Box Score Recap – 5/23/2013

Box Score Recap

Cody Asche has been turning it up a little bit at the plate. He’s got 9H, 6 of them for extra bases, in his last 7 games. The middle of the CLR lineup racked up some hits in 11 innings last night. Not so for the middle of the LKW lineup, and they had 12 innings to try, though Art Charles hit his 6th HR of the year. Yoel Mecias struck out 7 in 5IP in that one.

And a good line from Kyle Simon on last night’s supspended Reading game. Tried to get the tweet to embed, but I don’t think it worked. Click through if you like.

https://twitter.com/TreeSimon/status/337703247630450689

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130523

5-23-13 boxscores

85 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 5/23/2013”

    1. It’s too early to completely give up on Larry Greene, but I’m starting to move solidly i that direction.

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  2. Asche will hit between .300 and .310 with 15-20 HR by the end of the season. He is a pure hitter.

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    1. If he stays at AAA….

      Assuming the phils are out of the race and that he keeps hitting, I think Asche be with the big club once they trade MYoung at or near the deadline….

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      1. Even if Young gets traded there is no real need to rush Asche to the bigs. Galvis can man the position for half a year (assuming Utley is at 2nd) Now if Asche is ready by than I have no problem promoting him, but right now it looks like a full year in AAA can’t hurt him.

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        1. Asche would be a nice two hole or six hole hitter in next years lineup but being left-handed complexes things. Ruf and Delmon Young is killing us right now. Young is getting hot and Ruf is cold. With 2014 in mind, I would love for Ruf to get hot and Young to stink. Call Ruf up and establish that he can hit MLB pitching. Then you have a righthanded bat in the middle of the lineup who can break up the lefties.

          Look at the potential starting lineup…very limited with righties

          1B-Howard (S)
          2B-Galvis (S), Utley, Hernendez (S)
          3B-Asche, Galvis (S)
          SS-Rollins (S), Galvis (S)
          LF-Ruf (R), Brown
          CF-Revere, Mayberry Jr (R)
          RF-Brown,

          C-Ruiz, Joseph, Kratz

          Catcher can be right handed but none of those guys are middle of the lineup guys.

          It’ll be so interesting to see how this year plays out. I will say again that I would offer any 7 players the Marlins want for Stanton. (Brown, Biddle, Pettibone, Quinn, Franco, Jospeph and De Fratus)

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          1. Hard to believe, Delmom Young is only one year older then Darin Ruf. Seems he has been around a long time.

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            1. wow, yea, I didn’t realize that. I’ve always just thought Young is what he is and there is no upside left but perhaps he can be a late bloomer like Werth was? Regardless, I think Howard has been so inneffective in recent years because he has no one hitting behind him like Werth and Burrell did. Can either Ruf or Yiung be the answer? Is there anyone else in this organization who can be the answer. If there is no answer, do you attempt to move Howard (which is going to be difficult.) I just hate how left handed the lineup is and it is full of 2 hole and 6 hole hitters. (which is what Jimmy Rollins is at this point and I have been saying that since they resigned him)

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  3. Lakewood had 24(!!!) strikeouts last night. please someone tell me that they faced a super prospect because that is absurd

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    1. Tyler Glasnow who accounted for the first 12 strikeouts is a fast rising prospect in the Pirates system. He has a plus fastball and plus curveball from a 6′ 7″ frame as well as a developing changeup. At this point he is a borderline Top 100 prospect and could end up solidly on the list by end of season.

      That said, there is a lot of swing and miss on the Lakewood roster.

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    2. Like to know how many were called strikeouts. but you are right that is nuts. Starting to think Greene will take his signing bonus, buy a house for his wife and kid, and move on, whoever the scout was who recommend this kid, just based on his attitude, not being in shape, should be fired, and the area scouts and Crosscheckers too. who look at this kid.

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      1. If you were the owner, there would be no employees left in your organization. You would fire everyone on their first mistake. Calm down.

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        1. At least roccom learned that there is a comma and period button on his/her keyboard. For that, I consider that post a win.

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        2. I feel worse now. Just looked up Jackie Bradley. He is in triple a now,and hitting 322. with a 400 plus obp. I now am sick. why Greene over this kid??

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          1. I’m not defending the pick because even at the time it was questioned, but JBJ had some signability issues in that draft. That’s why he dropped so far.

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            2. I don’t think so. Again, I’m going on a hazy memory but I remember there was signability issues and possibly injury concerns. I could be completely wrong though. It’s ringing a bell. The Phillies should’ve drafted him though. That much is clear.

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            3. He had a really down Junior year due to a wrist injury. He made it known that if he didn’t get what he wanted he had no problem going back to South Carolina. The Phillies went slightly over for Greene and Bradley went for just over 100k more.

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        1. Wouldn’t surprise me if he decides to enroll to Alabama in January ’14 for spring football practice in 2014. Saban would welcome him I would think.

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  7. Franco with another Jack, awesome… I’m almost to the point where I skip over the lakewood boxscore… other then Art Charles they suck in comparison to the rest of the league. (not a knock on player projection, just the current state of their talent.) If Quinn was ranked by BA today, he wouldn’t be anywhere near the top 200… talk about regression… he was just outside 100 going into the year. LGJ looks like a washout to me, crap stats, too many bad scouting reports, and lazy on top of that. It happens, I’m moving on.

    Hewitt has caught my eye lately, he’s having the best year he’s ever had but his BABIP is too high for me to think it’s not destined for a major drop. Somehow I imagine he’s still got projection left given how far he’s come. Upside is now probably AAAA… mostly because the athletic ability is still there and stranger things have happened.

    Asche is turning it around, I admitably didn’t pay much attention to him through the first third of the year, but if he ends the year with a .300 average and 15-20 Hr’s I’ll be quite happy.

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    1. If BA knows what they’re doing (and they do), Quinn will be exactly where he was before the season started, less graduated prospects. You don’t learn anything about prospects from six weeks of minor league statistics. It’s fun to follow the box scores, but saying he’s outside the top 200 based on what’s happened so far this season is really misunderstanding player development.

      (And anyway, he’s been fine for a young kid in A ball.)

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    2. I don’t think Quinn would fall that far. I haven’t read anything from scouts but we’re just looking at stats. We have no idea how he looks on a day to day basis.

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    3. I disagree with almost everything in here…you are high on Hewitt and down on Quinn? That doesn’t add up to me. When assessing Quinn, I’m very pleased that he is improving, he is stealing alot of bases, and based on the people I’ve spoken to in Lakewood, the team is happy with his switch hitting progress and not too worried about his defense.

      Then you say Asche is turning it around? What exactly did he have to turnaround? He had a bad first few weeks, all players will have a bad few weeks during the season at some point. He has been fine throughout – his defense is improving and his hitting has been fine for over a year now.

      And Art Charles is not a prospect, he’s the last guy to watch on the Lakewood team. I’d watch Quinn, Walding, Pointer, Tocci, Greene Jr, and Numata long before I pay any attention to Art Charles.

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      1. I don’t agree that Art Charles is a non prospect. He is just a lower level prospect. He is not far behind Brian Pointer, and if he were to be promoted to Clearwater this year, and hit, he would be in the top 30.

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      2. Wow guys sensitive… Asche by virtue of having a bad first few weeks has “turned it around”, i wasn’t talking about his prospect status, only his results. Art Charles, I disagree, i think he’s a fringe prospect, all i was saying was through the first THIRD of a year, he’s the only one not looking over-matched, which is by nature a product of results, not scouting.

        You’re all bat sh$t crazy if you think the lakewood team hasn’t been out played throughout the first third of the year. Strikeouts are probably one of the most statistically correlated metrics to being “over matched”… and they’re striking out in droves.

        And I ALREADY SAID that it wasn’t a knock on their upside or projection with the exception of LGJ who hasn’t shown me anything considering he’s suppose to be a 1B with NO power. His K rate is statistically significant so stop giving the guy a break for it. Rumors of his laziness are stupefying.

        You all discount quinns early performance because the last week or two has been good, but ya know what, I don’t give a sh$t about either the slump or the hot streak, what I care about is his line overall. His BB% has dropped, his K rate has increased, his ISO is down, his wRC+ has dropped from a very sexy 133 to 96, oh and that’s not to mention his defensive deficiencies. And before you go off on sample size, that’s all over 188 plate attempts. Not saying it’s the definitive end-all-be-all, but lets not say 188 is statistically meaningless either.

        He’s still a top 10 prospect, but you’re fooling yourselves if you think his prospect status hasn’t dropped.

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        1. No one’s being sensitive. Just lightly arguing with you. I don’t think Quinn’s prospect status has dropped. We aren’t even in June yet.

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        2. Art Charles is a non prospect – he was brought in specifically to rake in the middle of a lineup in Lakewood that the org knew would be a bit challenged. His role is to take pressure off the true prospects around him.

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          1. Charles didn’t even hit particularly well in the Northwest League- which is short season ball- last year. I think he hardly had the profile of a guy you would bring in to take pressure off of other players.

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        3. Supra98x…..you make valid points. LGJ, at this juncture, it would appear will take awhile for him to reach the big leagues, if at all. OTOH, Quinn, we need something to grasp at. Anything looking good is a sign of hope,

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    4. Quinn has been one the hottest hitters in the system for the last two weeks. As someone already mentioned, most of that post doesn’t make much sense.

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    1. Franco has as many xbase hits (27) as Sano, now. A 14% K rate, while 50% of his hits are for xbases, and steady BABIP.

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  9. Yoel Mecias impressive last 5 starts:
    ERA: 1.90
    SO: 29 (projected over 9 innings he would average 11 punch outs a game)
    WHIP: 1.32

    If he can lower that WHIP by end of season he is legit prospect.

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    1. Just to make your life easier in the future, your note about strikeouts can be shortened simply to K/9. What you described is exactly what the stat is used for.

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  10. Well that is now 9 innings in Clearwater from the 20 year old Severino Gonzalez and the line reads like this — 6 hits, 0 ER, 1 BB, 10 K. All of his appearances have been 4 or 5 days apart so it looks clear that they are getting him ready to make some starts but the question remains the same, if he is doing so well right now in high A ball why not keep him there? I guess we will find out in the next few weeks. But it is really nice to see how well he is doing so far stateside.

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    1. He’s a guy whose name I kinda knew, but like most VSL players, I don’t pay much attention until they do their thing up here. Still, I just checked, and his WHIP last year was .7. 86/6 in 92.2. The better question is why he wasn’t in the U.S. last season. Visa issues?

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    2. I think the groupthink around here is that he would be moving into a starting role in williamsport once it started, but with the way hes pitching, i might want to see him getting starts at lakewood instead. I understand not keeping him in clearwater if they want to transition him to a starting role, but he might be showing hes beyond williamsport at this point.

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  11. Would think Franco will stay in Clearwater for the year, but when do they start taking the aggressive approach with Altherr, Dugan, and Perkins? I realize Derrick Mitchell and Abreu are furture stars but I think Reading needs to make some room…

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          1. My thought process is that Reading is a disaster. I wouldn’t send one guy up there only to be surrounded by questionable prospects who are collectively trending the wrong way. If it were up to me I would get ride of the entire outfield at Reading (Gilles, Collier & Hewitt) & bring up Altherr, Dugan & Perkins & bring Franco up at same time.

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  12. Who is the Phils 3B of the future ..Asche or Franco ? I think Franco has more upside.

    Larry Greene reminds me of Jeff Jackson the can’t miss HS # 1 pick by the Phils who was a complete bust . By the way the Phils that year past over Frank Thomas to pick Jackson because Thomas was a college guy and the Phils wanted to groom their own .

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    2. I think Asche has a Higher Floor, lower ceiling and Franco has a lower Floor, Higher ceiling. There ya go…

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  13. Who is a better prospect and future 3B for the Phils , Asche or Franco ? I think Franco will be a better major leaguer .

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    1. I love Asche, but Franco is pretty clearly the better prospect at this point. He’s quite a bit younger and his ceiling is a lot higher. Franco’s ceiling is Adrian Beltre with less speed and a slightly worse hit tool – an all-star player. Asche’s ceiling is probably a .290 hitter with 15-20 homers – think Scott Brosius or Mike Lowell – a solid regular and maybe a little more. All of this could change, however, if Asche develops more consistent power. He sure has a great work ethic and a very nice swing.

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      1. Franco may very well give you acceptable power or approach it for a 1B at some point in his MLB career, but I also believe Franco is the better defensive 3B between him and Asche.

        I think Asche should be shagging some balls in the OF and possibly playing there once a week in preparation for 2 or 3 years down the road.

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        1. Ahhhh…long-term startegic thinking…..Asche shagging some balls in LF, makes sense occasionally late in games now. I bet Ruben has you covered! Do you believe that?

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  14. Does Sebastian Valle have ANY trade value??? I haven’t seen him live this season, but his stats and little bits of info I’ve seen scream “cannot handle adversity”

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    1. Doubt we’ll get much for him. He was put onto the 40 man roster after the 2011 season, so he’ll be out of option years by the start of the 2015 season. If he’s not in the majors by then, he’s subject to waivers. Given that he’s striking out ~30% in AA, I doubt he’ll be able to stick in the majors by then. His trade value is basically shot as a result. What team would want to trade for a guy that they’re (likely) going to have to put on waivers within 2 years?

      I also don’t think his poor season has anything to do with the fact that he “can’t handle adversity” or whatever narrative you want to come up with. The guy has (really) poor plate disciple. That’s probably the #1 reason hitting prospects flame out. It has nothing to do with his personality traits. His BASEBALL skills aren’t good enough at this point.

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  15. Two singles for Michael Martinez last night! Somebody get that guy a ticket to the majors, he has no more worlds to conquer.

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  16. does this site do mid-season prospect rankings and yoel medias was he BA phillies sleeper prospect gong into this year. and was dugan drafted in the 2nd round in 09

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    1. There will definitely be at least a mid-season top 10, Mecias was BA’s sleeper and Keith Law has talked about him, Dugan was 2nd round in 2009 and the Phillies fist pick that year

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    1. relax. who would you rather it be? If you have to bring up someone for depth who won’t play why not? I’d probably bring up Orr, but Martinez has more defensive versatility (he plays more defensive positions poorly). It’s for 2 weeks and he won’t play.

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      1. 1. Martinez is just terrible. I’d rather have Orr, he has similar skills but is just a much smarter player.

        2. I would have recalled Ruf. I’d play him Sunday against the LH at first or in left. Then I’d DH him (or play him at 1B and DH Howard) the two games in Boston, and then start him another game or three in the two week period. I’d rather see Ruf start 5 games in 2 weeks than have MM anywhere near a big league park.

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  18. Good progress for Asche. Since he has one of the best work ethics in the org I’m not surprised by his buffed-up star-like performance.

    His fielding is supposedly superior at grabbing the ball and his arm is said to be strong and accurate. His extra base power in the alleys plus HRs at the present rate would lead to 20 plus/season. And he has decent enough speed on the bases to get some SBs here and there.

    In all, what’s not to like ? at 3rd base in ’14? And my bet is that with his steady work to get better, he will end up closer to a rate of 25-30 dingers/season. It seems to me that he will end up hitting at #3 in the lineup with Franco at #4 by ’15-’16.

    The dilemma of Franco and Asche for 3rd base competition could lead to a BIG move to trade Howard so that Franco can move to 1st base. Getting both into the every day lineup will be essential.

    Looking forward, we DO have candidates for the OF in Altherr and Dugan (R & L) both of whom should be at Reading…along w Perkins…around mid-season. But I am less optimistic about Joseph’s chances to become our #1 catcher, so re-signing Ruiz is essential.

    Now, trading lee (please, though we will miss him) to get prospects: 2 pitchers and an OFer all of whom could jump to the bigs w/o much delay.

    Asche has been on my radar since he blew out the pitchers in the FSL. He IMPROVES steadily. With his approach to his opportunity, a star could easily result.

    Now, pls remember that our former honcho of this site DID predict good things from him as a draftee. Credit James.

    Go Cody!!

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    2. Trading Ryan Howard? Good luck there, maybe hope for the Texas Rangers to go into a slump in June and July and be able to catch Jon Daniels and Nolan Ryan in a moment of desperation

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    3. I do like Asche but I think 30 HR’s is a stretch. Also I am not sure why you would move the superior fielder (Franco) to 1B.

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  19. BA hot sheet stuff

    No. 4 Jesse Biddle, lhp, Phillies
    Team: Double-A Reading (Eastern)
    Age: 21
    Why He’s Here: 1-0, 0.00, 7 2/3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 9 SO, 4 BB

    The Scoop: With his dominating turn this week, the 2010 first-rounder now has logged a 2.84 ERA and 30-to-8 strikeout-to-walk ratio over his past 25 1/3 innings, covering the eight starts since his 16-strikeout masterpiece on April 22. With a fine fastball-changeup combination and improved crispness on his breaking ball, Biddle now leads the EL with 60 strikeouts while ranking second with a 0.95 WHIP and fourth with a 2.50 ERA.

    Joe (Philadelphia, Pa.): I was wondering how close you think the Phillies top pitching prospect Jesse Biddle is to the major leagues? Also, how good do you think the Phillies Shane Watson will be? Who does his potential draw comparisons to?

    Jim Shonerd: It wouldn’t shock me if Biddle pitches in the majors this year. As for Watson, the Phillies have compared him to Brett Myers and he could be a mid-rotation guy. The delivery will need some work first. Likewise for his changeup, though that’s not unusual for a teenager.

    Dan (Atlantic City): Is Cesar Hernandez projected to be an average or better starting MLB second baseman?

    Jim Shonerd: Hernandez has a little more offensive upside than Freddy Galvis, who he’s often compared to, but isn’t quite the same defender. He’s got a chance, but he is a guy scouts debate about.

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    1. I don’t know why anyone would compare Hernandez to Galvis. In addition to the vast differences in defense Galvis has shown much more power while Hernandez has shown a much better hit tool and better in game speed (at least this year).

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      1. I attended a Lakewood game last week and talked to one scout from an AL team and asked him about Galvis and Hernandez. Unfortunately, he hadn’t seen much of either one in person so didn’t have much to add about them in particular but had some interesting things to say about minor leaguers who are young for their age and international signings.

        He said that the difference between domestic and international players is that the coaching in US high schools and in college is much better than the instruction the international kids get and that guys like Galvis and Hernandez grow and develop more than the avg domestic prospect because they’re learning more once they get into a farm system. He also said that guys that play age appropriate levels through their development are typically closer to finished products when they reach AAA and the majors, whereas guys like Galvis and Hernandez (and even Franco and Tocci) will hit AAA and the bigs and still develop a lot more. He said teams have to be careful on guys like that to not over react to their offensive numbers as they’ll likely continue to improve even in the big leagues. He also said that while some kids are physically developed by 18 or 19, many guys don’t really mature physically until their early 20’s. I specifically asked him about Galvis and his thoughts on a guy who didn’t hit for much power in the minors who has a much higher slugging pct in the majors this year and he said you never know when a young kid that age will start adding muscle and power in his hands, wrists, and forearms in particular, and legs as well. He also said the international prospects don’t have as much weight training expertise until they reach the US so that can also be a factor.

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  20. Anyone else excited for National series. I know this belongs in weekly update but I think the season hinges on this series.

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    1. Sorry c. but its hard for me to get excited, I just really believe in my heart, this group of everyday players, just aren’t good enough. to beat anyone like Atlanta or Boston or Washington, they just don’t hit and especially in the clutch, I really believe. Washington will sweep them, with no problem. In fact. the other day I ranked the teams in my order and the Phillies were 24th. imo

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  21. That players from the Latin countries continue their development even after they reach the bigs is not surprising with the difference in early “pro” coaching compared to the USA. However, this kind of development can also occur players born in the US.

    In particular I remember Ozzie Smith who couldn’t hit a lick for seasons after he came up. But with time and experience, better coaching, and effort he became a significant part of the Cards offense in addition to his great defense.

    I see the same happening to Dom; I expect he will get better as the season goes on.. Even more so in ’14. When Galvis plays more and then full time, I’d be surprised if he didn’t make more progress at bat, yielding a .270 BA, OBA of 325, and 15 HRs.

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    1. Something that has always bothered me is how people have faith in Asche because he has “the best work ethic in the system”, but yet never acknowledge that Galvis has been praised for his ethic AND intelligence. I always felt he would do well; ever since that breakout season he has gotten better and better. It hasn’t always been pretty, but he is doing what I’d expect from a hard-working, intelligent athlete.

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