Box Score Recap 6-6-2012

Box Score Recap

Tyler Cloyd with another gem.  Hard to look at his stats on the whole and not see some potential.  However, his k/9 is down by around 1.5/9 over last year and his walks are up as well.  Didn’t look at BABIP, but his WHIP is a seemingly unrealistic 0.86 at AAA.  I’ll hold at “cautiously optimistic”.

LV  REA  CLR  LKW  DSL  VSL

I have no guess on why Morgan left so early for CLR.  Anyone know?

52 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 6-6-2012”

    1. Yeah, his BABIP last night was 1.000. I don’t think he’ll be able to sustain that over the long haul

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  3. Yeah, Valle is on a hot streak lately. Amusingly enough, he had another sac fly last night. Someone pointed out yesterday that his BA is higher than his OBP in the past ten games – he is certainly doing his best to pad that stat. 8^)

    Oh yeah, and Cisco just keeps rolling along

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  4. I saw Tyler Cloyd for the first time last night and he did not disappoint-he threw a very efficient 8 innings. Only 2 hard hit balls, one walk. He certainly is not overpowering–the radar topped at 88 MPH, but he knows how to pitch. He had 2 hits as did Michael Martinez who played third. The biggest disppointment in the game was Dom Brown who came up twice with the bases loaded and no outs–one double play and one strikeout. Hopefully, Cloyd will get a chance with the Phillies sometime–he has to be an upgrade over Blanton. However, the Phillies decision making leaves much to be desired–last year I thought Brandon Moss could have helped them at the end of the season, but they bypassed him for some unknown reason.

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        1. That’s all it took for people here to want Ruben’s head for acquiring Bowker.

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    2. Coming up empty with runners in scoring position? Sounds like he’s ready to join the Phillies to me!

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    1. Gillies just started baseball activities(light running and hitting off a tee). Should be back some time next week.

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      1. Ca someone please build Gillies a suit ade from that black box material they use for plane flight recorders? While they’re at it, can they build the entire plane out of it too.

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  6. Anyone know why Adam Morgan only pitched 2 innings and Colvin didn’t get into the game at all?

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    1. Not sure on Morgan but Colvin pitched 2 innings the prior game so I think they were just resting him. I’d like to know a Gillies update as well.

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    1. 88 on the Lehigh gun could be 90. Some RH guys have MLB careers at 90-91 if they have exceptional command of breaking pitches and good overall control an especially can get groundballs, which he has been able to. Whether we want that guy on a perennial playoff contender remains to be seen. Could be he has a career as a long man ahead of him, or maybe if he goes to the pen he picks up a couple ticks on his FB. Not ready to write him off just yet, but definitely would not have him in my top 25 prospects right now. Maybe in the 25-30 range.

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      1. The Lehigh gun appears to be 2-3 MPH slow. Cloyd’s fastball is between 87-91, sitting around 89, which makes it marginal. I saw parts of the game last night and Cloyd has the below average fastball and above average breaking pitches. Not surprisingly, he appears to have between above average and plus command of all of the pitches, but he gets away with some mistakes at AAA that good major leaguers would destroy.

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      2. To reinforce the Lehigh Valley gun issue, Jake Diekman’s fastball is typically between 94-97 on the CBP gun. At Lehigh Valley, it sat between 89-92 – he throws MUCH harder than that. It also makes you realize that Rosenberg (92-95 on the Lehigh gun) and Aumont (94-97 on the Lehigh gun), throw exceptionally hard. I think Aumont often gets around 97-99. The dude has tools, that’s for sure.

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        1. And for every Jamie Moyer, there are probably a hundred or so guys with similar stuff who flame out

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    3. It’s not that it won’t get it done… it’s that he has no margin for error… he can’t miss.

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      1. And that’s partly why pitching 6 or 7 innings a game becomes a huge problem for guys like him.

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    4. I would agree that Cloyd probably doesn’t have a future as a major league starter but as a reliever, I think his stuff will play fine. After watching two different pitchers walk in runs last night, just give me a strike thrower please…

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      1. ML SPs that throw 50%+ fastballs and have an average fastball speed under 90 MPH:

        Tommy Hanson
        Ryan Vogelsong
        Aaron Harang
        Kyle Lohse
        Erik Bedard
        Wandy Rodriguez
        Joe Saunders
        Trevor Cahill
        Johan Santana
        Jered Weaver
        Randy Wolf
        Derek Lowe
        Jason Vargas
        Chris Capuano
        Colby Lewis

        Even just above 90 MPH you have Lincecum, Ian Kennedy, Cain, Hellickson, Anibal Sanchez and MadBum.

        I think we would be pretty content with any of those, except for Joe Saunders who sucks and Wolfie, who’s not good any longer unfortunately.

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        1. Source on that list? Just curious to see what they’re including as a FB, i.e. cutters, 2 seam 4 seam.

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          1. I also have a feeling Cloyd would average more like 87-88 on such a list. There is a pretty big difference between 87.5 and 89.5, especially with RHPs. I am rooting for Cloyd but the odds are long for guys with his stuff having significant long term success.

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            1. And most of those guys threw 90 plus when they got called up. It’s funny how guys compare minor league pitchers to major league veterans, and believe they have the wherewithal to do the same things. Cloyd wishes he could be Joe Saunders.

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            2. Joe Saunders is god awful, and only has a career based around a few fluke seasons in Anaheim where he won 15 games.

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  9. Write up about Collier from Fangraphs today

    Zach Collier, OF, Philadelphia Phillies
    Current Level: A+
    2012 Top 15 Prospects Ranking: NR
    Current Value: Volatile

    A 2008 supplemental first round pick – the 34th overall selection in the draft – Collier has found pro ball to be quite challenging for a number of reasons. The outfielder, who was considered quite raw at the time of his entry into pro ball, missed the entire 2010 season due to surgery on his wrist and he then received a 50-game suspension at the end of 2011 after testing positive for a banned substance. It was bad timing as Collier was finally starting to make strides in his game. Still just 21 years old, the California native got a late start to the 2012 season – due to the carry over from his suspension – but he’s come out of the chute on fire and has 12 hits in his first eight games while playing at high-A. The athletic prospect still has impressive tools and the second half of the 2012 minor league season will go a long way in helping Collier establish himself as a legitimate up-and-comer.

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    1. He’s looked great at the plate from what I’ve seen so far. I still think Lavin plays a better CF, but you gotta let the better prospect play the premium spot I guess.

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      1. I don’t think Collier has enough power to hold down a corner spot so CF is really his only option if he’s to be a starter and to be a valuable 4th OF, he needs to play all three spots too.

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        1. I wouldn’t assume that his power won’t develop. I mean, no guarantee that it will, but if you assume that what he is now is what he will be in (say) 3 years, then you’re basically assuming he won’t be a major league player. And he did have decent doubles and triples totals last year.

          That said, obviously his chance of making it is much greater if he can stick in center field.

          As for this year, so far the most impressive thing is the improved contact rate. 4 doubles are also nice. The BA, at this point, means essentially zero, except maybe from a confidence perspective.

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  10. Phils sign Matt Wright and send him to Lehigh Valley. They wanted to sign Ryan Feierabend by the Reds just signed him.

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  11. Severino Gonzalez of the VSL Phillies is putting up some incredible numbers as a starter, including today’s gem. Better than a K per inning and incredibly, only one BB in 35 Innings pitched. He’ll be 19 yrs old for another 3 months.

    Do we have a scouting report on Severino?

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  12. Any chance that the awful play of the big club puts more pressure on them to go after Soler harder?

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  13. My friends, it is time to do a rapid fast big market style rebuild of the Phils. In the next 14 months, in come Galvis, Cesar, Gillies, Brown, Aumont, DeFratus, Cloyd, and Diekman.

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    1. I’d rather just take the Braves approach.

      If the losing keeps up, I’d expect them to flip one of the outfielders to make room for Brown.

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      1. Why on earth would they do that? It’s not like there’s an outfielder who’s standing in his way in left. In a perfect world, I’d say keep him in AAA for another few weeks, build his confidence, and then slot him into left after the All Star break. Let Mayberry play against tough lefties, reduce Pierre to what he should be, a fifth OF type, pinch hitter/runner. (Not sure where that would leave Nix, of course, but maybe he could take Thome’s role power-bat-off-bench role once interleague play is over.) However, since this is not a perfect world, I worry that bringing him up into the negative atmosphere that is Philly right now might be really tough. First couple errors he makes, he’s going to hear it.

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    2. I’m not the basher of the minor league system that some people are, but that list just shows how thin it is at the top. Of those players, only Brown is a potential star (and even I, one of his biggest fans, admits that is less likely than it appeared 2 years ago). I’m a Galvis fan, and think he might well become a decent regular, but right now his hitting is almost as weak as the skeptics feared (a little pop, but that will never be his calling card, along with a very low BA and very few BB). People are way ahead of themselves regarding Cesar, who at this point would also be a well below average hitter as a major league player. Gillies is also a guy I like better than most people seem to, but increasingly I’m convinced that he is destined to a 4th/5th OF role. Just too much development time lost to injuries. I’m more of a fan of Cloyd than some (sensing a pattern here?), but his upside is a a 4/5 starter. The other guys are relievers, and yes we need them, but solidifying the team’s relievers is not going to get them back to contention.

      If the team is going to return to contention in the next couple of years, the key will mainly be smart FA acquisitions and the hope that the injury/aging process is kinder than it was this year. Moving a few cheap young guys onto the team from the minors will help also, but, aside from Brown, none of those guys are going to do much to take the team back to contention.

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    3. Tyson Gillies isn’t even close to being ready to play in the majors so if our future hinges on his ability to be thrown into the fire over the next year or so, we are soon to be the Mets.

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  14. After watching this mess of a major league team, I have to say I’m starting to think that flipping whomever they can and bringing up some kids isn’t the worst idea. Brown to left after the all star break? I’d rather see them get a couple prospects for Pence and put Brown in right. He wasn’t awful there. Just a little below average. But I would forbid him from diving. Ever. And that assumes Brown is comfortable with his new shorter stroke and continuing to hit.

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    1. Flipping Pence would mean effectively throwing the towel in on 2013. Not happening.

      The only guys that could realistically be traded are the free agents – and only Hamels is going to get you a top prospect. If they can’t sign him (and I don’t think they can, unfortunately), and if the are still out of contention in a month or so, he’s the guy they flip. Along probably with Victorino, and even Polanco if they can get anything for him.

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