

Zach Green went deep again, his tenth. He leads the league in HR and is second in Ks…just to temper your enthusiasm a little. 19 year olds don’t hit double digit homeruns in 200 NYPL PAs without real power, and real power will take you a long way up the ladder if you can harness it. If his K rate is exploitable, (you’d have to think it will be at some level), then he may crash and burn, but for now: WOO DINGERS!!!!!

Elsewhere, Jesse Biddle somehow walked 7 men in 6 innings and did not allow a run. WOO NO RUNS!!!!!

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130808

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63 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/8/2013”

      1. 100%. It just seems like with shoulder injuries, guys maintain most of their velocity and stuff, but they lost the strikezone completely. Look at Halladay. He was still CLOSE to his career norms in velo. But, he couldn’t command to save his life.

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            1. there was an article the other day where the Reading pitching coach was talking about Biddle’s lack of control and it all stemmed from him losing his arm angle and not staying on top of the ball.

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  3. So how the hell did Biddle lose this much control? I’ve heard anything from a lingering illness to blisters. But still, I’m worried.

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  4. Franco .154 / .196 / .256 the last 10 days (1/3 BB/K), and down to .273 / .311 / .394 post-ASB (4/12 BB/K).

    He keeps putting the ball in play, but not gettting the same results.

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        1. No he wouldn’t, really. He’s already a far superior defensive player and has walked at a good clip at every level (prior to AA, which is a SSS). Franco’s power should carry him regardless, so he’s got that head-start, but Dugan has a lot of tools.

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          1. Dugan seems to lack the sexiness of some of our other prospects, and I think his reputation has suffered a bit from the perception that he was an overdraft; a perception that was reinforced with him being more or less a no-show for his first two years in the system. I wouldn’t go so far as to say his profile looks better than Franco, but I think it’s very fair to *wonder* if where he falls on the proximity/ceiling matrix makes him a better prospect than Asche, Joseph, Tocci and Quinn (i.e., the other top position prospects not names Maikel). I think well-founded arguments can be made for each of those guys, (except maybe Joseph, with what we know now).

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          2. Franco, from most reports is average at third, so unless Kelly’s some kind of star in the OF (he isn’t), I don’t know how you can say that he’s far superior on defense. Dugan’s playing a less valuable defensive position too.

            Plus, Franco’s a full 2 years younger. I’m gonna have to agree with ramsey here.

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          3. Fangraphs and BRef both put the difference between LF/RF and 3B at around 10 runs over 150 games, so even if Dugan is a very good fielder, the position+defense will probably favor Franco.

            The peripherals also favor Franco. If you’re going to ignore Dugan’s microscopic AA BB%, you can’t really hold Franco’s against him either. If we look at the last few years, we’re talking about a guy with an above average BB/K rate (Franco) due to his low strikeout rate, and a guy who walks a little more but strikes out a LOT more in Dugan. So if Dugan brings is K% down from ~25% to ~19%, that gets him to barely even with Franco in BB/K.

            Franco has shown more power overall, whether measured by ISO or SLG/AVG.

            BABIP favors Dugan, but his .320 rate in AA is probably closer to what we can expect going forward, and that doesn’t give him much of an edge over Franco.

            Hmm, I feel like I’m forgetting something…

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          4. ‘He’s already a far superior defensive player’…interesting, Dugan said last month Franco is the best third baseman he has seen in the minors.

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  6. Is Daniel Child being fast-tracked? It looks like he is staying at Clearwater, as opposed to returning to GCL. It would make sense considering the need for inexpensive, but reliable, bullpen help given the lack of progression/stagnation/injuries to other RP prospects, e.g. Aumont, Giles, Simon, Rosenberg, Stutes (I include him because he hasn’t been able to contribute for two years now), etc. Maybe he can get to Reading by Summer next year and be on the horizon for late 2014/early 2015.

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    1. I was wondering that same thing. If they think he’s got zero chance to be a starter, and he’s getting guys out at A+, then why not leave him there and start him back there next year like you might anyway for a college reliever. Little value in sending him to Lakewood or Williamsport for 3 weeks if he’s not harming his progress in CLR.

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      1. Child is a big boy. Interesting that zero earned in Clearwater comes with zero Ks over five innings. Certainly someone to follow though

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    1. How many days until he’s been signed for a year…hmm…he’ll just have to be a ptbnl until then.

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        1. Jan Hernandez with a 2-run shot in the bottom of the 5th of the 2nd game, then he walks in the 6th

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          1. Phils sweep today’s double header. That’s a good looking team down there in Clearwater.

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  8. Biddle’s outing falls under the category, better to be lucky than good. That’s okaty for the 7th game of the World Series but for a young guy playing in AA…. not so good.

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  9. Tromp stays hot. .343 in his last 10 games. His K’s have to come down but he’s still learning. There aren’t too many Aruban pitchers that come close to what he’s seeing. His splits are interesting. He’s .343 against righties and .214 against lefties. He’s a righty. I’m sure there aren’t too many lefties in Aruba. His middle name is Candido. Jiandido Candido Tromp. Sounds like a Tony Orlando and Dawn song– not quite but close.

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  10. I’m no scout, but there seems to be an obvious explanation for Zach Green’s high K rate: Baseballs are terrified of his mighty bat.

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      1. many of us thought that this year with Quinn, pointer, Walding and the green(e)s. and I also recall a lot of chatter on how miserable the clearwater linup was going to be. hard to figure these things out.

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      2. Are you leaving Quinn @ Lakewood? Crawford has to start there, IMO. He could move to Wmsprt in June but I think he starts there. Green, Cozens, Tocci, Lino (Knapp I assume goes to CLW), Pullin, Greene (?), G. Martinez. Is Walding moved up to sink or swim?

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        1. Bellman – would like to see Quinn back on the field this season. Might make the decision easier. Of course, Crawford could begin with Williamsport but I would tend to agree with you that Lakewood seems the better destination

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          1. I think Quinn will play a lot of fall and winter ball, might have an extended spring next year (through part of April) and then debut in Clearwater. Just a guess.

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  11. Is there a league where all the pitchers are lefties? Hewitt needs to join that league. He’s hitting .382 against lefties. He has 10 HRs in 68 ABs (Wow!). He has 11 Ks to 4 BBs. Against righties, .193 in 244 ABs. 5 HRs and… yikes… 97 Ks to 14 BBs. And so I ask again, any leagues with only southpaws?

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    1. Sounds to me like a great bench option for the inevitable late-inning LOOGY to face Utley, Howard, Dom, Asche …

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      1. I was talking to a buddy of mine about our minor league system today. While we lack the huge name prospect such as a Dylan Bundy or Oscar Taveras we do have some interesting names. I was trying to put together a team of Phillies Prospects (The Phillies should put together their own organizational futures game. Have 2 teams of Phillies Prospects picked from all of their minor league affiliates and play a 3 game series. It would give us something fun to watch, get more of the casual fans familiar with their prospects and also see how some lower level prospects fair against some of the top prospects in the upper level . . . Just a thought).

        Here’s the team I came up with:

        Starters: (2nd team in parenthesis)
        C – Andrew Knapp (Cameron Rupp)
        1B – Luis Encarnation (Dylan Cozens)
        2B – Cesar Hernandez (Andrew Pulling)
        3B – Cody Ashe (Zack Green)
        SS – JP Crawford (Freddy Galvis)
        LF – Maikel Franco (Jose Puljos)
        CF – Carlos Tocci (Roman Quinn)
        RF – Cord Sandberg (Kelly Dugan)

        I realize that some prospects aren’t in positions that they are playing now however I see Quinn moving to CF where his speed can be used more so then SS also with his struggles defensively and w JP Crawford now in the org. Also Encarnation will likely end up in either the OF or 1B (Cozens due to size will prob shift to 1B as well). I believe we’ve seen the last of Joseph as a catcher and his offensive ability doesn’t play well at other positions (just my opinion) . . . I also believe that Rupp is the second best catcher in the org at this time with Knapp being the best (although an injury hasn’t allowed him to catch yet). Some names that I left off who could have been considered: C-Deivi Grullon, 3B-Mitch Walding, 3B-Jan Hernandez, OF-Cameron Perkins, OF-Aaron Altherr, OF-Larry Greene Jr.

        Rotation: (in random order, 2nd team in parenthesis)
        1 – Adam Morgan LHP (Jonathan Pettibone RHP)
        2- Jessie Biddle LHP (Severino Gonzalez RHP)
        3 – Ethan Martin RHP (Yoel Mecias LHP)
        4 – Shane Watson RHP (Sergio Velis LHP)
        5 – Mitch Gueller RHP (MAG RHP)

        Trying to come up with what I feel is the best 10 pitchers in the org was actually tough (which is why I threw MAG in there, even tho the deal sounds like its not going to happen). The top 8 was fairly easy but once you move past those the Phillies don’t have much in terms of starting arms (again that’s IMO). I feel like Morgan and Biddle will be good number 3 starters with Morgan being slightly better. Martin/Watson/Gueller all have top of the rotation arms. Severino Gonzalez IMO is exactly what Julio Rodriguez was/is.

        So these would be my 2 Phillies Phuture teams (obviously adding in some bullpen arms such as Brady, Giles, Wright). Like I said at the beginning, the team def lacks a BIG NAME prospect (Franco and Crawford may crack the top 50 for next year) however they have A LOT of interesting prospects and some good ones at that.

        ANY THOUGHTS?

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          1. I heard this from some articles. It would be awesome to see him behind the plate. His bat would be a major plus back there, but I just don’t see it happening. He’ll probably end up at 1B if he gets too big for 3B.

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          2. Was at 2 Reading/Trenton games in the beginning of July and during BP Franco was in the outfield with Frank Cacciatore working on getting reads off the bat in LF. He did this prior to both games and was the only one out there working on it . . . Not sure why he couldn’t be moved to LF. Why do you say 0% chance? It would be a hell of a lot easier to move to LF then behind the plate.

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        2. ED: Interesting compilation. We note just how difficult it is to come up with a pitching rotation with the prospect pitchers in our system.

          Right now it is easy to visualize our ’14 draft being heavy with pitching choices. That draft supposedly is extraordinarily full of prospects even better than the ’13 draft.

          We will be picking at #10 or better given the team’s situation. Your summary shows no lack of position players for most if not all openings…except for a righty OFer.

          Pitching……..desperately needed.

          Thanks for yr thoughts.

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        3. Why guellar over Anderson ? Are you not watching williamsport play, If not just look at the stats then, Anderson is easily the Ace of the staff

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          1. You can’t really go by JUST numbers, if that was the case then the best pitcher in the Phillies system would be Jesus Chavez (take a look at his stats). Gueller has 3 pitches that are potential plus offerings with his fastball being a potential plus plus pitch. Anderson sits arond 90-92mph (and has been under 90mph in some games as well) with not much in his secondary pitches. Wasn’t high on him coming outta HS either, he actually had a losing record with an ERA over 3 in his senior year . . Nothing impressive there. He has pitched well this year tho.

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  14. Looking forward to the Lakewood team next year. All the kids are 20 and younger.

    1b Olberto
    2b Pullin
    Ss Crawford
    3b Green
    Of Cozens
    Of Tocci
    Of Tromp
    C Lino

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      1. Sarcasm? Crawford is the only one I’m really confident in and Tocci, Cozens and Green are the only other players I’m intrigued by in that list and I don’t even think more than 1 of those guys will make it, let alone be a star that could make up a playoff core.

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  15. Has anyone else noticed that the ever popular Tuffy Gosewisch was called up by the D-Backs and already has 2 hits in 6 abs. Congrats to Tuffy for finally making the “show”, couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

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  16. On Friday:
    “We’re not perfect,” Amaro said, “and we probably made a mistake on Schierholtz.”
    …..still cannot accept responsibility….not ‘we’, but he makes the decision.

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