Box Score Recap 8-4-2012

Box Score Recap

Jon Pettibone with a strong performance at AAA, followed up nicely by Valdes and Aumont, and Sebastian Valle hits his first AAA homerun. Oink.

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81 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 8-4-2012”

  1. Kyle Simon looked really good in relief at reading -gm 2

    Consider we traded Thome for him (and Lino) – quite a good deal.

    Seth Rossin – on the other hand – well, not so good..

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    1. It’s not like Seth Rosin had a bad game. He only allowed 3 hits and 2 walks in 6 innings. It would have been nice to see more K’s though.

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    3. It’s hard to tell how Rosin pitched from his stat line. He only allowed five men on base (3 hits and 2 BB) in 6 innings. Would obviously like to see more than 2 SO, and it’s never good when a pitcher makes a throwing error. Still, it’s not like he got shelled.

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        1. He’s also starting after being a reliever. Very likely he was pacing himself and pitching to contact. We’ll see if those Ks improve. He’s been over a stikeout per inning in his career.

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    4. I wonder what the Phillies will do with Rosin long-term. I was thinking they probably saw him as a reliever, but it’s nice that he’s starting for now.

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  2. Aumont had a nice inning. It’d be great to see him put it together because he definitely has the stuff and the big league club could certainly use him next year.

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      1. It’s funny how much his performance since the break has flown under the radar. Since the break: 9.2 IP, 3 saves, 5 hits (not a typo), 4 BBs (again, not a typo), 13 Ks, 2.0 GO/AO. His FIP on the season is now down to 3.72. If he continues to reign in the walks, that will plummet given his ridiculous 12.27 K/9 (which is actually down from the 14.69 K/9 rate he posted in 2011 at Lehigh). Our future bullpen is starting to look up with Schwimer really rounding into form, JDF getting healthy, Lindblom stepping in, Bastardo continuing to work on his control, and Paps. Not to mention guys like Friend, whose surface numbers are very deceiving (k rate won’t blow anyone away, but has great control and could be a quality middle reliever).

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  3. Good relief by AUmont, knigge, cooper, and Naylor…

    HRs by Ruf and Valle….. And strong start at LHV by Pettibone…

    Cesar Hernandez still all over it…

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    1. Cesar Hernandez will, absent a significant injury, absolutely be a major league baseball player. He’s just too good at too many things not to be a major league player. The real question is whether he can continue to have modest developments with his power and his plate discipline. If he could hit 7-12 homers a year and get on base, say, at a .340-.350 clip, he could probably be a pretty fair starting second baseman. If he develops enough power to hit 12-18 homers, you are probably looking at a minor star.

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      1. I’d like to see him harness his speed a little more. Adding that to his game would help his value, but he’s already probably my favorite prospect because he’s so consistent. A .350 OBP would look really good these days. I’m not sure where to find ML averages for stats but there’s only 51 qualifying players in MLB with a higher on base than .350.

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      4. I just don’t see it at this point – hope I am wrong – I almost think that developing some power is more likely than a .340 – .350 OBP. Just don’t see his BA translating well to the majors, and his Reading OBP is only .341. Still time to develop, but he needs to add plate discipline or some power, or both, before I’ll see him as a legitimate candidate for being a major league regular.

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        1. It’s interesting that you can’t envision the 22 year old Cesar Hernandez developing anymore on-base skills or power, to make him a possible major league regular, but you can get excited about the possibility that the 26 year old Darin Ruf is a possible major league LF.
          It is true that Ruf has hit at every level, but he was 22 when he signed. Cesar Hernandez is 22 right now. He has hit at every level and is in Triple A.
          I see Hernandez as having a better chance at developing his on-base skills at age 22, than Ruf has at transitioning from AA 1B to Major league LF at age 26.

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          1. Well first of all, to be clear, I certainly don’t see Ruf as a better prospect. I said he is a longshot at best. And I certainly haven’t given up on Hernandez by any means. Certainly the age gap is why Hernandez is a better prospect – top 10 in the sytem for sure, maybe top 5 – whereas Ruf is 21 to 30 at best.

            But as to where there are RIGHT NOW … Ruf could hit major league pitching IMO, Hernandez likely not. Yes, the positional and age difference is huge, but so is the hitting abilities, at least currently.

            I guess it’s more a matter of disagreeing with the consensus. The smart people’s take on Ruf is that he is no prospect, a reserve at best. OTOH, people are so excited about Hernandez that they are talking him up as a contributor next year, and seeing him as a likely .340 to .350 OBP guy. That I don’t see without SUBSTANTIAL improvement with plate discipline. Which could happen. But is far from guarenteed.

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            1. “If he could hit 7-12 homers a year and get on base, say, at a .340-.350 clip,” “If” is the big word in that phrase. No where is did anyone say they “see him as likely”

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        2. OTOH FWIW, I haven’t talked to a scout yet that doesn’t think he’s gonna be an everyday player in the big leagues. It is not even a question, it’s just a matter of when and how good.

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  4. Serritella , Walding and Greene 2 for 21 in extras…………. Greene with Golden Sombrero..

    Pullin still raking..

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  5. Ruf really has been ridiculous lately. I know how small his chances are to be more than a major league back up, and how dependent even that is on his being able to play an adequate left field, but the man can flat out hit. leading his league in OPS by a substantial margin, and that’s not BABIP driven.

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    1. Here’s the most confusing thing about Ruf to me: If they have indeed decided that they he has a ML bat and that he should learn LF (as they’ve said publicly), why not play him in LF everyday? What is this every other day stuff? What is there to gain by having him play 1B at all? If you think his future is at LF, then let’s go all in. Every day he plays 1B is a day missed in developing him as a LF.

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    2. He could be a nice chip in a packaged deal with an AL team looking for RH-DH hitting prowess.

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      1. Not really.

        I cant get into this again, because I think I may still have high blood pressure from arguing this same thing when people on here were saying Matt Rizzotti could DH in the American League.

        I dont want to reference the wrong person, but I believe it was Alan (?) who repeatedly tried to say Matt Rizzotti could put up the numbers that Adam Lind does. Just for the record:

        Adam Lind – .264 with 114 HRs in major leagues

        Matt Rizzotti – 0 major league ABs. hitting .259 with 5 HR, 29 RBI in AAA and AA this year

        Long story short, just because Ruf will likely not be an everyday 1B in the majors, and almost certainly will not be an everyday LF in the majors, DOES NOT mean he can DH in the AL. I will say the same thing I said last time, please tell me which current DH’s he could replace numbers-wise in the majors, and why that team would prefer to have Darrin Ruf over their current DH? Lets start there.

        Thanks

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        1. I said that and my point has repeatedly been missed. Adam Lind had a .287 OBP in 2010. And since then he’s been optioned to AAA, clearing waivers in the process. When I make that comparison, does it sound like I’m referring to Rizzotti as a potentially valuable player? Lind was a replacement level player at the time, like he is now.

          Lind outside of 2009 (which I never would have expected Rizzotti to do) is ultimately a pretty crappy player. One with a couple numbers (114 career HRs) that make him look respectable. But Lind has a 91 OPS+ from 2010-12. As a 1B/DH. Is that anything to write home about? I mean really, you’re still on about a comparison to a player who was optioned to AAA?!

          My point at the time was that Rizzotti would put up a couple numbers but ultimately he was a replacement level player. That was not inaccurate. Replacement level players aren’t prospects.

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          1. And my point is still missed apparently.

            Granted Adam Lind may be a “pretty crappy player” but fact is he hit 114 HR and The Rizz can’t even crack the majors and in fact has been demoted o AA. So how were you “not innacurate” when you were claiming that The Rizz could DH in the majors and put up Adam Lind type numbers? The Rizz is languishing AA rite now, not putting up ADam Lind type numbers in the bigs. How was what you said anything but inaccurate? You should be a politician Alan.

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  6. We were all very excited with the rookie season that D’Arby Myers had in 2006 and quickly wrote him off as another toolshed athlete that would never be a baseball player when he failed to reproduce those numbers in the next few years. Well, after moving from Clearwater to Reading during the season- and years after we had all buried him- don’t look now, but he is starting to look like there could be something there after all. And this is still only his age 23 season, despite having been around for what seems like forever.

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    1. I don’t buy it … if he were thought of as anyone with potential, he’d have more than 144 ABs this year.

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    2. Sandwich pick between Jason Donald and Quentin Berry…and still toiling in AA! Oh the humanity of it all!

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      1. You might want to look at the ages of the Myers, Donald and Q. Myers is 4 years younger than both of the other guys. Donald was in AA batting .307 at 23. Q was in CLW at 23. It surprises me every year that D’Arby isn’t released. He’s really only had the one decent year and that was when he was 17. He’s hurt often. He’s only played in 70 or more games in a season twice and that was 2008 and 2009. It appears he’ll play less than 70 games once again. He’s having a good year so far and no one is more surprised than me. He’s not in the top 30. I’d make a bet right now that he’ll never play in Philly unless it’s an exhibition game with a minor league affiliate. Most likely his one claim to fame will be that he’s Shaq’s cousin. His age and current year stats at least make him intriguing to watch.

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  9. And Aumont with a terrible game today. 3 walks, 2 runs. Blew the lead. If only he could develop some consistency.

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  10. I don’t want this post to be taken the wrong way, as I’m not arguing for or against any of the trades the Phils have made in the last 5 years. But if you ignore all trades – those in which we traded away prospects and those in which we acquired prospects – the Phils farm system in the upper levels would be a rather impressive collection of graduates and prospects.

    Catcher – D’Arnaud would likely be MLB ready in ’13 as one of the top prospects in baseball. Right behind him would be Valle, and then Rupp. Lou Marson appears to have become a serviceable major league backup catcher.

    1st Base – Jonathan Singleton would be heading to AAA as a Top 100 prospect.

    2nd Base – Cesar Hernandez likely at AAA to start ’13. I’ll count Jason Donald here as a graduated utility infielder in the bigs.

    Shortstop – Freddy Galvis graduates to the bigs as a likely starting SS in the majors. Jonathan Villar would likely be a starting SS at AAA next year and a solid prospect.

    3rd Base – Likely Cody Asche starting ’13 in AAA as a real solid prospect.

    Outfield – Graduates would include likely MLB starters Bourn, Dom Brown and Anthony Gose, and likely reserve Michael Taylor. AAA’s OF would likely be Darin Ruf in LF and Leandro Castro in RF. AA OF might be Domingo Santana, Jiwan James, and Collier.

    Starting Pitchers – Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, Drabek, Carrasco, and Happ have all graduated. At AAA, Pettibone, Cloyd, Rosenberg, Cosart, and May. At AA, Colvin, Biddle, Morgan, Wright, and JRod.
    Bullpen – Graduates include Bastardo, Stutes, Outman, Worley, Kendrick, Diekman, Schwimer, and likely by next year DeFratus. Prospects reaching AAA or AA might include Bonilla, Giles, Knigge, and others.

    After all this, factor in Franco, Quinn, Greene Jr, Walding, Gueller, Watson, Tocci, Green, Cozens, etc and this to me looks like a top 5 farm system in baseball.

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    1. Problem there is that except for Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez and Michael Bourn, none of those guys are really good right now. I think it’s striking how poorly the prospect class of 2007 or so ultimately panned out. Drabek is out, Golson was a bust, Marson and Donald are backups, Carlos Carrasco is a fifth starter. If we kept that class instead of making trades, the 2012 Phillies would look even worse.

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      1. There’s the chance that those guys would have developed differently had they remained with the Phillies though. We can never know. A lot of those guys are still young, too. One that wasn’t mentioned was Adrian Cardenas, who’s still only 24 and seems ready to get a legit shot at the majors. He hasn’t really had one yet.

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    2. The Phillies would have a great minor league system in this case. They also would not have even made the playoffs the last three years (maybe 2009, but unlikely in 2010 and 2011) and would be even worse than they are now. Bad major league teams *should* have good/great minor league systems.

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  12. I fell into the Rizzotti trap over the prior two years. Had good walk rate, significant power, and a good average. He could hit, so it seemed to me. He was a poor fielder, only a 1B. But I thought he’d at least be a backup/PH for an AL team.
    When he went unclaimed from waivers I was proved wrong. He has no value if no other team would pick him up for nothing more than a 40-man roster spot. And this was after he had shown he could hit at AFL and AAA.

    No reason for Phillies to spend too much time ‘grooming’ Ruf. If there is noboby else for LF, then play him there, but Phillies also need to develop pitchers would like good defense behind them. Ruf does not deserve a 40-man roster spot so let him stay in minors (AA or AAA does not matter too much). Bring him up, like Susdorf this year, to AAA next year and see how he hits. If all goes wrong and Ruf is crushing the ball he may get a brief chance, either with Phillies or elsewhere.

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    1. Well, not exactly rehab, and if that is what they are calling it, it must be mental rehabilitation

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  15. A story in the Inquirer indicated the Phillies will receive a ptbnl from the Dodgers 2011 draft. Drafted players can’t be traded until after one year. The Dodgers signed 5 players after August last year:

    Chris Reed RHP 1st Round
    Scott Barlow RHP 6th Round
    Tyler Ogle C 9th Round
    Ryan O’Sullivan RHP 10th Round
    Kevin Taylor 2B 36th Round

    The Dodgers wouldn’t trade their 1st round pick in a waiver deal, so Chris Reed can be eliminated. I can’t find any info on Barlow pitching this year, so he is probably hurt. Tyler Ogle is a college catcher, so I can’t see the Phillies picking him to compete with Ludy and Moore.
    I am going to guess the Phillies will receive either college pitcher, Ryan O’Sullivan or JC 2nd baseman, Kevin Taylor for Joe Blanton.

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      1. I recall reading they wouldn’t include Reed in a deal for Dempster, so they definitely wouldn’t do that in a waiver deal for Blanton. I believe O’Sullivan was the Dodgers #23 ranked prospect, so that would be a good return for Blanton.

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        1. The Dodgers may have felt that Blanton was the best they could do, after the deadline and they were even more motivated because Lily may not make it back any time soon, any way for our sake I hope its Reed, but O’Sullivan would not be too bad

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        2. Jon Mayo on Ryan O’Sullivan:
          Ryan O’Sullivan—Rank: 18 in LAD System—-Rancho Cucamonga Quakes (A+)—ETA: 2013 – Position: RHP—-Age: 21, DOB: 09/05/1990—-Bats: R, Throws: R—-Height: 6′ 2″, Weight: 190—–Drafted: 2011, 4th (134)
          The younger brother of Sean O’Sullivan, most recently seen in the big leagues in Kansas City, Ryan hasn’t taken the most direct path to pro ball. He didn’t sign out of high school, opting for San Diego State instead. That didn’t go so well as an elbow injury, followed by academic difficulties, forced him to head to junior college. He didn’t pitch in the spring of 2011, either, so the Dodgers drafted him based on bullpen sessions. It might be a steal. O’Sullivan has thrown very well in his first full season, with a fastball that can touch 95 mph, a slider and a changeup that all can work for him. He was promoted to Class A Advanced Rancho Cucamonga on June 25.

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    2. It also could be that the Dodgers gave us a list of players to choose from and the Phillies could be following them for a few weeks to decide.

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      1. Could be, but the writer indicated that the reason it is a ptbnl, is due to a procedural issue. That leads me to believe it’s not because they are choosing from a list. It would be because they are waiting until player’s signing date anniversary.

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          1. You would think Domingo Santana was the 2nd coming of Barry Bonds the way he is talked about since that trade.

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      2. The ptbnl for Victorino could be a player that has to be protected on the 40 man roster. They could be waiting until the off-season to receive him, so they don’t have to release anybody yet.

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  17. Brody Colvin with a nice start tonight 6 IP 1 hit, 2 run both earned 5k’s but 4 walks. Hiting 91-94 consistently on the gun

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    1. I’d call that average. Most of those walks were early on, so I guess he was able to settle down.

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      1. He retired 10 in a row at one point and was dominant during that time. In his last inning he started the inning with a walk then ended up getting a K and double play to finish his night

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    2. For a guy whose entire problem is his inability to throw strikes, I would rate his evening as “below average”. He walked 4, hit a guy, and allowed a run to score on a WP.

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  19. Love checking into this site. Great articles and educated posters. Like what the big club has done in getting some younger players this year. Any idea when Martin pitches?

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    1. That’s a good question. People seem to be combining the two PTBNLs into a better prospect. Are we sure that’s true?

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      1. I would rather take two than one, because that one will not be elite. I would rather take two solid players and develop them into big leaguers than one who just has hype

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