The voting was close for #7, but Vance Worley takes it by about 30 votes over Jesse Biddle. Julio Rodriguez, Harold Garcia and Justin De Fratus will be added to the poll now. Just a reminder, if you want to place a write-in vote, vote for OTHER, and then type OTHER in your comment when you list your choice. Sometimes I can’t read through 100 comments to pick out who people want to put in for future voting. Lets get to #8
1. Domonic Brown, OF
2. Jon Singleton, OF
3. Jarred Cosart, RHP
4. Brody Colvin, RHP
5. Trevor May, RHP
6. Sebastian Valle, C
7. Vance Worley, RHP
8.
Phuture Phillies 
Biddle is a potential top of the rotation starter with tons of upside and room for growth. He gets my vote here in what is otherwise a fairly tight field. I like the prospect vote list – it seems to be a fair representation of who should be considered for a vote at this point.
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Justin De Fratus has been a starter and was converted for his closer potential, perfect this Fall against top competition, has it all and ready to pitch in the majors.
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On my list, I have Jesse Biddle as #8 but I voted for Jiwan James since I have him at #7.
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Also, the phillies agreed to a deal with J.C. Romero so hpoefully Baez gets released.
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jon pettibone…very solid and projectable frame, excellent year, overlooked at lakewood with the other starters but very young, just finished his 3rd season and turned 20…better starting potential than aumont
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DeFratus. Proximity plus upside.
Agree with tkohl Pettibone is a real sleeper. If he stays health, would not surprise me if he became a solid starter. Throws hard, nice control when he focuses, improved his concentration and control as season progressed. Look for a nice year from him at Clearwater.
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I had Biddle 7, so obviously he gets my vote here. I put high value on a big lefty who already throws over 90 and has alot of projection left. I also value future front of the rotation starters over a future closer. On the same note, projected front of the rotation starters hold more value than most toolsy young position player types. Again, in my opinion, the only toolsy positions i value highly are 3rd, SS, C. I do consider Valle a good amount better than Biddle for that reason. Of course this all just my little opinion
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I went with James. First in Hits, Runs and ABs in the Phillie org. He was 2nd in SB, 3rd in Trples. He was also 1st in CS and 4th in Ks so he slides to #8. This year is extremely important to him (not that every year isn’t important to every prospect). He lost some development time doing the pitcher thing. This year he’ll be on par with College guys coming out. If he starts at Clearwater and does well, he’ll be well ahead.
I have Altherr as #10 on my list so I wanted to start lobbying for him to get on the list.
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I’m sticking with James in this spot as well. His triple slash batting lines were about average for the Sally League, and when you add his defense and speed he becomes an above average player. He’s age appropriate for his league and more inexperienced than the average player of his age due to the pitching switch. I’m optimistic.
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I am going with James due to his tremendous athleticism. Considering the guy played his 1st season as an everyday player, he did pretty well. Having said that, there are major strides to be made this year.
As I have stated many times in the past year and a half, it is exciting to think we are choosing the number 8 prospect and still have plenty of guys with “potential” to put it together. There are 8 guys on the list to vote for and that does not include Altherr, Pettibone, a guy like Rizzotti who happened to hit the ball a ton last year, and a few others. Who knows, maybe a Collier or Dugan could put it together this year. Dugan actually was on fire when he came back last year. There are 2 guys as athletic as any in the system and you never hear their names. Great stuff! Where are Greg Legg and Tory Luvullo on the list??
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I vote Biddle.
Signing Romero does not mean they will release Baez, they have nothing to gain from doing that now. They will take him into spring and hope he gets off to a good start so they can either a) trade him without eating much salary or b) keep him as an overpaid middle reliever who is at least effective. I hope for option a as I’d rather see his spot go to Mathieson or DeFratus.
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Gillies 6 Valle 7 Would have had Biddle 8, but I still think it’s Gillies. I think Worley really throws a wrench into it. He’s 11-13 ish for me. Not a ton of upside and once MLB guys know what’s he serving, he could easily be as hittable as KK, though he could still learn to be more deceptive and hence more effective. I’d like to think Biddle and James and Santana and Rodriguez are all projecting better than the value of a #5 starter, (be it a #5 on a good team, so maybe he’s a 4 elsewhere and a 3 in Kansas City or Pittsburgh).
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Biddle for: potential, lefty, nice debut, moved up to SS-A against: a long way away (pitcher injury risk), needs to refine mechanics, FB only good, not great.
James for: age appropriate, average offensive lines, great athleticism, high ceiling, scouts love him, great make-up against: long way away, must continue to improve
DeFratus for: great FB, close to the bigs, dominated everywhere last year, good make-up against: only a reliever, Phils have no history of developing good closers, contending teams rarely use rookie closers, relievers who don’t close don’t have a lot of impact
Gillies for: great athlete, great speed, seems to have all the skills needed to be a star, reportedly has great character against: lost year, hammy injury (could it continue?), horrible start in AA, legal troubles
Cesar Hernandez should be added–he’s probably a better prospect than Garcia, and the Phils apparently love him, which will give him lots of chances. I like Garcia a bit, but, as most people say, Garcia’s probably a utility infielder type. Nick Punto is a decent comparison, though Punto had a better glove and a bit more speed and patience. Garcia has a bit more power and bat, I think. Hernandez’s ceiling has really yet to be established.
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One of the problems with being a Championship caliber team, the young guys trying to make a splash in the big leagues have a hard time getting the chance. Signing Romero blocks Bastardo a bit. If you read the Matt Gelb column, there’s a chance that with the 4 horseman starters, they may need only 10 pitchers. 11 would be the max. With Romero, they are maxed out. A starter still has to go but that’s being taken care of. DeFratus, Mathieson, Schwimer, Stutes and Bastardo will rot at LHV. It devalues the relievers in the organization. I’ve been a big fan of DeFratus’ for years but I had a tough time getting him in my top 15. Mathieson and Schwim were really hard to get into the top 25. Stutes doesn’t even get an honorable mention in my top 30. I’ve dropped Bastardo from contention because of his Service time in Philly. I’d actually like to see these guys get a real chance. I’m hoping Romero is a minor league deal so one of these relievers could win a slot.
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BTW, I’m voting DeFratus…
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I am waiting to read all the arguments for whoever. Each has a point.
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Other: Aaron Altherr.
I have Biddle as my #7, but he will get one of the next two spots. Voting for Altherr to get him on the ballot. I rate him higher than a few of the guys placed on the list ahead of him. I think Altherr’s season flew under the radar here. His numbers in Williamsport at age 19 compare favorably to Dominic Brown’s at the same age and level. Considering he was a two sport star (and considered and a very raw baseball player) his season was outstanding.
The Phillies drafted him right behind Singleton and gave Altherr the larger bonus. They must have thought highly of him. Not sure why Altherr gets so little attention here.
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Gillies quite easily at this point.
Most of the other players being discussed have only competed at very low introductary levels, which makes it very difficult to project performance even at the some of the better low level leagues.
They have a chance to earn a higher rating after this year, but until they put in some significant time at Lakewood at least, their numbers do not mean much.
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Why is Austin Hyatt being left off all of these lists? The guy had 181 stikeouts between clearwater and reading last season! And only 44 walks. He went 12-5 with a 3.32 ERA and a 1.12 WHIP, 146.1 innings in 25 starts. Let me write that again, 181 K’s to only 44 BB’s! Thats a 4.11 SO/BB and 11.1 SO/9!
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Vote Biddle. Starting potential and maybe higher upside than the Seattle guys and others.
MLB bullpen- if it is believed there is reason to release Baez, there was reason moreso not to bring back Romero. It’s not a minor league deal. Numbers – I got Lidge, Madson, Contreras, Baez, Romero , and Bastardo as 6 in bullpen, so don’t see any loss for Bastardo as it stands. 6 guys plus the starters for an 11 man staff, and they usually carry 7 relievers for a 12 man pitching staff. The 7th reliever- or extra man thing will likely be a minor league eligible / up/down candidate, so the pitching staff could have Bastardo who could be sent to the minors and another younger pitcher who could go to mimors or failing that an extra position player who could go to minors to be switched with a starter or reliever who could go to minors, that is how it stands now. So all the young pitchers will rot away theory is questionable.
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Agreed on the 7th reliever but when is the question. I would think at least a month into the season.
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I voted DeFratus… there has to be some recognition in the combination he presents with his skill and likely ability to help the Phils this year. Plus, he presented no negative signs upon his progression as a prospect last year. DeFratus moved efficiently and pitched very well at every level. Both he and Worley should have an impact upon the major league team this year.
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They will only break camp with 6 relievers but things change. Injuries will occur, trades will be made, etc. I believe Baez will be moved if its possible AND if one of the young relievers stands out in camp. As it currently stands, I think Bastardo will be the 6th reliever not a long man because with so many off days in April, Kendrick/Worley can serve as the long man for those nights R2C2 get knocked out in the 2nd inning haha
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I also think that Aaaron Altherr is the sleeper in the group. He’ll have a better major league career than any of the guys we got from Seattle for Cliff Lee
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Gillies. I like him more than James due to: 1) having had excellent seasons in low-A and high-A; 2) having lots of tools too, although not at James’s level according to BA; 3) and he is only six months older than James. I know James has less hitting experience than Gillies, but looking at the whole picture it is hard for me to get more excited about James than I am about Gillies. I am less concerned about his hamstring and run-in with the law than others.
I will probably vote for James next and then Biddle.
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Ha, of course, that’s not going to happen. I guess those are my rankings, then. I also like Altherr and Pettibone and would vote for them before Mr. Best Curveball.
Zeid is also a sleeper, though definitely not top ten.
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Aumont, Gillies and JC Ramirez will contunue to show up in these polls because they were part of a high profile trade, not because of their merits as prospects.
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Some folks’ rush to get DeFratus to the show is interesting. He’s never pitched above AA. His K/9 is good and he was on fire in AFL, but you ought to give the guy at least a couple months in AAA to make sure he can handle big league type guys over a longer period of time, IMO. Was he even in big league camp last year? Can’t recall. Still, he’s a really interesting prospect at this point and not far away if he handles AAA hitters with any consistency. I think Mathieson will block him for a bit if the splitter is working, which hopefully it is, and Schwimer might be next if he comes out strong in 2011, so DeFratus is likely the third righty in line, (not even considering Herndon at this point). I could easily see DeFratus being in LVH bullpen for the whole year without worrying about him “rotting”. Any of those three (or four) guys could be in MLB in 2012 if they handle themselves well, but looking at it reasonably, Mathieson is the least likely to stick long term. My order as bullpen prospects for the long term – DeFratus – Schwim – Herndon (doesn’t really count as a prospect) – Mathieson. I don’t know much about Stutes but it seems like he walks too many guys at this point to be considered ahead of any of the rest of the group.
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voted Galvis as a write-in–you guys actually think James is a better prospect than Galvis? Please………………….
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Was wondering when the calls for Wilson Valdez… er I meant Freddie Galvis, would start.
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Gillies, again.
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Gillies…yet again.
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“Why is Austin Hyatt being left off all of these lists? The guy had 181 stikeouts between clearwater and reading last season! And only 44 walks. He went 12-5 with a 3.32 ERA and a 1.12 WHIP, 146.1 innings in 25 starts. Let me write that again, 181 K’s to only 44 BB’s! Thats a 4.11 SO/BB and 11.1 SO/9!”
A couple of reasons. One is age – he was a relatively old prospect for the levels at which he was pitching. It was not his fault, but it explains, part, the dominance. Second, reports suggest that he does not throw exceptionally hard. I got the sense, from reading these, that he’s in the 90-93 range (just my sense – I’ve never heard anything other than that his FB is only above average, but not a true “plus” pitch), as a right-hander, that may limit his upside. Third, we’ve now got a lot of good prospects. A few years ago, he might be in the 8-12 range. Now, he’s probably in the 14-20 range.
But, hey, I really like Hyatt. To me, he’s the sleeper who is not really a sleeper. I particularly like that, while he did not dominate at AA, the strikeout rates remained very high. I’m a big fan of Ks with right-handed pitchers – it tells you an awful lot about the player’s upside.
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I am extremely happy that the Phillies and Romero agreed to a new deal. The longer this went and the more I saw what their options were, the more and more coming to an agreement with Romero made sense. He has had a few off years, but appears poised to return to being a very solid relief pitcher. Sure, he has some warts (which come in the form of walks to opposing hitters), but he’s got a decent arm, stays in great shape, fits very well on the bench and he will sacrifice himself for the good of the team (remember 2007 when he pitched practically every day for a week? How many pitchers would do that without complaining?). This makes a lot of sense and takes a ton of pressure off of Bastardo.
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I went with biddle here. James I think this year is a make or break year for him. If he excells I think you can rate him inthe top ten but if he stays to what he’s been doing I’m just not sure. I don’t think he’s shown much more than just being average. He has a lot of potential and this year is gonna tell a lot about him.
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Agree with Catch on Romero. Good move.
However, it does create logjam among our plentiful relief prospects. I am hoping if Baez looks iffy in ST, Phils bite the bullet and move him, paying all but maybe $1.5M-$2M of his salary to a team that needs a veteran reliever (Calling Ed Wade!).
That would open up a spot for Mathieson or DeFratus. Let them fight it out, but the edge goes to Mathieson, since the Phils have a history of giving jobs to those who have paid their dues and like to give younger guys get their full 2 hrs in the oven at 450 degrees in the minors.
Another possibility for Mathieson is packaging him with Blanton to a team with poor pitching depth overall for a somewhat better prospect or trading him outright just to give him an opportunity. Phils have a history of doing that also.
Like others, though, I want to see Mathieson pitch for the Phils and get a real role for an extended period. No guarantees he will succeed, but I would not bet against him, despite all the comments everywhere about his straight FB and mediocre slider. I think his real obstacle to MLB success is simply getting the extended opportunity in a defined role, so he can develop confidence and sharpness over time.
Last point is injuries. Just about all the young relievers will get a few innings when guys are nicked up or in September. It usually turns out that abundance we see is a mirage and they go looking for more. But this year, it does seem we have a few extra in the high minors with some chance to contribute and at least 1 or 2 of them could well become a big part of the pen.
All of which says, we are in real good shape, IMO.
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Possible future pen: DeFratus for Lidge; Mathieson for Madson… IF they let Madson go and Lidge, too.
So, closer AND set-up guys could need replacement after ’11. Certainly, Lidge will be gone…no $12 mil /yr deal there. Apparent fit for him is DeFratus, but DeF should get more time at LV to find comfort in the closer’s role against minor leagues’ better players over nearly the whole season there.
Comsequently, DeFratus should be in the category of “soon, but not yet.” The refining of his role at LV should deliver our next closer probable.
Thus, DeFratus next after Biddle.
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Once more with Gillies.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see Contreras as the closer or part of a committee for half the year in 2012 if he looks good this year and Madson doesn’t come back. That gives the team time to find out which prospect is the next, best closer and time to make sure they can handle the big league batters and pressure.
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I went with Biddle. When he was first drafted I thought it was a deal like Marc Valdes with the Marlins. Cheap to sign(for first round) and a homie but Biddle of course is much younger and had a great debut.
DeFratus next then James or visa….
I revisited Gillies stats to see what I was missing. I can’t rationalize that large drop off. This year will tell. In my thoughts he disconnected from his A stats. Maybe he is like MT takes a while at each level. Speaking of MT there is still room for a stocking stuffer
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He probably won’t, but Julio Rodriguez should crack the top 10. His fastball is percieved as a weakness, but more recent reports indicate that its really a strength.
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Unless one of the minor leaguers comes out of nowhere to establish himself as a top notch major league closer this year (unlikely, to say the least), the Phillies will not go into 2012 without a proven pitcher to act as closer and it will not be Jose Contreras. I am guessing they will try to sign Madson in this role if he looks ready (I think he is, frankly) and the price is right (3-4 years and between $6-9 million a year). Lidge and his salary will be gone.
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I would love to believe Madson will be back. Hard to imagine he won’t test the market, though. If he does, and lands elsewhere, will they really be in a position to pay for someone else, or would they be ready to use DeFratus or Mathieson? That was my only point, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a veteran like Contreras asked to help take some pressure off the young guys in that event, (like he takes as many of the one run leads as possible for a couple months so they can figure out more what they have with the two “youngsters”). Mathieson will be 28 by then I think – hardly a youngster, but you know what I’m saying.
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very tough here to project, but on who i believe will be in the majors its de Fratus
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Its wonderful to see one of our #1 picks performing like a #1 and looking like he has a bright future.
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When will Kelly Dugan get on the ballot!?
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Santana for me. Probably Worley, DeFratus and Biddle in some order before I even think of Gillies. Gillies was a little overrated before last year and then had a complete year of regression for me. I would pick James before him also though I have major doubts that Jiwan will put together the secondary hitting skills needed to advance.
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In Regards to Madson, I would not be surprised in the Least if the Phils try to sign him to a closer’s contract as soon as the season ends and before they need to decide on Lidge’s contract.
They can’t really do it mid-season w/o messing with Lidge.
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Based on stuff, potential and performance, Justin deFratus.
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I agree the Phils will not go into ’12 with a young closer, probably try for Madson, if not, likely a free agent for a year or two to fill the gap to a young reliever is ready. What would be ideal is if one of these guys like DeFratus got an extended look at some point in ’11 and established himself as a setup type for 2012, i.e. the next Madson. Would LOVE to see a 2012 bullpen where Madson is closing, Bastardo and a righty like DeFratus, along with Contreras are setting him up. The money savings using those two guys as setup guys would be a huge help to fill other holes.
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i went biddle again…newer to site so i wasnt around when joe bisenius…was wondering if he was hyped the way defratus is getting hyped…no need to rush him…i have romero bumping mathieson right now…i have lidge madson contraras baez romero bastardo kendrick as long man …i have blanton dealt and worley as number five even though he has best career era of all five starters…if baez falters or traded there is opening for mathieson…minors are gonna really help this year…bastardo, i think mayberry given every chance to be 4th of and martinez chan,ce at 5th (or sign a delwyn young ) and worley and brown although i think he spends first couple of months in minors…good stuff by me
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The Biddle supporters won me over. There is a lot to like about this kid:
1)maturity
2)ideal size
3)lefthandedness
4)earnestness
5)productive already in short season
Talent plus work ethic is a great combination and this kid seems to have it.
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There are maybe 3 indications that DeFratus has a good chance to be “tested” as our closer fo9llowing Lidge:
1-RAJ has said that he needs to get the team “younger”…and since most all the other positions are settled, he’s likely to begin with the pen people;
2-DeFratus is said to be unaffected by the challenges and pressures of being the closer, a sine qua non for that role;
3-There are plenty “rookies” who have been handed that role ab initio; Nathan comes to mind, etc.
And finally, there is the “salary cap” applicable to RAJ—> time to get younger AND give that larder a closed door.
All depends on DeF showing he has the goods at LV for at least some months. If so, I’d hope that DeF would become THE closer with support from Contreras, etc. while he fits in.
For me, another question concerns Mathieson: this should be the season he joins some MLB staff as a reliever…especially if he has or is learning the split-finger well. Could be tried as Madson Jr. in the set-up role.
I guess Madson will be gone after ’11 for a better amount and length of contract. That is where Mathieson could fit in well should he be given a generous chance. Between DeF and Mathieson we have TWO late relievers getting ready for a big team role. Further, we know about Zeid, Stutes, etc. also getting ready to play relief roles.
Saving $$ and getting younger with new guys who refresh the team should be the plan, IMO.
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Samsoap, If you think DeFratus is being over hyped in the fan poll, you don’t remember last years poll. Mathieson voted into the top 10 over Brodie Colvin and John Singleton. Seems projection is very difficult for some. Proximity is a little easier to calculate it seems.
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I’m not saying it’s impossible that DeFratus goes into 2012 as the closer, but it’s extremely unlikely and will happen only if DeFratus goes on such a roll that choosing him is no brainer. Just losing Lidge makes the bullpen much cheaper and that is certain to happen next year. But having 4 of the top pitchers in baseball without a proven closer makes very little sense unless the team is virtually sure a young guy can do it. We’re not there yet. Most likely scenario is that Madson or someone else is signed as the closer. But, remember, Madson is one of the best set-up men in baseball so you have to have someone else ready to take that role or you make two facets of the team worse at the same time. I think they will try to get DeFratus or Mathieson ready to share that role with Contreras.
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i am excited by defratus…but i just think 2012 is more realistic for him to help big league club…i’ d love to see him follow in madson’s path…i think Madson will get every chance to be our closer and should come at a good price compared to a proven lidge type…that doesnt take away from defratus as a prospect…im thinkin low teens for him…i think Schwimmer if he has another good year will get a chance first to help even though Defratus has higher ceiling…
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off topic…sorry…but i was jotting down possible rosters for phillies for upcoming seasons to see where the prospects may fit in…in 2014 ( i know i know i know) but i got Halladay who vests his option Lee, Hamels, Worley, and Hyatt…where are Cosart, Colvin and May going…lol…May sneaks in as number 5 for 2015
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Ramirez is a nice pickup if it’s for about a mil. I hope the Phils use 12 pitchers. No need to ware down the big 4 .
Is Herndon going to start in the minors next year? Anyone think Savory can make in the majors as a DH 1b?
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Clarification. Is Herndon going to be a starter on the minors next year?
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This was the closest choice for me in 4 years of doing this. It’s the first time I read some comments before voting. Not many are supporting Julio Rodriguez yet, but I went with J Rod at #8 because of his success in in the Puerto Rican Winter League (2.00 ERA so far after 45 innings) where he is about 5 years younger than the other league pitching leaders. Also, his stats in Lakewood was just as good as their big 3. In my personal rankings, May, Cosart, Colvin and Rodriguez are #5-#8.
I like Biddle and DeFratus nearly as much with Gillies and James very close behind. Biddle for his draft round and early promotion, and DeFratus for 4 consecutive years of great minor league stats. DeFratus is the safest pick here and the most likely to reach the majors, but relievers are notoriously unpredictable (DeFratus could be an exception) and most turn out to be less valuable than starters (the main reason I rank him this low). Gillies missed a year with injuries. I need to see that he is healthy and can stay healthy. If he doesn’t regain his legs, he is worthless. Like Gillies, James has great speed and a strong arm, but I’d like to see more power and consistency.
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Cosart himself mentioned the possibility of being moved to a closer in an article I read a couple weeks ago… Said it would probably be his fastest path to the majors barring a trade.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them pull a Neftali Feliz/David Price move with him.
Not THAT would be a nasty pen.
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I believe the phillies need to get salary relief like others in the bullpen and in the outfield, brown in right, cheaper option in left than ibanez after next year and a replacment for vic. infield is set for at least three years .
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Dugan’s another guy who fell outside of my top 30. I heard they will have him playing 1st base at least part-time. If that’s the case, his value will drop. The Phils may be preparing him for more of a utility role. If that’s the case, then where is Tim Kennelly? He’s not in my top 40 right now. Dugan will get some votes but I’d have to move one or more of those close proximity relievers like Schwim or Mathieson. I could also rethink Mario Hollands, Nick Hernandez, Eric Pettis and Garett Claypool. I really like these guys rounding out by top 30 or 31. I also liked Miguel Alvarez this year more than Dugan but Miguel might not be #35. This is a great problem to have and this is where the consensus margin will be very small. We might have 15 guys bunched up in the voting for the 25 to 30 slots.
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Still voting DeFratus here. I just don’t think there’s enough of a book on Biddle to rank him ahead of a guy who’s already produced.
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Gillies and it isn’t even close.
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Kelly Dugan and Miguel Alvarez should easily make the top 30.
Brown, Singleton, Cosart, Colvin, May, Valle, Worley, Biddle, Gillies, James, De Fratus, Rodriguez, Altherr, Santana, Aumont, Ramirez, Hernandez, Garcia, Castro and Pettibone. That is 20 prospects better than Dugan and Alvarez, but I would have trouble finding 10 more that were better.
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I rated Dugan #21, and that’s with the full belief that at best he’ll be good enough to play RF.
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I like Dugan but I also agree that he shouldnt be near the Top 10.
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All reports say Dugan is a decent OF, even in RF, with OK arm. But he is a “silky smooth” 1B. I would keep him tuned up in both positions. If he hits, they’ll find a spot for him in 2014/2015.
I see his ceiling as as a solid hitter, maybe Rico Brogna or a tad better, but valued a bit higher because of excellent baseball fundamentals, especially fielding, and great makeup. He could be a 20+ homer guy. His value will also increase if he shows better than avg OBP. He looks like a good choice, considering #75 pick and on the cheap ($475K).
Today he has to be in top 30, IMO, with ability to go to top 15 or better in 2 years.
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Had to go Biddle the kid is a first round draft pick. Correct me if I’m wrong the last LH we took in that round out of HS was the 08 WS MVP.
DeFratus will go next and I’ll leave the toolsy guys for slots 10-20!
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Isn’t Eric Pettis gone? Remember: he was cut unexpectedly during the season over some sort of dust-up with the people he was staying with during the season.
Nobody seems to be ready to give the details of the incident(s) but he did not appear in a game thereafter.
He DID put up some startling numbers in games before the blow-up. Don’t know if he is permanently gone from the Phils org. Curious onlookers want to know. Will we ever hear from him in baseball again?
MM: the Phils infield does not seem to be in place for the next 3 yrs: If Rollins does not bounce back significantly from his ’10 disaster of a season (following 2 lousy prior seasons) he could be gone at ’11s end since his contract then runs out. Should he be gone, the team would have to engineer a trade for a ML SS or rely on Galvis, the defensive whiz,and, in the meantime, collect some good ones in the coming draft along with 3rd basemen.
JRod DOES need some attention and plaudits. Added to the “likelies.”
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Art, you are thinking of Kevin Angelle(spelling) who cut by the Phillies
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Yea, Pettis was just drafted in 2010.
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Pettis is definately still in the system. He actually got promoted for the playoffs. He pitched 4.1 innings and gave up 1 run for Lakewwod in the post season. Great KO rate and GB rate. We’ll see how he does his sophmore season.
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Other. Voted for Jonathan Pettibone. Had a season comparable with Colvin and May at Lakewood, only 20 years old.
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Quick thought looking at the Lakewood pitchers. Every single Lakewood pitcher with 35+ innings pitched had an ERA less than 4. Its amazing how good their ERAs are consistantly across the board. Their peripherals are very good as well. But when a group performs that good as a team, its probably worth taking a look at the contributions of their team defense. That’s one of the reasons I tout James as an elite prospect. A bunch of that was the recently traded Villar as well.
I feel that’s important also in the case of Pettibone. His ERA was good at Lakewood. But he also had the lowest K/9 on the team, even if we have no IP minimum. He had his defense making plays for him more often than anyone else, and I feel that if he’s not missing bats that’s a concern going forward. (His HR/9 rate was also above his team’s average.)
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I don’t get it. Where did all of Jiwan James’s votes go? He had almost twice as many votes last round, Biddle and Gillies’ votes are staying the same. He was good enough for #7 but not #8, I guess.
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I voted Biddle, but I can’t help but wonder if I’m rooting/willing it to happen because he was a No.1 pick and a local guy.
Of course, I then remind myself that he’s a lefty with good stuff that hasn’t scratched his possible upside.
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I went with Biddle. His numbers looked good in 1st pro season. He seems like he has a good attitude. He just wanted to sign and get started. Might have to make that drive to Lakewood this summer. After this pick it is close between Gilles, DeFratus, and James.
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Lets face it. There is no rational for this poll.
E.G.Worley was a short sample but Biddle isn’t. People have their favorite players and favorite stats. In the end it should all just be fun until spring.
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Re: Pettis. My bad. You’re right; it was Angelle/
Thanks.
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Actually, Worley has a very large sample over several minor league stops (380 IP) and his numbers have been so-so. The short sample too many people are using to rate him is the 13 innings pitched at the major league level.
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You guys have alot of good info. Im new at this part of the game. I was able to see Lwood play last year. I was really impressed with their outfield. James, Dabbs, and Castro. Very tallented. James and Dabbs at the 1and 2 hole was very good. James covered alot of ground in CF and Dabbs played RF like a CFer, with a RF arm. Castro a free swinger but very tallented. Hope to see these 3 in Clearwater next year.
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