Around the System (Rotation)

Around the System

A look at how the current starting rotation has been performing at each level of the Phillies Minor League System:

Lehigh Valley (AAA)

 1.  Carlos Carrasco- 0-6, 5.81 ERA, 48.0 IP, 13BB 52K, 1.45 WHIP, .288 Opp Avg, .351 Opp Avg with RISP

 2.  Kyle Kendrick–  3-3, 4.21 ERA, 47.0 IP, 20BB 32K, 1.46 WHIP, .262 Opp Avg, .170 Opp Avg with RISP.  

3.  Andrew Carpenter-  1=0, 4.02 ERA, 40.1 IP, 18BB 25K, 1.44 WHIP, .262 Opp Avg., .258 Opp Avg. with RISP.

4.  Rodrigo Lopez- 2-2, 3.94 ERA, 32.0 IP, 5BB 24K, 1.37 WHIP, .305 Opp Avg., .286 Opp Avg. with RISP.

5.  Antonio Bastardo–  2-2, 2.21 ERA, 40.2 IP, 9BB 50K, 0.86 WHIP, .186 Opp Avg.  This includes Reading Stats

Reading (AA)

1.  Vance Worley– 3-2, 3.22 ERA, 50.1 IP, 9BB 40K, 0.95 WHIP, .213 Opp Avg., .237 Opp Avg. with RISP.

2.  Joe Savery– 3-1,  3.98ERA, 43.0 IP, 19BB 34K, 1.44 WHIP, .261 Opp Avg., .150 Opp Avg. with RISP.

3.  Mike Stutes-  3-1, 3.98 ERA, 43.0 IP, 16BB 36K, 1.32 WHIP, .263 Opp Avg., .258 Opp Avg. with RISP.

4.  Tyson Brummett- 2-5, 5.32 ERA, 47.1 IP, 12BB 37K, 1.54 WHIP, .318 Opp AVg., .288 Opp Avg. with RISP.

5.  Gustavo Chacin– Just got his first start after coming out of Extended Spring Training.  Gave up a run in Five Innings and got the win.

Clearwater (A-Advanced)

1.  Kyle Drabek– 3-1, 2.91ERA, 52.2 IP, 18BB 67K, 1.18 WHIP, .224 Opp Avg, ,231 Opp AVg. with RISP.

2.  Yohan Flande– 5-1, 3.38ERA, 48 IP, 18BB 40K, 1.33 WHIP, .261 Opp Avg., .271 Opp AVg. with RISP.

3.  Carlos Monasterios– 2-3, 3.15 ERA, 34.1 IP, 12BB 32K, 1.14 WHIP, .223 Opp Avg., .200 Opp Avg. with RISP.

4.  Drew Naylor– 2-4, 6.05ERA, 38.2 IP, 14BB 25K, 1.65WHIO, .314 Opp Avg., .326 Opp AVg. with RISP.

5.  Mike Cisco– 0-0, 6.23 ERA, 13.0 IP, 4BB 9K, 1.46 WHIP, .283 Opp AVg. .267 Opp Avg. with RISP.

Lakewood (A)

1.  Tyler Cloyd– 4-2, 3.14 ERA, 57.1 IP, 7BB 54K, 1.08 WHIP, .257 Opp Avg. .295 Opp Avg. with RISP.

2.  Jason Knapp-2-4, 4.86ERA, 46.1 IP, 21BB 63K, 1.23 WHIP, .220 Opp Avg., .302 Opp Avg. with RISP.

3.  Heitor Correa–0-1, 3.13 ERA, 23.0 IP, 8BB 16 K, 1.21 WHIP, .233 Opp Avg., .240 Opp Avg. with RISP.

4.  Jon Velasquez–5-2, 5.49 ERA, 39.1 IP, 8BB 26K, 1.39 WHIP, .296 Opp Avg., .372 Opp Avg. with RISP.

5.  Jesus Sanchez–  1-3, 4.89 ERA, 35.0 IP, 16BB 39K, 1.69 WHIP, .305 Opp Avg., .234 Opp Avg., with RISP.

Starters currently on the DL include Julian Sampson (CLE) and Robert Roth (LKW)

63 thoughts on “Around the System (Rotation)”

  1. Considering his age and performance Flande needs to be moved up soon but I don’t see a spot for him.

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  2. How about Brummet. IMO he has no future as a starter and could get adjusted to the BP for the second have of the year.

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  3. I think Brummet is either a 5th starter or a long man so I think he needs to keep his arm stretched out.

    FWIW, Carrasco’s FIP this year is around 3.50. Hopefully his luck will change and his ERA will rebound. I think we are all quietly counting on him for the rotation next year.

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  4. Carrasco always does well until someone in the field gives up an error and then he falls apart. He just can’t seem to handle bad luck.

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  5. I quess Savery found out we were going to demote him to relief. Five shutout innings I am waiting to find out if Carpenter’s last start was for real after his cup of coffee .
    very interesting

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  7. if you go by the stats above it looks like 3 pitchers could be in the mix to bring up or deal. bastardo. worley, and drabek. actually 1 more cloyd. the most important stat in low minors has always been k to bb ratio and 4 – 1 is pretty much the minimum at a and aa. i.e. if you look at kendricks numbers he doesnt appear to be bad until you look at his k to bb. terrible. not the only thing but very important.

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  8. Savery’s best game as a pro! Hmmm!
    Plus a big move by Correa . I am getting confused again

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  9. What ever happened to garcia? Last I heard was visa issues or something? Is he hurt? What’s wrong with carasssco?

    Correa pitched well today and Steve Susdorf made his season debute…

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  10. Carrasco has pitched a lot better than his ERA. He’s actually been pretty solid in most of his starts other than that rough patch. Its still mental with him.

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  12. I smell a trade of some type coming sell you Taschner baseball cards and hat. Also if your name starts with B bring home some boxes

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  13. I wonder how old correa really is? Troy is on fire bring him up to clearwater he needs to be there at his age. Maybe we found brunletts replacement, who knows

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  14. Yeah. Probably. What’s the makeup on Correa? He seems to have EXTREME GB tendencies.
    I was happy to see Susdorf finally show up.

    Maybe Savery has finally started to get his control under wraps.

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  15. Carrasco didn’t pitch too badly yesterday. Unfortunately, Jason Donald was awful with two errors and bad swings all day although he had two infield hits. Bastardo was very terrific in his start though.

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  16. Mike throw names in a hat at the American legion game and you could replace Bruntlett. Taylor is going to be awesome

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  18. Carrasco’s FIP is 2.96 so he most likely will have more success as the season goes along. He’s still striking out a ton of hitters which is awesome.

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  19. Knapp’s success has really tapered off- seems like control issues coupled with a difficulty pitching out of the stretch.

    Glad we didn’t promote him like so many people were clamoring for early on…. he’d be getting smoked in Clearwater.

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  20. Boy the way he started, I was thinking this guy is going to be up fast. I hope that I am learning most of these kids need time to develop. Isn;t he still young for lakewood?

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  22. Joe Savery and Mike Stutes numbers are scarily similar. I know stutes was 11th round and Savery was 1st but maybe thats a sign that were overreacting a little to savery’s numbers. this IS his 1st season completely being a pitcher after all.

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  23. Knapp is young for level. If he repeated Lakewood next year he’d still be age appropriate.

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  24. Any word on shreve? Has anyone seen anything in about him in extended spring training.?

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  26. it is painful to watch moyer. how much more time? check his stats they are absurdly bad.you cannot go into a series KNOWING you are going to lose.the phils HAVE to make a move if they want to win it all. moyer has had enough time.

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  27. John,

    Okay, this time I mostly agree with you. But really Moyer wasn’t THAT bad tonight (and he was better in his previous start). Take away one pitch and his line would have looked pretty good. Even with that pitch, here is an interesting factoid for you: the Phils are 6-3 when their started allows precisely 4 runs. Not exactly a guarenteed loss.

    Yeah, I think that they will end up replacing Moyer. But they didn’t panic 4 weeks ago (when you advocated big, immediate, changes in the starting rotation), and they are in first place. No need to rush things now – especially since there aren’t really any good options in the minors who are ready now. No, Worley isn’t ready, and has zero chance of being called up.

    Most likely there will be a trade down the road (unless Moyer does get it together, which I agree he probablt won’t). But it won’t likely be for an ace (as much as I would like it to be), for salary reasons if nothing else. If they do bring someone up from the minors, it’s not going to be one of the very young guys that you want to see them bring up – it’ll be one of the guys in AAA (though all of them are problematic for one reason or another, which is one reason why Moyer is still starting).

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  28. I’d love Flande to be moved up and Brummett to go. Anywhere. I was never high on him, and it continuously seems like he puts up bad numbers.

    I’m excited about the prospect of Chacin realizing the ability he had a few years back when he won 13 games for Toronto. Can never have too many good arms. With the last few years’ additions of Kris Benson, Rodrigo Lopez, and Chacin, one of them is going to come back to where they were before and make the FO look like geniuses. And if not, then it’s worth the flier.

    And by the way, hooray for everyone realizing that a few starts in a season is not enough to call for someone’s promotion (or demotion for that matter). It was inevitable that Knapp and Stutes would come back to earth, just as it is probable that Moyer and Lidge will even out. Take a deep breath before clamoring for a change that is probably not necessary. It’s a long season.

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  29. Mr. Formerly
    I enjoy your statements. The problem is Lidge should get some garbage innings to straigten out, and Moyer was pitching against his best target(12-1) so it could be said if he
    can’t beat Florida…. Also not Helms the vet hit the HR not a
    young freeswinger. Lets see what Carpenter does his next start maybe he has seen the light likewise Chacin. If Happ and
    Myers hold to what they have done lately and Romero gets back I would hold off on a trade and bring up someone who you commited to for dear life

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  30. Brummett’s peripherals aren’t terrible either. 7 HRs is high, but that’s not the kind of performance that should merit an end to his starting career.

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  31. I’ve been a bit of a Brummett cheerleader for the last 2 years (in the interest of full disclosure). I was disappointed by 2 starts he had prior to his last start. I pulled those two starts out and he has a 2.83 ERA. He hasn’t given up more than 3 runs (and only once with 3), if you remove those two starts. If his next start is a good one, I’d say he’s back on track. I don’t want Brummett to stand in the way of a big time prospect moving up but I wouldn’t switch Flande for Brummett quite yet.

    ps. I like Flande a lot too. Until Savery’s last start, I was thinking Flande for Savery and put Joe’s bat back in the equation. But Savery has to get his BBs down.

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  32. Bellman Says:
    ps. I like Flande a lot too. Until Savery’s last start, I was thinking Flande for Savery and put Joe’s bat back in the equation. But Savery has to get his BBs down.

    I am beginning to think(see) there are all kinds of maturation.
    Maybe more control is Savery’s . And for god’s sake no more donkey trades(if Outman is 2-0 for the A’s what would he be here) Do I sound bitter ’cause I am .

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  33. Reading the Phillies web site is troublesome
    Blanton:You feel like you make one bad pitch and suddenly you gave up five runs,” SAY WHAT!

    and Uncleuncle: Manuel could have Lidge pitch in the sixth, seventh or eighth inning until he resolves his issues.

    “That’s worse,” the skipper said. “What kind of message is that? That’s really worse. That’s what Houston used to do to him. They used to slide him into the sixth or seventh.”

    Lidge is 0-2 with a 9.15 ERA and eight saves in 12 opps
    Of course

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  34. If not for Blanton’s hr during the wfs i would be bitter as well,but i am not

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  35. If anyone is going up from A I would think it be Drabek, he has been solid. I think they want to bring him slowly though.

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  37. So if I read Charlie right, Lidge is bigger than the team. I don’t know if it would help but maybe a non pressure seveth or eighth would help. Drabek I believe is there best pitching prospect right now and they just want to see him take it slow, especially coming off a injury.

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  38. Saw Flande pitch on Sunday afernoon in Tampa. Has a nice slider and ok velocity. Probably sits about 90. In the humidity he ran out of gas in the 4th inning after dominating the first three inning but was stretched to the 6th after which the Threshers bullpen blew a three run lead with Byrd who does not seem to have much of a future, Brauer who could not get out two lefties and Schwimer after pitching an inning the night before had nothing and was hit hard.

    Interesting story on Correa including a little on his substance abuse problem and suspension last year.
    http://www.app.com/article/20090525/SPORTS/90525068/1002/Correa+comes+through

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  39. Flande’s start of the season was certainly interesting, especially after a triple jump all the way from GCL. That being said, he was probably a little ahead of the hitters early on, most likely from pitching some in the offseason.

    From the reports it seems he probably has marginal stuff to be a big league starter. He does seem to have a significant platoon split, so a bullpen job is probably his future.

    No need to be that quick on promotions, however, even considering his age. The triple jump really was aggressive, so I would have no problem leaving him in Clearwater for most of the rest of the year. He will be an interesting decision for the 40-man roster after the season as well. Not a high end prospect, but maybe someone that could survive as the 3rd LH relief pitcher on a major league staff as soon as next year (like Escalona this year).

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  40. On Carasco, I watched him on Sunday and he was 89 – 93 all game with several 93s in the 6th inning. He only allowed a scratch run in the first and a solo homer in the 3rd. In the 6th, he had 2 outs and a man on 2nd or 3rd, and got a soft grounder which went right through Donald’s legs to allow an unearned run and end his day. I didn’t count but he threw many pitches between 91-93 but his strike outs mostly came on a knee buckling curve that he threw ahead in the count which had guys cursing on the way back to the bench. I also had a chance to ask a Durham Bulls player about Bastardo, who threw the night before, and he responded thart he was really good with serious ball movement. Separate topic: I heard Keith Laws on XM radio Sunday morning on a national baseball show respond to the question “who is a lower level prospect that we need to keep an eye out for” by saying “The best might be Kyle Drabek because he is really racking up the Ks and will be promoted soon and be in Philly by the end of 2010.”

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  42. when did we get gustavo chacin???

    Also Saw Rodrigo Pitch in Buffalo yesterday, and im confused as to how he was a starter in the bigs last year.
    However, Pablo Ozuna continued to hit the ball very well, i was slightly disappointed, Jason Donald did not play however, i can see why the Ironpigs record is what it is.

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  43. When JC returns, and the Phils DFA Taschner – and gets picked up by another team; who takes his 40 man roster spot – Donald?

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  44. Rodrigo Lopez was not a starter in the Bigs last year. He missed last year after undergoing surgery on his arm.

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  45. I wanted to get your guys thoughts on these possible trade targets for the Phillies.

    Roy Oswalt(my favorite)
    Erik Bedard
    Jared Washburn(least favorite)
    Jason Marquis(close second to Washburn)

    What do you think it would take to get Oswalt? Ken Rosenthal thinks they should try to move him to boast there farm system, something we have a lot of in the lower minors.

    I think Washburn and Marquis are two more 4-5 starters. I’m up in the air about Bedard. I also think think Seattle will want too much for him.

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  46. no interest in Marquis. Bedard has a hamstring. Oswalt is ok but very expensive. I’ll try our own unless You can get Bedard on a salary dump

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  47. Throw-In – I’d be surprised if the Phils DFA’d Taschner since he still has options. They’ll probably just send him to the minors. They currently have openings on the 40-man if they wanted to add someone.

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  48. Oswalt is the only apparently available pitcher I’d trade mutiple prospects for. Bedard being a rental doesn’t make him particularly valuable to us, in terms of the future. Neither Washburn nor Marquis should merit even one of our top prospects. If the big club is going to spend money, it needs to be on a real upgrade. Donald, Marson, and Carrasco could each save us money next season. Currently, we have 3 #5s in the rotation, and we don’t need another.

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  49. The deal I’d be trying to put together is one for Matt Cain. You can control him through 2011. What it would take…who knows but I would consider any of our prospects at this point if they agree to take Blanton back to make a spot for him in the rotation. Most say the Giants are looking for major ready POP.

    Marson for Oswalt…I’d do it. Ruiz is solid and we have catching prospects a plenty. Oswalt has a full no trade so who knows what he would want to waive it.
    At the very least some creativity could land us a true 1A type starter.

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  50. They want a bat. I believe that is major league ready, that is why I believe he goes to oakland for holliday.

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  51. Half the roster will be at least 75 mil next year and that is without Myers. Is Ruiz arb elgb? I big time pitcher may push it closer to 95 or 100 mil so…. young guys have to fit in somewhere unless the Phils want to go 150 mil

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  52. i cant imagine what seattle would ask for bedard considering they gave up the best young centerfielder in the game for him..and yes he’s better than sizemore

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  53. I can’t imagine the Phillies trading for Oswalt unless Houston takes on a considerable amount of salary. We have the prospects, we just have to Thome Ed Wade.

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  56. Nowheels, the existing signed players have considerable raises built into their contracts next year (Madson, Howard, Utley, Hamels, Ibanez, Werth) – that’s close to 20 mil I believe.

    Anon – You must really not follow Young at all, he can’t pitch outside of Petco. He’d get murdered in CBP.

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  57. went to the game very cold strangely reminded me of clay dalrymple days. ais b-4 blanton can actually pitch no need to replace him. 3 pitches 88 mph 1 problem which didnt plague him tonite hanging that one big curve. as opposed to moyer but to be fair last night he started throwing that big hook which completly surprised me. might help but i still want haren 1 oswalt or cain 2 young.last night i heard the same excuses ” he gave us a chance” a pitcher is supposed to do more than give you a chance. bottalico completely covered for moyer which is understandable. however b-4 the missed 3rd strike moyer did walk 2 guys.

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  62. B
    I didnt even try to look into the future thanks. Put it all together I dont see the Phils going much higher as it is ole retired Giles is probably calling Montgomery hourly and developing a rash.
    Moyer may have to headhunt to get people off the plate

    Btw I would like to express how bad i feel about the Mets injuries NOT

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  63. it has been a bit under discussed on the blog this morning but bastardo got the call. reading the report on phillies.com this morning was very interesting. he was referred to as a “power pitcher” with “lot of life in his fastball” and “got a nice breaking pitch”.

    more than any prospect i can remember recently, the scouting reports have been all over the place on him over the past two years. i don’t know why it has been so difficult to get a real report on a guy with such good numbers. it seems that he has really slid under the radar to most of the services, but it will be fun to watch him and finally see for real.

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