Reader Top 30; #9

2009 Reader Top 30

Travis D’Arnaud took the number 8 spot in impressive fashion, receiving 161 of the 239 votes cast, a healthy margin for sure. Things are about to get real interesting now, as no player really stood out as a close 2nd place. I mentioned it before, a number of times, if you choose to vote for a player not listed by using the “OTHER” choice, you still need to type in your selection before you actually submit your vote. Anyway, full results below the fold…

Travis D’Arnaud — 161
Joe Savery — 36
John Mayberry — 16
Zach Collier — 11
Jason Knapp — 10
Mike Cisco — 2
Drew Naylor — 2
Joel Naughton — 1

Up to date list looks like this

01. Carlos Carrasco, RHP
02. Lou Marson, C
03. Jason Donald, SS
04. Kyle Drabek, RHP
05. Michael Taylor, OF
06. Dominic Brown, OF
07. JA Happ, LHP
08. Travis D’Arnaud, C
09.

Here’s your poll for #9

Write-in votes so far

Edgar Garcia
Mattair
Hewitt
Berry
Bastardo
Sampson
Stutes

78 thoughts on “Reader Top 30; #9”

  1. I said it last time, and i’m saying it again, I love jason knapp. I’m gonna keep voting for him and that fastball till he gets in.

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  2. I haven’t voted yet because I really have no clue who to vote for. I know I’m not voting for Savery because I haven’t read or seen anything to make me believe he’s anything worth getting excited about, and I fear that injuries have in fact already gotten to him. I’m pretty sure my vote will be for Knapp, because really, it’s hard to argue against a 97 MPH fastball, but his secondary stuff is always reported as fringy. I may go with old favorite Tony Bastard, who has put up good numbers everywhere while healthy. I think I’m going to see voting and comments before making a decision.

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  3. I went Collier, he’s a personal favorite of mine. But this is actually a really tough pick for me. Any of the top 4 you could make a case for.

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  5. I’m glad to see Cisco get some love–I thought I was the only one! (and, yes, I know he’s old for his level…)

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  6. I’ll be honest and say I’m biased for Naughton for personal reasons. But realistically I’ll vote for him a bit further down.

    Cisco for me again.

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  8. I’m surprised Edgar Garcia hasn’t gotten any votes yet. Even though he struggled in Reading, its an imressive accomplishment just to make it there as a 20 year old. I thought about writing him in for this spot but in the end I went with Savery because of how strong he closed the season and because the consensus seems to be that he’s got a higher upside.

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  9. Fritz
    Dont worry about Cisco’s level since he had nothing to do
    with it. It took time for the Phils to believe like people on this site. A couple of games at Clearwater might have helped
    p.s I hope we are right i hate wiping egg off my face

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  11. Gotta go with Knapp. Don’t know a whole lot about the guy, but from what I’ve heard, he could really be something special.

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  12. I went Collier and it wasn’t an easy vote. I just feel like out of all the toolsy OFs we have had, he looks like the real deal. We’ll see. I think if Knapp/Collier/Savery/Garcia ar basically taking home the next 4 spots.

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  14. I vote Savery. Though he didn’t put forth alot of obscure stats for people to cherry-pick and ooh-and-ahh over.
    he still put in alot of work and got alot of experience and innings, so he’s still right on schedule. I think alot of the downturn in evaluation in some circles is a result of the downturn in media hype.

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  15. Went with Savery more on pedigree than anything else. Can’t say his 08 season was overly impressive but he did pitch well in stretches surrounded by bouts of inconsistency. Do like that he threw a lot of innings and showed he was healthy.

    09 will be a big season for him..

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  16. It’s time for Super Joe to make the list. We forget he was double jumped last year. Big year for this guy.

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  19. Knapp. Great arm. Has anyone heard about them tinkering with his delivery? I believe that was a concern coming out.

    Savery has pedigree, and in fairness put up a bunch of innings, but for me, I just don’t see him as a top of the rotation guy. A solid three probably. Maybe I should give him bonus points for the bat?

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  20. Aussie nationals Rain delay tonight but this weekend sees 3 game series.. RAMS v ACES

    From Phillies Minors , 3rd Starter for RAMS is Drew Naylor, Catcher for RAMS at least 2 games is Joel Naughton.

    F6 or F4 for Victorian Aces will be Brad Harman.

    Results will be at this Link:

    http://tinyurl.com/5foeto

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  21. Handzus – I’ve had Edgar Garcia here since the start, and I’m going Edgar Garcia.

    Held his own at age 20 in 58 AA innings, plus pitching is always a premium.

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  23. I voted other for Mattair.

    I know he won’t get top 10 but I think it’s time to get his name listed instead of having it written in.

    Once Mattair is listed I will start voting for Sampson to get his name listed.

    Anyone wanna guess who my two favorite prospects are right now? 🙂

    Hey PP, sometime after we finish with the top 30 list, why not do a positional depth chart kind of thing.

    I saw a post on phillies.com that laid out who the poster thought would be starter and backup for each level at the catcher position.

    Here’s the post by liqwid:

    With the recent catcher trades, were does that leave the Phillies catching depth down to the minors?

    Have to assume Coste is not in the picture soon and more than likely traded.

    So far I have >>

    Phillies : Ruiz + Paulino
    AAA LHV : Marson + ?
    AA Reading : Goswisch + Robbins
    A+ Threshers : Naughton + ?
    A Blueclaws : D’Arnaud + ?
    SS Williamsport : Arzeno + ?

    We could vote for who starts at AAA one day, then backup next, AA starter next, etc. Or we could each post our own thoughts on a list of who we think is on what team and who starts… leaving out the big league club of course.

    probably be best done during spring traing after minor league signings are close to complete.

    Just a thought

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  25. I’ll take Knapp also. But I’d be a little worried that he was shut down after August 12 after pitching just about every 5th or 6th day. Because of his young age, I’d bet he pitches in Williamsport in 2009.

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  27. I went with Collier here, I just love his potential, and none of the other prospects here are that developed, but it’s close between him and Savery.

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  29. We’re starting to get into projections more and more. I picked Savery because of the major college program he came from and the fact that he’s closer to the show then the others.

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  31. we aren’t focused on the major league club on this site john.

    We didn’t get rid of any prospects for him and since there aren’t any OF prospects pushing for playing time on the big club it doesn’t really effect the minor league.

    the only effect it has is losing our 1st round draft pick next year. on that end I would have rather found another player that wouldn’t have not required losing a draft pick.

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  33. Voted for Savery here, although E. Garcia was real close to getting my vote. If Savery wins here, Garcia will be my #10.

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  34. I voted for Savery after looking at his 2008 numbers again. He really had about three awful starts that skewed his full-season numbers. I know you can’t dismiss those, but it’s preferable IMO to having a guy who throws six innings and gives up two to four runs every time. The groundball rate is strong and the K/BB numbers are decent. He doesn’t look like an ace in the making to me, but as a #9 prospect, you could do worse, and we generally have.

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  35. Joe Savery.

    Savery battled all season through ups and downs but I’m not concerned. He admitted coming into the season he needed to learn how to pitch so why would anyone think he should be dominating yet? I think he’s going to continue to make excellent progress.

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  36. I threw a vote in for Julian Sampson. To me he’s Knapp with a year under his belt. I like Savery but his drop in velocity last year drops him out of the top 10 for me and I’ve never been a big fan of Garcia who is pitching at high levels for his age but he has never exceled at those levels.

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  37. Knapp is going to make even greater strides this year. Savary just doesn’t have a dominant pitch. The last two first round picks will be busts. I think ppl overvalue Savary only because he’s a first round pick.

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  38. Garcia is ‘closer’ than Savery, and probably has a higher ceiling, and is younger…is everyone around here taking crazy pills?

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  39. RodeoJones, if it makes you feel better I have Garcia next. I rated Savery a tick higher because he’s a lefty and a real threat with the bat. But you’re right, Garcia is both younger and further along.

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  42. The ‘crazy pills’ thing was a joke, from some movie. I know Savery had a better year, especially at the end of it, but in this formula:

    ceiling x performance x age = rank

    I have Garcia ahead of ceiling and age and the performance isn’t so far behind that it dissuades me from going Garcia over Savery. I’d have to think the Phillies see something there as well or else he wouldn’t have been sent to Reading. The people who see him every day determined he could handle it.

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  44. I think Collier is the best player on the board right now. Scouts like him, and he was one of only six 17 year olds to collect 150 plate appearances in the Gulf Coast League. Among them he ranked third in OBP, fourth in OPS, and second in RC/27.

    Interesting to note that Sebastian Valle had a better OPS as a younger player in the same league. And he’s a catcher. Valle should REALLY gather some consideration within the next 3-4 slots.

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  45. Yeah the next four or five spots are going to be really interesting with some potentially very good players.

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  48. I’ll vote Collier — my favorite from a good 2008 draft.
    Knapp, Garcia, Mayberry next and about equivalent

    To Phil —
    Can’t see D’Arnaud in Williamsport in 2009. He started 2008 there and ended in Lakewood. He’ll do 2009 in Lakewood with a chance to move up to Clearwater.

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  49. We are getting to the point where people like Kennelly, Berry, Valle, Cisco/Stutes, Collier and Knapp are going to start getting some votes. I’m going to love this part.

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  50. Also noticed that Tim Kennely is playing RF for Perth along with 2b Mitch Graham who was with the Phillies and got hurt in a traffic accident an was let go. Former Phil Mark Kelly pitched 8 innings of 1 hit baseball for Perth. Angus Roeger is playing RF for South Australia. Former Phil Tim Auty is playing CF for New South Wales.

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  51. Just a few words on Edgar Garcia. Needs excellent control because fast ball is not over powering. Other pitches are average, needs to develop change up. Doesn’t miss enough bats. Very coachable, seems to adjust at every level after rough start. Still very young so always a chance to develop.

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  53. I’m between Savery/Garcia for 9 and 10…

    Naylor, Mattair, Sampson, Galvis, and Escalona will be makin my list soon

    I see a lot of love for Cisco…why not so much for Stutes? He seemed to be the bigger draw at the games I attended, whereas Cisco replaced an injured Chance Chapman before earning his starting spot.

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  57. Agree Savery showed enough promise to keep hope alive as a #3 starter–maybe. But he also cast doubt that he would regain his full velocity. Agree 2009 will be his crucible.

    We have moved to a higher risk section of the farm now. From guys who are likely to excel, given health, to guys who might excel, if X, Y, or Z.

    Garcia fits that category on inconsistent performance. Collier and Knapp on lack of reliable pro track record. Throw Worley in there too as a potential setup guy or closer. All have risk, but we should hope real hard for extraordinary luck with them, because our new GM won’t be banking draft choices, it seems.

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  62. So, Australian stats—The most interesting one to me is Brad Harman leading the league in assists. One might think he is playing SS. Anybody know?

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  64. It’s hard for me to see any pitcher over Bastardo here–the guy is pretty close to the bigs and misses bats. Savery really needs to strike out more guys before he jumps him.

    Mayberry is old, but has an upside, at least.

    I’d pick Bastardo, and by a significant margin.

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  65. I also noticed the Daniel Schimitt a recent signee is pitching fo WA in the Aussie league, whoever that is. Wonder why SS Alan Schoenberger isn’t playing?

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  66. Airborneranger did you ever get to see Cosart in the instructional league. I tried to ask you before maybe I missed your answer thanks

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  67. Airbornranger:
    “Wonder why SS Alan Schoenberger isn’t playing?”

    He just wasn’t picked as SS for the QLD rams.

    I just saw him play just today for our PHL club.. had a great game at F6 and even relief Pitched but still not considered best SS/2B for QLD Rams. He is still 19 until 2009, I’d guess start off at Williamsport.

    WA is Western Australia but goes by the name Perth Heat now.

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  68. Saw that Harman was at 2B for all three games in the second round of the Aussie national tournament for Victoria. In the four game opening round he was at SS. Guess he has a shot to make the Phils opening day 25 man roster as the utility infielder with Bruntlett at second if Utley starts the season on the DL. Based on what Ruben said at the winter meetings looks like Donald will get a lot of playing time at third at AAA.

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  69. Only got to spend a few days in Clearwater. Didn’t see Cosart pitch, did see him working out at the complex. Seemed to be concentrating on consistent release points and landings when I saw him. Compton said he’s doing really good.

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  70. rb worst possible scenerio harmon should not be on mlb roster,and brunlett should be in aaa not donald. ws teams have to move on like boston. if their excuse is for donald to gain experience at 3rd how many times last year did i say donald should have been playing 3rd then.looks like service time. donald is a better hitter than brunlett right now and will quickly blow by him. same with marson. isnt paulino another lh.once again their afraid of eating a contract. feliz next year. meanwhile we may lose valuable early games.

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  72. Look as i said before I am ancient and this teams has always been the same look up Terry Harmon played utiltiy for years when he finally would get in games he stunk he played 10 years . No matter what excuse u make Bruntlett stinks but so did taguchi. I dont understand why they are so stuborn but
    one they decide something u would think they are from
    Texas, Offering any team Eaton who would pay him 1 mil is an example Eat the contract Jenkins as well before the regular season but as long as Gillick is still here NEVER HAPPEN
    (I screamed that and scared the dog)

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  73. nowwheels please just was thinking, wasn’t it harmon who caught rose liner to third in mahafftey no hitter

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  74. Vukovich caught Rose liner to end Rick Wise no-hitter. I don’t think Mahaffey had a nohitter and he and Harmon did not play together as Phillies.

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  75. James a possible suggestion for the poll? On Sickels blog there is a top 150 readers poll going on and they do testers that are added to the poll, if they don’t get above 5 percent of the vote they are removed and another guy is added. Just a suggestion to keep some fresh names coming on the list.

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  77. lol so people would rather we have Donald ride the pine the entire year on the bench rather than getting playing time in AAA learning third base?

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