Box Score Recap – 6-25-2012

Box Score Recap

Cameron Rupp with 6 XBH out of his last 9 hits.  He’s the anti-Asche.

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88 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 6-25-2012”

  1. LG Jr. has drawn a walk in each of the last six games. Gotta love that from the big fella.

    I’m going to guess the opposing pitcher in Clearwater had little interest in holding runners on base.

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    2. One thing I am noticing about Larry Greene (other than walks) is that most of his outs are being made to the Left side of the field. In spring training, someone mentioned ‘slow bat’ in reference to Greene.
      It’s hard to tell without seeing the player, whether the outs to the left side are due to the hitter consciously trying to hit outside pitches the other way, or if he doesn’t have bat speed.

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    1. Trading a legit prospect with an ERA of 4.97 would be the opposite of selling high.

      He is young, he’s got good stuff, he has the strength to be a starter, give him some time to figure it out. His HR/FB is more than twice what it was in previous years. I’m assuming that will come down over the course of the year (though I recognize that he is a fly ball pitcher and his previous stops benefitted fly ball guys).

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    2. Aren’t you the same guy that just compared the Pence deal to the Cliff Lee/Grady Sizemore deal? If you’re going to be an idiot could you at least maintain SOME consistency?

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    3. Cholly says:
      June 26, 2012 at 7:22 AM

      Need to start developing some younger guys now.

      Cholly says:
      June 26, 2012 at 7:56 AM

      Trevor May… future closer. Phils should sell high on him now.

      GregA says: ??

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      1. I seriously don’t know where this new crop of posters came from. Did PP get linked on Philly.com or something? It’s like an epidemic of WIP callers are commenting on this site now.

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  4. I was just going to point out the thing about Larry Greene getting on base–that’s actually very encouraging to me. By all accounts, he’s a hitter, so the hits will come, but the discipline is nice to see at a young age, especially when he could very well be getting anxious.

    Per Matt Gelb in the Inquirer, the Phillies don’t have anyone to start tomorrow night, but Julio Rodriguez is lined up to start for reading. I wonder if they might give him a shot at a spot start, a la Bastardo’s debut a few years ago? I, for one, would be very interested to finally see how he’s been getting people out all these years, and whether it works on major league hitters. He’s not on the 40-man, but both Herndon and Stutes can go on the 60-day DL at this point, I think, and they’re going to have to protect him after the season anyhow if they don’t want to expose him to the Rule 5 draft. (I think? He was drafted in 2008.)

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    1. If they use J-Rod I think it would be as a precursor to a move to AAA in much the same way as they worked with Worley two years ago. There are definitely 40 man spots available to put him, that being said, I think it will be a bullpen game.

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    3. ACA – was about to post likewise with respect to JRod. It wouldn’t be the first time the FO reached for a go in AA (Kendrick, Bastardo) and JRod is exactly the kind of pitcher who can have success in a spot start. There’s absolutely nothing to lose as we goes right back to Reading after the start.

      Regarding May; I’m really not all that upset by his performance this year. This was a big jump for him and he’s still an unpolished pitcher who won’t turn 23 until season’s end. The Ks are still there, and if he could finish the year with a middling 4’s ERA, then I’d be content. I still think he has No. 2 upside, but his #1 prospect rating is more a result of a system devoid of impact prospects so I tend to be a bit more lenient with him.

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    4. I think it all depends on Worley’s performance tonight. If he goes 7 innings, then it’ll be a bullpen game tomorrow. If not, and the bullpen gets burned out, then look for somebody to get called up. They have the 40 man spot to do it (by putting Herndon on the 60 man), and sending down Schwimer. After the game, he can get sent down again and call up JC Ramirez.

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    5. The cost of using J-Rod would be one of his option years, assuming he gets sent down again. So it is not just the 60-day DL maneuvering. I do think we should protect him this winter, though he is the type of borderline talent that might use all 3 option years to establish himself.

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      1. That’s a good point. Cochran is lined up to pitch for LV. He has options, (not that it’ dbe a huge concern if he didn’t), and as people mentioned, there’s a 40-man spot to be had with Herndon down for the year. One game with Cochran and he’s your next option for the rest of the year and doesn’t burn JRod’s first option year. It’s like a bullpen game except the guy’s stretched out, so maybe he gives you 5 innings instead of 3.

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      2. Understand you point, and I don’t recall the exact circumstances of the call-ups of Bastardo and Kendrick (ie, whether they were already on the 40 man or had to be added, burned an option, etc), but it seems to me like this would be more of an issue with someone like May, someone who figures to be a big part of their future, rather than J-Rod, a fringe guy. Although, I guess the case of Kendrick just goes to show you that fringe guys sometimes, against all odds, find ways to hang around the majors, acquire (and lose!) World Series rings, marry reality TV stars, and make millions of dollars.

        I think the bigger issue would be who do they send down from the already depleted bullpen if they call up someone? Schwimer has actually been fairly competent at times, at least compared to Rosenberg, and Ramirez is untested. Here’s an off-the-wall thought: could J-Rod work in a relief role? Seems like his K numbers and apparent deceptiveness would perhaps make him an intriguing candidate.

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        1. To clarify: the scenario I’m suggesting is that J-Rod starts against the Pirates, with the idea that if he does well maybe he sticks around as the long man/spot starter/last righthanded relief option, the role that Kendrick was playing before Halladay went down.

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          1. If that’s the case, and if he can last until Sept. 1 as the “swing man”, then you’re not burning an option on JRod for 2012. In that scenario, you are stunting his progression through the minors, but he can go back to AAA next year with good experience and continue to work there as a starter with three full option years left. So maybe not a bad idea.

            And yes, Cochran’s BB rate is bad. He’s not necessarily a good bet to win you a game, but he’s not been bad the last couple weeks, so maybe he keeps you in it.

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        2. I think you’re MORE worried about the fringe guy’s options than the top prospects options. Fringe guys would logically spend more time bouncing around, while you would expect (hope) that top prospects get called up once or twice and stay there.

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    6. I like JRod, but his control has been an issue this season (37 BB in 77 IP) and it is likely to be an issue if they let him jump to the majors, as it has been for Schwimer, Diekman, Rosenberg, etc. Cochran has walked 29 in 51 innings, so his control is even more suspect. Personally, I would like to see Cloyd, but he pitched on June 23rd. The Phillies must have some plan; I would hate to think that this took them by surprise.

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    7. as much as i would like to see him right now i want to see Tyler Cloyd get a start…he has been pitching well all year and is also deserving of a spot start

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  5. Too early to give up on May, we don’t know he may be working on a specific part of his arsenal. Who would have thought Worley would have the year plus of success he has had at the major league level, no one! May has swing and miss stuff and needs to refine things.

    On a positive note, Pettibone, Cloyd and Biddle have been outstanding. Asche has struggled at AA, but I this is what needed to happen. Get him to AA quickly as a college guy. He will get his feet on the ground prior to next year and head into the offseason on steady footing.

    I enjoy checking the WPort Box each day! Exciting to see position prospects.

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    1. It’s just a streak, but I’m excited to see Altherr put up those numbers.

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  7. I can’t believe people are saying that May needs to be moved to the bullpen, the kid gave up 3 runs over 6 innings and struck out 7. That’s a bad night? He kept his team in the game the entire time not his fault they didn’t score runs.

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    1. Take away two bad starts in late May/early June, and his ERA is 3.77. He leads the Eastern League in strikeouts and his BB/9 is actually down compared to last year. He’s still on track to be a solid 2/3 in the bigs.

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    2. I think people are frustrated that he’s not having a dominant AA season. But at this point, he’s still young enough to get better.

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      1. I wonder if the O’s have given up on Dylan Bundy….

        He’s not doing too well in AA either. I guess he should just throw in the towel too, hack!

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          1. What point is that? Dylan Bundy is 19 years old in A+. May is 22 years old in AA. Their situations are totally different.

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            1. His point is that you shouldn’t give up on young players when they struggle for a little bit.

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            2. At least I assumed that was his point. Perhaps I was wrong. Anyway, my point is that you shouldn’t get all upset if young players struggle at a new/higher level.

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            3. VOR….since you are stickler on details and minutia, Dylan Bundy turns 20 in 4 1/2 months.

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  8. I think JRod is the perfect option for Wednesday. They have to add him to the 40 man this year anyway and move Stutes/Herndon to 60 day. Also its vs Pittsburgh and you cant ask for a more favorable matchup.
    @Anonymous I didnt say May should be moved to the pen. It seems to me that hes hit a wall as a starter and wouldnt be surprising to see him end up being a closer.

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    1. For some strange cba reason, he can’t sign a contract until july 1st because of where he’s from. Prob have it all worked out and are just waiting.

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      1. If I understand correctly, Iowas plays there high school games during the summer and he can’t sign until his season is complete

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    1. Stutes is having surgery on his shoulder today, believe it is exploratory so you never know what they will have.

      Example: I just had shoulder surgery 6 weeks ago for a bone spur in my shoulder and ended up having my rotator cuff, labrum, and bicep tendon all repaired…. 2 MRI’s showed no tears!

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      1. Sounds like a shoulder surgeon needed to meet his quota for the second quarter.

        Just kidding! I hope your recovery goes well.

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      2. Yeap, I got some weird procedure done when I was going in for a SLAP repair. Shoulders are the hardest joint to diagnose and fix.

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      3. I think they already did the exploratory surgery about a week ago, which showed that he needed an actual procedure, which I would guess is what they’re doing today.

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      4. Whoa. bergeraj…my shoulder has been waking me up at night…two shots already since February.

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    2. Someone posted a before and after on Twitter. By noon yesterday the water had receded. What that means for the underlying field conditions is beyond my knowledge of turf science. Which is, admittedly, limited to dumping that sandy stuff on divots.

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    3. Also, the GCL field and Brighthouse field may very well have very different drainage and recovery systems. So that before/after might not apply to GCL.

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      1. Topographically Clearwater is a few feet above sea level. In a normal period, you can probably dig a hole a few feet down and hit water. Most of Florida is that way. I remember reading that Disneyworld was built up so they could have tunnels under the park to move goods, services and Disney Characters without walking through the park. they couldn’t dig down because everything would have been under water. They brought in so much fill that they probably created another bay from where they excavated. I think the Gulf of Mexico was created by the soil extraction. Okay, I lied about that last part.

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  12. More info on Alec Rash. The MZ web site: simmonsfield.com dated 6/24 says although the Phillies are 218,100 under budget they may not buck the system and sign Rash according to Jim Callis of B.A . Rash is slotted for a 500,000 bonus but if the phillies exceed a 525,000 bonus the penalties kick in and the Phillies brass don’t want to pay the penalty . You need to be a CPA to figure this all out ? If anyone has better understanding , please share.

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    1. The Phils are $218K under budget at the moment. If they had to, they could offer $718K to Rash but no one after round 10 could get move than $100K. That’s the way I read it. They might like to sign Rash for slot and then go get someone else for more than $100K. At least I believe this to be accurate.

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      1. Go for the quality pick and give the money to Rash , no one after round 10 is worth more than 100K in my opinion.

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            1. Oh I’m all for signing rash, if we sign him I will be very happy with this draft. I’m just saying that those 3 do deserve more than 100k, but I don’t think we’ll sign any of them

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          2. Those guys would have to be signable for $318k to not pay a penalty. If they are, ( I defer to others on that point), then maybe that’s why the Phils would halt on giving Rash more than slot.

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    3. That “article” has some serious misinformation in it. The author clearly doesn’t understand the new bonus pool rules. The 5% applies to the total bonus pool ($4.9M for the Phillies), not for any single player relative to slot value. So the info that the Phils can’t offer Rash more than $525k without losing a future draft pick is bogus. As noted in a post above, the Phillies can offer Rash up to $718k without incurring any penalty, and $245k more (5% of $4.9M bonus pool) if they are willing to pay a 75% tax on the additional $245k (i.e., a tax of about $184k).

      That said, I tend the doubt the Phillies are willing to pay any tax, and I’m sure they would prefer to sign Rash at slot and use the $218k underage to offer another draftee. Still, I expect the Phillies to sign Rash.

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      1. Edit to above – Appanently Carmona recently signed for $125k, $25k above slot, so the $218k bonus pool “underage” is now reduced to $193k.

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  13. Brad, I’m glad you mentioned Rupp. I’d like to see a higher average, less K’s, better OBP and get that OPs up. But he has power and his defense is pretty darn good. He has a 35% caught stealing rate. He has 6 Errors and 4 PBs in 53 games. He’s listed at 6’1″ 240. How would you like to come barreling down the line trying to score? the question in your mind might be, who left the freakin’ mack truck at home plate. Valle had a 32% CS% last year in CLW with 2 Es and 11 PBs. Valle’s listed as 35 pounds lighter. I might try to run him over. I probably wouldn’t succeed but I might give it a try. Rupp’s a different story.

    When Rupp was drafted they talked about very good defense and power capability. They didn’t know if he could hit enough. So far, that’s exactly how he looks. Last year, he started slow and came on at the end of the year. He ended up hitting .272. If he has a good July and August, he’ll be behind Valle on the depth chart but at least on the depth chart. Rupp’s 2 years older than Valle so that provides a significant discount.

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  14. just wondering if anyone has seen rupp in person?? when i watched him play for texas, thought he had a chance to be good hitter, saw him go to right and right center,love to see right hand batters who go with the pitch, but have been disappointed in his over all average so far, especiall comeing from texas program. should be more advanced as a hitter.

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    1. I’ve seen him twice in person and he just does not seem like he moves well behind the plate. He is a big guy and each game I’ve seen him he’s gotten his feet tangled on a SB attempt. Small sample, but he did not look like a polished college defensive catcher.

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    2. roccom….’comeing from texas program. should be more advanced as a hitter’…who were the best Longhorn hitters? I know of many pitchers, but cannot recall a plethora of hitters.

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    3. He’s the best Phillies catching prospect from the University of Texas since Mack Burk .
      I know when I looked at the videos for guys in the draft his draft year he was the only one I was thinking that I hope’d they did not draft him. The blurb on there said he may not hit for average, and as I recall he did not hit for much of an average in College given Aluminum bats and all. But, he is a big player, think he can Catch all right, and definitely has power when making contact. I say let him percolate some more and see what develops. I know this, he is already older than some of the players decried as absolute washouts on here.

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  16. Trevor May is fine, and I think his ERA is misleading. May’s WHIP is 1.38. Typically, the ERA of a pitcher allowing that amount of baserunners is just not that high.

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      1. And two years ago they had to demote him a level because he was performing so poorly. He rebounded and became the team’s best prospect.

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