2011 Reader Top 30, #3

2011 Reader Top 30

Moving on, with Jon Singleton comfortably taking the number 2 spot. I’m not going to add another name to the ballot at this point, since its not really necessary. If you want to write in someone, vote OTHER, and then put your vote in the comments. Here we go.

1. Domonic Brown, OF
2. Jon Singleton, 1B/OF
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103 thoughts on “2011 Reader Top 30, #3”

  4. Sir Alden, do you have them mixed up? Cosart is generally regarded as having better stuff but missed time to injury.

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  5. Colvin I feel has a better chance of reaching his ceiling even though cosarts ceiling is higher therefore I say colvin

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  6. cosart injury had him shut down most of year and colvin after the first six weeks was absolutely dominant!

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  7. Colvin. Take out the first months numbers and he was dominant. He made some adjustments and went out and kept competing, and you can see by his numbers that he improved every month. That shows me a lot about how he approaches the game. He also put up a pretty high innings count in his first year of pro ball which could indicate that he’ll be a high quality innings monger when he reaches the pro’s.

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  9. I went with Cosart. His stuff is dominant.

    FWIW…
    1. Brown
    2. Singleton
    3. Cosart
    4. May
    5. Colvin
    6. Valle
    7. Gillies
    8. Worley
    9. Rodriquez
    10. Aumont
    11. James
    12. Biddle
    13. DeFratus
    14. Altherr
    15. Pettibone

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  10. I went with Cosart too. I know Colvin is supposed to be good, but reports on Cosart’s “stuff” are better and, besides, Colvin’s statistics are not those of a classic power pitcher. Now, perhaps, Colvin’s power stuff is more like Matt Cain’s, hard and down, but that type of pitcher is not easy to find. In fact, I am still so intrigued by Trevor May and his strikeout rates, that I will probably still list him ahead of Colvin, if only by a hair.

    I like Ice-9s list one through seven – I am in agreement. Here’s my top 15:

    1. Brown
    2. Singleton
    3. Cosart
    4. May
    5. Colvin
    6. Valle
    7. Gillies
    8. Biddle
    9. Worley
    10. DeFratus
    11. Altherr
    12. Santana
    13. Hernandez
    14. James
    15. Rodriguez

    It’s actually pretty hard to do the list after about 7 or 8 – there are about 10-15 guys who have a lot of ability and who could take huge leaps forward this year and, by the way, that list includes Kelly Dugan, who lit things up for a while in rookie ball.

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  11. I guess more voters are leaning towards Cosart at this point. Is his ceiling/stuff really that much better than Colvin? I would think that they’re relatively close in terms of stuff, and thus Colvin gets the edge due to health reasons. I guess the Colvin/May/Cosart trifecta is probably a pretty interchangeable group at this point – we could probably argue forever as to how to rank them at this point

    – Jeff

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  12. That’s why while I went with May I really have no argument against either Colvin or Cosart being 3. To me, right now they are interchangeable as 3-5. Hopefully we will have the same difficult decision in 2012 with each progressing successfully through A-ball.

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  13. That would be great if we could continue to have this argument with MC2 (see, they already have a cool nickname!) in a couple of years.

    Truthfully, I think we’ll see at least one of them hit a wall, but it’s fun to fantasize. Really, how often do you see a starting rotation with three stud pitchers in it? 8^)

    – Jeff

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  14. Though I feel everyone loves Cosart and he seems to throw harder, I feel Colvin has a better chance of reaching his ceiling. He stayed injury free and after a rough start came on very strong.

    Colvin and then Cosart.

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  15. Colvin and cosart are really the only two options and I went with Brody. It’s a close call. Aumont?does anyone really think he is a better prospect than the two mentioned above?

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  17. I voted for Cosart here over Colvin due to his slightly higher potential. Cosart can be an ace for a long time if he stays healthy. I think we all have our big three pitchers in this #3-5 bucket in some order. A case could be made for all three to be #3. I am so looking forward to watching them pitch in the same rotation next year. Watch Pettibone step up a bit more and make it a foursome (it could happen)! And what if Shreve gets all his speed back one more year removed from his surgery? This could be the best minor league rotation in many years.

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  18. By the way, Cosart is lifting and is up to 205 lbs. While the organization played it safe and shut him down last year, Cosart was actually healthy and ready to pitch by mid August. He really wanted to pitch in the playoffs and didn’t feel he was that badly injured but the team played it safe. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Cosart become a closer in the majors with his personality and that fastball if the other guys also advance. What a great problem to have.

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  19. Slabs – I’m not entirely sold on Aumont, but May is certainly a viable option, especially if he can keep the walks under control (and really, the same can be said for Aumont, who is somewhat of a Poor Man’s May)

    – Jeff, who took an end of the semester vacation day today and is being really unproductive.

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  22. should i be depressed by the fact that aumont’s name is even on the ballot at this point?

    let it go, the key piece of that deal is busting before our eyes.

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  24. Cosart……….Colvin, Colvin……………Cosart. Pretty close to a tie, but went with Cosart because he reportedly in the mid to upper 90’s with his FB. Colvin next and then the real decisions begin.

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  25. I am so happy for Aumont, Gillies and Ramirez that Cliff Lee is back in the fold – that lifts an enormous burden of their collective backs.

    As for Aumont and Gillies, I think both of these guys are going to be fine and one or both of them might even development into very fine major league players. The depth and extent of information on the minor leagues and the interest in this topic has changed the expectations for prospects. One bad year for Aumont and Gillies means very little – it’s not good news of course, but doesn’t mean they can’t cut it. I keep thinking back to how badly Gavin Floyd struggled in the minors. He was wretched his first full season at AAA – a 6.19 ERA. I mean, really, he completely sucked. And I don’t mean he had good stuff, but just couldn’t put it together. He sucked in every way a minor leaguer can suck and he could barely touch 90 MPH on the gun.

    So, please, give Aumont and Gillies a chance. I think, if Gillies is healthy, we are going to really like what we see. As for Aumont, you may need to give him a couple of years. He’s a big dude, with a big arm, but has some confidence and mechanical issues. If he figures it out, he could go from being a near bust to a breakout almost overnight. And, besides, the strength of the rotation will now give the team much more flexibility in moving Aumont to the pen, if that’s where his highest upside lies.

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  27. It appears from the numbers that May has better stuff than Colvin and Cosart but he didn’t have an idea where the ball was going for 1/2 a year. I need to see more. Cosart has been getting some glowing reports about added velocity and has already shown he can thrown the ball over the plate. He’s the clear #3. Colvin has to go #4 but only because May remains a question mark to me.

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  28. Cosart. Better stuff. Colvin’s K9 is not overly impressive. It comes down to what you value more. Pitcher with #1 potential and minor injury history or pitcher with #2-3 potential and no injury history.

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  29. May definately hit a stretch where he was extremely wild but of the 3, he was the most unhittable, with the highest K/9 rate and lowest h/9 rate while pitching at a higher level. This is why I have him 3rd on my list.

    He also seemed to be figuring out the control issues by the end of the season.

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  31. OK I will give them a chance but neither Gillies or Aumont have done ONE stinkin thing to merit the pro ink.

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  32. This is one of the toughest choices for me. In terms of talent, Cosart would be #2 for me, but he seems like a guy with high risk of being derailed by injury. But then, so did Hamels. Weighing Cosart’s injury history, I went with Colvin and will put Cosart #3.

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  35. Aumont also an injury worry to me. There were stories/rumors of a degenerative hip problem at the time of the trade, which then was pooh-poohed. When I saw him pitch at Reading, he had an awkward delivery and did seem to be favoring his leg.

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  36. I already gave my ranking opinion on the next three: Colvin, Cosart, May. I think Colvin made the most progress this past year.

    Agree with Jeff that Aumont is a lesser May but still has big upside. It was almost inevitable that he would be moved back to a reliever. I was hoping they would give him one more year starting to work through his mechanics and understand his pitches. Just too many starting arms in the system.

    The Top5 is now a lock. I think 6 is a lock (Valle). Then the real debate begins….
    (PP is going to need about 15 names in the selection list)

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  37. “OK I will give them a chance but neither Gillies or Aumont have done ONE stinkin thing to merit the pro ink.”

    Not so.

    Gillies ripped it up at two minor league levels in 2008 and 2009. He was just injured last year, so, yes, he HAS done something to merit the attention. In fact, he did A LOT to merit the attention.

    As for Aumont, your point has merit, but he has a ton of upside ability. But he’s a high risk/high reward prospect and I like these prospects better from the pitching end because it’s usually a question of time and mechanics. Whereas a guy who can’t hit a curveball often has truly no shot of progressing – not everyone can hit a baseball.

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  40. Since we seem to have 1-6 pretty well locked up…

    I was going over my deep prospects list (guys that aren’t top 30) and keep coming back to one guy, Francisco Diaz, a 20 yr old catcher in the GCL. His sample size of 75 AB barely qualifies as a sample size, but what he did was pretty impressive. As many walks as K’s, .763 OPS, he throw out 41% of would be base stealers, and had a .991% fielding percentage. Of the GCL catchers he saw the most action. Could be a guy who draws some attention next year, probably at low A where he will again split time with Marlon Mitchell and Chace Numata – two other guys with signs of life…

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  42. Big year for Gillies. He hit .325 over 2 years at A-, then .335 over 2 years at A+(hitters league?). I’d like to see him cut down his KO rate, but I expect him to have a solid year at Reading this year.

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  44. Catch HERE not there . Who cares about a California leaague. If they can’t compete at Reading what difference does the past make. If a homegrown player had the same numbers, you would be all over him.
    Stink until further notice. I hope they prove me wrong but I doubt it.

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  45. It is encouraging that Cosart claimed he was in great health during FIL. The worry is that he was limited to 24 IP in 2009, because of shoulder soreness early in the summer and shut down after 71 IP in 2010, because of elbow soreness. He signed too late in 2008 to pitch at all. So, he has finished his 3rd season or two and a half season after being drafted and logged less than 100 IP. There have been questions about his off-season condition diligence. These are red flags, although his raw talent is unmatched in our system and nearly unmatched in minor league baseball. The comps to Hamels and Drabek are kind of stunning.

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  47. I picked May.

    Cosart an injury risk, Colvin not as much a power pitcher. Went with the healthy power pitcher. Talk to me tomorrow and see what I say then.

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  48. I voted Cosart. On another note, Andy Tracy signed with the Diamondbacks. I wasn’t expecting the phillies to resign him but I think that he was a great player to have in the organization.

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  49. I went with Colvin, but I agree with the consensus that the top three pitchers in Clearwater’s rotation are pretty much interchangeable ranking-wise. Next year will be really interesting to watch–reason would suggest that one of them will start to pull away, and I think that the one with the best chance of doing that is Colvin. However, as I’ve said before, I think that out of the three the one who excites me the most, if he can harness his stuff, is May.

    At Amaro’s press conference today, he seemed to all but rule out the possibility of bringing back Durbin or another FA reliever. So it looks like the race for the last spot in the bullpen is going to be between Mathieson, De Fratus, Herndon, Worley/Kendrick and maybe some journeyman minor league free agent. I really hope it’s Mathieson, but I’m guessing Worley might have the inside track based on what they’re looking for in that role, a middle reliever who can go multiple innings if necessary.

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  52. Nowheels – you can say the word stink all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was injured for almost the entire year and had virtually no chance to establish himself HERE. I think he’s going to be quite good. But you may end up being right. We’ll see.

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  53. unfortunately, bitterness over the Lee trade apparently still hasn’t faded for some. IF Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez were phillies draftees would nowheels still insist that they stink based on a sub-par season.

    Good thing that Lee doesn’t hold a grudge as long.

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  54. This is a tough one…I went with Colvin here…I see him being a solid #2 pitcher. The health factor puts Cosart at #4 on this list.

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  56. I don’t want to sound like an apologist for these guys, but Aumont and Gillies have shown flashes that account for something (to me). Aumont had a lousy year, but if memory serves, he threw 5 no-hit innings in one game. Prior to that, in the baseball classic, he struck out some big league stars. He’s not ready now (obviously), but poor pitchers don’t generally have those kinds of moments. As for Gillies, he had some fine Spring moments last year. When Chris Roberson and some other primo athletes showed up in year’s past, it was clear from day one that they could not play with the big boys.

    Of the 3 players we got for Lee, Ramirez might be the one I feel I can best project right now – and it might only be a #5 starter or middle reliever. Anyway, Cliff Lee had a bad season and got sent down before he became this Cliff Lee. One year is only one year. This front office knows what they’re doing. I’m giving Aumont, Gillies, and even Ramirez more time.

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  57. the injury issues ya’ll are talking about with Cosart were very minor. The organization made a decision about the future. Don’t think they care if we rate him 10th or 1st. LOL

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  58. One of the guys I have later on my list, Sebastian Valle, now has 5 hrs in Winter Ball. He hit a pair yesterday.

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  60. I am not bitter. I am tired of people promoting undeserving players to satisfy some nebulous need.
    I voted for Worley again. He has qualities to be a winner now.

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  61. My picks are –
    3. Cosart
    4. May
    5. Colvin

    Cosart has the high 90s fastball and great command.

    May has a terrific K/9 rate and great stuff. I confess to a weakness for Ks. I’m hoping May can harness his control problems. If he can keep his K rate high and lower his BB/9 rate to 3-3.5, May could be the best of the three.

    Colvin may have the least potential of the three, but he is still very good, may end up with three plus pitches and is probably the most likely of the three to reach his full potential.

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  62. I voted also again for Vance Worley. The good news is it doesn’t really matter how we rank all of the Phillies prospects, we have all them all and most everyone agrees that there are a lot of very good prospects. We can follow and root for them all for the coming years.

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  63. I’m not as high on May as most. I weigh K/9 very high also, but his BB/9 is ridiculous. If he had overpowering stuff, I would have more confidence that with a little more control, he could make it. Right now, I would think he could become more hitable as he gets more control and advances to higher levels. Quite honestly, I don’t see the gap between May and Aumont as a huge one.

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  64. Mike very confusing one comment is he has great stuff by derek and you are not as much thrilled as him. All I read indicates to me that May touch 97 on radar, dont know how accurate that is but is wild, control is a issue with most hard thrower, but quite frankly they are just throwers at this stage, must learn to pitch, May may no pun intended pitch in the major, but with his stuff he has a good chance to be a top starter, this year to me is a excited year need to see if singleton can advance, if gillies can rebound, if james advances or regress, at his age he must do more to advance to me. cosart can get to reading it would be great. and we really need to have in my opinion at least one top infielder to be ready for a polanco departing in two years or rollins and a left young player to replace ibanez.I dont believe the phillies can keep all there pitchers past two years, and by then someone must replace oswalt, without hurting us and thats a tall order

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  65. “I am not bitter. I am tired of people promoting undeserving players to satisfy some nebulous need.
    I voted for Worley again. He has qualities to be a winner now.”

    Are those qualities three average pitches and average control?

    Does anyone else see the irony here?

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  66. What’s even funnier is this.

    See if you can name the following 2 players, the first player is from 2009 and the 2nd from 2010:

    Player #1 (2009) – 7-12, 5.34 ERA, 1.383 WHIP, 9.6h/9, 6.8K/9, 2.9bb/9
    Player #2 (2010) – 3-11, 5.68 ERA, 1.713 WHIP, 9.5h/9, 8.5k/9, 5.9bb/9

    Player #1 was a bit better with his control but neither season can be clasified as good and yes, player #2 is Aumont in 2010.

    So who is player #1? He would be the guy who “has qualities to be a winner now” and is a top-3 prospect according to some, Vance Worley.

    What a difference a year makes.

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  67. And who was promoting Worley LAST year . You made my point. If Aumont improves as much as Worley then my hat is off to him. What brought this up was BBA saying he has the best curve in the Phils minor and I still dont see how that is possible against A level hitters.

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  68. Irony ha
    After all Worley did get rocked for 2 runs in 13 innings in the majors.
    and Skunky you can shove your small sample size into your home plate.

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  69. There are a zillion guys who were never able to overcome control problems, but some who did include Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Bob Feller, J.R. Richard, Sam McDowell and Nolan Ryan (McDowell and Ryan actually never really did, but things still worked out for them.). Some of these top guys had worse control problems than Trevor May at a more advanced age.

    If anyone is interested in seeing someone with really serious control issues, check out the stats of the infamous Steve Dalkowski for a laugh. Legend has it that Steve once pitched a complete minor-league game in which not a single ball was hit forward, fair or foul.

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  70. Rumor was that Dalkowski was simply the hardest thrower ever – somewhere around 105-107. However, among his many problems, Dalkowski simply was not bright enough to pitch effectively, even with that heat.

    Turning to the Worley comments. I sure as heck don’t view him as an upper eschelon prospect, but comments about his stuff being average simply are not true. I have seen him pitch on multiple occasions. He has very good stuff, including a nice fastball in the 90-94 MPH range, and a whole assortment of very effective breaking pitches. His upside is, essentially, Ron Darling (I know, I watched Darling pitch a lot – Worley is practically a Darling clone in terms of his stuff) – which, the last time I checked, is a fine, middle-of-the-rotation starter on a good team and a 5th starter on this team. Worley is going to open some eyes this year. I was very down on him last year, but I’ve done a 180 now that I’ve had a chance to actually see him.

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  71. Ron Darling when he was drafted was considered the best amateur pitcher in the country. 3up, I don’t think you can present pitchers with a 3 bb/9 difference in their stats and present them as similar players.

    My patron saint of control artists has always been Jason Neighborgall. An incredible pitcher who struck out 10.2 per nine, but walked 27.2! He left a trail of dented backstops all over the Pioneer League.

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  72. Don’t forget Koufax. When he was young he was a scary thing even to people in the tenth row.

    Worley seems to be one of those guys who get better as he goes up. Out of the 45 major league batter he faces appox. 28 went out or 0-1. None got a hit. Getting the first pitch past the batter is so important and echoes more than average stuff. The jury is out but they are smiling ,drinking coffee, and eating donuts.

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  73. You know I was never a Dubee fan but now that he has so little to do,he should concentrate on bringing the younger pitchers along. I have always been a fan of rotating minor league pitchers(near or at major league ready) . This year the bullpen will have so much sitting time rotation maybe necessary just to keep guys sharp. Most of the top ten will be too young but lets find out or even showcase.

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  74. Koufax’s problem was that he was a bonus baby. He shouldn’t have been in the Majors so soon, but those were the rules.

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  75. Those who claim that neither Aumont nor Gillies have ever shown a thing seem to take an interesting view of stats. Gillies put up dominant numbers in high A ball in 2009. How dominant you might ask? Dominant as in a .430 oba and .916 OPS with 44 stolen bases. That is all discounted because, well, it was at High Desert and that is a hitters’ paradise. Yet, Aumont pitched in this same hitters’ paradise and held opposing hitters to a .195 BA. His control wasn’t good enough, but he had the Ks. How do you hold opposing hitters to a .195 BA in a hitters’ paradise and not have shown something? In 2010, he moved from reliever to starter, which may have been part of the problem. As I said before, he also looked hurt.

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  76. Alan, I’m not presenting them as similar pitchers but making a larger point that evaluating minor league players based on their year-to-year statistical numbers is foolish. How can Worley “stink” based on performance in 2009 but have the “qualities to be a winner now” based on 13 innings in 2010?

    I know that this is a point that Nowheels will never get but I’m making the case to the larger audience here that talented players who have bad years aren’t failures, flops, stink, etc. There are many quality major league players who have had bad season(s) in the minors. Unfortunately, Aumont and Gillies have been singled out for extra vitriol based on the expectations that came from the Lee deal.

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  77. “Unfortunately, Aumont and Gillies have been singled out for extra vitriol based on the expectations that came from the Lee deal.”
    No no no they have been ranked based on expectations that came from the Lee deal. That and hearsay and stats we have no way to verify.
    That’s my view and will not discuss it anymore until midseason.

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  79. If you consider taking the word of scouts and other professional talent evaluators as hearsay then I guess you have a point. However, since I haven’t yet seen Cosart, Colvin, May, Singleton play either I have no choice but to take the word of scouts that they are talented guys. Not sure that would hold up in a court of law but on a message board, I think the standards are lower.

    As for the stats argument, unless I’m mistaken, they play baseball by the same rules on the west coast so I’m not sure how stats coming from those leagues are unverifiable. Don’t those teams have official scorers who keep track of game results?

    Even if all the numbers coming from those leagues are grossly inflated, it would seem that you could compare how Gillies, Ramirez, & Aumont performed against all of the other players in those leagues. Unless you’re making that case that there aren’t any talented players west of the Mississippi?

    But hey, you have your view and I’m certainly not going to change it so have a good day and enjoy 2011.

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  80. Allentown, where are you getting that info from? He showed up in great shape in the spring and worked out with Holloday.

    Looking forward to seeing what kind off shape Schwim comes back in

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  81. I see the link above from Baseball Intellect has 2. Aumont 3. J.C.Ramirez, 7&8 were Colvin, Cosart in some order, 12. Singleton. Yeah,, must be an old one.

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  82. The comments on Cosart’s came from BA’s 2010 Prospect Manual, meaning they likely reflect the views of the Phillies development staff, following the 2009 season. I admit they could apply to mental prep or physical prep or both. I took it to mean at least partly physical prep, since the Phillies couldn’t have been pleased that a guy drafted in 2008 and never having thrown a pitch in the 2008 season showed up in 2009 and was unable to start the season because of shoulder soreness. Anyhow, the exact quote is “A lack of maturity has held Cosart back, He needs to prepare better in the offseason as well as between starts, and he must improve his work ehic.” This is the sort of thing that John Manuel is highly unlikely to pick up by personal observation. It must have come from talking to Phillies staff.

    I too don’t understand the above comment on High Desert stats for Aumont and Gillies not being verified. The league reports them, they’re printed, the poster ought to be able to look them up.

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  83. am going with Aumont here. Break out year for him. No pressure on him this year. He was outstanding in the Pam Am qualifier for Canada back in Oct. where pitched 10 innings in two start. He struck out 11, walked one, gave up 5 hits and gave up only one earned run.

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  84. Tracy was very popular in Allentown, probably the most popular player in each of his seasons. Still, not resigning him was the right thing to do. It would be extremely negligent management to allow Tracy to take playing time from Rizzotti. Best not to leave your manager with that sticky decision. There was talk that the Phillies would make Tracy a coach. I guess he decided that he wanted to play another season.

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  85. no comment Let’s move on.

    In the words of “House” everyone lies. I remember going to an Eagles workout and reading an article by a “highly respected” writer who clearly was no where near that workout but wrote about it anyway.
    Why would a scout tell us the truth? Generalization are all you can hope for. A lot is written to gain favor with a team and gain access. Even here some people had trouble with Schwim because he told the truth.

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  86. Allentown,

    I agree with you on Tracy. He was a solid and popular player for the Phillies AAA team but since they now have a potential prospect to evaluate in that spot, they needed to clear the deck and give Rizzotti the at-bats.

    Don’t be surprised if Tracy eventually does return as a coach in the next couple of years.

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  87. I can’t rank Aumont this high because of the rumors that the Phils are moving him to the pen. You can’t/shouldn’t have a reliever as your third best prospect. I personally moved him out of my top 15 just based on that alone. I went with Colvin here, same as I did with #2 (and looks like I will again at 4). As others have said, his ceiling may not be as high as Cosart, but he just seems more likely to reach the ceiling.

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  88. It is fairly crazy to pick through this. Colvin, and Cosart fight it out in a coin flip for 3 & 4, It would be easy to just skip 3 and have 2 4s. Then there is May with Valle heading up the rankings too. Embarrassingly, Worley has got to be somewhere on this list, and he is the guy that most hope/expect to be the #5 with the big club. The only easy choice is that Bidlde has to be lower due to rawness/age.

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  89. The only point that I can see for these rankings is to generate discussion and it seems to be working pretty well. As for me, Cosart has better stuff but Colvin is healthier so I voted for Valle.

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  90. Makes sense. Certainly nothing helps a scout’s career more than intentionally passing around misinformation. Same with the guys at BA & Baseball Prospectus and analysts like famed Philly hater Keith Law.

    As for your mystery reporter, no doubt there are a few media “names” who can get a bit lazy or use 3rd party information to meet a deadline.

    Note: you do realize that “House” is a fictional character, right?

    But this conversation has run its course so as Porky Pig says, That’s all folks!!”

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  92. for being a Phillie hater Keith Law had good words on Cosart.

    Guess we all have favorites that we want to succeed since we were never in the same position as these young kids are in.

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  93. How is Aumont on anyone’s top 15 list ? He has proved nothing in the last 2 years to even warrant a top 30 pick

    If his name was Joe Smith and he posted these terrible numbers , where would he be ranked ?

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  94. I’ve seen Cosart live and his stuff is filthy so if Colvin and May are being mentioned in this conversation for 3 I can’t wait to see them pitch.

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  95. Dom, in the top 30. A 21 year old with that kind of strikeout rate in the FSL has potential, regardless of the ERA.

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  97. “The only choice that is easy is Biddle, due to rawness and age.”
    I don’t agree with that at all. Biddle showed more in his first half season than any of the big 3, plus his pedigree is nearly the same as all except maybe Colvin… and he is left handed.
    It shouldn’t be out of the question for him to be considered top 5.

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  101. Allentown : Are you being serious on Aumont ?

    2009 : Clearwater….4.48 era with a whip of 1.60
    2009 : Reading …7.43 era with a 1.87 whip

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  102. i think those are his 2010 #’s Dom. I believe his 2009 #’s were pretty good i just don’t have time to look them up.

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  103. Considering that he wasn’t even in the Phillies system in 2009, it’s tough to think that he would’ve pitched in Reading. Anyway, here are his actual 2009 numbers:

    2009: High Desert (A+), 1-2, 35K, 12BB, 33.1IP, 3.24 ERA, 1.08 WHIP
    2009: West Tenn (AA), 1-4, 24K, 11BB, 17.2IP, 5.09ERA, 1.81 WHIP (also had a .435 BABIP!)

    Not bad numbers in 2009 as a 20 year old, especially the K’s. He needs to work on his control. He has the same issues as May does at this point. If he can get the walks under control, he could be a special pitcher. Time will tell. 2011 will be his age 22 season, so he isn’t exactly old either.

    All that said, I have him listed as 17 on my list.

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