Box Score Recap 8-7-2012

Box Score Recap

Couple of note from the GCL – Jiandido Tromp with a 4-5, 2xbh performance at the plate, bringing both his BA and his ISO over .200. Power to dream on for an 18 yr old.  Also Braden Shull works a clean inning with 2K in his pro debut.  Nice to see him on the field.

LV Off  REA  CLR  LKW Off  WIL  GCL  DSL  VSL Playoff Series tied 1-1

I have no idea what’s happening with the line score at the top of each box.  It’s weird like that on MiLB.com.

181 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 8-7-2012”

  1. Wow.. another Error for Quinn.
    Not sure if excited is the right word, but more interested to see Hewitt in Reading next year. 2 K’s, Double, and HR really encompasses everything you would expect from him. Im not really expecting him to get back on the prospect radar, but he has shown some progress, I guess. Wouldnt shock me if he came up with a .270 20 HR season next year.

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    1. Interesting case. Seems no one would take a chance on him in Rule 5. So we have him for development for a couple more years. If he improves 10% per year, as he seems to be doing this year, can he make a case for a cup of coffee in 2-3 years, with his long-ball potential? Also, it makes me wonder about our minor league hitting instruction. Has anyone broken down his swing, shortened it, given him a stance that gives him plate coverage, etc.? Or is he a guy who does not listen? Or maybe he is one of those with poor baseball instincts, just does not get it about hitting?

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      1. I don’t see how Hewitt’s made any progress. He has roughly a 9:1 strikeout to walk ratio, his OBP is .283, and he’s made 18 errors in right field. Where does he even project to play? First base?

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        1. Anytime you jump up a level and don’t have a drop off in performance, that has to be considered a positive thing. Hewitt had the best season of his career last year in Lakewood and is now actually slightly improving on it Clearwater. The defense is troublesome and his K:BB ratio is troublesome but all in all the season is encouraging from him. Given Hewitt’s power it will be really interesting to see what he can do in Reading.

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          1. I’m not going to repeat all the reasons why Hewitt is not prospect, but let’s deflate two of the current arguments quickly: he hasn’t improved this year, even “slightly” (numbers across the board almost identical, except for less SB and a far worse SB%), and repeating your “best” season at a higher level is hardly an impressive accomplishment when even that “best” season was so poor.

            Won’t say absolutely that he won’t have a cup of coffee at some point, stranger things have happened, but his chance of sustained major league success, even as a reserve, is zero. I’d be shocked if any player in history with his minor leauge credentials has ever had more tha 50 major league PA.

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            3. Nobody is making the case for Hewitt in our top 30. But he is improving. Whether he’s improved to a high enough level to be considered a decent prospect isn’t the topic at hand. He’s gotten better pretty much every year he’s been in the system, that’s all.

              His K and BB rates are basically the same as last year, but they have moved a smidge in the right direction. And his line drive rate is way up.

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            4. I wouldn’t rule out a 27 year old Hewitt hitting off the bench but he is in no way a prospect. Power can give a guy lots of shots just like velocity.

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            5. K rate is the same, actually a smidge worse (a tenth of a percentage point, means nothing). I wouldn’t call his small improvement in BB% statistically signficant. His line drive percentage is up, but from a very low level last year, oddly enough, given that it was otherwise his best year. It’s not THAT much better than his minor league career mark. And his SB and SB% numbers are down markedly. BA the same, OBP the same, SLG basically the same (a tad better).

              He hit at a level 93% as good as the average player in his league last year, 92% this year. It’s hard for me to see that as even mild improvement.

              But really that is almost beside the point. If you graph his improvment per year over his minor league career, and projected it forward, he would be a decent prospect at roughly the age of 40. Except, you know.

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            6. Lordy, we’ve had a troll infestation of late. … I look at Hewitt a little like the tomato plant on my back porch. I bought the plant earlier this summer, dreaming of eating big, juicy tomatoes fresh off the vine, and now, months later, it’s kind of sad and desiccated, and I should probably throw it out, but every once and a while I’ll look out there and see a little red tomato the size of a cherry sprouting off of it, and I’ll think–despite all evidence to the contrary–“Look, my tomato plant is finally turning the corner!.” But it’s not getting better. There’s no one to blame: it’s not a very good plant, and I’m not a very good gardener. If I’d planted basil instead, it’d already be in a pesto by now.

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            8. Hmm could you please direct me to the part of my post where I said Hewitt was a prospect. Because surely I must have said that otherwise there was no reason for you to start off with a condescending remark about his prospect status.

              Now as for being “slightly” improved, take that for whatever you want. If you want to put a ton of weight into SB success rate be my guest. I on the other hand tend not to pay a ton of attention to that since that its A) a skill that he can learn later and B) statistically is really is not all that descriptive in the MiLB since there is no way of know the quality of competition.

              Also, if you want to look and see identical numbers across the board at a higher level with a slight increase in his OBP as not being “slightly” better than last year, then by all means be my guest. Seems like a rather silly thing to be nitpicking in my opinion but hey, thats your prerogative.

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            1. Well in defense of Hewitt talk, I think it’s still interesting to discuss him, in that he was our top draft choice on year, and thus his continued struggles illustrate something about the strengths and weaknesses of the Phillies lottery-ticket style draft strategy. You see the same argument playing out in the case of LGJr vs Jackie Bradley Jr, although in my opinion LGJr is showing much more promise than Hewitt ever did.

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            2. When has anyone argued about LGj vs Jackie Bradley jr? Few, if any raised an eyebrow when the Phillies passed on Bradley. He stunk it up in the (2011 College WS).
              Now, because he may be the 1st 2011 player to make the bigs, we’re going to rewrite history.

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            3. Actually, I recall a lot of people saying they wanted Jackie Bradley Jr in 2011. I can’t claim that I was one of them, but I definitely recall it, because I happen to come from South Carolina so I was a Bradley fan. And Crashburn Alley has been beating the “could’ve had Bradley” drum for a while now, so it’s not new.

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  3. Kevin Brady, Braden Shull, Tromp…all positives from these guys. Not really worried about Biddle…the K and BB ratios are still improving for the year. Only two walks for May is also nice enough.

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    1. Rough night for Biddle but overall, he’s had a solid year. Not a fantastic year but still a very solid one. Still probably our #1 prospect.

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  5. What does Tyler Cloyd have to do in order to get his start moved from Leigh Valley to Philadelphia tonight? He’s 14-1 with a great ERA & WHIP. Kyle Kendrick was pitching great in relief (21+ scoreless innings), yet they keep moving him from starter to reliever. Start Cloyd, pitch him 5 – 6 innings & bring Kendrick in to finish the game. No pressure situation, as the meaningful season is over!!

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    1. HOnestly why does it matter about his W-L record? It’s been said many a time, he has very average stuff. If you want the guy to keep getting better, why call him up and sit him down where he won’t get playing time? Plus the Phils beatwriters said it’s likely you’ll see him in September. Also they’re paying Kyle Kendrick starter $$, that’s why he’s starting.

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      1. JA – You’re right win loss doesn’t matter. You’re also right that his apparent stuff is fringy. That said, he’s not developing in AAA anymore, which is the arguement for calling him up. He’s one of those “prove it” type players. And that’s fine, his performance deserves an audition on a non-playoff bound team.

        To above “Anonymous” poster…The thing is, the phillies are correct for waiting to september. Why start his clock for an extra 2 starts? If he does turn out, that decision would cost millions. He’ll get september and probably spring training to try out as either a long man out of the pen or as a 5th starter. The phillies have 4 starting pitchers that are a “lock” right now. It is highly unlikely they invest further in starting pitching this off season. It makes perfect sense to give that role to a minor leaguer for next year.

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        1. He is absolutely still developing in AAA. In A/AA, he had decent enough K rates. His K rate in AAA is abysmal. His BB rate has also ticked up. His FIP (i.e., his actual era) is around 3.5, which isn’t anything spectacular.

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          1. I actually haven’t done a statistical comparison of him since late last year (when we did our top 30) you’re indeed correct, that k rate won’t hold in the bigs as anything more then another Kyle Kendrick. (alibet much much cheaper). If he could maintain his career average K rate in AAA i would be much more confident. In the second half of his performances thus far, his K rate has actually dropped and his BB% has gone up. He’s managing to get a great LOB% (86%), but I tend to think that’s more luck based then anything else. His HR rate has also increased significantly this year in comparison to last. The one statistic that has improved is his batting average against and WHIP. But he’s maintaining a rediculous BABIP Against of .228.

            You and that above review has revised my view. Thanks JMB!

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            1. Re Cloyd. I understand the whole pitch speed and K-rate thing. But it just baffles me as to how a guy with hittable stuff is so unhittable for the entire season. It can’t be luck can it? For this long? And why can AAA guys apparently hit pitchers with better stuff? Y’all can bring up the handful of guys that did well in AAA and not so well in ML. But what I see is a guy that throws the ball where he wants to and consistently keeps guys off balance so they can’t square anything up. That’s called knowing how to pitch and I think translates very well to the majors. The majors are chock full of guys who throw 95 mph and get hit.
              JMO.

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            2. It can be luck, for this long.

              In Greg Maddux best year in 1995, he posted his best opponents BABIP for his career, at .244. His career opponent babip is .281. Randy Johnson? .291. Schilling? .293. Carlton? .279. Halladay? .292.

              Cloyd’s opponents babip at Lehigh this year: .228

              Still convinced?

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            3. It’s not a “handful.”

              Looking at the question from the other side – assume his fastball really does top out at 87-89 under normal circumstances (i.e., consistent velocity as a starter). Are there ANY right handed starting pitchers in modern major league history with that velocity when they came up who were successful over a period of years? All the names mentioned by people as comparisons are left handed, or with a couple more MPH on their fast ball, at least when they started in the majors, or had once in a century command/control, or had maybe one successful season followed by sub-mediocrity, or some combination thereof.

              I might also mention the massive disparity between his ERA and FIP. Some pitchers – but very very few – can maintain an ERA lower than their FIP over a period of years – but never even close to the disparity displayed by Cloyd this year.

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            5. His K/9 was over 7 as recently as 2008, and over 9 in his last minor league season. though I do not know what his velocity was.

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            6. Larry – why are you wasting your time with this?

              The funny thing about all this is that people react as if we hate guys like Tyler Cloyd or Derrick Mitchell. We don’t hate them!!!! To the contrary, we openly root for them! We are just trying to be realistic about their major league prospects. If we are down on a guy’s potential we’d like nothing more than to be proven wrong.

              On another topic – is anyone at the Reading game who might be able to report on Ethan Martin and his velocity? He’s having a good game, albeit with very few strikeouts.

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            7. Mike Ashmore ‏@mashmore98
              Ethan Martin, acquired in the Victorino deal, hitting 95 early on for Reading. 1-2-3 first. Nice hook.

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            8. Thanks – that’s fantastic and definitely what I want to hear. Martin’s had a pretty darned good year in that hitter’s league. I imagine he’ll be pitching in AAA all year next year.

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        2. Millions?!? How much money do you really think Tyler Cloyd is going to be making? Jesus, guys. He’s a right-hander who throws in the upper 80s.

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            1. 3.585 million for the year to put up a 6 k/9 and a 4.7 xfip … FML (I wasn’t talking trash on your post, in a perfectly sane world, neither cloyd or kendrick would be getting that kind of money)

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            2. And KK throws quite a bit harder than Cloyd which should tell you something about Cloyd’s ceiling.

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        3. 3 weeks of service time is essentially nothing, especially when you consider the fact that he probably will spend a decent amount of time in the minors again next year.

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          2. I’m not positive on how arbitration works, does he qualify as a “super 1/2/3” in that event?

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            1. Depends how much time he spends on the 25 man roster in future seasons. I’m almost certain he won’t be a super 2. If the Phillies are in contention all year next year, it wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t on the 25 man much next year

              I found this to be a pretty good description of the entire thing, as well as the links at the bottom.

              http://www.purplerow.com/2009/2/26/770663/mlb-transactions-part-four

              Although it was written before the new CBA, and I’m not really sure what, if anything, the new agreement changes.

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            2. I would bet the Phillies aren’t worried, in the least, about Tyler Cloyd achieving Super Two status.

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      2. Who really cares what they pay KK. He was pitching great in relief, he is horrific as a starter. So, yeah, that makes sense. Let’s make him a starter because we made another mistake by paying him ten times more than he’s worth. Let’s compound our mistake by making another mistake because of what?? His salary? who cares what he makes. He sux as a starter, he was pitching well in relief. And really, what does Cloyd have to do to get a shot on this team? Has he not earned a right to prove at the least that he CAN NOT pitch at this level. We ALREADY know that KK can not pitch at this level, at least as a starter. So WHY WHY WHY do we continue to run him out there and see the same results over and over again. What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. C’mon RAJ, are you insane? KK sux. He belongs in the bullpen, or on a girls softball team. He IS NOT a MLB starting pitcher, period!!

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      1. If then – the team is trying to stay under the luxury tax. They might not add anyone else to the 40-man roster this year if they are in danger of going over.

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        1. I think they are safe in that regard dumping both Pence and Victorino took care of that and when they dumped Blanton also that freed another 2.9 mil so I don’t think there is any luxury tax issue anymore

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          1. Could be – I haven’t seen an analysis of the whole thing. With the extra men they’ve been playing all year, and all the money still on the DL, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was still close.

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    3. The season is not over yet as they are still mathematically alive for the 2nd Wild Card spot but it is a long shot. I think you will see Tyler Cloyd up in September or a bit earlier.

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    4. I agree–it is time to see what Cloyd can do in the majors. In looking at his history, he has learned to pitch in the past 2 years, especially developing the cutter and having great control–when he was a reliever in Clearwater, he had his worst year. For those concerned about strikeout ratio (I love to see guys who hit the mid 90s and have a variety of other pitches–that is not Cloyd), Greg Maddux lasted 23 years with about the same strikeout ratio–6 per 9 innings!

      Other points–it is good to see Adam Morgan move to Reading–should be interesting to see how he does. A real feel good story is Andrew Aizenstadt at Williamsport. Undrafted, came back from an injury to attend graduate school at Virginia Tech and play one year for them. He is old for this level but so far has been very good–hopefully he will move up sometime to a more age appropriate level. Should be fun following him..

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      1. Lol @ Greg Maddux. If your going to frequent this site, at least read the primer. It saves so much time and typing: “One of my biggest pet peeves is comparing a guy with average velocity to Greg Maddux. In his prime, Maddux threw 92-95 mph with excellent movement. That’s an upper echelon fastball, coupled with his elite command and control. He lost velocity past his peak, and eventually ended up in the 87-90 range with his fastball, and his numbers came down with it, but he retained his elite command. Comparing any prospect to Greg Maddux is setting them up to fail. He’s a one in a generation talent”

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        1. You can repeat that explanation until you are’blue in the face’. Guys will still compare every RH minor league pitcher they root for (that has no velocity) to the 35 year old version of Greg Maddux. If the guy is LH, then its Glavine. If he has nothing, its Moyer.

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        2. Technically, Maddux ended up as an 85-86 mph guy his last 3-4 seasons but the rest is accurate.

          Maddux was probably one of the top 5 pitchers to ever play the game…at no time should any prospect ever be compared to him.

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        3. I think you missed the point of his post on Maddux…his K/9 was 6 for his career, with both combined early Maddux 92-94 velo and the twilight Maddux of 87-89.

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          1. I didn’t miss the point at all. Don’t bring up Greg Maddux, ever, on a prospect forum/board. You don’t derive statistical meaning from him.

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        4. I think the point people miss about Maddux … they realize he is once in a generation, that he isn’t really a comp for Cloyd. But they think, well, Maddux was an all time great with that velocity, so maybe Cloyd can be a solid or better major leaguer with the same velocity.

          The problem with that, aside of course from the fact that Maddux threw pretty hard when he broke in, is that it isn’t linear. Once velocity drops that low, espeically for a right handed pitcher, the margin of success is pretty small. You really need to have perfect command/control/movement. You can go from Maddux to a plus 5.00 era in the blink of an eye.

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      2. Gotta be careful with those maddox comps… Jamie Moyer might be a better comp (before his fastball dropped to the 70’s…) and you’ll get much less grief using that comparison.

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  6. Kevin Brady… great start to the year… for those of you who don’t know, he’s a hard throwing (95mph) righty out of clemson… his knock was injury problems. I would love to see him speed through the system ALA Morgan.

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    1. Since he’s a college guy, he’ll need to skip 1 level in order to reach AAA by year 4 and not be placed on the 40 man. So it’s likely he’ll skip Lakewood.

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  7. More zeros for Douglas Parada in VSL. I think Cloyd will be in LHV until they miss the playoffs. He is their only sure bet for a win. There is time in September to see him pitch for the Phillies. Brady is dominating short season while Manaure Martinez has some adjustment to make at the higher level.

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  8. Anyone know why Tocci comes out of games early? Jonathan Knight uasually subs for him for 1-2 AB’s and today it looks like Cozens came in for him. Is it defensive problems? Is it becuase he’s 16 and they don’t want to ride him that hard?

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    3. They also have 8 OF that need some playing time. I kind of suspect Knight and Golden were somewhat unanticipated signings. Does not mean they are not prospects. They just rank below the guys with the larger bonuses for now.

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      1. Speaking of Knight, did anyone notice his scoring from second on FO 4-6 yesterday? It was the go-ahead run. He was pulled immediately afterward. Was it discipline or was he hurt?

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    4. I hope they get him on a wicked powerlifting routine this winter… Eat 5 meals/5000 calories a day, Sleep 12 Hours a Day (2 naps + overnight), Power Cleans, Bench Press, Military Press, Dead Lift, Squat and Sprints/Swim, done. Kids gotta be close to his peak testosterone levels, now’s the time.

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      2. Sounds very much like my vacation regimen if you eliminate everything but the 5,000 calories and the two naps.

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  9. Patrick (Atlanta): What’s your take on Adam Morgan? He seems to have a plus fastball to go along with a change and slider that verge on plus. Do you see him as a #2/3 starter, or a far different take on his future?

    J.J. Cooper: I’m a big Morgan fan. He’s a very good sleeper prospect who has command + stuff. I see him as a potentially very solid No. 3.

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    1. I didn’t have his FB at plus (I quested his Velo yesterday I believe), that said, good to hear as a projected #3, especially becuase he could be a sept. call-up / emergency starter next year if he continues to crush it at reading.

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        1. According this article, there are only about a dozen number one starters in baseball and Greinke and Matt Cain are number two starters. Ridiculous.

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            1. Hopefully, and Charlie is much smarter than I am about managing, but I can recognize nonsense when I see it.

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          2. I always assumed that a pitcher was a “#1” if they ranked in the top 30 pitchers in mlb, a “#2” if they ranked 31-60, and so on.

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            2. Well, there are maybe 15 pitchers we expect to be in the top 30 year in and year out. Just like an “all-star level player” isn’t a guy who made the ASG once.

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            3. Sickels took his definitions straight from what is in the BA handbook every year. It has nothing to do with the pitchers current ranking, ERA or FIP. It’s based on whether the pitcher has plus pitches and plus command.

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            4. That’s why the Phillies do not have any current projected #1s in the system. The pitchers who have plus pitches(May, Martin) don’t have plus command. The command guys don’t have the pitches.

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        2. Worley is a #3-4. He has enough stuff to get people out and have a decent era, but lacks the elite pitches and skill set that true #1s have.

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        3. I’m not sure I agree with all of these player classifications, although the generic definitions appear to be fine. According to him there is only one grade separating Matt Cain and Joe Blanton. Seems like a pretty wide chasm to me. I view Cain as a number 1 – he’s among the top 10-15 pitchers in baseball that you would want for the next 5 years and definitely a guy you would be happy to have starting the 7th game of the World Series.

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          1. “There is usually a fairly clear dividing line between a Number Three and Number One/Two.”

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            1. Perhaps the pitchers he describes as a 3, I view as a 4 or even a 5. Joe Blanton has, in my view, never been a 3 in the time has been with the Phillies. To me, a 3 is a really solid pitcher – a guy with a 3.6 ERA who keeps you in games and goes to the 7th inning. To me, last year, Vance Worley was a 3. Hiroki Kuroda is/was a 3. Tim Hudson the last few years, was a 3. But Joe Blanton ? Not for me.

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            2. Since #3 is the middle starter, they should be about league average. That’s around 4.00 ERA in the NL, and 4.20 in the AL.

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            3. It doesn’t have to be that way, however. If that were true, then a #1 would be the average best pitcher on a staff, but they have raised the bar much higher than that. This is all subjective, when you come down to it. I agree that a #1 is an elite pitcher. In my mind, a #2 is a excellent and near elite pitcher. A #3 is a very solid, clearly above-average pitcher. A #4 is an okay pitcher – a guy who keeps you in games – basically, Blanton in a good year or Vance Worley this year. A #5 is a borderline pitcher – a guy who is essentially a 0-1 WAR player. That’s just how I view things. There are no set rules, really.

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      2. I would put Worley as a solid #4 who pitched like a 3 last year, but the stuff just isn’t there. A solid #3 in my mind would be AJ Burnett (except his Yankee years) or Mark Buehrle. The going rate for a good #3 is 10-14 million a year. Going into the year the Phillies had 3 #1 pitchers. I would argue now that you have a #1 (Hamels), a solid #2 low end #1 (Lee), and a solid #2 (Halladay). Developing any pitcher into a 3 would be amazing for this team. I think right now there are only three pitching prospects with #2 upside in the system in Biddle, May, and Colvin of which the last two are only there because of stuff and a pipe dream they learn some command. But #3 upside is awesome.

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        2. I’m assuming your classification on Lee and Halladay being #2’s is based on their statistical performance this year, not what they are likely to achieve next year?

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          1. It is based on their stuff, Lee hasn’t lost as much as Halladay but he has lost some. The main thing that I would make them #2 are based on loss of durability (Halladay) and I think some slipping on the command (Lee). They are small knocks but if you can be knocked then you aren’t a #1.

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            1. Lee is throwing harder than he ever has, and his K rate is the 2nd highest of his career. I don’t really think he’s lost anything, he’s just having a tough year. He’ll be back next year. Halladay I’m not so sure, because we just don’t know if he’s going to be healthy next year.

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  10. Brian (Philly): What do you think about Cesar Hernandez? He’s done nothing but produce and yet isn’t on any top 100 prospect list?

    J.J. Cooper: Sorry but he’s not close to a Top 100 list. When you say he’s done nothing but produce, he’s a high-average guy who’s offensive production is tied almost entirely to his batting average. He doesn’t walk a whole lot, he has some speed, but he struggled to use it on the basepaths because he gets thrown out a lot trying to steal. He’s average defensively at second. Add it all up and he’s an OK prospect, but not a great one.

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      1. That’s not exactly what he said. He said RIGHT NOW Asche projects as a utility player, but he’s been improving and could project as a major league regular soon.

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  11. Funny that he says Cesar is just average defensively but voted top defensive 2nd Basemen in the Eastern League on their Minor League best tools article.

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      1. If I remember correctly, Chase Utley’s glove was considered a defensive liability by most pundits when he was a prospect, and even early into his career. A lot of these guys rely on generalizations.

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        1. Except in this case Utley’s glove was a liability early in his career. He put in a tremendous amount of work to turn himself into an excellent defender.

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    2. Agreed. His other comments are fair, but Cesar has a pretty decent upside with the glove. He’s very smooth, coodinated and quick. I also think you really need to see Cesar to fully appreciate his gifts. I think he has quite a bit more upside than he suggests, but he’s not a top 100 prospect, at least not now.

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    3. And this is the problem with the national guys, they don’t see the players enough to really get a good feel. That said, it’s the best we have until the phuturephillies site hires a scout of it’s own. (BTW, who else would absolutely love that idea?)

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      1. I would. I’d settle for an interview with somebody who works for the team and who could answer all our geeky minor league questions about 24 y.o. relievers in A ball.

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  12. Trevor May’s last 3 starts have been, well, an improvement. Hopefully he’s getting himself righted and finishes strong.

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  13. Summation of Phillies on the Best Tools:
    International League
    Tyler Cloyd – Best Control
    Eastern League
    Cesear Hernandez – Best Defensive 2B
    Florida State League
    Adam Morgan – Best Changeup
    Cody Asche – Best Defensive 3B

    No SAL best tools

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    1. Wait … who said Asche was the best defensive 3B in the EL? All I’ve ever heard is that he’s competent at best playing the position.

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      1. It was the FSL. It’s a poll by managers, I believe. I thought it was a head scratcher as well.

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        1. I’ve posted this a couple times, and obviously I’m not a scout…just some guy on with a dumb name on this website but I saw Cody Asche play one game (yes I know, extremely small sample size) in Trenton, and I came away thinking he could definitely play 3B in the majors.

          Looked smooth on his routine plays, made a nice diving play, and throw on a ball in the hole, and then made a couple nice plays to his left where he made good throws across his body.

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          1. I actually remember that post you made, and it seems there is some significant disparity on Asche’s defensive prowless… Hoping that minor league managers and your reports are right and the talking heads are wrong.

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  14. Regarding Cloyd, why mess with the run the Pigs are on too? They are making a playoff push, Dom Brown is one thing, but Cloyd can finish down there and make a few starts here in September and the Phils do not have a shot at the 2nd wild card, stop kidding yourselves.

    Also a 22nd round pick for the brewers that throws in the upper 80’s with great control that was never a prospect has a 1.80 era over 80 innings since his call up in May, name is Michael Fiers. Look him up.

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    1. You’re right about Fiers velocity, but it’s only been 80 innings and Fiers’ K/9 in the minors was a lot better.

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    2. Guessing that Michael Friers will be fortunate to pitch a full season next year and finish with an ERA under 4. Its not unusual for a guy to come up from the minors and have early success the 1st time through the league. Take a look at Kyle Kendricks first season. He was 5th in the ROY voting in 2007.

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    1. Loving this year’s draft results so far. The High school guys(Watson, Gueller, Cozens, Green, Pullin) are all performing well. Even the 100K guys(Golden, Bielski) are holding their own. The college pitchers (Milner and Brady) are performing. Preseason, they were both rated top 50 college players, by BA. It will be interesting to see where these 1st year players fall on the BA top 30.
      I’m not too impressed by the college position players. Serritella is OK with the bat(swing looks a little like Sean Casey), but he isn’t saving any errors. Perkins’ swing is seems a little awkward to me, but he is doing OK. Don’t know what to make of Carmona due to playing in GCL.

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  17. I don’t think people should be concerned about Roman Quinn’s errors

    1. He was a High School outfielder and has only played 45 games as a SS
    2. His range is excellent and his instincts sharp
    3. His arm strength is very good. Plenty of zip and able to make throws from deep in the hole
    4. His errors are largely off-line throws and routine bobbles, both highly correctable
    5. His first basemen (Serritella, Perkins) are sub-par defensive players and don’t make many scoops
    6. Williamsport’s scorer notoriously protects pitchers’ ERAs and gives errors for almost everything
    7. Williamsport’s infield is goofy and causes problems for everyone playing on it

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    2. Look at Jimmy Rollins error numbers from the minors whenever you get worried about error numbers.

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    3. Didn’t Jonathan Villar have almost 50 errors at SS before they traded him? I think that’s less of a concern with him now. But he’s no Henry Skrimshander, that’s for sure

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  19. While we would love to check the box scores and see Quinn with no errors daily, he is not the first guy to struggle fielding the ball in the low minors. Hopefully, he can improve over time and make the routine plays. I think we’ll know more after a full off-season for him to work on things. I am pretty excited by his offensive potential.

    Nice to see Brady off to a good start. I am very excited by what Tocci is doing at such a young age. This kid could be a good prospect!!

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  21. Ethan Martin with a fine game today. 1ER, 1BB, 2K over 6.1IP. Not concerned with Low Ks, we know his stuff is there. If he can keep his BBs to 2 or less per start, he should be in our top 5.

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  23. Granted, he’s no spring chicken, but D’Arby Myers has quietly been putting up some very interesting numbers as of late at the top of Reading’s order. Over the past 10 days, he’s sporting an 1.183OPS w/ 3hr & 3sb. Any first-hand reports on how he’s looked this year? While it’s probably a little late to hope for him to turn into a major league regular or anything, I think there’s still a little window on his becoming a decent bench bat.

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  27. Was at the Trenton game today, Gorm Heimueller was in Phillies uniform and on the field for Martin’s warm up beside Milaki. RAJ was also in attendance, saw him pest Julio Rodriguez in the stands behind home plate (he was working the gun for scouting, And im guesssing Adam Morgan on clipboard duty next to him, May and Colvin were is the dugout) before slipping away probably to a luxury box. I couldn’t help but notice Trenton ace Vidal Nuno, guy had 7’ks through 3 innings, before Reading’s hitters figured him out the 2nd time through

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    1. Jeremy, were either Heimueller or RAJ approachable by fans before he went to a luxury box?

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      1. Heimueller was in the bullpen while Martin was warming up watching and talking with Bob Milaki, he was dressed in Philadelphia Phillies away uniform, he was in the dugout during the game. RAJ I only saw briefly I was sitting in the section for players (courtesy of Brandon Tripp) right in front of the press box behind home plate a few rows from the split concourse. Julio Rod and Morgan were in the top row of the section in front of me, Having seen RAJ at Reading numerous times, I think fans are just oblivious, also it was camp day game so there was mainly just a lot of little kids. RAJ just lightly tapped Julio on the head, kind of jokingly and then he went up the steps, luxury box is only assumption. As for Heimueller, I didn’t know who it was in the big Phil’s uniform so I asked Darin Ruf and he told me who he was.

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      3. And as for how close RAJ was, I didn’t get my camera out fast enough when he came up, but I took this shot from my seat Julio is in the teal shirt later. So guy in front of me with red hat, walkway for split concourse and the Julio Rodriguez ( Adam Morgan is sitting to the left of him but they had the radar gun and clipboard on the seat between them.)

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      4. I can tell you the Phillies’ staff is usually very approachable at minor league games. I’ve talked to Ruben Amaro personally. Occasionally even president David Montgomery is present at games. And they usually sit behind home plate.

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    1. It also marks the mishandling of a prospect with a great ceiling who was overused by the Phillies . That is nothing to be proud of.

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          1. Has this become the “pull #@$ out of your #@$ board”?

            He pitched *zero* 8 inning games in his career.
            He pitched two 7 inning games in his career.
            He pitched two 6 inning games in his career.

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            1. Might be easier on you jmb if you didn’t take the time to respond to every post with errors in it. Even if it is “pull #@$ out your #@$” dumb. Not sure if you need to prove that you’re smarter than everyone but I would think most of the people on the board can spot a clearly over-the-top statement.

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            2. Mistakes happen, and I make plenty. But making stuff up to further a troll agenda doesn’t belong here.

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            3. I hear ya. You seem to take this stuff seriously, sadly not everyone puts in the effort you do to make sure what they say is based in fact and post based off emotion…..or like you say, to troll.

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            4. I think that guy who compared Tyler Cloyd’s velo to Greg Maddux’s aging velo yesterday or the day before, really got you annoyed.

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            5. Think I should add that I enjoy what you bring to the boards. I’m not a huge stat guy myself but I appreciate the value in that way of thinking. A lot of people speak before they think here.

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      2. 31 innings one year. 85 the next. He averaged five innings per start in that second year. That’s overused?

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      3. When Knapp was drafted it was noted that he had bad delivery. James noted it repeatedly and said he was the pitcher most likely to have arm problems. The board kept saying that the Phils needed to clean it up or he’d be having arm surgery. They traded him at the exact time he needed surgery. I think Cleveland had the opportunity to void the trade or at least guilt trip the Phils into sending another player. They were content with it.

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  29. I haven’t seen any of these posts that have been deleted, so in the interest of me never even reading his posts is it an anon user, or does he have a handle?

    This, of course, is moot if he’s been IP banned.

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  31. Hoby Milner with his second straight good start in Lakewood. Franco is 3-3 so far with a double tonight. I’d probably have him as the #1 position prospect.

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    1. You can make the 3 straight good starts by Milner. He hasn’t given up a run (earned or otherwise) in 18 2/3 innings. He’s a College Junior out of a good baseball school (Texas) and at 21 he’s holding his own in A ball. He’s listed at 165 lbs on his 6’2″ frame so he can add to that. Did i mention he’s a lefty?

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  33. Being a newbie to this board, let me just say I am excited to see what the phuture phillies can bring to the big league club.

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