Box Score Recap 8-28-2012

Box Score Recap

Congrats to Darin Ruf on his franchise-tying 37th HR of the year.  We can argue about what to make of his future, (we don’t have to, but I’m sure we will…again), he’s been absolutely crushing it the last month+.  Asche, Joseph and Gillies all had 3 hits in that game, Gillies and Joseph each with a HR.

Elsewhere, Maikel Franco was 4-4 plus a BB and drove in a run. What a second half that guy’s had.  He was OPSing .607 at their all-star break, after – .910.  And 6 Ks in 4 IP from Kevin Brady for WIL.  2BB also, bringing his NYPL total to 5. Versus 44K.  In 34 innings.

LV Off  REA  CLR 2 gms. ppd  LKW  WIL

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  2. How can you not be impressed with how Roman Quinn is playing this year? I’m really liking what I’m seeing from him. I hope he progresses and becomes something special.

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    1. I think you could make a pretty darned good argument that he is the top position player in the system. I now always have him in my top 5 of position players and usually no lower than 2 or 3. He has real star potential.

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    2. Amen to that. First season … learning shortstop … learning to bad left handed … showing great OBP skills (.375) and a bit of pop (.410 slugging) … stealing a high percentage of bases … who does this?

      Anyone who predicted this performance, please raise your hand?

      I just can’t wait to see how he progresses.

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    3. Yeah, I’m totally on board the Quinn bandwagon. I can’t wait for the Roman Empire fanclub, etc

      To me what sticks out the most is that he has more triples than doubles. Hell, even if he doesn’t stick at short and has to move to 2nd or CF, this guy has huge potential.

      Where does he rank, prospect-wise? Tough call. Once the season is over I usually start putting together my list – it’s going to be fun this year

      – Jeff

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      1. In case anyone missed it, both XBHs by Quinn last night were while batting lefty. Step aside Ted Williams, the new batting king has arrived.

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    4. I agree, the thing is even if he doesn’t stick at SS (which they will leave him at till he just completely fails) you have to figure with his speed he becomes a plus plus defensive center fielder. I would put him behind Franco and Joseph on the position list, probably behind Asche based on proximity, but he has to be ahead of Valle, Hernandez, and the rest of the lower level guys. What is the over/under on steals next year 75? He may not be Billy Hamilton but he you still have to say it is close to 80 speed (Hamilton is 100 out of 80).

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      1. To clarify, he’s not close to 80 speed, he is 80 speed. Makes you drool to have a prospect with at least one elite tool that is actually performing, don’t it?

        And yes, Hamilton is inhuman on the basepaths.

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        1. Sorry just hesitant to throw an 80 on anything. You can critique the Phils development system on many levels but when it comes to high school and juco players they tend to draft guys who have one plus plus to elite tool

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          1. I was just going by what scouts have given him. Every scout I’ve seen has thrown an 80 speed on him.

            If you’re just doing a personal evaluation, then I guess it’s just up to your scale.

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            1. Meant to add that I wasn’t meaning to be hostile in my post, if I came off that way. Just wanted to clarify things for anyone who wasn’t sure.

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          2. I think he has 80 speed based on what I’ve read from previous reports, but that doesn’t mean he’s the fastest guy in baseball. Once you hit threshold for getting rated at 80 speed you can still have guys be faster. It’s like having an 80 fastball grade. You can still have insane pitchers like Aroldis Champman be way above other 80 fastball graded pitchers.

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  3. I said Asche would be hitting .300 by the end of the week, boy did I understate. As long as he isn’t the next coming of Ty.

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  6. Was at the Reading game. 1st hand scouting report…..
    Darin Ruf and Cody Asche werent sweating and adjusting themselves in the batters box like major league baseball players.
    They’ll really never be anything.

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  8. I believe most of us would be happy if Asche’s ceiling would be Chase Headley. So lets compare age 22 seasons.
    Asche 496ab 12hr 68rbi .329/.368/.486/.854 (A+,AA)
    Headley 484ab 12hr 73rbi .291/.389/.434/.823 (A+)

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    1. You actually have to give the edge to Ashe here, given that he did half of it in AA, which is the biggest jump/ Not that that means much. He could still be as good, better, or not as good as Headley. But as comps go, that’s a good one.

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    2. Not a terrible comp, you give the edge to Headley on speed, plate discipline, and defense and give Asche a slight edge in power, but that being said Headley is a really underrated player whose cost in prospects this offseason will enormous.

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      1. Headley has an .830 OPS this year, and around .750 for his career. He is a nice player, but he’s not exactly a difference maker. He looks so good right now only because third base is a weak position throughout baseball.

        If anything, I think he’s overrated more than he is underrated.

        I do agree that, if Headley is dealt, the cost will be incredibly high.

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        1. Headley’s performance is better than it appears, as he plays 1/2 his games in the stadium that most suppresses batting in the NL.

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    3. Personally, the first thing I look at in a triple slash is OBP. Headley has 20 points on Asche in that department, and that’s including Asche having almost 40 points higher in batting average. That, to me, says Headley is WAY better at pitch recognition/plate discipline.

      Now that’s not a knock on Asche, it’s just that based on what we’ve seen so far I think Headley is the better player. Asche could certainly continue improving and become better than Headley, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

      But I don’t need any comps to appreciate what a great season Asche is having.

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      1. This was my first thought as well. If you want to compare just A+ performance for the two, Asche’s triple slash was .349/.378/.825. The OBP is pretty close to Headley’s, but you also have to consider the fact that Asche’s BABIP at the time was .399, so it appears Headley was still fairly significantly better than Asche with regards to pitch recognition/ plate discipline.

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    1. Not sure I agree with Gillies. Over LGreene, Valle and Hernandez? That might be my non-ordered top 8. Would have to think about it a little more.

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      1. Yeah, I have lots of skepticism towards Tyson – injuries, potential attitude issues. There are definitely some flags with him that make me a bit leery

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      2. In a vacuum where only tools and performance matter, Gillies is definitely towards the top of the list. Unfortunately this isn’t a vacuum and health and other things also count, so I, too, am hesitant to put him in the top 5.

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    2. Those are the position players box scores i look at first and boy did each one perform last night. Add ruf to that as well.

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    3. Quinn was fading there for a while but has really picked it up of late. OBP of .370 really puts him over the top and is the perfect (and necessary) compliment to his game-changing speed.

      Franco’s second half has been quite a surprise to me and he has certainly elevated his prospect status. .330 BA in more than 250 post All-Star PAs

      Tyson got more press from this board when he wasn’t playing, but the guy has had a great year when he’s been able to take the field. He really needs to prove his worthiness on the base paths though. Tight hammies or not; if he’s unable to swipe 20-25 bags his prospect may be limited to extra outfielder

      And Asche? Never heard of him

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      1. Speed helps you avoid slumps. I am really excited about Quinn’s year too with all the challenges thrown at him. If he stays at SS he could be pretty special.

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    4. I took a look at the Gulf Coast players … and hadn’t really been conscious of the extent to which they have fallen off (Pullin aside). Still, we have 4 high ceiling players down there – though I agree them none of them would make the top 5. I’m also a bit leery of putting Gillies on that list, as much as I like him and hope he succeeds. Though none of brad’s next three really jump out at me as someone who belongs in the top 5. Hernandez and Valle look like a back-up to me, with the caveat that they are still young enough to prove me wrong. Greene, while i’m not too worried about the lack of HR, is still a player who would be there more on projection than performance thus far. So I guess I’m saying I would probably end up with the same 5. 🙂

      I’m surprised that no one has chimed in with outrage at the exclusion of Ruf. 🙂 The funny thing is, even with my skepticism, I’m not sure he misses by much at this point.

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    5. I guess .. if you pinned me down on a top 10, again position players only, I’d go with brad’s eight, plus Pullin, then .. who gets the 10th slot? I see several candidates, an interesting mix in terms of proximity & ceiling: Ruf, Tocci, Cozens, Z. Green … maybe the other 2 catchers. Any way you look at it, certainly the deepest we have been in position prospects in a while.

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      1. Just amazing we have an ability to discuss/debate the merits of a top ten position prospect list. Prior years it wasn’t hard to do a top 5 and even then we knew the end of that list was probably org filler

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      2. I would probably say Tocci and then Cozens and not necessarily Pullin. Even with a good LD Rate of 21%, his .398 BABIP indicates his average and hence OBP will come down some. Rupp, Pullin, Green, Walding and maybe Lino. Ruf is likely in the mix as he profiles pretty easily as an MLB bench bat at this point, and Castro Dugan Altherr Collier and Pointer have to be considered as well. Add in all the pitchers, and the top 30 could take a while.

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    6. And I forgot Walding – not sure what to make of him at this point. Certainly not giving up on him. But add him to the other guys mentioned, that’s your top 16 IMO. Did I miss anyone? 2 in AAA, 4 in AA, one in A+, 2 in A, 3 in A-, 4 in R.

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      1. And think about a few other guys I left off who are more than org filler (though very long shots at this point). Probably at least 20 position players who are real prospects of some dimension.

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    7. Depending on what day you ask me, I might have them ranked as Joseph, Quinn, Franco, Asche, and Gillies, followed by Tocci and then,, in no particular order, followed by Valle, Hernandez, L. Greene, Poullin, Z. Green, Walding, Cozens, Lino and Rupp (yes, him!) – the next group thereafter would probably include Ruf because, hey, the dude can hit!

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    8. I would go, Franco, Joseph, Asche, Quinn, Hernandez, Valle, LGreene, Gillies, Tocci, Cozens (Pullin 10B, I am sucker for power). I think you can really argue that order outside of the top 3 and then easily on to probably to a top 15, a ton of high upside guys in there that could really breakout and make the system.

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  10. I would like to see roman quinn get double jumped at least one year. Rollins has 3 years left (including his qualifying year which is easily reachable). Still speculation that roman is a major league player but i rather not be in a position we are with asche, where we finally have their position to fill and the prospect is a year away rather than on pace.

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    1. With his just starting to switch hit and with his still learning SS, don’t think next year would be that year. At his age, I don’t see him getting double jumped to start any year. Maybe a mid-season promotion is possible, but I would expect a one level at a time progression for him.

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    2. I’m still lost on how rushing a player makes him a better player quicker? I mean, if this worked why do we even HAVE a team in Lakewood?

      Quinn’s fielding percentage by the way is .898. I think it’s fair to say that while his offensive game is very good thus far, he needs a lot of work on his fielding before he’s ready to conquer the highest levels.

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      1. Alan, I don’t necessarily disagree regarding Quinn, and the criticism the Phillies have taken for bringing players along slowly is mostly not merited. But most players who go on to be major league stars DO get moved through the minors very quickly, often with double jumps.

        I’d like to see Quinn start in Lakewood, but I would hope he is ready for a mid season promotion, with the hope of hitting Reading in 2014.

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        1. I would just note cause and effect. Players are rushed because they are ready. Not because their teams artificially pushed them.

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          1. While I’m sure that’s true most of the time, I’m also sure there have been some cases on the contrary. Colvin to AA? Seems like an artificial push to me (and a good reason why it’s not wise to rush a prospect). But teams do it, and it probably works sometimes. But no need to rush on Quinn. While it’s not the most palatable option out there, we always have Galvis to fall back on in case of an emergency regarding SS.

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      2. Simply the impatient nature of baseball message boards. While the Phillies have been a little slow with promotions in the past, they seem to have fixed that now. As a HS player learning a new position Quinn is certainly a 1 level at a time player. If he earns a midseason promotion that is great, but he probably needs another 400+ games at SS over 3-4 years for his development no matter what.

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      3. I think what Alan is really saying is that he hopes Quinn Like Aschee shows dominance at the level he is assigned and forces the Org. to promote him quickly. What does not seem to be clarified enough on here is that good players get double jumped and move quickly because they make the org. move them up to challange them. Very few guys are like Aschee this year where he was double jumped because of the roster at Lakewood was full at 3B, and to his credit he took advantage of it and then forced them to promote him to AA and looks like he forced his way to AAA next year. Remember back to Brown and his rocketing through the system because he hit every level of pitching he faced and basically forced Rube into the early call-up to the ML roster that one year because he was the logical choice based on his performance at AAA.

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  11. I love the stat line Quinn is putting up but I’m not sure a double jump is the right thing for the 19 year old. Also, do we really think he’ll be able to stick at SS? I know we aren’t suppose to read too much into errors at the minor league level but .898 fielding % has me questioning whether he can stick.

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    1. He’s getting to a ton of balls but either making bad throws or not fielding them cleanly. That’s correctable with time at the position, which he has time to stick at being 19 years old. There’s nothing to worry about here.

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      1. He also would have been saved a handful of errors with a 1B who is better at picking the ball. Young players tend to struggle on defense. It’s extremely rare to find a teenager with polished defense, and impossible to find a player with polished defense at a position he’s never played before.

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  12. At the risk of angering the Jimmy Rollins Fan Base here on pp, does anyone else agree how absolutely insane it is that our 5’8″, 165 lb leadoff hitter is now being defended by the Barry Bonds / Jim Thome / Ryan Howard shift with 3 infielders on the right side of the infield? Maybe what’s more insane is the fact that with that defense, he didn’t even appear to try and slap a ball to LF for a base hit? Even when leading off an inning?

    Now let me also say, I think Jimmy will go down as the greatest Phillie SS of all time, one of the greatest Phillies in general of all time, and depending how the rest of his career plays out, possibly will gain HOF consideration at some point. Not to mention he was a vocal and inspirational leader to this franchise when it needed it the most and a big part of what began this run. Add on top of all of this his gold glove defense in the past, and I believe he will win the gold glove this season for how well he has played defensively.

    My problem with Jimmy is how is it that his approach or his ego or whatever it is has gotten so far out of touch with reality that a player of his type is being defended this way? And how badly has Charlie lost this team if he’s allowed it to get to this point?

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      1. Only when merited. I don’t agree with the criticism here (no time to go into why), but it is at least reasonable, as opposed to the irrational hate from some which can have no other cause.

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      3. You are wasting your ‘breath’ argueing your point of view. Mr Larry is probably the best in the business, at least what I have read from him, when it comes to statistical analysis and trend projections. He is thorough and very detailed. However, when it comes to inter-personal characteristics he has a few flaws that can be improved upon.

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      1. Wrong thread, not wrong website, and the merits are not inherently wrong. A player with speed being overshifted is, indeed, a silly thing. He should just bunt if he’s facing the shift. No point trying to muscle a double/HR if you can get an almost 100% chance of getting on base, where you can then wreak havoc by stealing bases. But yes, this could be a very good conversation in the General Chat.

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  13. Cesar def in mix, and hope he does well and can become the starting 2nd basemen. Valle not too high on because k rate. Tommy more polished. Tyson because of immediate impact he can make. Seems like the five getting hot at right time. Like all the others that are mentioned. Just went with right now. Will be interesting to see how bad national guys say system is lol.

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  14. Regardless of your views on these position prospects, age factors, etc., this year has given us a lot to discuss. If half these guys are real, we have at least some of the core of a next generation. Lets’s say best case, with wild speculation on a few younger players, just to get a full lineup and bench:

    SS Quinn (Z. Green backup)
    2B Asche (Hernandez/Pullin backup)
    3B Franco (Walding backup)
    1B Ruf (Cozens/Dugan backups)
    LF L. Greene (Collier/Castro backups)
    RF Cozens
    CF Gillies (James/Tocci backups)
    C Joseph (Valle/Rupp backups)

    Some of those are pipe dreams, maybe, but looks a lot better than the way we were talking about position prospects two years ago, when we had the guys we sent to Houston and not much else.

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    1. BTW, I have Ashe at 2B. With Franco a purer 3B, I think they could wind up that way in four years.

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    2. Just some quick reactions:
      – Z. Green is a 3B long term could play SS occasionally but he is a 3B (where his bat still profiles well)
      – I don’t think Asche can play 2B, likely LF is his other positional opportunity
      – Dugan is still in the mix for a corner OF spot 1B just offers more playing time
      – I would personally throw Altherr (or Pointer if you still believe) into the OF discussion but that is up to you
      – One of LGreene or Cozens takes over the top of the 1B chart eventually, though it would be nice if they can stick in the OF (and of course make the bigs)

      A good look at the depth chart, could use some more SS depth (though I kind of still count Galvis as a prospect).

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      2. Agreed on Asche at 2B. I’m fairly positive if he could play 2B, the organization would have kept him there. If he could play 2B, he might very well be a top 100 prospect. That kind of production out of 2B is awesome (as opposed to just “very good” at 3B).

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    3. It’s funny, I had in my mind to do something similar with projecting the lower prospects in the general thread, although I wanted to take it a little farther.
      I had saved a link to an article/blog on TheGoodPhight where someone had basically made a chart showing all the Phillies under contract, when those contracts were set to expire, and when the prospective replacement would be conceivably ready to step in. I found it fascinating. And with the various good things going on in the system, it can be fun. For instance, provided Asche and Franco reach close to their ceilings, the Phillies 3rd base problems could be clear for maybe the next 7 or 8 years. A Rollins/Galvis/Quinn progression could take care of SS for the next decade.

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  15. All of a sudden, we have a (modest) surplus of 3B prospects. Could make things very interesting this offseason for the big club.

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    1. With three legitimate 3b prospects in the system, I don’t think the parenthetical notation was needed there

      – Jeff

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      1. I’m unsure on Walding, I’ve heard his defense is good but he’s struggled offensively this season, which is nothing out of the ordinary for a young player but it’s hard for me to consider him anything but a very distant prospect (no pun intended) at this point.

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        1. Catcher and 3B went from weaknesses to strengths pretty quickly in our system.
          C: Joseph, Valle, Rupp, Lino, Ludy, and a bunch of young guys who I’m less optimistic about.
          3B: Franco, Asche, Walding, Pullin (if he ends up at 3B).

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            1. He probably won’t. But he has an arm, so if he can’t handle 2B it’s not out of the question they’d try him at 3B. I dunno if any scout has said it, but I’ve seen people talk about it before.

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            2. Baseball America says he has a terrible throwing motion. Part of the reason he doesn’t project well in RF. Video on YouTube, backs it up. 2nd base is probably his best opportunity to be a major leaguer.

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  16. Suprised no one mentioned Joesph’s amazing night… 3 hits, 2 doubles and a HR, $hit is legit. (*I’ve been waitttingggggg forever to see a breakout by him, hope this is the beginning of a good rest of the year.)

    Franco gets his BA up above .270, impressive considering he was at like .200 what feels like yesterday. He could very well end the year around .280+.

    Quinn looks like he could realistically be Michael Borne, with hopefully a little more pop in his bat and while playing SS. Best case scenario (1% chance) for him is Andrew Mccutchen who in Rookie Ball/NYP over 250 PA, put up the following slash line .310 .419 .433. Quinn is at .291 .375 .410 … The real difference seems to be the batting average, with a .19 point difference, and walk rate. Physically, they’re actually really similiar… Quinn at 5’10” 170, MCcutchen 5’10” 185. That said, Andrew displayed a little more power, able to hit 2 Hr’s whereas quinn has yet to hit one. (I’m discounting 2B/3B since quinn has plus plus speed).

    It’s actually a really interesting comp if you think about it.

    Quinn is probably my highest upside player at the moment (Tocci I leave off this list because he’s just so damn young). Really exciting seeing him do so well.

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    1. One minor difference, Pirates decides to leave Andrew McCutchen as a right-handed bat, ILO of trying him as a switch-hitter. And it has worked out well.

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      1. Being a switch hitter is not a knock on a player. Lest we forget, Chipper Jones, Pete Rose, Roberto Alomar, Eddie Murray and Mickey Mantle… The fact that Quinn is doing so well as a switch hitter immediately after learning it is truely astounding.

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        1. But how many of those specific guys learned to switch hit in the minors (I don’t think any – am I wrong?)? It does happen that guys learn to switch hit in the minors. I think that’s how Rollins and Mookie Wilson (as an example) learned. But, man, that must be so incredibly difficult. I am amazed anyone could learn that in professional ball.

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          1. Good question, Maury Wills is the only “very good” player I think that learned to switch hit in pro ball, though I think he learned it while on a ML roster.

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            4. yes Shane Victorino was converted in the minors but in the Dodgers organization, however Larry Bowa was converted in the Phillies org back in the 60’s.

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        2. I would guess that Quinn is naturally very ambidexterous so he was able to pick it up fast. I am myself and it still astonishes people how comfortable I am using my supposed off-hand in sports like racquetball, volleyball, etc.

          Its fairly rare in the population but he seems like a natural.

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  17. I like DiamondDerby’s idea here. Let’s say it’s Opening Day, 2016. What is the best roster you can field using only current Phillies prospects?

    C: Joseph/Valle
    1B: Kelly Dugan
    2B: Cesar Hernandez
    SS: Freddy Galvis (cheating a bit here, much like Freddy)
    3B: Maikel Franco
    LF: Larry Greene
    CF: Zack Collier
    RF: Aaron Altherr

    Corner IF: Cody Asche
    Utility IF: Roman Quinn
    4th OF: Leandro Castro
    5th OF: Jiwan James

    If the bench looks odd, it’s because I’m looking at specific roles. I think Collier’s line at Clearwater at his age is more impressive than GIllies’ at Reading.

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    1. This is a silly exercise, but I want to play anyway. 🙂 C has to be Joseph. 1B – despite all the legitimate caveats from myself and other, it has to be Ruf, doesn’t it? 2B is Pullin, SS Quinn, 3B Franco, LF Green, CF Gillies. RF … vacant? Altherr has re-established his prospect status, but I’m not really seeing it. Maybe Collier there?

      Gillies versus Collier … I am, as I’ve made plain, not at all in the “Gillies is ready to be a major league regular” camp. And I get how you can argue Collier as the better prospect – 2 years younger, one level behind, significant performance gap in Gillies’ favor (about 100 points of ops) mitigated by context … but I’d still put Gillies ahead on ceiling, and he’s closer to realizing it.

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      1. Cozens in RF, perhaps? Could be a stretch, but he doesn’t appear to be slow (which makes sense since he was a linebacker). I don’t know about his arm, though.

        And I don’t see a way to justify having Galvis ahead of Quinn at SS. Unless maybe you mean it’s Quinn’s first taste of the majors and he’s just getting acclimated before taking the job?

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    2. I think we are all way undervaluing Tyson Gillies. In person, he’s the most impressive Phillies prosect I’ve seen since Victorino. While the Phillies brass says a lot of things about minor leaguers – some believable, others fluff – they have gone on record saying that they believe Gillies to be a championship calibur outfielder. Personally, having seen him perform several times and watched him on tv – I agree. He just needs to stay healthy and stop doing nutty things. All of the ability is there and the performance is not that far behind.

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      1. His biggest problem is staying healthy. If he could just do that (and he hasn’t done it yet since he became a Phillies prospect), he’d probably be in the Majors already.

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        1. I actually don’t think that’s Gillies biggest problem, the biggest problem is his love of “skiing”, and that ties into another problem of chemistry. I’ve heard the gumblings from some players issues and incidents in the club house, being afraid of him etc… People who watch him play think its just intensity… There is more to it than meets the eye even if Reading and Phillies organization has done a paramount job keeping it under wraps

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    3. If Quinn is in the bigs he is the starting SS (sorry Freddy), agree with LarryM if Ruf sticks he is at 1B, but we will know that quickly. Gillies over James as OF #5, might as well have the better defensive option (though I might then swap Collier and Gillies). LarryM, 2016 Pullin is likely a mid-season to September call up along with Cozens. Aggressive projection on Altherr but I like it, that OF could cover up a LGreene defensively.

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      1. James is a better defensive option. James is the best defensive outfielder in the system, maybe one of the best in all the minors. It’s his offense that will hold him back.

        I’m bearish on GCL guys based on stats. What Pullin has done is nice but I want to see more before I rank him above a player who hit .300 at AA.

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    4. “Opening Day,2016, best roster you can field using only current Phillies prospects?”C: Tommy Joseph
      1B: Darin Ruf
      2B: Cesar Hernandez
      SS: Roman Quinn – (Assuming he can get through 4 levels in 3 seasons)
      3B: Maikel Franco
      LF: Larry Greene
      CF: Zack Collier
      RF: Aaron Altherr
      Utility IF: Edgar Duran (having similar year as Collier, Rule 5 eligible)
      4th OF: Leandro Castro

      If the question was for Opening Day 2017…
      All above, accept sub in Pullin for Hernandez at 2nd base and Cozens for Altherr in RF.

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  18. My top 10 position player prospects:
    1. Joseph
    2. Franco
    3. Quinn
    4. Valle
    5. Asche
    6. LGJ
    7. Hernandez
    8. Cozens
    9. Walding
    10. Tocci (he’s only this far down cause hes so damn young)

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    1. My top 10 position player prospects:
      01. Joseph
      02. Franco
      03. Quinn
      04. Asche
      05. Tocci
      06. Valle
      07. Hernandez
      08. LGJ
      09. Pullin
      10. Cozens

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    1. Good for him. Really excited to see him take the mound. Not sure the Mets are a great match up for him though given their left handed dominant line up. regardless, looking forward to seeing him and Harvey tonight.

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  21. 1. Franco
    2. Quinn
    3. Joseph
    4. Asche
    5. Cozens
    6. Tocci
    7. Hernandez
    8. LGJ
    9. Valle
    10. Pullin
    11. Collier
    12. Lino
    13. Gillies
    14 Z. Green
    15 Rupp

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  24. Darin Ruf (and some others) news time –

    BA Article http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/prospect-pulse/2012/2613964.html
    Not really much new, the scouting reports coming out are small sample size because they contradict all previous reports so more data is needed but up until now most scouts saw him as a AAAA player. Could get call up if there is playing time.

    Jim Callis’s Chat http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1346253898

    Jim (Philly): Would you consider Darin Ruf to be a top 30 prospect in their system? Top 20?

    Jim Callis: Top 30 yes, Top 20 maybe. The Phillies system isn’t nearly as deep as it used to be. He’s 25, which is old for Double-A, but he has hit 37 homers and controls the strike zone, so he’ll find a spot in the Prospect Handbook.

    Matt V (Philly): With Tyler Cloyd getting the call for his MLB debut tonight with the Phillies, what can we Fightin’s fans expect both short and long term?

    Jim Callis: He’s a finesse righthander who’s not a viable long-term option for the rotation. Great year in the minors (15-1, 2.26).

    Free_AEC (NJ): Nice call on Cody Asche. Do you think he can develop some power against LHP as all of his sock is against RHP as of now, and BTW, where did that power suddenly come from?

    Jim Callis: He’s always had that power–that’s what got him drafted in the fourth round last year, even if it didn’t show up much in his pro debut. He’s a lefty hitter, so he has more power versus righthanders and always will. He hasn’t been great vs. southpaws, but he hasn’t been terrible either.

    Kevin Goldstein’s Daily Box Score Bits http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=18178
    Maikel Franco, 3B, Phillies (Low-A Lakewood): 4-for-4, 2 R, RBI, BB. A tale of two halved for just-turned-20 Dominican; .207/.268/.338 before the All-Star break, .333/.387/.523 since.
    Tyson Gillies, OF, Phillies (Double-A Reading): 3-for-5, HR (4), 2 R, 3 RBI, K. Becoming a prospect again if he can stay healthy; .357 since the All-Star break and .306/.371/.452 overall.
    Darin Ruf, OF/1B, Phillies (Double-A Reading): 1-for-4, HR (37), R, 2 RBI, BB, 2 K. 19 home runs in 26 games is as remarkable a power run as we’ve seen in recent memory; .317/.408/.625 in 133 games.

    (Not a ton of analysis from Goldstein but the purpose of the piece is to showcase some lines for those that don’t religiously read box scores)

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  25. Phillies 2012 AFL Roster:

    LHP Jay Johnson
    RHP Tyler Knigge
    RHP Colby Shreve
    RHP Kyle Simon
    C Tommy Joseph
    3B Cody Asche
    OF Zach Collier

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    1. Is this set in stone or just you voicing your opinion? My internet is being whacky and I can’t load any new websites that aren’t already loaded.

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        1. Alright, thanks for the info. Interesting choice of pitchers considering the decisions that need to be made on the 40-man regarding various pitchers in the system…

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          1. I guess you could have seen J-Rod go but, May, Martin, and Pettibone have had full seasons and seem like 40 man locks.

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            1. J-Rod was first on my mind. I believe those three are locks as well. Someone said Ramirez was rule 5 eligible, so I figured he’d get a look. But I didn’t check to see if he actually is.

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            3. I know. I would send him to consider whether taking him off because he hasn’t been pitching particularly well.

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    2. I like that list, the three position prospects make a ton of sense, mandatory reliever picks all of whom are interesting for their own reasons. Phillies got this one right, players like Martin and Colvin will get their best work in FIL working with coaches. Could have seen Gillies going but they may just call him up to get some work in.

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      1. Gillies is the only one I might have wanted to see — but I also see a reason for Collier, as he missed a lot of time. Additionally, I’d imagine there is some coordination with other teams to ensure your best prospects get a good amount of time — and Gillies isn’t going to dominate playing time if Hamilton is in CF.

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    3. Asche should be able to get a decent amount of playing time as the strongest 3B of the group.

      Collier, as with most guys under AA, will have some trouble getting time, especially if the reports of Hamilton as a CF for the AFL are true.

      I’m not sure how they handle Catchers, I’d imagine a rotation. Joseph is the second best catcher on the roster, behind stud Zunino.

      The pitchers are obviously all relievers.

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  26. Matt Gelb ‏@magelb
    Shocker: Tyler Cloyd and Darin Ruf named 2012 Paul Owens Award winners for best players in Phillies minor leagues.

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  27. I love watching the box scores this year, seems to be so many more interesting prospects. Finally the restocking seems to be taking root. I watch the boxscores but admittedly never watched Gillies play, but if he is such a speedster, why are there no stolen bases? Is that something to be concerned with or just because of his leg injuries not having him back where he was with that? reason for concern?

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  28. Gillies, Asche, Ruf, Franco, Joseph, Quinn — this is one of those boxscore days that make me giddy. Jesus, those are some lines!

    Franco is my top position prospect, narrowly beating out Joseph. He’s a big bat at a high-need position who is young and beginning to show his potential.

    Quinn with 10 triples. Anyone know the Williamsport record in this category?

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    1. I’ve been on the Franco bandwagon for awhile now, but I am going to go with Joseph as the top prospect. He is a catcher. He is two years older than Franco, but also two levels ahead of him. I’m a potential guy, but this is the type case where proximity wins out and positional importance wins out. Jmo.

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      1. I get that … they’re incredibly close in my eyes. I think with Franco its just the tools plus the sustained putting-it-togetherness he’s shown since the ASB … I can see him really taking off and becoming one of the game’s highly touted prospects in a year or two. Joseph is young and getting it done at AA, which is no joke, but I think if a team insisted on one or the other in trade, I’d drink a double Makers and deal Joseph.

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    2. “Roman Quinn holds the Crosscutters single-season record with ten triples… Quinn’s 28 steals are the fifth best mark in Cutters history and are ten fewer than the record… Quinn is on a 12-game hit-streak, the longest for a Crosscutter this season… “

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