Saw this asked in the comments on a previous post. The Phillies receive a sandwich pick (#34 overall) plus the Giants 2nd round pick for the loss of Aaron Rowand. The second round is not set yet, as the number of comp picks hasn’t been decided, but the pick will be somewhere between #50 and #55. The Phillies 2nd round pick will be somewhere in the 75-79 range, and then we also receive a compensation pick at the end of the 3rd round for not signing Workman last year. So all told, we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. Let’s hope Gillick doesn’t take the cheap route (as mandated by the owners) and can sign 6 quality prospects to help give the system a boost. We’ll have lots of draft coverage come spring time, but you have to be optimistic about having 6 picks in the first 120 or so spots.
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I cannot remember where it was, but I read that the Giants 1st round pick is protected and the Phils will not recieve it? Anyone know anything about this? Additionally, 5 or 6 picks in the 1st 120 picks is great. “IF” the phils get there shizzle together, they can keep building for a future.
I also read a few times that Gillcik was waiting for Rowand to sign before he made a deal, maybe that is because if he signs elsewhere the Phils get more draft picks to refill if the phils make a big trade with their current prospects. If he signs with the Phils it is a postive and they do not lose out on any prospects. Ummm, maybe I am giving them too much credit???
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Yes, the Top 15 picks in the first round are protected, so we receive their 2nd round pick.
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I’m not really sure how much faith I have yet in this abundance of draft picks, Gillick hasn’t shown me anything to inspire any confidence in me. I really hope they sign some quality prospects and replenish the farm with some good prospects that can help the club.
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If only an owner could figure out how to make Minor League ball break even, maybe profitable after big signings. That is the missing piece. I’m confident that doing so would not take a genius, just a practical mind. Then the owners can invest more in picks. It all comes down to money, so why not build up hat, jersey, and other sales from the guts of the organization to compensate a more aggressive minor league stance. Sell Media! Tape games, post them on the internet, maybe only the highlights, sell ads, and minor league bobbleheads.
Nevermind, I’m an idealistic moron.
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The Phillies under Gillick have not lost top Draft Picks. This is how the Braves and A’s refueled their Minors each year.
I think these 6 picks in the first 3 120 picks will make or break the hearts of Philly Phans. The team better step up and sign 6 Overslot picks. The team will need them as we lose some of our core in 4-5 years. This is crucial.
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Maybe Gillick has not shown a lot of promise to draft and sign better players, but he has definitely not traded away picks. That is a good sign. Look at Wade, he is doing it again, 6 player trade for Miguel Tejada???
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Now we can get two more first rounders for the PAdres’ signing of Tad Iguchi. We get their first rounder, plus a sandwich.
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We get nothing for Gooch.
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Really? Baseball America says he was a Type A guy. Do we get nothing cuz we released him?
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Iguchi because he was in the Japanese League for many years, was not under the Free-Agent system we use here.
His agent negotiated with the White Sox that if they did not want him at the end of his contract, that he would be free and clear, without draft picks limiting his potential of signing with someone else.
When we traded with the White Sox the language of his contract came with him. He has a very weak arm, and really wants to play 2B where he is comfortable.
Many of the web sites listed Iguchi as a Type A Free Agent, and he would have been if he had come up through the minor league developmental system. So sadly no draft picks for him. The good news if there had been draft picks then the White Sox never would have traded him for so low a prospect, and we would not have made the playoffs with Nunez at 2B.
You Win some, you Lose some.
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Yeah, we get zero for Iguchi
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With 9 Draft Picks in the first 3 Rounds of the Draft during 2006 and 2007, and with 6 more scheduled in 2008, this totals 14 Draft Picks in the first 3 Rounds (-1 for Workman twice) in the first 3 years of Gillick’s stewardship.
Also, 6 of the 14 will be First and Sandwich Round picks before Round Two.
I believe that Pat Gillick understands the long term value of Draft Picks.
During Wade’s last three years as Phillies GM, there were only 6 Draft picks in the first 3 Rounds vs. 14 Draft Picks, and only 1 was in the First Round or Sandwich Round vs. 6
14/6
6/1
Big Difference.
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Good work SirAlden, nice info! I hope now that they are on a path to build from within they use these prospects to make the appropriate trades. Arbuckle was quoted last year when asked about why trading Floyd away. He said you have prospects for two reasons; to develop and help you at the big league level or to trade them away for proven quality help at the big league level.
With probably 2-3 legit prospects, 6 good level draft picks for 08, they should be able to make a trade now to push them over the top and begin a dynasty while developing the young players to help or trade for better players later.
Notice I said should!
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Should! Here’s hoping. Phuture Phillies is here to keep them honest!
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If there’s a deal to be made for our current top prospects–for a Haren or Bedard, say–they should pull the trigger with confidence knowing that they can restock pretty fast next June. Of course, it doesn’t seem like such a deal is out there; even Carrasco, Cardenas and Outman together probably doesn’t get us one of those good pitchers.
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Ed Wade, 2010 – Advance Scout, San Diego Padres.
Seriously, you have to give Gillick some credit for trying to build the entire franchise when, really, he is in it for the short haul and could trade or sign away the future to win immeidately.
However, there’s the problem with that approach in the context of the current situation. First, if you take the approach, you need to “walk the walk” – get the slots, make good picks based on talent not “signability”, and sign your picks. Now, do we have any confidence this will happen? Of course not. Second, my problem is that I think the Phils really are in a “win now” situation – only very, very rarely do you get a fairly young nucleus like Howard, Utley, Rollins and Hamels – when that comes together you need to add the extra pieces to make the team a champion. Subtracting a quality centerfielder who hits a ton and gives the line-up balance is not a good way to start. As usual, when they need to move forward they are, at best, moving sideways.
So frustrating.
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Non Tenders
Yesterday was actually a big day as many players were non tendered contracts. I believe the Phillies and other teams were waiting to see what additional players would become available. One player that peaks my interest is Dallas McPherson. I haven’t really followed the Angels that much the last few years. Does anyone have insight on McPherson because there was a time he was a hot prospect? He might look good at 3B here.
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McPherson is now 27, missed all of 2007 with back surgery, and has had injury problems, mostly back related, for the last 3+ seasons. He’s struggled to get on base in the majors, with a sub .300 OB%, but has shown good power.
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By the way, I made the Ed Wade comment BEFORE I found out that, yet again, he’d been bamboozled. Wade trades for Tejada and, the very next day, finds out he’s probably a steroid user. Excuse me, but, how perfect was all that. Mr. Buy High, Sell Low, back at work for the Astros. As far as making more trades with the Astros while Wade is at the helm, the Phils take on this should be as follows “Y’all come back real soon.”
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On a more serious note, MacPherson may be a good gamble if, like Werth, he is generally healthy and is playing his way back into shape. If so, there’s very little downside with a huge upside. I mean really, given the situation at third, what have we got to lose?
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A deal for Bedard or Heran would probably take 5 players, Kendrick, Vic, Carasco, Cardenas, and someone else. I would do it if we could get in return a #1-2 guy. They can still restock through the draft next June. They would have Bedard/ Heran, Hamels, Meyers, Moyer, and the 5th person that they have been looking for (Benson, Blackley, Colon, Prior, ???) Remember you need a strong 1-2-3 and then 4-5 to support not.
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Madson, Kendrick, Carasco, Outman, Cardenas.
To me this is a significant package, but I guess we always overrate the players we follow.
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Here’s my “spin” on Aaron Rowand.
And today in history, my teacher held up the Daily News with Rowand’s face on the cover, and he said, “Ladies, and Gentlemen, the biggest sellout in sports. Even though I would have taken the same deal.”
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Nice discussion going on in this thread. The only change that I would make would be: “Let’s hope the owners don’t take the cheap route so Gillick can sign 6 quality prospects to help give the system a boost.” Not the other way around.
But I think we both know we are dreaming until we get owners that understand that it makes a lot more sense to go over slot to take extremely talented prospects and develop them instead of giving average players like Aaron Rowand 60 million dollars.
Of course the best solution would be to assign a monetary value to every pick in the draft which CAN NOT be broken (like the NBA) which would completely level the playing field.
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I am not sure if you can call Aaron Rowand a seel out. He stated from the beginning that he wanted a 5 year deal for security for him and his family, you have to respect that. Of course when he mentions his new team and World Series in the same breathe he is out of his mind! Setting a slot cap would be a great idea, it would help bring equality to the league that does not have a salary cap, which handicaps some markets.
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uhhh, yeah SELL Out, not seel
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I was wondering if the other alternative to setting a slot cap might be having a rookie allocation sort of like the NFL does. It could be adjusted to reflect how many picks a team has and in what rounds, but the basic idea would be that you could go over slot to sign some players, but then you wouldn’t quite be able to sign everyone you drafted. (For example, when the Eagles ran out of money to sign Raheem Brock back in 2002).
The ironic thing is that the way the Phillies draft now (e.g. signing Tyler Mach under slot to “finance” the above slot signing of Julian Sampson) would become the new m.o. under such a system.
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The thing is, if they went to a hard cap, it would greatly increase the number of kids going to college. That might be a good thing, but it would make the draft a lot less interesting. If you set the bonus for the #1 overall pick at, say, $4.75M, and you get down to the $200,000 mark in the 3rd round, no elite high school talent is going to sign for that. If the slotting system like that were in place for the 2007 draft, Rick Porcello would be at UNC right now, not in Detroit’s farm system.
I think the best solution right now is to allow teams to trade picks. If the Pirates were able to trade their #4 pick from 2007, they might have traded down to the middle of the first round, gotten a player in the deal, and then could have taken someone equivalent to Daniel Moskos, whom they greatly overdrafted at #4.
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But why should the 3rd round be as low as $200K?
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Well how would you structure it? There’s no real realistic option.
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Could MLB impose a limit to the number of over slot signings? This seems as the only fair way to limit the spending without scaring off the talent. I do not like the idea of trading picks because of the amount of picks in baeball and the number of rounds there would have to be a limit or the Yankees would just trade up every year and cheaper teams may shy away from higher picks so they don’t have to spend the money.
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