Box Score Recap – 8/13/2013

Box Score Recap

A good result from Jesse Biddle, after one questionable and three bad results his prior four times out. He struck out nine in six innings, and though he needed 109 pitches to get through six, around 2/3 went for strikes. Hopefully that’s a turning point for him. XBH for Franco and Dugan, two doubles for Valle and two triples for Collier. Cam Perkins went deep for CLR in the nightcap, where Mark Leiter Jr. pitched well in his first pro start. Probably an org arm, there. Wilmer Oberto was 4-4, and Jose Pujols had what’s sure to be his first of, I don’t know, let’s say “several” professional triples.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130813

8-13-13 boxscores

83 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/13/2013”

  1. I’m starting to get really excited about the three big prospects we have down in the GCL in Crawford, Sandberg and Pujols. All of these guys have been really looking good as of late. I’m probably thinking Sandberg and Pujols spend most of the year in Williamsport next season but it would be nice to have them in Lakewood for the first couple of weeks just to see how they do.

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    1. I know Pujols gets more press (at least around here) but Deivi Grullon was ranked higher on BAs international free agent list and got a bit more money to sign last year. He should definitely be included on any “big prospect” list for our GCL squad.

      But I do agree, that team has a lot of guys worth watching. Who knows, maybe by 2018, we’ll have something worth watching in Philly 😉

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      1. Agree on Grullon. He’s done well. Those are 4 solid talents in GCL. Crawford is the only one who is a lock for Lakewood.

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        1. Lakewood will be fun to watch, especially if Tocci repeats (as he should):

          CF Tocci
          LF H. Rodriguez
          SS Crawford
          3B Green
          RF Cozens
          C Lino
          2B Pullin
          1B Trey Williams

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            3. Really? A 19 year old 7th rounder in his first year is a non-prospect in your eyes? Tough crowd. I could see Rodriguez a bit, though I think he is still a fringe prospect. Lino seems like less of a prospect than both to me. Took a step back this year after a not particularly good year last year. He still has a chance to put it together, of course, but I’m not particularly optimistic about him.

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            4. Not so much a forever non-prospect as a guy whose offensive production to date hasn’t elevated him to prospect status. Can’t judge much from first partial season prior to instructs, but being taken in round 7 does not make one a prospect. I guess I’m using prospect to designate the guys who have earned their way onto my top 30 list. Williams isn’t close at this point in time. Next August he very well might be, so he isn’t a non-prospect in the same sense that an organizational guy at AA like Murphy is or that a failed first rounder like Hewitt is, but I can’t really label him a prospect today, so I have to more or less agree with ramsey on this one.

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          2. What about Larry Greene? You can’t move him up based on his body of work. We should create an after season develpment guide for each player. What we’d like to see them work on in the offseason. My wish for Greene is to develop a tool… any tool. I don’t care if it’s a hit tool or a power tool, speed, fielding or throwing. If he hits 20 HRs next year but bats .210, I’ll take it.

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            1. Right – I think Trey Williams to Williamsport next year and LGJ repeating Lakewood. Andrew Knapp has to be in that Lakewood group as well

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            2. I think some are expecting Knapp to Clearwater as he was a college.pick with pretty good hitting reports

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            5. Catching in the system next year, barring any significant injuries / changes in the offseason will be as follows:
              AAA – Valle
              AA – MiL FA
              A+ – Knapp, with a push to AA at midseason
              A- – Lino, with a push to A+ at midseason, and Grullon for full season

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            7. I was hoping Rupp and Kratz would share catching duties in Philly next season but after listening to Rube’s comments, it looks like we will either sign Ruiz or Mccann or make a trade. The least offensive of those options would probably be to resign Ruiz to a 1 or 2 year deal if he’ll take that.

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            8. Disfriggin guy — nothing wrong giving Rupp a half or even a full season of AAA. He is still a prospect and is likely not helped by starting the year as the MLB backup. That might end up being his ceiling, but too soon to rule out better than that.

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            9. The first requirement for Larry Greene this winter is to stick to a physical regimen and diet that returns him to ST in optimum shape to begin ST in the best position to develop his baseball skills, rather than repeating the past two years where he lost baseball time to needing to get in shape. THis would be a huge advantage. Check vision/get contacts if need be to have maximum chance to recognize pitches early. If he has access to decent pitching to bat against, work on pitch recognition skill. He should be in FIL.

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            10. I think the Phillies move Greene to CLW. THe FSL is a little better HR league than SAL and he is a southern kid, so get him back in the heat. Primarily, he just isn’t that good a prospect at the moment to allow him to create a logjam by repeating Lakewood. Until he turns things around, treat him as an organizational player, but one who might return to prospect status. Don’t see him as a tradeoff with Williams at 1B, since he needs to try to stay in OF to retain any value at all. Can’t see him taking Lakewood AB from Cozens or Rodriguez, who need to play all the time, not split time with Greene.

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            3. What I appreciate about some of the regular posters is when their opinion may be adverse to another’s and they provide relevant substantiation that is constructive. Rather we have posters like Christopher who comment and say “0%” without offering his basis for this opinion and it comes off as just snarky and sarcastic and really just unproductive and not what this site is intended for. Thank you Mike Honcho and others who follow this guideline.

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            4. His K rate has been talked about a lot and I’ve thought I’ve seen George around here on this board enough that he’s seen those discussions before.. I think some of the regular posters get tired of repeating the same reasons why X prospect, though on the surface has good numbers, has some red flags that need to be corrected before expectations start to sky rocket. His numbers are good but they’re not double jump to Clearwater good. Especially with some defensive questions. Jumping him to Clearwater to get his first taste of full season ball would be setting him up for failure.

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            5. Look at power numbers. Nobody can match in such a short season. Leads league in runs,doubles, home runs, slugging, and total bases. Are you one of those fans who want power but not many strikeouts ?? Good luck with that. Maybe Cabrera with the tigers is the only guy who can do that

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            6. The problem is that his swing has been said to have some holes and he’s already striking out a ton in the low minors. 30% K is terrible in the majors what do you think it is in the low minors? There are less than 10 qualified players with that high of K rate this year in the majors.

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            7. And honestly I don’t hate the guy. I’m not sure if he’s in my top 10 but he’s certainly in the conversation. But he has his flaws and he won’t be a top prospect for the Phils until he cuts down on the K’s.

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        1. I think Pujols gets more love because he makes his bones with the bat. Grullon has positional value on his side (and is far more likely to be a big league player because of it).

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          1. Whats the consensus on the placement of Lino, Sweaney, Grullon, Knapp? Is it
            Clearwater- Knapp starts
            Lakewood- Lino starts
            Williamsport- Grullon starts
            GCL- Sweaney plays most of the innings?

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            1. Probably depends on instructs and everything. It’s possible that Lino gets lost in the shuffle if they like Grullon better because Lino hasn’t shown a whole lot and is kinda going backwards.

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            4. Sweaney’s placement will depend more on what he shows in instructs and spring training, more than his BA in the GGC.

              Lehigh : C Rupp – age 25
              Reading: S Valle – 23 at the start of season
              Clearwater: A Knapp – 2nd round collegian.
              Lakewood: G Lino – age 21
              Williamsport: Grullon, 18 and Sweaney 19, with Sweaney getting ABs at DH and OF.

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  2. How about a shout out to the GCL Phillies for being in 1st place? Unfortunately, they still have a losing record.

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      1. will you get off it already. Every time someone mentions Dugan you have a remark. Pick on another player.

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        1. Message boards are for remarks. Ignore mine if they are bothersome. I ignore a handful of comments daily.

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  5. Zach Green wins home run derby at all start game ! What else can this kid do. Top 10 prospect for sure. Let’s all make sure this kid gets his due. Move guys like guellar out of top 20

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      1. Just findi players who are in top 20 keeping z green a stud from being listed. Feel free to subtract any that you like. Just used guellar as an easy example

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  6. I know his performance was horrible, but what ultimately happened to Tyler Greene? Like is he out of baseball completely, injured, or simply getting no playing time>

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      1. Steve, you say he retired? This was his decision, not based on being cut? I’ve not heard it stated like you just did.

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        1. brad – on April 18th he was assigned to extended spring training from Lakewood. A few days later he packed it in and though I don’t recall the specific source I do recall use of the word ‘retired’ in the article I read. I spent about 10 minutes right now but couldn’t find a link. Perhaps someone here can confirm that he did in fact decide not to pursue a baseball career

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            3. He did seem a bit over-matched but it was still quite abrupt for him to walk away so early into his pro career.

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    2. Remember Willans Astudillo from last year? .318/327/419, 3%K rate.
      Just as Kramer dominated his ‘dojo’, Wilmer and Herlis dominate the GCL.

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          1. As I noted above, he’s old, but since he’s killing the ball with power it’s at least worth a look. Unless you think there’s a block at Lakewood for 1B.

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            1. I am all for giving prospects who are doing well the opportunity for advancement.
              But I have learned long ago to temper my enthusiasm. I use to get giddy with guys with great numbers in A or rookie, but somewhere along the line, it levels out.

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            2. Oh certainly, I think your spot on there. It’s not worth flipping tables over and proclaiming him a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. It is, however, very productive and since he’s not repeating the GCL I think it’s highly worth pushing him to see how far he really goes since he’s an older prospect.

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  8. ICYMI – Mitch Rupert reporting on Twitter that Gabriel Lino and Jiandido Tromp are up to Lakewood, Chad Carman and Gustavo Gonzalez are down to WIL, and Herlis Rodriguez is up to WIL.

    Lino OPSed .677 in ~165 PAs, with a BB Rate around 6% and a K Rate around 28%. He hit 4HR an 6 doubles in his time there, with a reverse platoon split in a fairly small sample. His BABIP was in the .360 range, after being closer to .300 last year, and he was plaing at a lower level than last year. Seems like the O’s did him a disservice starting him in A+ last year, when his natural progression would have taken him to short season again.

    Tromp was moved up after ~115 PAs at a .783 OPS, with a walk rate around 7% and a K Rate around 22%. He stole 6 bags in 8 attempts. He spent a couple weeks in WIL last year, so he’s been there for about a full season now. Would be surprised to see him start 2014 anywhere but Lakewood.

    Rodriguez was OPSing around .975 in ~100PAs, with 9 BB and 15K – I’ll let you do the math there…2HR, 7 doubles with a .436 OBP while repeating the GCL. His BABIP sits at .458, so we can guess which direction his stats are bound to go.

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    1. While he does have a high BABIP, Rodriguez’ walk and strikeouts rates are both pretty good and he was hitting a good amount of line drives. He repeated the GCL, but he only had about 100 PAs last year and 100 this year and he’s just a few months older than most of the high school players we just drafted. He’s younger than Trey Williams. So personally I’m not going to knock him much for his age.

      I’d like to see a scouting report on him. When he was in the VSL he was playing CF and hitting leadoff as a 17 year old, so the team probably likes him at least somewhat.

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    2. Nice to see Tromp and Lino moved up to Lakewood. I hope Tromp is able to get some regular ABs, with Pointer still taking up space in the Lakewood OF.

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    1. Good plug and interview. The host of the talk-show seem to paint the picture of doom and gloom for the Phillies future more so then you. In two years if all breaks right with the prospects it could be a lot brighter.

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      1. I do hope it breaks right! I just don’t think it’s gonna happen in two years, but if it does I will be happy to come back and it some tasty crow 🙂 Thanks for listening Romus!

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      1. Yeah, listening to it I am pretty sure that is the take away, speaking may not be my thing. I might have to insert the uhms into my writing to be more consistent.

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        3. Good job, Matt. I don’t post here much, but I read the site every day. It was nice to hear someone talking Phils minor leagues.

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  10. Ruben Doesn’t Think Walks Are Productive: So here is the result.
    ‘Phillies are 19-47 when they draw two or fewer walks and 34-20 when they walk three or more times per game. The most disturbing figure: They walked two or fewer times in 66 of their first 120 games – or more than half of the time. It has only worsened with the team’s moribund play; the Phillies have walked two times per game since the all-star break. The Phillies ranked 17th in baseball in batting average but 25th in runs per game. More walks would mean more men on base, which provides more opportunities to score. They have not embraced that tactic’.

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  11. that is what you call and ugly night down on the farm. Ugghh..time to evaluate the hitting & pitching coaches??

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